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The Schizophrenic Symptom of Flat Affect

By MichaelCrawford in Culture
Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 12:00:00 PM EST
Tags: Psychology, psychiatry, schizophrenia, schizoaffective disorder, emotion, affect, negative symptoms, writing, music (all tags)
Music

I am often warned that my time here at Kuro5hin exacerbates my symptoms of mental illness. But in one very important way Kuro5hin serves as a medical device that enables me to enjoy a certain very important component of sanity that would otherwise be largely unavailable to me.

It enables me, for a time, to live free of a devasting symptom that was notably absent from my list of symptoms that I published in three years ago in Living with Schizoaffective Disorder because I was at the time so completely in its grip as to be unaware even of its existence. While I had by then undergone over a decade of psychotherapy, I had not yet gained the insight necessary to recognize this symptom, let alone do anything about it.

As I will explain, it is also one of the most difficult symptoms for mental health practitioners to treat. While some claim that some newer medications can help, that's not my own experience. I have found that talk therapy helps, but only very slowly, over a period of years.


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What Kuro5hin Does for Me

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What kind of sanity can Kuro5hin possibly give me that my doctors, with all their years of training cannot? Simple: the expression of human emotion. My schizoaffective disorder renders me largely incapable of it.

You will surely protest that my writing clearly demonstrates that I am by no means an unemotional person. And that's the very point I'm trying to make. If it weren't for my writing, which takes place mostly at Kuro5hin, I would be almost completely incapable of expressing any emotion whatsoever.

The symptom is known clinically as "flat affect". "Affect" is the clinical psychological term for one's emotional expression; for one's affect to be flat means that one is devoid of any emotional expression.

And if any of my Kuro5hin friends were ever to encounter me in Meatspace, that would be by far your overwhelming impression of me: I am a blank slate, hardly ever able to crack the barest of smiles, even when I try.

But you see, flat affect is not the absence of emotion. I am under the impression that even many mental health practitioners don't know it's true nature, as those of us who experience it are so unable to make our feelings known to our therapists. No, flat affect is not the absence of emotion, but our inability to express it outwardly, publicly, in such a way that other people are able to connect to us.

I am unable even to express my feelings towards my own wife Bonita. One of the reasons she became so fascinated with me so early in our relationship is that she is quite keenly attuned to human feelings; she can read the feelings of anyone like the pages of a book.

But not my feelings. To her I am, in her words, "an enigma".

Imagine my lifetime of torment, when I tell you that for my entire existence I have known the very heights of passion, that most tranquil of joys, the lustiest of libidos, the sweetest of sorrows, the torment of seemingly-endless despair, furious anger, well you get my drift, my list could go on and on. I am a helpless little boat tossed constantly by the stormy sea of my feelings.

My Kuro5hin friends will already know from my writing that I am among the most emotional of men, quite often irrationally so. So you must certainly understand my lifetime of repeated, inevitable disappointment that my overwhelming experience in trying to relate to other human beings has always been an absolute...

Utter...

Failure...

To connect.

Because so much of human relationships are based so intimately on our emotional expression, our empathy with the emotions of others, or our fearful reactions to their wrath.

For all my life, I have been largely unable to even register 1.0 on the Emotional Richter scale.

Except when I write.

It didn't come automatically; I had to work hard, over a period of years, to learn to express my feelings through my writing. Thus most of my earlier written work is purely technical, meant to inform but not to convince or to convey any sort of feeling.

I often despaired at my inability to express my feelings in writing, but one way or another I learned to do so. It wasn't by any educational method I set out to practice.

It was largely by writing diaries, and followup comments to the diaries and stories of others, at first at Advogato, and then here at Kuro5hin.

Just as riding a bicycle is a skill one can learn but cannot be taught, I learned to express my feelings right here in Kuro5hin, in my writing.

Just ask trane and Orion Blastar Again - they are schizoaffective too. Orion Blastar Again experiences flat affect. I don't know as again I never asked, but I suspect trane's notorious misogyny is the result of his inability to ever connect emotionally with a woman.

Another Way Out

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There is one other way I can express my feelings, and I am able to do so in a way that far exceeds any expression I can accomplish with my writing. Hence my endless diaries espousing its importance to me, my struggles against its seemingly-insurmountable difficulties, my grand plans to go back to school at well-over forty years old to study...

Music

I was able to express myself in my music for many years before I could do so in my writing. My piece Recursion, my own personal favorite of my own compositions, was composed during a period in my early twenties when I was almost continuously suicidal for a period of several years.

By expressing my sorrow through playing Recursion, I was able to find some meaning in my seemingly-endless torment of despair. The worst torment can be borne by almost anyone if they know it serves some higher purpose. The worst torment of all is to suffer for no good reason whatsoever.

How Music Expresses Emotion

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nombre claims that one cannot really express emotion through music. Most people are certain that music expresses emotion because of their own experiences with it, but that's not a rigorous argument. The fact that one can, and how it is expressed, is well-known.

I discussed this a while back in an essay called I Have So Many Questions About Music. I considered the question of why music matters so much to us. The reason I gave is that music makes us feel connected to others. To feel connected is a desperate need, not just of humans but of many animals as well. It is a need that can be satiated for a time through music, but that can never be completely fulfilled:

Thousands of years ago, the Buddha explained that the fact that we are ultimately all alone in the Universe is the cause of much of humanity's despair. Many of the ways we seek to fill this void, such as striving for wealth or love, ultimately cause even more sorrow than they cure. Buddha's solution is to simply accept our loneliness. Such acceptance is the cause of the deep, abiding sadness many Buddhists feel.

But we can forgot our sorrow for a little while by using music to connect ourselves to each other. I explain how we are connected by quoting Philip Dorrell:

In order for the listener to perceive patterns of neural activity in the speaker's brain, there would have to be some relationship between neural activity patterns in the speaker's brain and neural activity patterns in the listener's brain, in a way which preserves the geometric nature of those patterns, at least to a sufficient extent that the patterns can be perceived. This implies some form of "neural mirroring". The mirroring does not necessarily have to be very accurate - it just has to be accurate enough that some observation can be made of the patterns of activity in the speaker's brain.

Then I explained:

Music makes us feel connected because it transports a complex and time-varying neurological and psychological process from the brain of the performer to the brain of the listener. It enables us to think the thoughts, and to feel the feelings of another living being. It enables us to become one with them, and in this way pierce the boundaries that separate us, so that for a few fleeting minutes we no longer feel so alone.

I'm afraid I never finished that essay. After my wife read my explanation of Why I Write, she said "You're chasing a White Rabbit down its rabbit-hole". She was right: five days later I went to the emergency room. I told the doctor that every previous time I felt the way I did then, I soon required admission to a psychiatric inpatient unit. He sent me on my way with enough Librium to stun an ox.

My psychiatrist called me later that day. After I told him what happened, he said "If you're having some kind of psychotherapeutic breakthrough, taking medicine for anxiety will lessen its effect."

Heeding his advice, I did not take any more.

Schizophrenia's Negative Symptoms

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I wrote in Living with Schizoaffective Disorder that being schizoaffective was like being manic depressive and schizophrenic at the same time. (There is also a more common form of schizoaffective disorder that is like being a "unipolar" depressive rather than manic depressive.) The symptoms I described included mania, depression, dissociation, auditory and visual hallucinations and paranoia.

Mania and depression are the symptoms I share with manic depressives. It turns out that dissociation is a symptom of neurosis, not schizophrenia as I first thought. The hallucinations and paranoia are the symptoms I share with schizophrenics; these are known as "psychotic" symptoms, or disorders in thought, while mania and depression are "affective" symptoms, or disorders in mood.

Each of these psychotic symptoms are classified as positive symptoms, in that they add something to my experience that should not normally be there. Completely unmentioned in my essay are the negative symptoms, so-called because an experience or behaviour that is normally present is missing or diminished.

Flat affect is such a negative symptom: emotional expression that is normally present is missing. One can also be missing emotion entirely, which happens to me sometimes, but flat affect is still present even when my emotions are otherwise normal.

One cannot tell by watching someone whether they really feel flat or just appear that way. My affect is flat when I feel joy but cannot smile, or feel sad but cannot cry; instead I show only a pokerface. I may try to force a smile to show others my happiness, but it won't appear genuine. They will have the sense that I'm just faking it. Bonita often expresses frustration at being unable to get any reaction out of me. I tell her "I really am happy to see you. I'm just not able to show it."

Flat emotion isn't the simple absence of emotion: everyone is calm at times. Instead feelings don't appear in response to events that would normally stimulate them. One reacts to news both happy and tragic with dispassion or disinterest. One no longer finds pleasure in activities that one once enjoyed.

Some of the other negative symptoms are catatonia, poor or inappropriate social skills, difficulty in speaking or thinking logically, and social isolation.

Some of the negative symptoms, especially flattened affect, lack of emotions and social isolation are also symptoms of severe depression. It is often difficult to correctly diagnose many mental illnesses because some symptoms are common to several possible diagnoses. Most symptoms come and go over time, so one must observe the patient over a long period of time to see if new symptoms eventually show themselves.

More Serious Than You Would Expect

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You might ask whether flat affect is really all that serious, given that one can still experience normal emotions, just not express them. Am I not able to enjoy life just like mentally healthy people?

Yes one can, but is unlikely to unless one finds a way to overcome or compensate for flat affect. Left untreated, flat affect all by itself can be devastating or even fatal.

Flat affect prevents us from forming or enjoying normal human relationships. Schizophrenics and schizoaffectives have difficulty finding friends, enjoying the company of other people, starting or maintaining romantic relationships, and getting or holding jobs.

It's actually worse than that. Flat affect makes us sicker than we would otherwise be.

Schizophrenia can have a sudden or slow onset. Slow onset schizophrenia is very common, with the transition from health to full sickness often taking a number of years. Quite often the appearance of new symptoms is so slow as to be unnoticable, with the first sign of trouble being that the sufferrer has become so crazy as to be brought to a psychiatric inpatient unit by the police.

The reason that one's friends and family do not notice is that the sufferrer gradually withdraws from human contact. Sometimes subtle paranoia causes one to distrust strangers who might otherwise become friends. Flat affect prevents others from enjoying our company, so others withdraw from us.

Social isolation is very dangerous to the mentally ill. One way sane people stay sane is that others around us let us know when we are straying from the rational path. If I were to post something crazy here at K5, one of you would probably say "Hey Mike, what you just said is crazy". If I'm not too delusional, that may be all the treatment I need to stay healthy.

If others don't enjoy my company, I won't enjoy theirs. Thus flat affect leads schizophrenics to avoid even trying to make friends, even if we are not paranoid. Eventually there is no one to correct our delusional thinking, and our thoughts stray farther and farther from reality.

I claimed flat affect can be fatal: suicide is very common among schizophrenics. Complete isolation is a very lonely experience, often a heavier burden to bear than we are capable of carrying.

At my first therapy session after my first hospitalization in November of 1984, my therapist urged me always to live with other people, never to get a house or apartment where I lived alone.

The Therapeutic Treatment of Flat Affect

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All of the negative symptoms are notoriously difficult to treat. It is much easier to stop something abnormal than to add something which is missing.

While antipsychotic medication has been available for decades, it didn't work very well at first. "Classic" antipsychotics like thorazine and haloperidol require such large doses that they often cause terrible, debilitating side effects. Some patients found them so unbearible they refused medication, preferring their delusions and hallucinations to the tremors, seizures and sedation caused by their medications.

Treatment of schizophrenia was revolutionized with the discovery of the "atypical antipsychotics", starting with Clozapine, licensed by the FDA in 1989. Lori Schiller wrote in her book The Quiet Room that her severe schizophrenia so resisted treatment that she was hospitalized for many years before being accepted for treatment with Clozapine during its experimental trials. She now lives independently and is able to hold a job.

I myself have taken Risperdal since my hospitalization for mania and psychosis in the Spring of 1994. It is also recommended for bipolar mania. At the time of my hospitalization, it had been on the market for only a few months, and seemed to be regarded by the hospital staff as a wonder drug.

All the antipsychotics reduce the activity of the neurotransmitter dopamine as an excess of it is the immediate cause of psychotic symptoms. The atypical ones also effect serotonin and sometimes other neurotransmitters.

The classic antipsychotics were largely ineffective for treating negative symptoms. Atypical antipsychotics are thought to be somewhat helpful, but I cannot tell if there is any difference as a result of my Risperdal. I'm not usually aware when I don't express my feelings though, and emotional expression is often subtle, so it is quite possible that it helps me without my being able to tell.

However, I have come a long way in overcoming flat affect: when I commenced psychotherapy back in Santa Cruz in 1986, my complaint was that I was unable ever to get a date, let alone a girlfriend. When I terminated therapy in 2000, I did so because I was moving to Newfoundland for my wedding to Bonita. We recently celebrated our sixth anniversary.

Not often, but sometimes, I am able to bust out and jump for joy. And sometimes, when overcome with grief, I am able to cry.

What made the difference? Practice: one can learn to express emotion through conscious effort. With enough conscious practice, affective expression can become unconcious and natural. However, even after all these years I usually seem stoic and unemotional. That is, except when I play music or write, or am incredibly overcome.

My therapist warned that it was likely to take some time to reach my goal, but she asked me to regard every attempt to attract a woman as practice towards gaining the skills I needed to succeed someday. And friends, that's what I did: during some sessions she assigned me the task of chatting up a strange girl, and at the next we would discuss my experience, as well as how I could do better next time.

While consciously forcing a smile appears insincere, with enough practice and experience one can learn to smile spontaneously. I doubt I will ever be as expressive as I would have been had I never gotten sick, but at least can now live a more or less normal life.

To Know My Passion

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At a very young age I chose to lead a life of the mind: I wanted to be a scientist when I grew up. I was accepted to the California Institute of Technology to study astronomy in 1982; my lifetime goal was the Nobel Prize in Physics. Things looked promising at first, as I was hired by a Caltech astronomer to help with his data analysis and observing work. We coauthored a few papers in the Astrophysical Journal and spent time at the sixty and two hundred inch telescopes at Palomar Mountain. I had it all!

Or so it seemed. It all came crashing down when I had my first manic episode in the Summer of 1984. My first hospitalization was in November, for acute anxiety. I was diagnosed with schizoaffective disorder in July of 1985, during a six-week hospitalization for profoundly severe mania.

Very few who share my diagnosis are able to provide for themselves as I do. Most have to get by on their government disability checks, be cared for by their families, or try to make it on the street, homeless and tormented by madness and despair.

My madness took all I had from me: my education, my career, my reputation and many dear friends, most of whom refused ever to speak to me again. But I was determined not to let it take everything: I wanted my life back.

While I was accepted to transfer to the University of California Santa Cruz, I often got poor grades because of my illness. My therapist quickly realized I must find a job to support myself.

At the time I looked, dressed and acted just like any other crazy street person, so she was astounded when I showed her my resume one day. As a career in Physics no longer seemed a possibility, our therapy began to focus on finding a new career. I began to teach myself to program computers from books using a Macintosh 512k my roommate and I bought secondhand. I got my first career programming job in November of 1987; I have since been steadily employed as a software engineer for nineteen years. I received my B.A. in Physics from UCSC in 1993.

But I had a problem: as a software engineer, I still lived a life of the mind. That's not good for someone with flat affect, or any kind of mental illness. As I recovered I began to enjoy the experience of my own thoughts and feelings more, but I experienced little of the real world, and other people experienced little from me. It didn't help that I was a hopeless geek.

My wife and I met online in late 1997. During my first visit in January of '98, Bonita noticed my tendency to "space out", or retreat into my thoughts, which was so severe at times that I became completely unaware of my surroundings, unable even to hear her speaking to me. When she urged me to live in the real world, I protested that I had a vivid imagination, and preferred living in my head. A Shambhala Buddhist, she urged me to meditate that I might learn to be mindful. She pointed that I was particularly unmindful as I was prone to bump into other people because I was unaware of their presence.

While reluctant to leave my inner world, I discussed my tendency to space out with my therapist upon my return. She too urged me to give it up.

I am not clear what made the difference, but I don't space out anymore. Most likely it's from being with Bonita, as I previously spent very little time speaking with other people.

After a hiatus of several years, I took up my piano again when we moved to Nova Scotia in the Fall of 2003. Stress from my consulting work caused my paranoia and hallucinations to appear again for the first time since 1994. I knew that playing my piano was one of the few things that I could do completely on my own to comfort myself when I was wigging. I have been taking piano lessons since January of '94, and a few months ago started appearing at a local Open Mic. While I am a long way from passing my music school audition, I am very determined.

These last three years have been a struggle for my wife and myself. While I avoided the hospital, I have required emergency room treatment five times since moving to Canada, the last time just a couple weeks ago. Many times I did not earn enough to get by.

But on the whole, I am improving. If you saw me today you would never suspect I was just in the emergency. I just got a good consulting contract, and this morning will be turning down a highly paid permanent position that I was offerred because I like my new client's work better.

Along with my music, my writing, especially that published at Kuro5hin, was a critical component to my recovery.

Music alone is not enough, you see. My piano so far is only a one-way emotional expression, as I am only just beginning to feel I play well enough to jam with other musicians or play in a band. I am eager to do so, I know very well how much better it feels to play music with others as I used to play the conga in drum circles at the beaches of Santa Cruz.

While I can express feelings by playing piano, even complex feeling, being instrumental music those feelings are raw and pure, with no factual content. It is only through my writing that I am able to explain why I feel the way I do, and to emote in a conversational way, by carrying on discussions with all of you.

All You Need To Know

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For over twenty years I desperately sought the key to happiness. It's easy for me to tell you what that key is; to obtain it is quite another matter. Timothy Miller explained it on page 80 of his book How To Want What You Have:

A sincere and scholarly religious seeker occasionally experimented with mescaline. While spending an evening in his study amid his books, music, and works of art, rapturously intoxicated, he suddenly figured out the secret of happiness. After recovering from his initial exhiliration, he realized he could not trust himself to remember the secret, so he wrote it on a slip of paper where he would be sure to find it later. Sure enough, he felt groggy the following morning, recalling only dimly that he had discovered something momentous. When he eventually came across the slip of paper, he recalled that he had written the secret of happiness on it, and that he had felt quite certain of its power and correctness at the time he had written it. Hands trembling with anticipation, he unfolded the scrap of paper. He had written, "Think in different patterns".

I know you won't believe me, but after twenty years spent learning how, I can reassure you that all it really does take to be happy is to think in different patterns. There are many ways to learn: for me there is therapy, medicine, music and writing. (And yes, meditation, but I'm afraid I'm not a very good Buddhist.) But you must understand that to think in different patterns must be a lifelong quest, as we otherwise slip back into the bad old unhappy thought patterns. One must seek endlessly because the path itself is the goal.

If you are unhappy, I urge you too to learn to think in different patterns.

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The Schizophrenic Symptom of Flat Affect | 243 comments (167 topical, 76 editorial, 2 hidden)
Poetry and Music is know to heal better (1.75 / 4) (#11)
by RodMcKuen on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 07:49:32 AM EST

than medications. Write poetry and play music.

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Let love

fall into your soul

like leaves in heaven

And you answered (2.25 / 4) (#12)
by debacle on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 08:42:08 AM EST

"HEY I HAVEN'T POSTED ANYTHING TO THE QUEUE IN FIVE DAYS."

It tastes sweet.
hi (2.80 / 5) (#13)
by nombre on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 08:59:58 AM EST

i see that you're attempting to perpetuate the myth that emotions/thoughts can be "expressed" in terms of music. in the name of musicology and science, i must demand that you cease and desist.

my entire rationale for coming to k5 (2.50 / 10) (#20)
by circletimessquare on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 11:33:20 AM EST

is that, via catharsis, it allows me to be less psychotic in real life

i don't think it makes me more psychotic

because i'm psychotic to a certain amount regardless of the existence of k5 or not, and i need to express that, or it just builds up until BOOM!

so better to unload it on random assholes who i will never meet here on k5 than real people in real life i work with/ live with where expressing my psychotic side will lead to bad repercussions

there are no repercussions of calling people here on k5 stupid fucktards

YOU HEAR ME CRAWFORD!!!??? YOU FUCKING FUCKTARD!!???

...joke, nothing but love mike ;-)


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

I too experience flatness (2.85 / 7) (#24)
by Orion Blastar Again on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 01:16:36 PM EST

and hardly ever smile.

My depression makes me look grumpy sometimes it makes me frown.

People are always telling me to smile more. I wish I could.

My wife is a nurse and knows about my mental illnesses and can read me like a book. She knows when something online affects me. Most of the time it does, but being online is one of my only sources of human contact because I have a hard time meeting people in real life.

Online there is a mask effect in which we become a different person, many do. It is being anonymous and not showing your face. I developed many alter-egos due to panic attacks caused by stress that others gave me online. I did not really mean to use multiple accounts, but I did, and I never heard the end of it even if I did those things years ago. Like my online suicide in Nov 2004 that an alter-ego posted, which was in response to several people online (some of whom I had called friends) telling me to kill myself.

If I exhibit antisocial behavior, it is because someone exhibited antisocial behavior to me first. This had started at the IWETHEY forums as I was attacked for my ideas and views with name calling and being made fun of and a lot of negative things. It was really starting at the Infoworld forums around 1995-1997, but went to IWETHEY when they broke off of Infoworld. If someone used a personal attack on me, I'd use one back on them, or someone else who attacked me. I tried to be friends with them, but I kept getting attacked by various members. It added stress and I had panic attacks and created multiple accounts that mimicked their antisocial behavior towards me, and  those accounts attacked me. I tried to stop, but it kept happening. I know some on IWETHEY are my friends and never did some of those things, but there are some who do those things. I tried writing in Wiki sites, but in 2005 some IWETHEY members vandalized the Wiki I was contributing to, posting links to the IWETHEY forum to posts I had once made. Then in 2006, some forums I was on (PHPBB2) had been hacked and attacked, and I was one of the people attacked with posts going back to IWETHEY, and IP addresses that look like the ones some IWETHEY memebrs used in the Wiki. Whomever did it had Linux and PHP security knowledge, which many IWETHEY members have. The other people I have a history with are not so tech-savvy. I went back, trying to build a bridge to IWETHEY, because we had burnt bridges before. Some are glad to see me back there, others are not. My stay there may be temporary, but I want them to know I am trying to change, and trying not to use mutliple accounts and taking control of my panic attacks

All I can say is that some people make it hard for me, feed my paranoia, and heap stress on me, which manipulates me and pushes my buttons. I am learning how to not let people manipulate me and push my buttons anymore.

Many have mental illnesses, or know people who do, yet treat me differently than they want to be treated or treat others with mental illnesses, because I am honest about my mental illnesses. They think it is all about me, but it is all about the mental illnesses and helping others cope with them who suffer from the same. I see that many think it is all about you, but no, it is all about the mental illnesses we both suffer from, and so do many others.

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you have explained this very well. i hope things (2.50 / 2) (#35)
by agavero on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 03:21:32 PM EST

continue to allow you to deal with this mental illness that is very difficult to overcome. thanks for the great writing.
"Our knowledge is a little island in a great ocean of nonknowledge." Isaac Bashevis Singer
Nice Mike (none / 1) (#47)
by thermopeculiar on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 05:27:03 PM EST

Good article. I had no idea what flat affect was and now I do. It's good that K5 and writing in general help to give you some sort of emotional outlet.

I for one need to be a little less theatrical and a bit more even in 'meatspace'. +1FP from me when this goes up.

you know k5 is fucked when even the trolls start becoming disillusioned - thekubrix

-1, Michael Crawford. (2.00 / 7) (#48)
by akostic on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 05:33:34 PM EST

Michael Crawford. Feel bad for Michael Crawford. Michael Crawford does Ogg Frog. Bonita, married to Michael Crawford, is a great artist, dispite evdience Michael Crawford wishes to ignore.  Michael Crawford lets Michael Crawford's dogs shit on Michael Crawford's carpet because Michael Crawfords too lazy to get out of Michael Crawfords bed.
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"After an indeterminate amount of time trading insane laughter with the retards, I grew curious and tapped on the window." - osm
+1fp if you resection (2.33 / 6) (#83)
by loteck on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 09:55:30 PM EST

resection it to Michael Crawford.
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"You're in tune to the musical sound of loteck hi-fi, the musical sound that moves right round. Keep on moving ya'll." -Mylakovich
"WHAT AN ETERNAL MOBIUS STRIP OF FELLATIATIC BANALITY THIS IS." -Harry B Otch

My diaries aren't really on-topic for advogato (none / 0) (#87)
by MichaelCrawford on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 10:14:57 PM EST

It's a web community for free and open source software. After a while I realized few of my diaries were on such topics, so I moved over to Kuro5hin.

However, I do still post about Creative Commons music and writing there, as the CC-license is at least in the same spirit as free software.


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Live your fucking life. Sue someone on the Internet. Write a fucking music player. Like the great man Michael David Crawford has shown us all: Hard work, a strong will to stalk, and a few fries short of a happy meal goes a long way. -- bride of spidy


So have you... (2.00 / 2) (#97)
by bighappyface on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 01:12:45 AM EST

...ever heard voices?

how bizarre (1.75 / 4) (#98)
by lilnobody on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 01:22:37 AM EST

Such a weird feeling, to see a story linking to my emo-ass drunken diary, or, to be more specific, to one of the threads that attach themselves to it, like fungus spores, in which people talk to each other about crazy shit and eventually someone makes a comment about bestiality and everyone goes home, a job well done.

Small world, I guess.

ben

Clarification required (2.50 / 1) (#101)
by livus on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 03:11:33 AM EST

I wonder if you could say a little about the differences between the type of flat affect you describe here, and the flat affect which is thought to be the result of an actual absence of emotion?

FWIW I think you're dead wrong about Trane.  

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lol crazyass Americans! (1.40 / 5) (#105)
by IandI on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 04:12:45 AM EST

All yu lookin for some disease to complain about, that is your disease, man. You aint healthy cause you dont want to think you bein healthy.

'Flat affect' (2.50 / 2) (#114)
by Marvaud on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 05:53:18 AM EST

Your story is interesting but mostly it is important that you have pointed out one of the "vagaries" of mental illness.  Those who have not suffered any mental illness would not know what it is like and people need to be enlightened.  I have only a little experience of the "flat affect" when I have been depressed.  I remember a doctor suggested it was a side effect of medication and I thought the doctor very stupid.  I do believe that a human beings defense mechanism cuts in when feeling bad becomes too much and one does not want to show emotions after awhile...
 I have a friend suffering from schizophrenia.
It is a complicated and difficult illness.
I wish you all the best and good on you for
talking about it.

I'm not sure writing counts (2.50 / 1) (#122)
by rpresser on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 09:29:17 AM EST

Nor music playing. Both are very "artificial" behaviors -- things we do almost entirely in our forebrain. Emotional expression is more primitive -- we share it with other apes.

So while playing music and writing help you connect with others and communicate your emotions and may have saved your life ... they're not a substitute for being able to talk and smile and laugh.

I'm having trouble saying exactly what I mean here. I'm not trying to say you fail it because you redirect your emotion into artificial channels. I'm trying to say that while they're good, they're substitutes, not signs of healing.

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Great Story. +1FP from me. (1.00 / 2) (#141)
by agavero on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 12:39:48 PM EST

its nice to read "reality" in here. this is well done. thanks!
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Interesting subject... (2.50 / 1) (#145)
by Niha on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 03:11:11 PM EST

  Someone might say this is a bit egocentric. But I think is a interesting article.
  Emotions are such a natural thing, that for many is hard to figure out how it is for people with problems like flat affect.

"Social isolation is very dangerous" (1.50 / 4) (#146)
by rpresser on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 03:35:11 PM EST

I'd like to add that it's also very seductive. As a mild long-term depressive, NOS, it is when I am feeling my worst "black moods" that I want most to be alone, and that I absolutely should not be alone.

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nice, mike, you're going to publicly accuse (1.66 / 3) (#164)
by anonymized yet again on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 08:31:05 PM EST

of both mental illness and misogyny at the same time, and you haven't even bothered to VERIFY IT YET.

-1 with prejudice, and the people +1ing this are idiots.


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thank you for writing this (2.50 / 1) (#174)
by insomnyuk on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 01:53:18 AM EST

I'm manic-depressive and I connected to a lot of what you are saying. Mania is an interesting state to be in, but it's scary and at the end of the day not any fun. Most people can't understand what it's like and simply recoil in fear.

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To those who don't think music can express emotion (2.50 / 1) (#175)
by HackerCracker on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 02:43:58 AM EST

Chopin, Opus 28, No. 20 suckas

+1FP, popularity contest. (2.50 / 2) (#189)
by Mylakovich on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 02:06:32 PM EST

Although I am tempted to immediatly mock any indication of self-centeredness on the internet, I'm gonna take you at face value on this one for the hell of it.

Maybe you should reconsider. (2.80 / 5) (#191)
by waxmop on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 03:29:29 PM EST

I suggest that you reconsider whether participating on this site really contributes positively to your mental state.

The way I see it, at best, K5 offers us a weak, methadone-like, level of human contact. This is my best guess for why the site is most popular when we're all at work, where we feel bored and isolated in our cubes.

I view surfing K5 as a less-harmful alternative to taking a smoke break. It's a way to break up the day. But you seem to view K5 as a part of your mental health regimen. It sounds like you feel that writing here is a better method of social interaction than bing with people in real life.

One question: is it possible that all the time invested in this site, writing replies to people that insult you and your wife, could have been better spent somewhere else?
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kuro5hin.org: michaelcrawford and bonita (2.66 / 6) (#194)
by anonymized yet again on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 05:27:11 PM EST

from the trenches


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+1 Michael Crawford (2.75 / 4) (#195)
by givemegmail111 on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 05:39:01 PM EST

You may be a nutcase, but this site wouldn't be the same without you.

BTW, This site has never been the same since Baldrson left. Someone go find him.

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Congrats Micheal! (none / 1) (#203)
by terryfunk on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 07:18:22 PM EST

does this mean you can sleep now? You know that I enjoyed reading this.

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Link to Printer-Friendly Version of this Article (none / 1) (#210)
by MichaelCrawford on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 08:00:39 PM EST

I want to encourage anyone who wants to to make hardcopies of this essay to pass around. Perhaps you know a mentally ill person and want them to read it. Or perhaps you are a mentally ill person and want your friends, loved ones or doctors to read it.

If you replace the word "story" in the URL of any Kuro5hin story with "print", you get a printer-friendly page without all the ads or navigation. So to make a nice clean hardcopy of this essay, click the following link and then print from your browser:

I've been taking hardcopies of this down to the Truro chapter of the Canadian Mental Health Association for the staff (mostly psychiatric social workers) and members to read. They have all been very excited about it.

A friend who hardly ever has a word to say, and spends most of his time just sitting quietly, for the first time in the three years I've known him got excited and spoke to me quite animatedly, because I think for the first time he found someone who understood his own experience.

It's a good feeling that I've been able to do that for people like him. That's why I'm encouraging you to distribute hardcopies as well.


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Hearing past sounds? (none / 0) (#221)
by Dogun on Fri Aug 18, 2006 at 02:55:53 AM EST

Since it's a little unusual for me to ask a wierd question and not be totally out of place...

Sometimes I have the damnedest sensation.  It's exactly like I'm hearing something, except after a moment or two I'll know its not a real sound, since it doesn't feel right.  Like, no change in pitch when I turn my head, no sensation of sound on the ears.

Usually it's an alarm clock or a ringtone or something that I've been anticipating and actually heard like an hour or so beforehand.  Sometimes just a single not from a piece of classical music.

Two questions:

  1. is it unusual for people to have the sensation of hearing stuff like that when they are either thinking about it or have been anticipating it?

  2. how the hell does a remembered sound translate into the sensation of sound?  Seems very strange to me.

Whoever designed the human brain sucks.

Dude, (1.20 / 5) (#225)
by Comrade Wonderful on Fri Aug 18, 2006 at 11:03:27 AM EST

you totally remind me of that Lucien guy who was on Stargate Atlantis a couple weeks ago.

The Loki Theory (none / 0) (#228)
by Orion Blastar Again on Fri Aug 18, 2006 at 02:42:56 PM EST

From what I read of Loki and how the other Norse gods treated him. Loki might have been suffering from schizoaffective disorder or schizophrenia while he did the things he is accused of doing. The shape shifting powers means that his body changed to suit the way his mind saw himself. Many mentally ill people are accused of creating mischief, chaos, discord, and all of those things are related to Loki, aren't they?

Loki was shunned by his family (adopted or whatever) and friends in the same way that mentally ill people are shunned by their families and friends. I got the same reactions from people who were my friends or I thought were my friends, but lucky for me my family is more understanding.

Some even have written Loki not as a god, but as a giant or some other being, trying to make him seem like less than the other Norse gods. Many people treat the mentally ill as sub-human or like an animal or other lower life form trying to make them seem like less than other human beings.

Loki is not really evil, but the way he was treated he eventually allied up with the frost giants against his friends and family in the end. If they treated him better, he might have fought with them in the end and made a difference.

Yet almost everything he did, he tried to make up for it, like giving Siff new hair, getting the hammer for Thor to be made, etc. Showing that he really was good at heart, but suffered from a mental illness that caused behaviors and actions that got him shunned.

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Interesting (and timely) read (none / 0) (#230)
by quino on Fri Aug 18, 2006 at 07:01:20 PM EST

I wanted to thank you for sharing what must be a very personal tale.

This article came up gratuitously (in a way): yesterday I received news that a cousin of mine has been diagnosed with some form or type of schyznophrenia.  She's an artist, and has been traveling throughout Europe showcasing her work when she had an "episode" (from what I understand, hallucinations: she was hospitalized after she was found running unclothed throught the streets).

She's in her mid to late 20s, and apparently had some sort of "psychotic" episode some years ago that was forgotten and written off by the family (she was probably doing pot or LSD or something, is what I assumed, no biggie).

We don't know any details, and the fact that she's far away means that our only information has been through the consulate.  All I know right now is that she's in the hospital, under medication, but still talking to people who aren't there (she sees them, no one else does).

I really only knew her when she was a little kid -- I just remember her as a very quiet, sort of strange, but otherwise happy, smily, little girl.

I was taking a break from trying to find information ("useful" information to me) when I came to Kuro5hin and found this article. Thanks for sharing.

I hope that my cousin can continue to live a productive, independent life as you appear to.

Schizophrenia, Autism amd Aspergers (none / 0) (#236)
by jd on Sat Aug 19, 2006 at 06:15:42 PM EST

These three conditions are fascinating. Aspergers is often assumed to be a form of Autism, but fMRI scans indicate a slightly different story. They would suggest that Aspergers affects one distinct section of the brain, Schizophrenia another, and Autism both.

The "flatness" of Schizophrenia, then, may well be related to the "flatness" often exhibited by people with Autism. It is not present in people with Aspergers - they cannot read the feelings of others, but often have no problems having their own.

This is not based on anything beyond one trivial association being present and another being notable for being absent. It is not an "approved" medical conclusion/theory, merely speculation. However, as speculations go, I suspect it is no worse than most.

Just a question (none / 1) (#238)
by a boy and his bike on Sun Aug 20, 2006 at 03:45:59 PM EST

I've read a lot of the replies here and one thing always strikes me as odd. No matter what your symptoms are, and how bad they seem, somewhere in the post I see the words "my wife" and I ask myself how much of disease or handicap you guys really have. I can't even talk to a woman or get one even to respond to me, and you're talking about how your WIFE perceives you, and I'm supposed to feel bad for you guys?

No matter what I do, in about two minutes the woman decides I'm weird, I'm "just a friend" or I'm such-a-nice-guy-but-I-like-getting-beaten.

Guys, I'd GLADLY trade whatever the hell it is I have with anything you guys have, anytime.

Meditation, Dissociation? (none / 0) (#240)
by brain in a jar on Mon Aug 21, 2006 at 05:25:09 AM EST

Hi Mike,

You mention that you live the life of the mind and have a tendency to space out or zone out i.e. dissociate.

I'm the same this way, and have decided for myself that this is something I should probably cut down on.

I've also practiced a certain amount of meditation and one thing I still wonder about sometimes is whether meditation is helpful for this kind of thing or whether it might hinder.

What is your experience with this?

Have you asked your shrink about meditation and whether it is reccomended for people who tend to dissociate?


Life is too important, to be taken entirely seriously.

lol Carnegie Hall (none / 0) (#242)
by Chewbacca Uncircumsized on Mon Aug 21, 2006 at 08:37:20 PM EST

You Americans and your silly dreams.

Be like the UKians, know your place!

In a word... (none / 0) (#243)
by CAIMLAS on Mon Aug 21, 2006 at 09:13:53 PM EST

What kind of sanity can Kuro5hin possibly give me that my doctors, with all their years of training cannot? Simple: the expression of human emotion. My schizoaffective disorder renders me largely incapable of it.

This is why it's common to find so many mentally and emotionally disturbed people in "artistic" fields such as film, performing arts, music, and what have you.
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I haven't read all of the article yet (none / 0) (#246)
by bhearsum on Sat Aug 26, 2006 at 11:27:59 AM EST

But your posts like this are one of the (few) reasons I still read K5.

My mom has been bipolar since I was young. I recall reading your 'Living with...' series when it first came out although my mom is not schizo it actually helped me understand what she was going through a little more.

Keep up the good work Michael, and enjoy the lovely weather over there :p

I dunno (none / 1) (#250)
by jcarnelian on Mon Aug 28, 2006 at 03:32:07 AM EST

I don't want to minimize your medical issues, but I think there is a risk of seeing everything through a medical lens once you've been diagnosed with something.

The problem is compounded by a media-created image of human perfection.  It's not just the  sculpted bodies and beautiful faces, it's great lives in expensive homes, with excellent verbal and emotional skills, and a wide range of friends and partners.  Even the villains and troubled people on television are perfect in their imperfections.

But normal human experience is different.   Everybody has limitations communicating emotions, nobody (at least nobody without mental illness) is happy most of the time.  Those are part of the normal human experience.  If you're aiming for achieving a media-created stereotype of normality, you're setting yourself up for failure, or worse.

MichaelCrawford (none / 1) (#252)
by tyx on Sun Sep 03, 2006 at 01:29:25 PM EST

A great article I must say. As a sufferer of schizophrenia myself, I would have to agree with lots of your points. Excellent stuff; a nice read.

How do you know that any of this really exists? (none / 0) (#253)
by mrcsparker on Wed Sep 06, 2006 at 03:10:56 PM EST

Bonita is in your head.  So am I.  So are all of us.

All of your thoughts are just a revolving pattern, the same thing over and over again.  How do you know that you haven't written that article a thousand times, or that you even wrote that article at all?  How do you make things relate to each other in your mind without losing focus?

If you are reading this, it is because you have created it.

Hi (none / 0) (#255)
by eyezsightless on Thu Oct 26, 2006 at 07:52:19 AM EST

I work as a specialist for people with mental illnesses. I have been there with schizophrenia and now back you can say. I'd like to talk to you more about it if your interested. Let's jsut say there are only very few that are able to return and will not go back. Schizophrenia is what I had along with  other diagnosis's. To prove it to ya, I'll explain how a little about it, that no one else can relate to. From some of my words and emotions. Hopefully you're still interested in getting better. I don't mind helping others with Schizophrenia.

     "It's as the signs were trying to tell me something. I start to wonder if they see what I see at times. Afraid to explain or point it out. My eyes aren't decieving me. I know what I saw. Coincidence is one thing, but this must be a sign"

     that was a phrase I can rememeber thinking.. you understand enough i think to believe me on that part I hope.. contact me at eyez8480@yahoo.com

   

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