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Swirl Combustion for Carmacks Throatless Rocket?

By Baldrson in Baldrson's Diary
Sat Dec 03, 2005 at 05:12:48 AM EST
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Carmack's latest on his throatless rocket engine includes a comment:

The fuel stream can only penetrate a short distance, probably under an inch, before it is strongly swept downstream. In a 2" diameter motor this gives decent mixing, but as we get larger and larger, it leaves a huge hole in the center that is basically just pure oxygen with no fuel mixed with it, and an excessively rich mixture near the walls. In the video last month looking down the throat of the 6" ID engine you can actually see a ring of combustion fire around the outside edge and a dark center.
You can see the ring of fire in this video just before the axial camera gets blown away by the rocket. I think I'd try putting the oxygen injectors on the outside and using swirl injectors for better mixing. It just takes milling the injector holes at a different angle. The heavier gasses are uncombusted so they get centrifuged to the outside where the ring of fire is. Of course if he's reliant on reductive coolling putting the oxygen on the outside won't work.


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Swirl Combustion for Carmacks Throatless Rocket? | 18 comments (18 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
its nice and all that you are posting that here, (none / 1) (#1)
by Lemon Juice on Sat Dec 03, 2005 at 05:32:38 AM EST

but what is the point of commenting on it if it isn't going to get back to him? Did you post this elsewhere where he might get a look at it?

What sort of flow rate? (none / 0) (#2)
by gordonjcp on Sat Dec 03, 2005 at 05:37:39 AM EST

Can they not use a baffle to spin the oxygen flow, and maybe shield the injector?

Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he'll bore you rigid with fishing stories for the rest of your life.


Whats this (none / 0) (#3)
by weedaddict on Sat Dec 03, 2005 at 11:35:48 AM EST

have to do with jews?

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This diary should be preserved (none / 0) (#4)
by New Me on Sat Dec 03, 2005 at 12:33:45 PM EST

It is perhaps the our only chance of seeing a Baldrson entry in which he isn't trolling.
Now I have truly seen everything

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Looking back over his prior entries (none / 0) (#6)
by Baldrson on Sat Dec 03, 2005 at 01:47:16 PM EST

It turns out that Carmack is trying swirl injectors but he hasn't tried moving the oxygen to the outside of the fuel, nor has he tried swirling both fluids the same direction to maximize the centrifugal merging of the uncombusted gasses. Here's the entry where he mentions swirl injectors:
"I want to repeat the test again, but early results show that swirled fuel and non-swirled lox works well, while counter-swirled fuel and lox ran fairly rough. This back-to-back test was with somewhat too-large injection holes (1/16"), so the counter-swirl may still work well with a higher injector drop"

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Swirl Combustion for Carmacks Throatless Rocket? | 18 comments (18 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)
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