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Ender and Hitler: Sympathy for the Superman

By localroger in localroger's Diary
Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 12:00:00 PM EST
Tags: localroger bloviates (all tags)

At long last Elaine Radford has put her infamous essay, mentioned in my own infamous story, online: Right here.

Poll but no further text inside.

EN TEA.

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Ender Wiggin...

Hitler 18%

GWB 0%

Malcolm X 9%

Fluffy Bunny Rabbit 9%

Poor abused kid 22%

ME at that age 18%

What a loser, probably posts here 22%

Votes: 22
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Ender and Hitler: Sympathy for the Superman | 29 comments (29 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

On the Staircase Poll Clarification (none / 1) (#1)
by localroger on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 08:58:09 PM EST

The "ME at that age" entry is intended to mean $POLL-RESPONDENT at that age, not localroger at that age. Although you could always indicate the latter in a WIPO.

I am become Death, Destroyer of Worlds -- J. Robert Oppenheimer

WIPO: Localroger at that age (nt) (none / 1) (#2)
by GhostOfTiber on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 09:07:09 PM EST

[Nimey's] wife's ass is my cocksheath. - undermyne

Thank you Captain Obvious $ by localroger, 03/26/2007 09:08:54 PM EST (1.50 / 2)

Sorry dude ,,,, I have to call Excrito de Toro (none / 1) (#4)
by Basser on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 09:17:32 PM EST

That's a little spanish lingo for you there.

Having read Ender's Game a time or two, and Speaker once, and your original bit about this...

No offense, but your original post about this seemed a little far fetched, but I wanted to read the article you were talkign about. Now that I can read it, it seems like it's stretching a lot. Hitler and Ender both third kids! Both didn't have sex till 37! Case closed!

You could make a long, long list of the differences between the two. I'd buy the fact that
Card might be a bit of a flake and an excentric though...

How much more is necessary? by localroger, 03/26/2007 09:48:01 PM EST (none / 1)

What About The Broad Themes by Why havent I klercked myself, 03/26/2007 10:34:31 PM EST (none / 0)
Well, for me dude...a bit more is necessary by Basser, 03/26/2007 10:58:25 PM EST (3.00 / 2)

wow a girl who's read every book about hitler (none / 1) (#5)
by thankyougustad on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 09:17:43 PM EST

sees outlandish parallels everywhere. Not really surprising.

No no thanks no
Je n'aime que le bourbon
no no thanks no
c'est une affaire de goût.

Well, you know by localroger, 03/26/2007 09:43:37 PM EST (none / 1)

If you say so by thankyougustad, 03/26/2007 09:47:59 PM EST (none / 1)

He got two Nebula awards for this by localroger, 03/26/2007 09:49:26 PM EST (none / 1)

Right by thankyougustad, 03/26/2007 09:57:55 PM EST (none / 1)

IGLDR (3.00 / 2) (#6)
by zombie HollyHopDrive on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 09:29:42 PM EST

^{invoked Godwin's law, didn't read}

[He blew]inside..m..e.. [and verily] corrected a deviated septum and cauterized my turbinates. - MichaelCrawford

thanks (none / 1) (#11)
by livus on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 09:52:20 PM EST

I missed this earlier.

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Nazis, Nazis Everywhere! (none / 1) (#13)
by Icehouseman on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 10:18:58 PM EST

I read Ender's Game and I didn't like it. I never thought of comparing Ender to Hitler. Of course these days I'm skeptical of anything Orson Scott Card writes, he's just a crazy pro-war, creationist, anti-drug legalization, global warming denying, liberty hating nut. In other words, he's basically an Authoritarian. i can't imagine the vile hatred he'd throw at congressman Ron Paul, if Ron Paul won the Republican nomination for president...
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yeah but those aliens were weird, man (3.00 / 2) (#14)
by j1mmy on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 10:28:27 PM EST

they didn't eat pork or nothin'

Did no one tell that stupid bitch (3.00 / 4) (#17)
by LilDebbie on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 11:19:34 PM EST

that Ender thought he was performing in a simulation and was in fact crushed when he was told that it actually happened and went on to mourn the dead race for several books I never read because they sounded gay as hell?

My name is LilDebbie and I have a garden.
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thanks, SCIFI geek (1.50 / 2) (#18)
by nostalgiphile on Tue Mar 27, 2007 at 12:42:22 AM EST

I read the Ender series in high school and liked it quite a lot. Somehow, I too missed (was I on vacation?) your excellent defamation of Card on K5. Will make a point of reading it sometime. Please do write some more about scifi writers. I'm very interested in that.

Best of Luck,
N057.

"Depending on your perspective you are an optimist or a pessimist[,] and a hopeless one too." --trhurler

the differences seem more noticeable (3.00 / 3) (#19)
by Delirium on Tue Mar 27, 2007 at 12:43:43 AM EST

The similarities seem to be a bunch of obscure trivia that's really grasping for straws. The differences are actually relevant: 1) aliens actually are a threat, rather than the Jews who were not; 2) Ender does not know he is committing genocide; 3) Ender has a brother who plays an important role, whereas Hitler did not; and 4) Ender is a child, whereas Hitler was an adult.

And more importantly, if this was intended as some sort of Hitler apologia, how in the world are minutiae like had sex at 37 supposed to help Card's cause?

Frankly this sort of bullshit strikes me as a bit McCarthyist, finding a Nazi behind every right-wing author one dislikes.

Answers by localroger, 03/27/2007 12:59:26 PM EST (none / 1)

Some observations by Basser, 03/27/2007 02:34:49 PM EST (none / 1)

Fair enough by localroger, 03/27/2007 03:53:57 PM EST (none / 1)

Ender's Game + Ayn Rand (3.00 / 2) (#20)
by phayd on Tue Mar 27, 2007 at 01:10:58 AM EST

form the canon for lonely, put upon nerds whose secret talents have been cruelly oppressed by the less worthy...

Orson Scott Card's a tool anyways.

most scifi writers are tools by Zombie Schrodingers Cat, 03/27/2007 09:23:38 AM EST (none / 0)

it surprises me too by khallow, 03/27/2007 12:35:38 PM EST (none / 0)

since you're sci-fi writer from new orleans (none / 0) (#21)
by zombie Private Papers on Tue Mar 27, 2007 at 09:14:33 AM EST

did you know Effinger much? I was reading up on what a horrible end his life took.

Ah a revival from the good old days... (none / 0) (#23)
by haplopeart on Tue Mar 27, 2007 at 11:43:34 AM EST

...miss K5 in the old days when there was at least the ocassional intelligent (if in this case misguided) discussion.
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Footnotes? (none / 0) (#28)
by Andrevan on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 04:21:37 AM EST

Where are the footnotes that were promised?

The docs weren't published in FR by localroger, 04/15/2007 05:34:36 PM EST (none / 1)

Ender and Hitler: Sympathy for the Superman | 29 comments (29 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

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