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"The unexamined life is not worth living."

By benna in benna's Diary
Sun Apr 10, 2005 at 01:55:26 AM EST
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 --Socrates (quoted by Plato in Apology)


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I think what Socrates is saying here is that on some basic level, to be alive, to be human, is to actively examine life. If you don't think about how you want to live, then you give up those decisions to others. You become like an animal, or even a machine, in that you have no self, no agency acting independently. Socrates sees this sense of an independent, rational self, as essential to our humanity. Another translation of the quote reads, "the unexamined life not being livable for a person." This explicit reference to "a person" is evidence of the distintion being made between humans and animals. In fact, one could even interpret it to mean that it is an impossiblity for a human being to go through life without examining it. On some level, to be alive, at least in the human form, is to be conscious. To be conscious is to examine the world around you. Without examining the world, we would be zombies (in the philosophical sense).

However, I do not completly agree with Socrates. The effect of other's ideas on one's own must be recognized. Nobody is completely independent. Socrates might argue that rationality is innate, and that each person can come to rational conclusions independently, but this does not refute my argument. Taking for granted that rationality is innate, (something that I do not, but will for the sake of argument) there is some creativity involved in rationality which allows one to look down the right logical path. The rules math, for example, are set, but many problems remain unsolved because no one has had the insight to chose the right path to find their solutions. It is this creativity which is susceptible to outside pressure (if not outside determination). One wonders whether there is any substantial ego at all, since science can find no point in the brain at which decisions are made, that is, there is no physical manifestation of a single-point ego (and the ego does seem to be a single point). I'm a materialist, and I think dualism is absurd, and so I seriously question the whole concept of a "Self." So is there really any examiner to do the examining? Socrates believed there to be one essentially a priori, as I alluded to earlier, but perhaps this is an incorrect assumption. If it is, then the quote is largely meaningless.

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What if... (none / 0) (#1)
by BigZaphod on Sun Apr 10, 2005 at 02:57:08 AM EST

..after careful examination, it is determined that the life you were living was not worth living anyway?  Would it have been better to not know?

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-1 philosophy (none / 1) (#2)
by the return of bg on Sun Apr 10, 2005 at 03:53:41 AM EST



nope, nope, nope (none / 0) (#3)
by Translucent Blue on Sun Apr 10, 2005 at 04:17:10 AM EST

you fail it completely.  if you had ACTUALLY READ some of Plato's writing, you'd know exactly what Socrates meant.

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by Surial on Sun Apr 10, 2005 at 08:53:55 AM EST

... well, at least Socrates was, that is.

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How is dualism absurd? (none / 0) (#6)
by b4b0 on Sun Apr 10, 2005 at 11:22:02 AM EST

Do you think that if you have a neural network that at some point in size and complexity sentience will emerge.

Perhaps conciousness is a quantum phenomenon. There is some evidence towards this, even ignore CopenHagan?, i meant biological evidence. search for "microtubule neuron"
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Not to be flip, but ... (none / 0) (#8)
by Peahippo on Sun Apr 10, 2005 at 12:41:10 PM EST

... the examined unexamined life is not worth discussing.


commit suicide. (none / 0) (#10)
by communistpope on Sun Apr 10, 2005 at 04:50:52 PM EST

Socrates did it.

I don't see why (none / 0) (#11)
by levesque on Sun Apr 10, 2005 at 06:03:24 PM EST

you think that because Socrate says "the unexamined life is..." means that he felt we are fully independent from others. Your idea of "dependance" could be included in Socrates notion of what can be discovered when one examines one's life.

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