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Ultralight Backpacking: The "Why" and the "How"

By JackStraw in Meta
Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 05:37:25 PM EST
Tags: backpacking, ultralight, hiking, nature, howto (all tags)

Are you out-of-shape? Neurotic? Feel like society has cornered you into a prescribed job where you cannot express your creativity? Welcome to K5.

Do you desire to rid yourself of it all, move back to a more simple, pure existence, at least for a few days?

Do you want a vacation that you can't find on TripAdvisor?

Do you know that the answer is wilderness backpacking, but don't want the pain and expense that comes along with it? Or, do you love efficiency and the idea of streamlining your material existence? Then, I give here the experience of 6+ years of painful experimentation, hoping that you can build upon my learnings.

This story is about ultralight backpacking: exploring the wilderness with an extreme minimum of equipment.


The Status Quo

What is backpacking? I'm not talking here about traveling Europe, taking busses from hostel to hostel (although, I'm sure that's a fun thing to do). I refer to wilderness backpacking... finding a way to condense all of your material necessities into one bag, strap it to your back, and head out self-sustained into the wilderness. Typically, you'll spend between several days to a couple of weeks walking a trail, sleeping in a tent, and every few days you would resupply at a town along the trail (which might be the Appalachian Trail, the Pacific Crest Trail , or any number of others). Along the way, you'll sleep in the woods; you'll drink water from natural springs; you'll exist in the moment and experience a primordial, ascetic, wholly simple and uncompromising lifestyle.

Sound good? Here's the catch, and here's the problem that this article purports to solve: You'll walk 15 miles per day. The pack on your back will weigh 50, 60, even 70 pounds. Worse yet, it is strapped to your hips so that you walk like a drunk arthritic gorilla. Your joints hurt, your shoulders burn from the pressure of the straps... you stare at the ground as you labor under the weight of your belongings. Plus, you spent two weeks salary on the damned equipment. I will resist drawing parallels to our contemporary lifestyles, and tell you:

There's a better way.

Ultralight Wilderness Backpacking
You saunter along wilderness trails; head-up, light of breath and foot, humming sweet melodies. Life is good. Occasionally, a sparrow chirps, and you smile. Aaah. You're not sweating; you feel no pain. You walk 25-30 miles each day, but what of it? The human body was designed for traveling the wilderness, and you've harnessed its power. Your backpack weighs just 15 pounds. Your movements are unhindered by straps or heavy boots. You wake by the sun and you sleep by the stars.

Occasionally, strange frantic people pass you on the trail, laboring under Herculean loads and chanting obscenities--you smile knowingly. These are the well-meaning but misguided "traditional" backpackers, shouldering the weight of the preposterous equipment that "experts" (high schoolers) advised them to buy (on commission) at the local Sports Authority. Several minutes later, you tend to pass these misguided souls; they are usually panting, sweating, frowning, leaning against stumps.

You know better than them. If they'd ask how you do so well with so little (they rarely do), you would tell them:

"The Answer Begs the Question."
Your zen cannot be accomplished by piecemeal changes--it requires holistic, all-encompassing change.

If those sorry souls wore your running shoes, their ankles would snap under the pressure. If they loosened their hip-belts, their shoulders would ache with contempt. No, the change must be holistic; it must be a philosophy of existence, not a bag of tricks from which to pick and choose.

This is the essence of ultralight backpacking. How can an ultralight backpacker trek 30 miles per day with 15 pounds of equipment (costing perhaps $200 in all), while a highly trained traditional backpacker, having spent thousands of dollars, barely manage with 70 pounds, and thousands of dollars, of gear, to go 15 miles?

Here's the key: Assume your pack is only 15 pounds. Assume that you will walk 30 miles per day. Assume that your backpacking life will be simple, optimized, and elegant. If this was so, how little could you make due with? Will it all work out?

Below is what I've found to be the answer. I owe a great debt of gratitude to Ray Jardine and his book, Beyond Backpacking

The Ultralight Toolbox

This is an illustration comparing a typical, traditional solution, with my favorite ultralight solutions; you can and should take the surprisingly fulfilling journey of finding what works for you.

  • Tent
         
    • The Status Quo 6 lbs
      A fully enclosed tent with frame, medium-duty, and optimized for backpacking. Still, these tents are surrounded by zippers and multi-layer windows. On hot nights, these tents are stifling; on cold ones, they become damp with condensed moisture.
         
    • Ultralight 2 lbs
          Usually, a simple tarp suspended between two trees with no frame, and made of rip-stop silicon-impregnated nylon. A ground-cover protects from dirt and moisture from below. The tarp exists only to block rain, so that air flow freely. On clear nights, it is not even erected. Backpacking Hammocks are similar in weight, obviate the need for soft flat ground, and are my personal favorite shelter solution.
         
  • Backpack

         
    • The Status Quo 8-12 pounds
          These expensive monstrosities have hip-belts, adjustment straps, numerous pockets (with zippers), padding along the hiker's back, and are constructed of heavy-weight fabrics.
         
    • Ultralight 12 ounces
          With 15 pounds of weight, who needs a hip belt? The hiker's hips can swivel unhindered. Because of the small packweight, no frame is needed, and the fabric can be of lightweight ripstop nylon. Padding is provided by a curled-up sleeping pad (below). The importance of un-hindered hip movement cannot be understated--it is essential to efficient walking, and one of the reasons that ultralight packers can walk so far, so comfortably.
         
  • Sleeping Bag

         
    • The Status Quo 6 pounds
          A traditional sleeping bag, 2-3 inches thick, and even surrounding the hiker's head. Usually accompanied by a 2 pound full-length inflatable sleeping pad.
         
    • Ultralight 2 pounds
          These bags employ an important realization: the bottom of a sleeping bag is worthless. The thickness of a sleeping bag is what inhibits heat conduction, and the bottom of a sleeping bag is squished into nothing by our body weight. Ultralight bags are just quilts (i.e., they only cover the top half of the hiker), with thin "skirts" to inhibit convection.
          Further, they're thinner (1/2 the thickness, since the user wears all of their clothing while sleeping, and has natural body-heat from walking such a distance), and do not cover the head (that's what hats are for).
          Finally, the sleeping pad is a lightweight closed-cell foam pad, trimmed to fit the bodyshape of the hiker, and cut to 2/3 length. (Spare equipment is placed under the feet to provide insulation for the lower 1/3.)
         
  • Shoes

         
    • The Status Quo 4 lbs
          Most hikers wear "heavy-weight, waterproof hiking boots".  Heavy-weight is bad enough, but the "water-proofing" is just self-defeating; because these shoes have so little ventilation, perspiration produces enough moisture to cause foot blisters even in dry weather.
         
    • Ultralight    1 lb, very lightweight tennis shoes
          The human foot was designed to travel cross-country--so, why handicap it with heavy boots? Ultralight hikers wear extremely light running shoes which provide excellent ventilation. In wet weather, tennis shoes get wet (as do "waterproof boots", after an hour or so")... however, tennis shoes dry out quickly. Without a 70 pound backpack, hikers don't have to worry about having strong, restrictive boots to protect their ankles.
          Furthermore, an army study (not cited, unless someone cares) found that 1 pound of footwear causes as much fatigue as 5 pounds on the back--this is one of the biggest reasons to go ultralight.
         
  • Food

         
    • The Status Quo 10 pounds
          Typically, backpackers carry enough food for about 5 days.
         
    • Ultralight 7 pounds,   
          When traveling twice as far per day, ultralighters can carry half the food as traditional backpackers. This weight savings is somewhat offset by carrying better food, since food plays such an important part in a hiker's psychological well-being.
         
  • Water

         
    • The Status Quo 13 pounds
          4 Liters/day, with a lightweight camelback and nalgene containers, plus a filtration system, comes out to about 13 pounds on their back.
         
    • Ultralight 5 pounds
          Ultralighters often drink no caffeine. Without its diuretic effects, they can store huge quantities of water in their bodies. Further, because of their speed they encounter water sources more often. Finally, they tend to use iodine tablets in clean water sources, instead of filters, further eliminating weight.
         
  • Clothes

         
    • The Status Quo 4 lbs
          Most backpackers bring an extra change of clothes, including a lightweight jacket for cold nights.
         
    • Ultralight 2 lbs
          Ultralighters wear an "aviator hat" with compressible insulation that covers their head, neck, and cheeks. Their vest, likewise, is filled with lightweight compressible insulation (down or, better, synthetic insulation), and their single set of clothes are thin, synthetic, and easy to clean.
         
  • Rain Gear

         
    • The Status Quo 4 lbs
          A full "waterproof-breathable" rainsuit, which tends to be stuffy and humid in wet weather.
         
    • Ultralight 2 lbs
          Rain is miserable; ultralighters tend to use umbrellas and baseball caps to combat it, and to remain in their quick-drying hiking clothes (which get effectively washed with every rain). This solution is lighter than a raincoat--it is also far more pleasant. In cold weather, lightweight waterproof-breathable Frogg Toggs to keep the moisture out, and double as insulation on cold nights.
         
  • Cooking

         
    • The Status Quo 4 lbs
          A $100 Whisperlite stove, three pans, and a suite of metal utenstils: that's the norm. Much weight, expense, and effort goes into cooking. It's not needed.
         
    • Ultralight 2 lb
          Some ultralighters use Whisperlite stoves. But, most use either homemade alcohol stoves (cheap) or solid fuel Esbit stoves (the lightest and most reliable). And, come on, you only need one (very lightweight) pot, with Lexan (strong plastic) utensils. Interestingly, although cooking is a heavy and time-consuming endeavor, most ultralighters agree: it's very necessary for motivation and happiness on the trail. We go out of our way to make delicious, nutritive meals, even if it adds a few ounces.
         
  • Accessories

         
    • The Status Quo 3 lbs
          Cameras, medical supplies, writing tools, toenail clippers, the list goes on and on. It's especially easy to get caught in this trap.
         
    • Ultralight 1 lb, cleanly organized
          Ultralighters might carry a simple camera, maybe a 2 oz radio, and 3 ft of duct tape wrapped on a BIC pen. Generally, journals are kept on back of maps (which, besides, carries much more nostalgic value than a notebook!).Also, a 1 oz ultralight headlamp with lithium ion batteries, which are rarely replaced (since we live by the sun).
         
  • Best Practices

          Just as ultralight hikers limit our weight to leverage our in-born ability to travel, we also design our daily routines to fit with what is natural.

      An ultralight backpacker wakes to the chirp of his (lightweight) wristwatch several minutes before dawn. He takes down camp and packs his bags in anticipation of the order in which he'll need each item.

      Morning is cold and bitter, but we immediately start walking. After perhaps 3 miles, we sit down for breakfast. After breakfast, we walk around 10 miles, and eat lunch. Of course, we stop whenever the spirit moves us; walking is easy, but the journey is the key, not the destination. It is common to rest for five minutes for each mile traveled. After lunch, another 10 miles, and then dinner. Leaving the smells of our cooking behind, we walk another three miles before sleeping (then, the bears and rodents will not smell our food, and we needn't hoist it to the trees).

      By the time we reach camp, 25 to 30 miles from our start, we're ready for bed as the sun goes down. We scarcely need our flashlights, and wake ready for another day of trekking.


Conclusion
    Well, that was a long explanation--but I feel it's an important subject. Backpacking is a way to revert to our simple, primordial existence--if only for days or weeks. The ultralight philosophy draws on the innate abilities of our bodies, instead of inhibiting them with unnecessary equipment. And, god damn, it's fun, motivating, and exhilarating. I encourage anybody on this site, who's interested in ultralight backpacking, to contact me.

I want to say this in no uncertain terms: I have put unbelievable amounts of thought and effort into many aspects of ultralight backpacking, and if anyone is interested, I would love to write stories detailing each of them.

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Ultralight Backpacking: The "Why" and the "How" | 91 comments (78 topical, 13 editorial, 0 hidden)
the lightest load of all: (3.00 / 12) (#1)
by Jobst of Moravia on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:45:48 AM EST

dying alone

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shoes (3.00 / 3) (#4)
by j1mmy on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 07:54:18 AM EST

these are great for any sort of outdooring

trhurler comment $ (2.50 / 6) (#6)
by Nimey on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 09:32:45 AM EST


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Never mind, it was just the dog cumming -- jandev
You Sir, are an Ignorant Motherfucker. -- Crawford
I am arguably too manic to do that. -- Crawford
I already fuck my mother -- trane
Nimey is right -- Blastard
i am in complete agreement with Nimey -- i am a pretty big deal

Mosquito net (3.00 / 6) (#8)
by Nimey on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 09:43:08 AM EST

Your ultralight tent is great if there are no biting, stinging, or disease-carrying insects at all in your area.  You should at least include a mosquito net in your "tent" arrangement.

Also, s/Frogg Toggs/Ogg Frog/.

Interesting article, though. +1FP.
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Never mind, it was just the dog cumming -- jandev
You Sir, are an Ignorant Motherfucker. -- Crawford
I am arguably too manic to do that. -- Crawford
I already fuck my mother -- trane
Nimey is right -- Blastard
i am in complete agreement with Nimey -- i am a pretty big deal

Protips (3.00 / 6) (#12)
by GhostOfTiber on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 02:24:41 PM EST

I hunt, therefor I camp.

First Aid - Forgoing the first aid kit will result in death. The correct first aid kit is the smallest one you can find plus a snakebite kit. If you're going to suggest the tape, then be sure it's the ultra sticky stuff, which makes it easy to remove splinters and ticks. The kit should have one roll of gauze and one razor.
Meals - Canned goods are awesome. Build a fire. Open can. Put can in fire. You win. If you can get a metal spork and your buck knife, that's all you need for meals. If you want to lighten the load even more, get the condensed soups. It's less space in your pack but you will need a mug for it of the correct size. Make sure you boil them thoroughly if you're using natural water also. Your fire kit is kerosene in a small bottle (CLEARLY LABELED) and a striker. Your striker can either be a self contained one or a piece of flint to smash against your buck knife. Spray the kerosene on the kindling, don't treat it like a charcoal grill.
Shoes - Military surplus. But, I think you missed the point. The padding on the heavy "waterproof" boots exists because people don't make comfortable choices. Then they've got huge gaps between their legs and the boots or they buy the wrong size or they buy huge boots. It ultimately boils down to you deciding how much ankle support you need or want. Since I need to drag 120lbs of dead animal out of the woods, I wear army boots with steel support and really tight lacing of the legging. Big padded boots are wrong - you either need low cut hiking "shoes" which are a boon, or you need military boots. Both of them should be configured when wet - wear them into the shower and lace them up as tight as you can while they're soaked and then sleep in them. Not pleasant, but they'll be the most comfortable things you'll ever hike in again. Once they dry out, put a layer of polish on them for leather military boots. It doesn't have to shine, but it's the polish, not the boot, that keeps the water out.
water - camelbak + gatoraid or in a pinch use salt. The idea that skipping caffeine is going to somehow magically help you use less water is silly. Your water isn't caffeinated anyway unless you're drinking bawls, so it's out of your system in the first day. You would be much better off carrying either electrolyte powder (gatoraid, whatever), avoiding "low sodium" soup (salt is good for you), and carrying water purification tablets. Boil water at night when you're done eating your dinner in a can (you can re-use the can) and leave it out when you sleep to cool down and you won't even need the purification tablets.
Odds and ends - Mirror (first aid item), LED flashlight, shoelaces, chapstick.

Anyway, +1 from me.

[Nimey's] wife's ass is my cocksheath. - undermyne

I prefer the primordial caveman experience. (2.33 / 3) (#18)
by Pentashagon on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 03:55:21 PM EST

Basements work.

Basements with computers in them work so much better.

This is a well-written article (2.35 / 14) (#22)
by debillitatus on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:29:52 AM EST

but unfortunately about an extremely stupid subject.

First of all, you're trying to convince me that people are actually choosing to walk around the woods and eat some shit from a can.  Now, I don't doubt that there are people doing this in Uzbekistan or Tanzania or some other dirtbag country where people cannot afford three hots and a flop, but I refuse to believe that any human being would willfully go through all of this bullshit.

Second, it's impossible anyway.  Everyone who has ever gone into the woods in the manner you suggested has, without exception, died by:

  • heart attack, or
  • being eaten by bears.

I defy you to prove that statement wrong.

You're coming up with some crazy solution to a problem which really doesn't exist.   In short, you're telling me that if you wanted to do this particular impossible crazy thing which would guarantee a horrible death, then you have a program for doing so with less weight on your back before you die said horrible death.  Decent sci-fi/fantasy concept, but way too theoretical.

Maybe your next article should be about lower-energy solutions to powering rockets with which you can launch yourself directly into the Sun?

Damn you and your daily doubles, you brigand!

mandatory trhurler link (2.85 / 7) (#23)
by nostalgiphile on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 07:37:26 AM EST

also sprach the Archive

+1fp, very cool article.

"Depending on your perspective you are an optimist or a pessimist[,] and a hopeless one too." --trhurler

Coolmax and similar fabrics, whack or crack? (none / 0) (#25)
by MotorMachineMercenary on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 07:47:17 AM EST

I sweat quite a bit and have been considering getting a bunch of Coolmax t-shirts. Are they actually any better than cotton t-shirts? Any differences in the fabrics?

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It's hard to be humble when even Mr Bigballs rates me as #1 Kuro5hit.


Your vote (0) was recorded. (2.75 / 4) (#29)
by gr3y on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 10:10:38 AM EST

You violated Rule 12: There is no "we".

The people who no doubt participate in such activities do so for diverse reasons, and have strategies as various as their personalities.

Also, you make too many assertions for which you advance no evidence. Really. "The human foot was designed"? Maybe to some brain-dead advocate of Intelligent Design. A modern combat boot weighs 2 to 2-1/2 pounds. A modern running shoe: a little less than one pound. You sacrificed ankle support, and exposed yourself to greatly increased risk of injury, to save two pounds weight, roughly the weight of a few days' stool, which will definitely be accompanying you on your Ultralight Backpacking Experience.

And you advocate some practices that are, in fact, dangerous. Like most "back to nature" enthusiasts, your perspective is one of extreme naivete, and applies only to areas of temperate climate with well-traveled trails and few man-killers.

I would have voted you down, but I am a fan of doing more with less. Most people huff lifestyle gear they don't need when they backpack.

I am a disruptive technology.

It'll work with predictable conditions (3.00 / 3) (#42)
by izogi on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:56:49 PM EST

Thanks for the article.  My usual kit for a weekend is on the order of 14-15 kg plus water.  (That's about 31-33 lbs, I think, according to Google.)   It seems like an interesting thing to do and I use lighter gear when I can, but I also have mixed feelings about sacrificing potential safety items to save weight.  It seems like the sort of thing that you'd really want to get right and that if you don't, you could be in a lot of trouble.

There are some things that you can definitely leave behind. It's not necessary to take a plate if you can just eat straight out of your cooking pot, and I know several people who use the same dish again for drinking coffee.  With other things I'm much less certain.

Unless I knew that I was going somewhere very tame, I wouldn't ever ditch my boots for a pair of running shoes.  Boots are better protection and far more stable in many situations, including things like wading through rivers (which I do a lot of).  They'll also stand up to a lot more where running shoes will potentially wear out at a bad moment.

I usually wear shorts with a long-cut raincoat if necessary, even when its raining a lot, and I almost never wear overtrousers since they'll just get wet.  I pack them though, because I've found they're essential in strong winds.  I'll definitely pack them if I'm going near high altitudes.  I also don't think I'd want to leave behind a first aid kit or warmer gear like a complete sleeping bag.  Packing a radio (I presume you mean 2-way) is okay if you can rely on someone to receive your signal and quickly getting there to help you, but that might also be very dependent on the weather.

Some things can be constructed lighter but it's just hard to get them.  eg. I really want a simple, single-compartment single-access pack, but all the major brands these days only make packs that have pockets all over them, extra access points for the same pockets with excessive zippers, and things unnecessarily hanging off them designed to look as if someone might want to tie stuff to one day.  These extras can make a feature list look more impressive to a buyer, but they'll also add 50% to the weight of a pack for not much advantage.  Having an adjustable harness mechanism is also just another luxury gizmo  for the manufacturer's benefit which adds weight for the user. Personally I'll never use it at more than one setting, so if they'd just make it the correct size for me in the first place it'd be far better.

Also, if I could easily get decent boots that weren't waterproof, I would. A waterproof seal is meaningless when water's likely to flow over the top, and some of the techniques used for "waterproofing" have the opposite effect once something actually gets wet.  eg. Gore-Tex is marketed as being extremely breathable, but it doesn't breathe at all once it's wet, meaning that an expensive Gore-Tex raincoat isn't much better in the rain than many alternatives. Once saturated, my Gore-Tex lined boots will easily take a week to dry whereas the water just runs out of simple leather boots and they'll often dry overnight.  What's important for boots is to make sure the leather stays properly treated between trips, so the moisture that gets to it doesn't wear it down too quickly.

A lot of it probably depends on what conditions you're expecting and how predictable they are. If they're predictable then going without certain things will work well. There's a guy in New Zealand who's worked quite a lot on figuring out the best products for ultralight backpacking (although it's probably biased towards NZ conditions).

- izogi


Arrgh (3.00 / 7) (#44)
by garote on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 04:00:37 AM EST

I'm a backpacking n00b, but it seems to me that if I was to follow these "recommendations", I would be exposing myself to serious safety hazards.

You actually sleep in the wilderness, on the forest floor, on a thin pad and a blanket?  Just how often have bugs crept in beneath the hem, attracted to the warmth of your body?  How often have they been the infectious kind?  Do you get scorpions in your neck of the woods?  I do.

If you're trimming a pad to fit your body shape, I assume you do not move AT ALL when you sleep.  That's got to make for a sore next day of walking.  I tend to move like a rotisserie, and alternate which knee I bend, so my back is always comfortable.  I would never, ever give up that freedom of movement, especially just to save a couple of pounds of weight.

A single set of thin clothes?  And you actually hike more than a single day out from your car?  When you get scuffed by a dried branch the wrong way and get a huge gash in your thin shirt, do you turn around and walk home, because you deemed your sewing kit to be too heavy?  One needle and a wad of thread isn't exactly a backbreaker (old sayings about camels notwithstanding).

I feel the same about a good pair of sunglasses.  I observe that they are not in your equipment list.  That's kind of silly.  They offer a lot of protection for almost no weight.

I'm ambivalent about shoes.  When I go bouldering I prefer a pair of tennis shoes, because I need the ankle flexibility and the better surface adhesion they offer.  But in a real hiking/exploring situation, I needs me some hiking boots.  The high-top design is not to support my ankle, it's to protect it and the rest of my foot, from sharp low-lying shrubbery and jagged rocks.  All you need to do is slip on the edge of a rock once and have it LACERATE your ankle on the way down, and it's a lesson learned.  A sock will not protect you, but even a thin army boot will.  But, I suppose, if all you do is waltz along the forest floor from dawn to dusk, through wide glens and short grass, then you're fine.

I guess there's something I just fundamentally don't understand about the idea of "ultra-light" backpacking.  If I'm carrying more, the biggest consequence is that I cover less ground, ... if I cover half the distance but in twice the comfort and five times the safety, without changing my mode of transport, what have I lost?  You yourself say, "the journey is the key, not the destination".  If I feel like carrying an iPod Nano and listening to spoken-word poetry (for example, the works of Robert W Service) as I hike, I am in clear violation of the rules.  But I've made the journey much more engrossing.  For these reasons, I have to conclude that you, sir, are a gearhead.  You've become more interested in refining your GEAR, than in actual travel.

Hey, no problem.  I understand.  You should see how long-winded the debates are among people who pedal bicycles across entire continents.  Every goddamn scrap of material is endlessly argued over, in forums just like this one, by people sitting at home typing on computers (and conspicuously NOT outside pedaling their bikes).  Welcome to the club.

oh i get it (2.60 / 5) (#54)
by circletimessquare on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 11:24:20 AM EST

you want to get all of us alone in the wilderness

then kill us like you got trhulrer

nice try


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

this is normal where I am in Australia (none / 1) (#55)
by danny on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 07:05:43 PM EST

At least around Sydney, most bushwalkers would carry around 12kg (~25 pounds) on an overnight walk, and my usual pack for a weekend trip is around 8kg (if I don't take camera gear).  For a week-long trip in the Australian Alps (with potential weather risk) I might reach 15kg.

I wouldn't even attempt a trip where I had to carry more than 20kg any distance!

I should add more equipment notes to my bushwalking pages.

Danny.

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um (none / 1) (#56)
by livus on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 07:20:40 PM EST

Oh my God. I'm back. I'm home. All the time, it was... We finally really did it.
[screaming]
You Maniacs! You voted it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!

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Not my style (3.00 / 3) (#60)
by scart on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 11:46:59 AM EST

I was a member of a hiking club for about two and a half years, during which I went on a two or three day hike once every four to six weeks. My experiance ranged from trails in commercial forests, through shrubland to desert conditions in mid-summer. I can only assume that you are only hiking during mild weather, on easy trails. Much of what you describe is simply inappropiate for general use.

I saw quite a few people who tried using tennis or jogging shoes for their first hike, but they all changed to hiking boots by their second hike. Desert sand will get into shoes, leading to severe discomfort and blisters. Deep mud wil suck shoes of your feet. Dry vegetation will cut your ankles. Crossing a river that is too deep for you to see the bottom can lead to twisted feet and cut ankles. Walking on any kind of slope will deform a tennis shoe, leading to strain on your ankles, and on a downhill slope your toes get pushed painfully against the front of the shoe. During cold, rainy weather tennis shoes provide no protection against heat loss from your feet. All of these problems are avoided by good boots. To me, synthetic boots with one set of thick mohair socks per day are the first items that are packed. My only experiance with leather boots was with cheap Chinese imports, so I can't comment on their effectiveness.

I've done a couple of day hikes with a light shoulder pack, but for all my multi day hikes I used a pack with a light frame, hip, chest, and shoulder straps. I'd rather carry a 30Kg proper pack, than a 10Kg shoulder pack. A shoulder pack raises your center of gravity, all of it's weight is transferred through your shoulders to your back, and I've never been able to strap a shoulder pack down tight enough to prevent it from bouncing. In contrast, a properly packed pack with hip support lowers your center of gravity, leading to greater stability, and  it's weight is carrier by your hips, leading to less pressure on your back. The hip and chest straps also prevent the pack from moving.

To me, starting each day with at least 4 litres of water is mandatory. I've been on a couple of routes where expected water points were dry, so I made the choice of assuming that the only water available on any trail will be at the overnight camps. In addition to the water, I always carried around 1 litre of fruit juice or cola per day, just to treat myself.

Your comment about the bottom of a sleeping bag being unimportant is wrong. If you are sleeping on the ground, then the majority of heat loss will occur to the ground. Even with a pad, you still want as much protection as possible below you. The rest of your sleeping arrangements are quite sensible. I used a 1.2 meter long inflatable pad with a foam core, a 2.5 centimer thick bag, and in cold condition I wore a tracksuit, jacket, wool cap and the next day's socks. Sleeping fully dressed in winter is especially usefull if you have to get up in the middle of the night.

I always took 2 spare sets of shorts and t-shirt, with 1 set of socks and underwear per day. A warm jacket, jeans for protection against vegetation, raincoat(wind-chill will ruin your day), tracksuit, wool cap, gloves, large hat and a pair of sandals rounded out my clothes. On many hikes this was overkill, but I also found each piece very welcome on more than 1 occasion.

Food was very important to me on hikes. After trying various foods I settled on pre-cooked, irradiated meals, with  powdered pudding and canned fruit. Cooking consisted of dropping the sealed foil packet in boiling water, and waiting 5 minutes. On many nights the guys who packed lightly were staring hungrily at my steak and gravy while they were forcing down noodles with soya mince.

I must admit that being capable of easily carrying a 30Kg pack slanted my view towards the 'more is better' view, but I feel that if you are going to spend a few days out in nature, you might as well relax and forget about any time pressure.

What sort of food would you pack for this? (none / 0) (#61)
by Kariik on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 01:54:49 PM EST

I really am curious about what standard fare is, at 7 pounds of good food for 5 days. How is this usually done in regular backpacking, and in ulralight?

Yummy. (none / 1) (#77)
by rusty nail head on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 06:38:09 AM EST

poison ivy in all the right places. Yes, I think this could be fun...

I was going to do a copycat of this story (none / 1) (#79)
by undermyne on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 01:56:12 AM EST

titled "Ultratight Fudgepacking..." but you made it too long and there are only so many Nimey and debillatatus references I could have made.

And I lack dedication.

GhostOfTiber - "I also changed Obama's religion to "nigger" on wikipedia, it doesn
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