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How to rip from vinyl or tape

By mcgrew in Technology
Wed Sep 15, 2004 at 10:28:34 AM EST
Tags: Music (all tags)
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So, you have five hundred tapes and albums of the Beatles, Led Zeppelin, and the like, and want then on your computer? Well, you could spend hundreds of dollars replacing music you already paid for once with CDs. Or, instead of paying twenty bucks per album, you could spend twenty cents per album to convert your tapes and vinyl to CD and rip those. Read more for how.

Also, the instructions below will allow you to defeat any copy protection. Period. Just substitute "cheap CD walkman" for "stereo." Caution- doing this in the United Statesor other parts of the world may be a felony. Those in less corrupt, more civilized parts of the world need not fear.

Or alternately, you can make CDs of your own band.


Now, in many if not most cases you will not quite have the quality of CD you would have had if you had simply spent the money on brand new CDs. However, in some cases you can actually have a better quality CD than you can buy! This is because in a few cases, excellent audio engineers took great pains to make the LP sound as good as it possibly could. When remastered, these exceptional quality albums must have the treble tones attenuated to minimize the aliasing distortion. This causes the bass to be too loud, so that, too, must be attenuated. CDs simply do not have the undistorted frequency response of a quality cassette recorded on a good tape deck, which can record frequencies up to 18 khz. Vinyl is even better, with a frequency response high enough that they modulated music with a 44KHZ tone to make "quadrophonic" four channel stereo in the 1970s.

Led Zepplin's "Presence" lacks presence on the CD. Sample your own and you get the presence back- along with a noticable alias. But it still sounds better than the factory model.

To sample cassettes, you need only a cassette deck. If you don't have a good one, do not buy a new deck! Newer cassette decks sound terrible, some with frequency responses that don't go up past 3khz or down below 500hz. Even though its head will likely be a little worn, a used deck from the height of analog (1970-1980) will still sound better than the cheap junk they sell these days.

To sample vinyl, you will need a turntable and a preamp. The reason is if you plug a quality turntable directly into your sound card, you will have a very low volume, very tinny signal. This is because of a technology known as the "RIAA rolloff," which was a kind of "dolby" for turntables used long before Dolby patented the process. Bass tones need to be amplified, and the treble tones need to be attenuated. A good stereo reciever from the 1970s or 1980s will accomplish this for you.

If you have no equipment, you can usually find it in pawn shops or used record stores. It is seldom very expensive. I bought a used German made Dual turntable (with its tone arm supported by a 4 point gimbal, like a ship's compass) in town for fifty dollars. This same model sold for several hundred dollars when new.

You will, of course, need a computer with a sound card with an auxillary input. The make of the computer and its operating system do not matter, although for our example we will use a Windows computer. You will also need software to sample the music with. I use a program called Exact Audio Copy, a free program you can download from the above link. Although, as I said, you can use any computer, OS, or sampling program, the step by step instructions presented here apply to EAC on Windows.

Now that you have the hardware and software, it's time to connect the hardware. There are a few different ways you can do it.

You will need a stereo cable with RCA plugs (or a din plug if that's what your stereo uses) on one end, and a 1/8 inch stereo plug on the other end for plugging into your sound card. This often comes with your sound card, but if not, you can buy one at any electroniucs store (Radio Shack, Circut City, Best Buy, etc).

The 1/8th inch stereo plug goes into your computer's AUX IN jack. If your stereo has tape inputs and outputs, connect the other end to its tape output (often marked "record"). If you do not have a tape output, you can use your stereo's AUX OUT plug. If it has neither, you can buy an adaptor and use its headphone jack. Only use the headphone jack as a last resort!

Now that your hardware is all set up, start your software. From here on in, we aill assume you are using EAC (it's free), although again, any software should do.

First, start the volume control program. In it (example here is Windows) select "Options," then "Properties." make sure the correct input is checked for display, and under "Adjust volume for" select "Recording" and click "OK". On the "recording" control, "Mute" is replaced with "select". Make sure the correct input is selected (Line In or Aux, depending on which one you plugged your stereo into).

Start EAC, and under its "Tools" menu, select "Record WAV". A dialog with buttons and a level meter will come up. Click "Select Target File Name" (everything else is disabled). Give your recording a name (the default is "Record.wav") and choose where the file will be stored.

Before you actually start recording, you will probably want two records from whoever you are sampling, as you can usually fit two LPs on a single CD.

Now, find the loudest passage on your album and adjust the volume to get the meter as close to zero as possible without going over zero. If you go over zero, you will introduce very, very ugly "clipping" distortion, just like recording to tape.

Some people put the volume well below zero. This is nearly as much of a mistake as letting it go over zero, as the lower the volume, the more aliasing. If you record your album at half volume, you have essentially recorded it in eight bits rather than sixteen. You want it as close as you can get to zero without going over.

Now that the volume is set, rewind the tape (if you are using tape). Then, click the "Start Record" button on EAC, and start your album. Unlike a tape recorder, if you mess up the beginning, you don't have to start the recording over- simply start the record over. You will need to delete some silent sections later anyway.

When the first side is done, turn your album over and play the other side. Don't stop the recording! When this is done, start the second album, if you are putting two albums on one CD. When you are done recording, click "Stop Record" and then "OK" in EAC's recording dialog.

Next, from EAC's "Tools" menu, select "Process WAV". Select the file you just finished recording.

Now, highlight any blank parts and delete them (Edit, Delete Selection).

Then save the file, and select "Cue Sheet" from the menu, then "Create Cue Sheet".

You could select "generate cue sheet," but often this will miss some track starts. My preferance is to select track starts manually. Zoom into where a song ends (there will usually be a gap in the waveform, although not always). Place your cursor between the two songs on the waveform display, and click "Cue Sheet," "insert," then "track start" for the beginning of each song.

Then save your wave file (File, Save) and your cue sheet (Cue Sheet, Save Cue Sheet). Close the wave editor, and from EAC's menu select "Tools," "Write CDR." A dialog to write a CD will open.

Select "File," then "Load Cue Sheet." select the cue sheet you just saved.

From here, you can add more .wav files as tracks if you wish, or just select "CDR", "Write CD". If your music pretty much fills the CD, tell it to close the CD when done. If you're only putting a single album on it, leave the CD open and you can add a multisession volume to it with MP3s, HTML, pictures, or whatever. However, EAC only does audio- you will have to use whatever software came with your burner to add the computer-only files.

When it has finished, you will have a more or less CD quality CD, depending on your source. But we're not done yet- we still don't have any MP3s.

Now, for ripping MP3s I like a different program, CDex, although we'll continue with EAC for now. Open a web browser, go to Google, and search for "'band name' discography". When you find a track listing for your album, copy and paste into the proper fields in EAC or CDex (or whatever your favorite ripping program is). To change "Track 1" to the proper song title, just click on it and it will allow you to paste the real song name in.

Highlight all the songs, then click the "MP3" button. Your CD will then produce an MP3 of each song, with properly formatted ID3 tags.

Your MP3s will have every bit of quality as any MP3 of the same bitrate that was ripped from a twenty dollar factory CD. Your CD may well have even better quality than that factory CD! You've saved a little money, and had a little geeky fun in the process, as well.

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How to rip from vinyl or tape | 140 comments (112 topical, 28 editorial, 3 hidden)
Alternative (3.00 / 10) (#2)
by jmzero on Mon Sep 13, 2004 at 12:40:37 PM EST

If you're ripping from cassette tape (eeeuggh!), you might want to use specialized tape ripping software like Kazaa or Bittorrent.  There is some legal disputes around these softwares, as they can apparently also function without the cassette.  

However, it seems to me that being in possession of the LP or cassette might assuage whatever ethical (if not legal) concerns you may have about using said software.

As to LP, I recommend going along with the author - although you're going to want a very good setup and quality components if you intend to get a workable result.
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Technical nit. (3.00 / 4) (#3)
by gordonjcp on Mon Sep 13, 2004 at 12:45:00 PM EST

RIAA compensation is not a kind of noise reduction. It's because if you move a magnet past a coil of wire, the faster you move the magnet, the higher the voltage you get. Therefore, a high-frequency signal will give a higher output voltage for a given deviation than a low frequency signal. Moving magnet pickups can produce some ridiculously high voltages at high frequency.

Ceramic pickups used to be common, and didn't exhibit this effect. They sounded crap, though.

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why rip vinyl? (1.57 / 7) (#11)
by dimaq on Mon Sep 13, 2004 at 04:03:23 PM EST

you should rip the form/press/stamper they used to create the vynil. or the tape they used in mastering. or something.

ripping something you have bought in a shop just like millions other fools is just so uncool.

Fair Dealing (2.66 / 3) (#18)
by freestylefiend on Mon Sep 13, 2004 at 05:46:07 PM EST

In the UK, format shifting is not covered by fair dealing. It requires the permission of the copyright holder, so we break the law when we do this. This is not just the case for corrupt discs and was the case before the EUCD.

Why rip CDs, rather than just encoding what you capture from the cassette or LP?

Almost good (none / 1) (#22)
by 123456789 on Mon Sep 13, 2004 at 06:41:43 PM EST

Remove off-topic comments (such as your views of American and European nations, your views of best software to use, etc.) and you have a winner. I don't know who actually needs these instructions, but I guess k5 is a "general" audience, and I guess "general" includes liberal arts majors who need this kind of assistance.

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Next HOW-TO: (2.50 / 4) (#23)
by Esspets on Mon Sep 13, 2004 at 07:10:57 PM EST

HOW-TO convert from diapers to toilets.


Desperation.
What is a good program for doing this under Linux? (none / 0) (#32)
by jope on Mon Sep 13, 2004 at 08:15:43 PM EST

Would have been interesting to hear about good free programs that do this and run under Linux or maybe MacOS.

I have a Nakamichi (2.00 / 3) (#34)
by CaptainSuperBoy on Mon Sep 13, 2004 at 09:40:49 PM EST

And I still don't rip tapes. It's just a whole lot of hassle. I have a manly 20 year old Nakamichi but I don't trust analog, and I don't trust my crappy onboard sound chipset. Even with a very good tape deck you can't hope to approach the studio quality of a CD. And with a poor tape deck you'll get a lot of hiss, of course.

Dead shows and other taper-friendly live shows aren't worth ripping because you can get shows via BitTorrent that were converted straight from DAT. There is no reason to introduce analog if you don't have to. As for albums, I guess it's up to you. I can't tell a CD from a 128kbps MP3, but I can hear the difference between a CD and a 30 year old LP of Blonde on Blonde that's been run through a $20 Crystal Sound chip with a mini plug.

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pointless? (2.80 / 5) (#36)
by scatbubba on Mon Sep 13, 2004 at 10:00:18 PM EST

If the end result is to have music on your computer in mp3 form that matches your vinly collection, just go download the mp3s that you feel you have a right to possess.

Software for Linux (3.00 / 2) (#43)
by Mtrix on Tue Sep 14, 2004 at 03:15:43 AM EST

I've been ripping vinyl for some time now under Linux, and here's what I use:
  • Kernel 2.4.something with low latency patches
  • arecord for the actual recording (I believe it's in the alsa-tools or alsa-utils package on Gentoo.) It should already be installed if you use ALSA.
  • Gnome Wave Cleaner to remove crackles and pops. You can find it here.
  • wavbreaker to split the big wav's into small wav's. Find it here.
  • normalize to get a similar volume as my other CD's when I finally burn what I ripped to CD (If I just burn them without normalizing they will have a much lower volume than my other CD's.). Get it here, or, if you run Gentoo, just "emerge normalize".
  • For burning I use K3b.
My soundcard is a Midiman/M-Audio Audiophile 2496. I've not yet tried with kernel 2.6.x, but I suspect I will get xruns. Maybe someone could enlighten me on how 2.6 will perform when recording.

I call bullshit (3.00 / 11) (#44)
by xL on Tue Sep 14, 2004 at 03:48:24 AM EST

You were almost making the right point when you mentioned that LPs can sound better because the recordings were mastered for LP. Then you screwed it up by mentioning the "better frequency response" of tape and vinyl. Get a grip, they generally don't. Both tape and vinyl suffer the same problems:
  • Analog media add dynamic compression to the audio. This is why the same master recording sounds like it has more oomph when pressed on vinyl when compared to the version on CD. It took a while for audio engineers to realize this when the audio CD became a new medium. Modern records are mastered for CD, so extra compression is added at the end of the mix to compensate.
  • Higher frequencies get masked by noise. Audio engineers compensated for this by attenuating the higher ends of the spectrum when mastering. This is why CD releases of albums mastered for Vinyl sound "too sharp" or "too sterile": There's too much high to compensate for a deficiency that is not there.
The fact that you can rip this music and, according to your own perception, it still sounds better than the CD version should give you an insight into your fallacy: You just demonstrated that is not a limitation of digital audio that keeps you from this better sound, but rather the fact that the CD version lacks an extra step of sound processing that was part of the 'engineered' sound of the record: The record player. Digitize the output of this analog 'playback' and you have a digital recording that sounds "just as good" as your analogue original, ruling out any matters of "better frequency response" or "better dynamic range".

For those on OS X (none / 0) (#51)
by caek on Tue Sep 14, 2004 at 03:01:12 PM EST

Wanting to do the same, this excellent series of articles on ATPM will be of interest. (Links to parts 2 and 3 are at the bottom of the page, just above the comments).

Without any post-processing it'd sound terrible (3.00 / 3) (#53)
by nusuth on Tue Sep 14, 2004 at 06:36:39 PM EST

Record with highest sample rate possible on your sound card. If that is lower than 32 bit floating point samples, 48kHz sampling rate, upsample it. Slice to tracks. DON'T erase silent parts yet. Your tracks should start with the familiar hiss of old cassettes.

Get tryout version of adobe audition. If you have cooledit 2000 or cooledit pro, those will do too.

(It has been a while since I've done this so I might be misremembering names of options and menus.) Eliminate DC bias. Select the initial hiss part and get the noise profile, then reduce noise on whole recording using that profile (you might have to RTFM.) Now you can get rid of silent parts;  audition can do that for you. Eliminate clips if you failed to set volume just right and normalize volume to something sensible like %95. Frequency response is already fucked up, so equalize per taste (IIRC there was a preset for cassette digitization.) Downsample to 16 bits & 44kHz. Enjoy.

If you are too lazy, forget about working with each track one by one, upsampling, normalizing, equalizing and downsampling. Just eliminate bias, get noise profile from somewhere in the middle of the recording and reduce noise. Well worth the effort.

-1, obvious (1.50 / 2) (#56)
by I Am Jacks Severed Testicles on Tue Sep 14, 2004 at 10:10:42 PM EST

Plus it does not cover the post-processing necessary to ensure that your rips do not sound like utter shite.

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WHAT the FUCK? Hold on here a damn minute (1.33 / 3) (#57)
by RandomLiegh on Tue Sep 14, 2004 at 10:16:17 PM EST

..are you seriously going to tell me that 128kb mp3s sound worse or the same as casettes? because I'm listening to mp3s of shit I have on casette and my ear says you're full of shit.

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EQ (3.00 / 2) (#58)
by the77x42 on Tue Sep 14, 2004 at 11:03:32 PM EST

The most important part in ripping vinyl is the proper setting of the equalizer. I run my vinyl through my mixer and set the EQ on there before recording directly from the REC-OUT into my laptop. Usually the low-end needs a lot of beefing up for older vinyl and adjusting the trim properly can give it an edgier feel.

Your article doesn't address this and merely tells newbies how to rip their shitty Nirvana tapes, which they can easily download off BT or Kazaa. Post something us nerds can use. -1


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To rip vinyl... (none / 1) (#60)
by EraseMe on Wed Sep 15, 2004 at 02:12:02 AM EST

...just do this.

Small technical error (3.00 / 5) (#69)
by wji on Wed Sep 15, 2004 at 12:00:46 PM EST

If you record your album at half volume, you have essentially recorded it in eight bits rather than sixteen. You want it as close as you can get to zero without going over.
Not quite. 8 bits encode 256 distinct volume levels, 16 bits encode 16,384. By recording at half volume you use 8,192 of those levels, or 15 bits worth. To reduce your dynamic range to 8 bit equivalence, you'd have to record like 18 dB below max. Mind you, you might be able to find ranges almost that great in classical albums, though the gods of pop recording have in their wisdom determined that all passages of all songs must sound equally loud.

I think you have to be some kind of olympic record holder to tell the difference between 15 and 16 bit audio -- I can only just tell the difference between well-noise-shaped 10 bit sound and 16 bit sound, but I have below average hearing. Heck, unless I go out of my way to listen for swishy stereo sounds in the treble band, most 128kbit MP3 sounds CD-quality to me.

Disclaimer: I am not an audio engineer, so there's a fair chance that some or all of this comment is wrong.

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Snap, crackle, hiss... (none / 0) (#70)
by omiKron on Wed Sep 15, 2004 at 12:38:58 PM EST

Hmm, no mention at all of cleaning up unfortunate skips, pop, crackle, hiss, etc? I'm certainly no expert but I was getting mighty ticked when I began to record my old wax to the computer and kept coming up with intolerable problems such as what I mention. I've not been able to find any kind of tutorial on how best to reduce this kind of thing and all the experiments I did with "vinyl noise" and other such plug-ins were completely unsatisfactory.

In the end I just started to use the pencil tool in sound forge and touched up important songs manually. Someone's probably going to call me on this for doing it the wrong way, but like I said, I never found a method that worked - if you've got one, please share. Until then, I'll describe what I've been doing... it's fairly simple - you load your file into soundforge and go zooming in on each little artifact you want to clean up. Getting the big ones is easy - smaller ones can be tough. Zoom in real close until you can see the actual points of the wave, bust out your pencil tool, and try to get the waveform in the affected area to look like similar areas nearby. Usually you can find a trend and just try to emulate the look of it. It helps to hold down the shift key when a pop occurs in a mostly silent area. Also zoom in on the wave height to get more detail of what kinds of patterns may be hiding in what appears to be near-silence.

Maybe this is bad, I don't know. I just end up with music that is listenable after I'm done. Some normalizing, noise reduction throughout, and clipping the song down to proper size, and I'm done. It's good to have a full binder of vinyl rips on CD handy in case anything happens to my collection, I figure.

If there's a better way to do this all, by all means, let me know.
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LOL (3.00 / 3) (#77)
by chbm on Wed Sep 15, 2004 at 06:04:01 PM EST

"CDs simply do not have the undistorted frequency response of a quality cassette recorded on a good tape deck, which can record frequencies up to 18 khz."

Good one. However, the fact you consistently write kHz wrong throught the article tells me you're just pissing at the wind and I'll refrain from mocking you.

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This is only really useful... (none / 1) (#96)
by failrate on Wed Sep 15, 2004 at 11:38:45 PM EST

...if it's an album or EP that was never released on CD, which is actually quite a considerable number...
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Hugely inaccurate (2.85 / 7) (#103)
by Contact on Thu Sep 16, 2004 at 10:58:41 AM EST

There are so many technical inaccuracies in this article I don't know where to start. I'm shocked that it hasn't already been demolished by someone, and I honestly don't have the time to go through it point by point, but although the actual ripping instructions may be accurate, the "technical background" is near delusional.

Examples:

This is because in a few cases, excellent audio engineers took great pains to make the LP sound as good as it possibly could. When remastered, these exceptional quality albums must have the treble tones attenuated to minimize the aliasing distortion. This causes the bass to be too loud, so that, too, must be attenuated.

Totally incorrect. Vinyl is actually limited in the frequencies it can handle (deep bass can actually cause the needle to "jump the groove", for example) while CD can provide a flat frequency response out to 20kHz+. CDs are often remastered when re-released to take advantage of the extra frequency range. That someone would take the vinyl master and roll off the treble and bass - I have no idea how you could have acquired such an idea.

CDs simply do not have the undistorted frequency response of a quality cassette recorded on a good tape deck, which can record frequencies up to 18 khz.

CD can go up to (theoretically) 22 kHz with a flat frequency response and minimal (> 90 dB) distortion, while almost no tape deck setups can match the frequency responses you're claiming here (certainly not any prerecorded tapes, which are normally run out of loop bins at ultra high speeds, and sound drastically worse than even the vinyl version).

Newer cassette decks sound terrible, some with frequency responses that don't go up past 3khz or down below 500hz. Even though its head will likely be a little worn, a used deck from the height of analog (1970-1980) will still sound better than the cheap junk they sell these days.

Is this a joke? 500 Hz - 3kHz is less than one octave! Such a tape deck couldn't even convey intelligible speech... this is a joke, right? I'm hardly a tape fan (listening purely to digital, these days, unless on a retro vinyl kick) but modern tape decks with technology like HX Pro will demolish the technology of twenty years ago. What next, you're going to recommend wax cylinders for the ultimate in high quality reproduction?

If you go over zero, you will introduce very, very ugly "clipping" distortion, just like recording to tape.

Actually, it'll be much worse than that. Tape has a certain amount of leeway when recording (effectively, it goes non linear), and small amounts of overloading can make the sound fatter (which is why some recording studios are still working with analogue tape for a warmer sound). Effectively it provides a simple form of compression (in the audio sense, rather than the data sense).

If you overload digital, on the other hand, the sound will be absolutely terrible, as digital has no leeway at all.

Some people put the volume well below zero. This is nearly as much of a mistake as letting it go over zero, as the lower the volume, the more aliasing.

Hmm. You don't actually know what "aliasing" means, do you? This is the second time you've used it incorrectly... aliasing occurs when you attempt to store a frequency which is more than half that of the sampling rate (ie - trying to record a 23 kHz tone on a sampler running at 44.1 kHz). It's effectively distortion in the frequency domain, and is indicated by atonal frequencies appearing in the spectrum below the midpoint. (If you're curious as to why, look up Nyquist's theorem).

You're correct that you want to get as loud a signal as possible to disk, but that's because the more bits that are used, the higher the potential signal to noise ratio. A 16 bit CD has a potential SNR of 96 dB - if you only record up to 25% of full volume, you're effectively wasting two bits, reducing your SNR to 84 dB. It's worth bearing in mind, though, that neither vinyl nor tape come anywhere close to 96 dB anyway (normally well under 70dB), so if you're using those as a source, it doesn't matter that much.

Your article was quite a good introduction to the techniques of recording, but I wish you'd left out the (almost all wrong) technical information.

Don't Use Your Soundcard (none / 1) (#104)
by birdsong on Thu Sep 16, 2004 at 11:37:02 AM EST

My goodness, computers are crazily noisy inside, why would you want to use your soundcard to do this? It's going to introduce all sorts of noise. Get an external analog to digital converter and send the signal into digital soundcard which does not remaster input. Using the procedure outlined here is about as far from professional as you can get.

Allocating Disk Space Before Recording (none / 0) (#131)
by freestylefiend on Mon Sep 20, 2004 at 01:09:18 PM EST

I use GoldWave on Windows to record sound. I have tried other programs, but I return to GoldWave because it allows me to create a specified length of silence to record over.

This is particularly useful to me because I sometimes decide to record long stretches of sound when I don't have much free hard disk space. Sometimes, when using FAT filesystems, I have found myself unable to use all of my free space to record a single piece of sound. (Is this due to fragmentation)? In such cases, if disk space was allocated on the fly, rather than beforehand, then recording would stop without prior warning. When using GoldWave, I can address problems of insufficient available disk space before I start recording. (I also insist on recording to hard disk because it often allows me to recover irreplacable audio from temporary files after a crash during or after capture).

Does anybody know of an open source audio capture tool for unix that has this feature?

Several corrections.. (none / 1) (#133)
by mindstrm on Tue Sep 21, 2004 at 08:15:18 PM EST

There are some good points in here.. however, there are some rather bad errors.

I won't get into the Vinly -vs- CD Debate.. as it's sure to start a war, but it's safe to say that the claims made about vinyl here as being so vastly and obviously superior to CD are simply not true.  You claim that vinyl has such superior frequency response, and then in the same article mention how you need a special preamp for vinyl that enhances bass and attenuates treble... something with good frequency response does not NEED processing like that.  

Vinyl may be superior in some aspects.. but not like you've made it here.

Casette tapes are absolutely NOT superior to CD in any way, period.  They do not have the same frequency response or dynamic range... and this stuff about a new tape deck having a response of 3khz?  you woudln't even be able to understand simple speech on that... that's bs.

CDs have a flat response all the way up to around 22Khz... and tapes have only 18Khz, as you said yourself... and CDs have far better dynamic range. how are tapes better?

Recording something at half volume in digital is not the same as recording at 8 bit.  Half volume would be 15 bit instead of 16 bit... remember, eacha bit doubles the amplitude.

Aliasing - I do not think this word means what you think it means. Aliasing happens when you try to record a frequency that is more than half the sample rate.

Further -  You should mention what audio settings to use for the recording.. what format, compressed or not, how many bits per channel, etc, and what the options are.

Further - How about some information on post-processing... there are good tools out there for digitizing vinyl that can remove pops and clicks, and you can remove tape hiss quite nicely.

An internal sound card is possibly the worst capture device possible.. if you want good recordings, get something external.

"This is because in a few cases, excellent audio engineers took great pains to make the LP sound as good as it possibly could. When remastered, these exceptional quality albums must have the treble tones attenuated to minimize the aliasing distortion."

Originals are on half inch tape, or similar... very high quality analog recordings, far higher than vinyl or casette tapes.  They do not have the rolloff and whatnot of vinyl.  Properly re-masterd onto CD this stuff will sound just fine, and arguably closer to the original than vinyl can get.
Why would they have to attenuate treble going from master tapes to 44Khz digital?  You use a 21Khz low-pass filter, of course, or you do get aliasing.. but you can't hear that stuff anyway...

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