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The Turing Test: A Blockhead's dilemma?

By 1419 in 1419's Diary
Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 09:17:20 AM EST
Tags: turing test, blockhead (all tags)

The Turing Test entry in the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy. Ned Block's "BlockHead".


This article analyzes issues around the Turing Test (of machine intelligence). It ends with the Chinese Room (see http://www.iep.utm.edu/c/chineser.htm or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_room for example) but talks about Ned Block's "Blockhead" argument in good detail before that (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockhead).

What I find interesting about the BlockHead argument  is that is seems to parallel Chomsky's quote on computers beating humans at games of chess very nicely. If conversation is reduced to "math" and the computer then emits responses that are humanly plausible to humans in a sort of rote or "uncomposed" fashion then this is just a math problem. And computers are good at math. We don't say that they are then intelligent because of it.

The Turing Test is eerily compared to Descartes describing how no machine could be made to act like a human in importantly human ways: thinking and talking.

The article covers common objections to the Turing Test: Theological objection, Lovelace objection, Mathematical objection and so on.

It seems to me that the idea of "passing" the Turing Test seems to be answerable in two ways: a whitebox and blackbox way. In the white box way we know how the computer does it (e.g., brute force, or block head logic tree). In the second case we don't - it is a black box. However, in the black box example we are convinced that it is a human.

It seems that the Turing Test analysis want to say, ok let's pretend that you can black box your way through the test, but that then is not good enough. Now we must analyze your blackbox success in ways that are meaningful in a whitebox sense (by looking inside to see how it did it). If the whitebox analysis concludes that the methods of your program are the same as other methods we've decided "aren't intelligent" then your black box success is meaningless.

I am not sure that is a reasonable way to progress. This is the logic of (at least my minimal understanding of) Ned Block's Blockhead computer.

I am not sure the Turing Test is saying: Not only will it fool you seventy percent of the time, but it's mechanism will impress you one hundred percent of the time and will not be of the kind that you have before hand decided aren't intelligent. I think this is the "moving goal posts" problem. Every time something passes a test, the test is decided not to be important to intelligence and the goal posts are set somewhere else that hasn't been done yet.

The Chinese Room argument is a different kettle of fish, however it too seems to want to go "within" the computer and argue against it, "even if it too passes the Turing Test".

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The Turing Test: A Blockhead's dilemma? | 8 comments (8 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
Screw artificial intelligence. (2.25 / 4) (#1)
by Gluke on Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 09:22:26 AM EST

Gimme artificial emotions. I wanna see a grown robot cry over a dead kitty.

You're right (1.50 / 4) (#3)
by GrubbyBeardedHermit on Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 09:29:22 AM EST

the Turing test is a gym full of hairy bollocks.

GBH

Computers aren't good at math (1.50 / 4) (#4)
by Hung Three on Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 09:30:50 AM EST

unless you're some stupid fuck who thinks math is 4893274932/8493232

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glass box, (2.66 / 3) (#5)
by Water on Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 10:34:27 AM EST

not white box. A white box is not transparent.

the original turing test said (none / 0) (#7)
by trane on Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 08:12:34 PM EST

" I believe that in about fifty years time it will be possible to programme computers with a storage capacity of about 109 to make them play the imitation game so well that an average interrogator will not have more than 70 per cent chance of making the right identification after five minutes of questioning."

So that means if the program fools the judges 30 percent of the time (not 70%), it passes.

I think your analysis is correct.

Yawn (none / 0) (#8)
by Alan Crowe on Sat Oct 21, 2006 at 01:41:47 PM EST

The Wikipedia page says

In this paper, Block argues that the internal mechanism of a system was important in determining whether that system was intelligent, and also to show that a non-intelligent system could pass the Turing Test.
but it goes on to concede that Block's proposed non-intelligent system is wholly impractical.

This is depressingly stupid. If Block had a proposal for a non-intelligent system that could pass the Turing Test, the excitement would lie in trying to implement it. Would it succede? Would unexpected problems be discovered?

Block doesn't have any exciting suggestion. His scheme is obviously and admittedly impractical. He hasn't shown anything at all.



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