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Journal of a Schizophrenic

By fsh in Culture
Fri Feb 13, 2004 at 09:48:43 AM EST
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Schizophrenia is one of the most widely spread psychological disorders around, and its sufferers show a wide assortment of symptoms, sometimes easily coped with, sometimes not. Studies have shown that in any given hospital as many as 1 in 5 patients suffer from some form of schizophrenia.

Nationwide, approximately 1% of the US population is schizophrenic.


Here's a breakdown of the main symptoms. Most people will suffer from a few of these, while the bad cases involve many.

1) Social Dysfunction - lack of interest in social groups, friendships
2) Sexual Dysfunction - lack of interest in sexual relationships
3) Emotional Dysfunction - lack of expression, monotone voice
4) Hallucination - most commonly auditory, ie hearing voices (very rarely visual)
5) Inappropriate Responses - laughing at bad news, or crying at a joke
6) Delusions - of grandeur, or more commonly of persecution.

I first started hearing voices when I lived in Chapel Hill, NC, right beside the UNC campus (up the hill from the Dean Dome for any basketball afficianados). I lived in a great big house with 6 other people, and there was a pool table in the garage. No one else was around - I'd always liked being by myself a little - when I heard someone call my name. I looked around and didn't see anyone; I walked outside and couldn't find anyone. I chalked it up to overactive imagination and went back to the table.

Over the next several days I heard my name called out several more times. This isn't terribly unusual for me, as my name is very common. The unusual part is that it only happened when I knew I was alone, never when other people were around.

A week went by, and I was again practicing at the pool table, when I heard the voice.

It: I can help
Me: Who the fuck are you anyway?
It: We are the same, we are together
Me: I am me. I don't know what you are.
It: Trust is important
Me: Trust and respect are earned.
It: At least we have a chance. Perhaps we will talk again
Now I've read many science fiction and fantasy books where the lead character has a mental companion, a voice in his head, and I always thought that it would be so incredibly cool. The reality was terrifying. When this exchange was done, I was breathing like I had just run a marathon, and for the rest of the day, as my roommates began to come home, I couldn't help but think they were somehow the cause of it, maybe a speaker in the garage, a candid camera moment.

It: Can we talk?
Me: I'm a little busy right now.
It: Of course.
The house was old, and my closet wall showed the pencil marks where the original owners had marked the heights of their children, dating back to 1942. Two sets of marks went up to over three feet over ten years, but one set stopped early. I became convinced that the voice was a ghost of the house, and, coming to terms with that, I resolved to contact it again.

Me: Are you real?
Me: Are you even there?
I didn't hear the voice for almost a week, and had chalked it up to a bored mind, or an overactive imagination. Out in the garage one day, I heard my name again.

Me: Jesus H. Christ, I need to see a shrink.
It: That's not necessary. We could play some pool, and talk. Not out loud, please.
Me: .... Are you really there? Prove it - tell me something I don't know.
It: That's not how it works. We share the same physical body, we have the same hippocampus, the same brain; the same memories. We think differently, act differently.
Me: Then how can we play a game of pool?
It: It will be very difficult. Set up the table, take a shot, and then step back. I promise that I will step back after the game.
Me: No way. This is insane.
There is no way for me to describe the fear I felt when I heard the voice offer to play pool with me. Until that point, I was sure that it was just some subconscious part of my imagination toying with me, but when I heard that, I was *sure*, absolutely one hundred percent positive that I was talking to something outside of myself. I was mortified, and so I ignored it.

Over the next several weeks I heard the voice every once in a while, but always in the house, when I was by myself. I became used to it, looked forward to it on occasion. I started playing pool with it. We would play a regular game of eight ball, me with the right hand and the voice with the left. I had never shot with my left hand before, but the voice won as often as not. I thought the voice was a house ghost at one point, which explained why I never heard it outside the house. Listening to Harry Chapin (Cat's in the Cradle) one night, I was convinced the voice was Harry Chapin's ghost, and over the next few months worked out a theory of ghosts.

The Mechanism of Soul Tranfer
An Executive Summary

When you die, you detatch from your body, but bodies have strong pulls for ghosts. Many people are voyeurs, so they would be keen to watch other people making love. If there was a conception when that happened, the newly formed body would pull the ghost in. If you managed to avoid that pitfall, however, you could zoom wherever you wanted, all over the world, to the moon, through the universe. Limited only by your own conception of speed. This, then is the second pitfall; once you've checked out the black hole at the center of the galaxy, how could you possibly find your way back home? The third pitfall is, of course, evil ghosts intent on enslaving you or destroying you.

This is an excerpt from the spiral notebook, about halfway through. I had pages and pages of this, all my arguments hinged together and linked like a Faberge Egg, beautiful and soft and glowing. Except that it made no sense whatsoever. I also quit my job as store manager for a local retail computer store, convinced that the management hated me. I began working at a Waldenbooks, barely paying the bills, eating into my savings for alcohol and marijuana.

*crack*, tick tick tick
Me: Hey, it's your shot....
Me: Oh, well.
I never completely finished the Mechanism, but while I worked on it, I didn't hear the voice. Once I stopped working on it, though, I started to become more interested in the voice, trying to get it to come back. Finally, one day at the pool table, I decided to let the 'ghost' take control of my body. I closed my eyes, and took a step back from the pool table. The tension flowed out of my shoulders, and the pool stick switched from the right to the left hand.
Me: Are you left-handed?
It: We are mostly ambi-dextrous. But it will simplify matters, help us separate, if one shoots right handed and the other shoots left.
Me: But you know how to play? Did you play in a past life or something?
It: .... We share our memories. We play pool about the same.
Me: Prove it.
It: 1 ball off the 4, side pocket, left handed. *crack* tick, drop
I grew more and more interested in the voice, to the extent that I had almost no dealings with other people, rarely talking to my roommates or coworkers.
Me: Hey, are you there?
Me: Do you have a name?
Alcohol and other mind altering drugs tend to exacerbate mental problems, and schizophrenia is no exception. I was in my room playing video games one evening, smoking marijuana from a little glass bong.
It: Ahh, this is nice. This place, it's easier to talk.
Me: Hey, you're back! This place? You mean my room?
It: No, it's something else....
Me: Probably the reefer.
It: Ahh.... What are we doing?
Me: Playing GoldenEye. I've been trying to beat this level for days.
It: May I try?
Me: How do I know you won't take over my body?
It: Like you're doing?
Me: It's *my* body!
It: It's our body. And I can take over if I want to.
At this point my eyes closed, and I went slack. I tried to scream, but it echoed in the back of my head. I wanted to control my body, but the voice told me not to. My arms stayed straight out in front of me, holding the controller. The voice commanded me to let go of the controller, and I did. The noise of the plastic clattering on the hard wood floor broke the spell; I jumped out of the chair and ran out of the house, into the woods. I went straight into the university, down to Franklin Street, with people everywhere. I found a corner seat at the Groundhog Inn, crawled in, and drank and drank and drank.

I did everything I could over the next several days to keep people around me, and stay out of the house. Mostly drank at the Groundhog. I kept thinking about what happened, though, and finally resolved to try to talk to the voice again, see if we could work things out between us. I went back to the pool table.

Me: Are you there?
Me: I want to talk about what happened the other night. If people notice that there's two people inside my head, we could hit some trouble. Maybe we could figure out some way to work this, lay down some rules.
It: We could see a psychologist
Me: But if they diagnose us with something, they might lock us up. Or try to fix us. Who knows if the end result will be me, you, or something else. I'd prefer to fix this so you and I can live 'normal' lives.
It: Agreed. But why do we need rules?
Me: Because this terrifies me. I can't help but think someday you'll take over, or something else will move in and take over, and I'll never be heard from again.
It: How do you know that this isn't part of the normal human experience? Maybe you're growing, and the young you is dying, and the old you is moving in to take over.
Me: I don't believe that for a second. I think we're both mature, and stable in our own ways. This just scares the piss out of me.
It: Everything scares you
Me: I know.
Me: But why?
It: Lack of center. Lack of statistical normal, the center around which everything turns. We are so abnormal that there is no place to start from, no way to lead a normal life when you can't point a finger and say, 'Now that's normal'.
Soon after this exchange, I quit my job at the book store, just walked out. I moved out of Chapel Hill a week later, just up and left everything behind, my roommates, my coworkers. Running away from a voice in my head. I moved in with my brother and found a job at a restaurant, a bar and grill where I was paid enough to cover my bills, and got half price on food and liquor. I never heard the voice again, although I still hear my name called out from time to time.

I say I hear a voice calling my name, but that's not quite what it is. It's more like that spark of recognition in your head just after someone calls your name, the realization that someone is talking to you. It's like you're reading a book or playing a game, and someone calls your name two or three times before you realize. You heard them the first two times, but the spark of realization hits the third time. That's what I mean when I say I hear my name from time to time.

Looking back on my journal these days is quite frankly disturbing. I've managed to detect these thought patterns now, see when I'm starting to steer toward delusion, but it's just so easy sometimes. One year ago I was convinced that I was embroiled in a vicious turf war at work, how everything everyone said there was precisely calculated to incriminate someone else to greater or lesser degree. I even convinced myself that someone had broken into my bookbag, which has a tiny keylock on it, and read through my journal. They had discovered all my most private thoughts, even those I hadn't written down, so they could use them against me. And it all started because someone said something that sounded a little bit like something I had written the day before in my journal.

Sometimes, I confess, I do miss the voice. I suppose it's difficult to have a more meaningful metaphysical conversation than with someone in your own head. And true: I don't have very many friends; I spend very little time with my family; I've never had a girlfriend or a boyfriend. But the thing is, I wouldn't have it any other way. I live in my books, through my writing, and because of my ideas. While I am often alone, I am very rarely lonely.

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Journal of a Schizophrenic | 194 comments (178 topical, 16 editorial, 5 hidden)
I don't think you're schizophrenic (1.80 / 5) (#6)
by pyramid termite on Thu Feb 12, 2004 at 04:52:46 PM EST

I think that "voice" in your head is a part of yourself you're not listening to. If you ever hear it again, you should ask it what it wants and why.

One year ago I was convinced that I was embroiled in a vicious turf war at work, how everything everyone said there was precisely calculated to incriminate someone else to greater or lesser degree.

Heh. And why do you consider this a paranoid delusion? You've just described my workplace and many others.

On the Internet, anyone can accuse you of being a dog.
This is really interesting stuff. So... (none / 3) (#13)
by Russell Dovey on Thu Feb 12, 2004 at 06:25:59 PM EST

...how did you realise that you had schizophrenia?

"Blessed are the cracked, for they let in the light." - Spike Milligan

diary of a madman.. -nt- (none / 2) (#15)
by Suppafly on Thu Feb 12, 2004 at 06:42:33 PM EST


---
Playstation Sucks.
We're confused (2.50 / 4) (#16)
by Bill Melater on Thu Feb 12, 2004 at 06:43:02 PM EST

Are you talking out loud during these discussions? And is the other answering using your vocal cords? Or is the other's voice entirely in your head?

If it was entirely internal, did the other have any sort of accent that would differentiate it from the continuous stream of noise most of us have going on in our heads?

And what kind of drugs were you doing at the time?



Let me explain to you what happened (1.07 / 26) (#18)
by psychologist on Thu Feb 12, 2004 at 07:01:00 PM EST

You see, that "voice" in your head is you thinking. Yes, thinking is that thing that people with an IQ above 10 do. I'm glad you have joined us.

Actually, don't fool yourself and believe that you are mentally ill. You are simply imaginative, and have difficulty in letting "background processes" work in your mind.

Don't fool yourself, there is no voice, and you are certainly not special.

Interesting stuff... (2.83 / 6) (#21)
by jmzero on Thu Feb 12, 2004 at 07:08:57 PM EST

It's always tempting when you read this kind of stuff to write it off as fiction because the delusion is "too well-spoken" or something.  

For you doubters (if any), think back to conversations you've had in dreams.  In my dreams, at least, I remember plenty of conversations where the other people behaved and acted in a way not-altogether-different from the voice described in this story.  I've certainly had moments in dreams when I lost control of my body (or lost my body altogether), and I've certainly heard things that surprised me from dream personalities.  

It's easy for me to imagine this happening while awake - although I'm hoping it doesn't.  I don't know whether this is an altogether honest story or not - but I see no particular reason to doubt it.
.
"Let's not stir that bag of worms." - my lovely wife

woah freaky i stopped reading because (1.25 / 3) (#22)
by noogie on Thu Feb 12, 2004 at 07:11:55 PM EST

i thought i might turn schizo or something.

good luck to you both.


*** ANONYMIZED BY THE EVIL KUROFIVEHIN MILITARY JUNTA ***

Come, come (none / 2) (#30)
by fae on Thu Feb 12, 2004 at 08:23:52 PM EST

There comes a point in every man's life where he has to let go of his younger self. You can't run from it.

-- fae: but an atom in the great mass of humanity
You aren't schizo (1.33 / 9) (#32)
by Jonathan Walther on Thu Feb 12, 2004 at 10:54:55 PM EST

Your brain has been inhabited by a demon.  You need an exorcism, but there are very few qualified to do such a thing.  Catholics and Orthodox are idolaters, their exorcisms are ineffective.  Muslims have never been effective at exorcism either.  Find a local Pentecostal or Born-Again Christian group and they'll shower you with love, and have those demons expelled in no time.

(Luke '22:36 '19:13) => ("Sell your coat and buy a gun." . "Occupy until I come.")


+1 (2.00 / 4) (#34)
by JayGarner on Thu Feb 12, 2004 at 11:11:10 PM EST

Glad to hear what Harry Chapin is up to, I really enjoyed his storytelling songs.

hearing voices (2.00 / 4) (#40)
by ljj on Fri Feb 13, 2004 at 12:15:58 AM EST

Hearing a voice speak to you is perhaps a little crazy.
Keeping a journal of everything it says? That's just insane.

--
ljj

+1fp because this is frankly wonderful (none / 2) (#42)
by xutopia on Fri Feb 13, 2004 at 01:30:48 AM EST

if this isn't fictitious I recommend seeking psychiatric counselling. Wow... It was a great read.

I'm glad you're back. (2.66 / 9) (#44)
by left handed fsh on Fri Feb 13, 2004 at 02:12:12 AM EST

Now, where were we?

Development (none / 3) (#45)
by kesuari on Fri Feb 13, 2004 at 04:00:28 AM EST

Hmm... interesting... I didn't realise that the voices held conversations, I thought they either spoke your name, commentated/spoke at you, or ordered you...

Also, I thought hallucinations were essentially indistinguishable from the real feeling except by lucidity, but in one of the comments you say it's an internal voice ... a thought... I'm a little confused... By vocalise, to you mean thinking in words? or actual talking? or subvocalisation (moving  lips/tongue but not actually speaking)? That's the only way I really conciously think, never 'just flow[ing] from idea to idea, image to image'. If it's concious, there's words...

Also, how did it develop? It's my understanding that you can retrospectively notice the development of schitzophrenia before there's any outwardly-psychotic elements; for instance, normally out-going people become reclusive, or they cut their hair off, or their personal hygiene goes downhill, or they begin to develop paranoia. Did you just skip this part? or can't you notice this in yourself?

Non-Fiction (2.90 / 10) (#49)
by fsh on Fri Feb 13, 2004 at 08:31:37 AM EST

A few people have made comments questioning the veracity of this article.  I want to state that this is absolutely true, this is not something I made up.  I, of course, can't change your mind if you've already decided I'm full of shit, but if someone is wondering if this is tongue or cheek, an authors attempt to get inside the mind of a hypothetical schizophrenic, I assure you it is not.  

I admit I have never been diagnosed.  I admit I have never been to a psychologist.  All the information I have about schizophrenia has come off the web, and I was inspired to look in the first place after watching A Beautiful Mind, and, more importantly, reading the book of the same name by Sylvia Nassar, which was far better and closer to the real John Nash than Hollywood's version (understandably).  

I have never shared my thoughts on this with my friends or family, but I have talked about it to a few people who have known schizophrenics.  (Hey, some of my best friends are schizophrenics.... sorry, couldn't resist).  The fact is that many schizophrenics are never diagnosed, the very nature of the condition means that we won't seek help for our condition; almost every web site I checked says that, that it's up to the friends or family to initiate proper care.  

This is why I'm posting now.  I'm in a very lucid state, I've been feeling well for months and months now.  I'm trying to get back into college (I dropped out ten years ago) and I was hoping to either talk to some people or get some advice, which has already started to happen.

-fsh

statistics (none / 2) (#55)
by cronian on Fri Feb 13, 2004 at 09:30:20 AM EST

If by its nature people who have it, don't want to talk about, how can anyone put an upper bound on how many people have it. I suppose you can see how peop;e who have it react, but there could other factors that determine whether the symptoms are discernable. When it is worst, what do you do? Does it make you more or less likely to read, watch TV, etc.?

We perfect it; Congress kills it; They make it; We Import it; It must be anti-Americanism
Longer ... (2.25 / 4) (#58)
by Casioitan on Fri Feb 13, 2004 at 10:02:13 AM EST

You mentioned the story was too long already -- shoot, make it longer. I can tell from your story that you are leaving out certain states. Things that I think people would find interesting. I know I would.

I was diagnosed with Schizophrenia. But the fact that all of my hallucinations were about 99% visual left some questions. Eventually an amazing doctor developed a more evolved diagnosis of acute post-traumatic stress syndrome, with some bipolar spice tossed into the mix for fun (haha!).

Either way: living with such things is not fun at all. Drugs help, sometimes. But they tend to destroy parts of one's personality that one may have grown to like/use. I, personally, would rather be slightly insane than a walking block of wood.

Good article, anyway. Maybe toss in some more details, later. Thanks.



Read Julian Jaynes (2.80 / 5) (#59)
by datamodel on Fri Feb 13, 2004 at 10:35:37 AM EST

"The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind".

Good guy - serious polymath. He has a well developed and researched (but controversial and ultimately untestable) theory about the origin of consciousness, whereby people used to see and hear things all the time (hence stories of Gods, etc). The idea being that at that time mentality was more split (bicameral - two chambered), so the observing "left brain" part would see and hear voices or commands from the executive "right brain" part.

This bicameral mode was once common, but isn't as "functional" as the normal mode, so was eventually supplanted by what we mostly have now. Mostly.

What you described is straight out of his book, if you go for his theory it's a neuroarchaic mode of thought - your "usual" locus of personality lives and talks from your left brain, and normally receives hints, etc. non-verbally, intuitively, etc. from the right side.

Your right side decided to talk, in the old fashioned way. Except in a modern cultural context and quite deferentially - once it might have come as a personal God and made all your decisions, but now executive control is shared, and mostly "yours".

It told you - you share a brain, a body, the same memories and skills, your respective handednesses fit. It thinks it's you, it's your other locus of awareness. I've a feeling Jaynes book might ring some serious bells for you!

Peace,

Martin.

Am I the only one who finds this disturbing? (2.16 / 6) (#60)
by DLWormwood on Fri Feb 13, 2004 at 11:03:13 AM EST

2) Sexual Dysfunction - lack of interest in sexual relationships

What does that say about our society, where if a person has no desire to participate in the various indignities that our culture has burdened on romantic activity, that you are branded as "sick?"

I've never expressed much public interest in sexual behavior, since our culture (well, USian culture...) has made such a shambles of ancient concepts like romance, family, and love. One-night stands, media titilation, custody disputes, divorce, taxation law, marriage "licensing," the English language's lumping of 8 or so different concepts of affection into just one overly abused word... it's all a complete mess.

Even Valentine's Day, which is coming up, has become an overly commercialized holiday where people are more concerned about chocolates, jewelry, and "getaways" than actual romance.
--
Those who complain about affect & effect on k5 should be disemvoweled

Cartoon (none / 2) (#61)
by Pig Hogger on Fri Feb 13, 2004 at 11:04:35 AM EST

Seen in either an Omni or a Penthouse.

Convention hall, banner reads "AMERICAN ASSOCIATION OF SCHIZOPHRENICS".
Below, lots of people having cocktails, and wearing 2 or 3 name tags.
--

Somewhere in Texas, a village is missing it's idiot

I'm offended (1.66 / 9) (#62)
by CAIMLAS on Fri Feb 13, 2004 at 11:09:48 AM EST

I'm offended that you'd write something like this up as non-fiction, and then have the audacity to edit it as if it were fiction, making serious revisions to the 'flow'. Do you have no sensitivity for those of us who are actually schizophrenic?
--

Socialism and communism better explained by a psychologist than a political theorist.

michaelcrawford (3.00 / 5) (#69)
by circletimessquare on Fri Feb 13, 2004 at 11:34:51 AM EST

where art thou?

Living with Schizoaffective Disorder (Part I)

Living with Schizoaffective Disorder (Part II)

Living with Schizoaffective Disorder (Part III)

The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

Paranoid schizophrenia (none / 3) (#78)
by anderkoo on Fri Feb 13, 2004 at 12:14:50 PM EST

My mother has been paranoid schizophrenic for at least a decade, perhaps much longer (it's hard to tell when these things start), and from the outside in it's a scary thing. Her symptoms are little different from what fsh describes, because I don't think she has separated out the voices or has conversations with them, but she definitely hears voices that she claims are ordering people around her to harrass her. Unlike fsh, she also doesn't acknowledge that she could possibly, in any way, be mentally ill. (fsh: How did you come to face that possibility, btw?) It does sound like fsh has experienced some of the paranoia that often comes with the terrain. (My mother always thought other real estate agents were stealing her business. It is a ruthless industry, so it's impossible for me to tell where fact and fiction diverge).

A lot of the nutty things you see on the Web is probably written by someone suffering from paranoid schizophrenia. This page, in particular, could almost have been written by my mom.

Much luck to you, fsh, in dealing with your situation. I understand your reluctance to seek treatment; from what I understand, many of the medications that can alleviate schizophrenia also have very unhappy side effects.



Multiple Personality Disorder: two or more types? (none / 2) (#79)
by decon recon on Fri Feb 13, 2004 at 12:20:53 PM EST

I am accepting your word that the dual personality experience you recount is a real experience.

Whether that is so or not, this experience is real for some people. There is a lot to say about this.

Perhaps the following might be of help to someone:

Have you read about different types of Multiple Personality Disorder, MPD, which are distinct from schizophrenia?

That is: multiple personality disorder (or dissociative identity disorder) and various types of schizophrenia are distinct processes.

One founder in the field of MPD maintains there are two types of MPD: a dual personality type and a multiple type.  He argues they have different causes.  

This may not pertain to you.  But, you might find this article by a founder of the field of study of MPD very interesting:

Dual Personality, Multiple Personality, Dissociative Identity Disorder - What's in a Name?
http://www.dissociation.com/index/definition/

This article is rather dense with history in the first part. It is worth going through. I'll quote a key passage:

"personally, I came to realize that both MPD and DID can be considered accurate labels, but for two different groups of dissociators. Here is how I now use these acronyms in my writings.

"The key differentiating criteria is the age of the first dissociation, with the seventh birthday being the approximate cut-off point for MPD, and the earliest date for DID to appear. This is the age the child's mind must mature to so that it can "hold it all together" when severely traumatized. After age seven, it may dissociate and form alters, but it will not dissociate into its two component parts, the Intellectual Self (ISH/Essence) and the Emotional Self (Original Personality).

"The concept that the human mind originally consists of two parts is not a clear part of American/European psychological theory. Root words to express this concept do not exist in European languages. Again, "if we don't have a word for it, maybe it doesn't exist."

"But I learned from my foreign friends that root words for these two parts of the mind do exist in Middle Eastern and Oriental languages. My favorite is Japanese, which calls the Intellectual Self the "Risei" and the Emotional Self the "Kanjou." The Japanese recognize that we are constantly switching from being controlled by our Kanjou and being controlled by our emotions, to letting our Risei take over to solve our problems rationally."

End quote.

The above doesn't sound quite like what you described. But, there could be other types of splits or simple multiples that have not been defined.  More on this below.

The root website above recommends discusses differences between MPD, Dissociation, and imaginary playmates.

So.
If you visit psychologist or psychiatrist, you may want to consider contacting the people at the above website for recommendations about a therapist familiar with these distinctions. There is quite a debate about these diagnoses in the literature and as to what is the correct therapy.

Also, I would not dismiss spiritual phenomena outright. But, your experience sounds like it might be related to the dual personality process, based on a possible split in basic functions of personality, described in the above link.

You might enjoy reading about the Integral Institute and University (http://www.integralinstitute.org/), an online scholarly community that discusses theories based in part on ongoing research in integral and transpersonal psychology. Or maybe the more informal Integral Naked site might be interesting: http://www.integralnaked.org/

The thinkers at the Integral Institute base their investigations in part on the work of Ken Wilber and colleagues. They have some very interesting ideas about how to define many more different types of psychological disorder from those used in modern psychology. They theorize that beyond biological disorders, any time the personality reaches a new level of experience/knowledge it can draw back and contract, it can over transcend and get lost or it incompletely integrate.  There are quite a number of different levels of human experience. So, there are many different potential psychological disorders.... Which can be worked through with skilled psychological or psycho-spiritual helpers.

You write well. Thanks for sharing.

I started a new blog, if you want to chat about these things. It is at livejournal.com, user praxes. To use the blog, it's necessary to join livejournal and then drop me a note.

In posts, I'll draw on integral theory sometimes... though it's mostly social justice stuff for now.

Anyway, some advice on school of which I've done too much probably:
just take it one step at a time, a few courses at a time.

Best of luck with school and everything.


Featured Article on Wikipedia (and some advice) (3.00 / 14) (#80)
by Trav42 on Fri Feb 13, 2004 at 12:27:13 PM EST

fsh,

There happens to be a featured article on schizophrenia at the Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia.

Here's a little about me, in case it helps. I was diagnosed with schizoaffective personality disorder in November 2002 and I've been taking medication for it since then (thank God I have a medical plan at work). I was hesistant to get help at first because I figured "this is who I am" and I didn't want other people messing with that.

My big problem before I got help was that I was going through longer and longer periods of low motivation--even for stuff I liked doing and for stuff that was important. I lost every job I ever got. For years I kept telling myself to snap out of it and to stop being lazy. I thought it was only a matter of willpower. In between these "down phases" I was a good worker and I got all kinds of stuff done--learning new languages, reading all kinds of books, writing software, and so on. But I'd always come crashing back down and I couldn't understand why all of a sudden I'd go from being super-motivated to being profoundly unmotivated. I couldn't understand why I couldn't just snap out of it. It turns out that being lazy had nothing to do with it.

In the summer of 2002 I had a down phase that seriously threated my job. It was my dream job, too. The kind of thing where I loved going into work every day. But that summer I would go in and stare blankly at my computer for eight hours and then go home. If I hadn't been afraid of losing my job I probably never would have gone for help.

It never seriously occured to me that I might have a mental illness. I guess I was in some serious denial. I never heard voices that talked to me, but I would hear voices spouting gibberish--like a malfunctioning voice-synthesizer. Other times it would be like I was at a party with dozens of people talking and laughing (but none involving me directly). These things were rarely auditory (i.e. I knew they were in my head) so they didn't bother me. Once in a while I would have "telepathic" communication with something (usually God) but I strongly suspected it wasn't real. I say I strongly suspected instead of I knew because once in a while I'd treat the conversation as real. After all, lots of people claim to get advice from God, right?

I also used to get a lot of intuitions and strange feelings about stuff. I used to be afraid to look at digital clocks, for instance, because some times (10:10, for instance) were evil and I was afraid I might see an "evil" time. I used to get really paranoid about the people around me and about the world in general (yeah, the millenium sure was fun with all that end of the world crap going on). I can't believe now how much time I wasted being psychotic.

Anyway, there's a lot more, but you get the idea. The point I want to make is that I was in denial about my problems. When I first started to think something was wrong I was afraid that if I went for help I'd lose the things that made me who I am.

When I started reading about mental illness for the first time and recognizing some of the symptoms in myself I got really pissed off. How much of my life had I wasted on this? How much could I have got done instead of being crazy? Being angry about that and being afraid of losing my job finally motivated me to get some help.

Now I take Depakote to stabilize my mood, Effexor to control my paranoia, and Risperdal to deal with psychoses (like hearing voices and disorganized thinking). I didn't lose who I am at all. In fact, the mood swings, paranoia, and psychoses did a lot more to screw me up than anything. I know a lot of people reading this will say "duh!" but it's different when you're experiencing it.

If the extent of what you're experiencing is hearing voices and you haven't heard them for years then you're lucky. On the other hand if you have other symptoms of schizophrenia that you haven't mentioned then don't waste your life on them. Get some help and get rid of them. The meds have their downsides, but ultimately I think they're worth it.

Now I can hardly wait to see what the trolls do with this message...

no no no this is a journal of a schizo (1.11 / 9) (#83)
by modmans2ndcoming on Fri Feb 13, 2004 at 02:43:30 PM EST

who...whose there!!!

duck!!!! look out...shut up!!!!!! ahhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!

I've been troubled by paranoia lately (2.81 / 11) (#88)
by MichaelCrawford on Fri Feb 13, 2004 at 04:01:23 PM EST

Last spring I wrote in Living with Schizoaffective Disorder that I've been doing well for some time, that all I need is a med check once a month.

I should talk.

This last year or so has been the most difficult for me of my entire career. I've been having a terrible time focussing on my work. When I can get in the groove, I do well, but I find that a hard state to attain.

I moved to Canada in early october. My wife is a Canadian citizen, and is sponsoring my immigration here. After we'd been in Canada for a little while, I started getting this feeling all the time that she was blaming me for things that weren't my fault, or for things that weren't wrong.

I was also seeing flashing police car lights all over the place, or generally thinking the cops were after me, something that had not been a problem since 1994, when I first started taking risperdal.

At some point I realized I was paranoid, and in fact paranoia had been deeply affecting me for about a year, without me even noticing. I spent some time trying to figure out what was real, and what was paranoia, only to find that trying to figure this out was a trap in itself, leading me back into the maze of twisty passages all alike.

I'd gotten a referral to the local mental health clinic, but they hadn't given me an appointment yet. Finally I called and pleaded with them for an appointment, told them I was coming unglued, and they told me to go to the emergency room.

I wrote about my trip to the emergency room in my advogato diary.

In short, my dose of risperdal was increased from three milligrams a day to five. I've finally been able to start regular office visits at the mental health clinic.

The p-doc at the emergency room said I was having "psychotic breakthrough symptoms". I looked that up, and found it to mean that an apparently normal person is hallucinating. Someone who's fully psychotic often exhibits a disheveled and confused appearance, but I was not that way.

She told me that such symptoms make it hard to concentrate.

I took about a month of work, and was feeling very good during that time, but since going back to work I've been having a rocky time of it, although it's starting to get better.


--

Live your fucking life. Sue someone on the Internet. Write a fucking music player. Like the great man Michael David Crawford has shown us all: Hard work, a strong will to stalk, and a few fries short of a happy meal goes a long way. -- bride of spidy


I urge you to see a psychiatrist (3.00 / 6) (#90)
by MichaelCrawford on Fri Feb 13, 2004 at 04:06:37 PM EST

You seem to be quite fortunate in that your symptoms receded and you're able to live free of them now.

But it's my experience and that of many other people that the symptoms come back.

There are a number of very good medications for schizophrenia now. I have been taking risperdal for almost ten years. There are some others. Do a google search for "atypical antipsychotic".

It would probably be best to prevent the return of the symptoms, rather than wait for them to reappear and try to get treatment then, when the symptoms would be more difficult to control.


--

Live your fucking life. Sue someone on the Internet. Write a fucking music player. Like the great man Michael David Crawford has shown us all: Hard work, a strong will to stalk, and a few fries short of a happy meal goes a long way. -- bride of spidy


Another.. (none / 1) (#93)
by Grumpie on Fri Feb 13, 2004 at 04:41:20 PM EST

Shizofrenic over here, and actually I've grown quite "attached" to it (it being me:) very recognizeable about not getting help and stuff..., but eversince I did, together with some "intelligence" gathering on the net myself, we'll be allright It does give me quite a "unique" perspective on the world, and enables me to do things "normal" people cannot. It's not funny thought....sometimes one get really get stuck..,but would not trade it for anything, I feel it is very much a part of me. My "surrounding" thinks I'm rather smart, and never noticed anything until a couple of years ago, when thing went really bad...social/work wise.

"While I am often alone, I am very rarely lonely"

I'd even say that, the more people are around I'll become more alonely(never lonely). A less personal, more analitical observer "me" comes floating to the surface. He's quite boring, but can do some amazing tasks....If I want to know something, he's the one to ask.. As a kid I used to think it(he/me/(or even she) was the "next" step in evolution, but I never knew I was "ill"

Then again many thing evolute through "malfunction", so the posibility remains....


nalyubuites
NAMI (none / 0) (#95)
by foog on Fri Feb 13, 2004 at 05:04:44 PM EST

Hopeful data point: reportedly, some schizophrenics only have one psychotic episode, ever. But you should still get a diagnosis from a head-shrinker. There's a lot you can do once you have some authority behind your self-assessment.

As someone with a family member with a (cough) serious brain disorder, I highly recommend you get in touch with your local NAMI chapter. They can help you figure out what social services you might qualify for, and your chapter might also teach the new "peer-to-peer" class.

Get your parents into the Family-to-Family class too, wherever they are.

Wow (none / 0) (#99)
by Shimmer on Fri Feb 13, 2004 at 06:32:30 PM EST

This is excellent work, be it fiction or not. If it is fiction: let's have more. If it is not: please be careful with yourself.

Wizard needs food badly.
Did you watch this morph in edit? It is fiction. (2.20 / 5) (#100)
by StephenThompson on Fri Feb 13, 2004 at 06:37:45 PM EST

A couple people below have mentioned that this is fiction, but maybe because there approaches were glib they got some bad scores.

This is a work of fiction.  Anybody who watched the story change from the original diary entry, through the edit queue to what we have now would know this.


'Yourself' (none / 0) (#102)
by G hoti on Fri Feb 13, 2004 at 09:08:49 PM EST

Yourself

That is all...

What an awesome article! (none / 2) (#109)
by Your Biggest Fan on Fri Feb 13, 2004 at 11:26:26 PM EST

This was the most entertaining article i've read in a long time.  Most of the time when i read about schizophrenics, the voices either ramble incoherently, insult the person, or just give orders.  Your voice sounds much more pleasant.   You should post some more conversations.  I really enjoyed reading this.

I've always wondered if there might be other consciousnesses trapped somewhere in the recesses of my brain, trying desperately to make me aware of their existance.  I think that would be pretty cool.  Well, perhaps not for them, but anyway...

Thanks for posting this!


Sincerely,
Your Biggest Fan

is the other you funny? (none / 0) (#112)
by dorksport on Sat Feb 14, 2004 at 01:48:32 AM EST

next time ask the voice to tickle you, if you laugh you should submit yourself to study (seriously certain people would love to talk to you).
Also, i wonder did the voice ever tell you a joke that made you laugh?

"reefer" (none / 1) (#114)
by auraslip on Sat Feb 14, 2004 at 02:41:13 AM EST

smoking has caused me, I believe, a great deal of problems.
This fall and winter I believe I bordered on bi-polar insanity.
To the point where I was sick and never ate.
Pot makes you dumb like a child. You regress and forget the mental tools you learned as a child to survive in this society.
How to deal with romance is the one that almost drove me to death.
Is loving someone that doesn't love you a sexual dysfunction?
___-___
only 2 other crazies respond?! (none / 2) (#123)
by bloodnose on Sat Feb 14, 2004 at 01:02:08 PM EST

i figured the whole k5 lo0ny bin would go up in flames.
my tinfoil sense is tingling. the multidimensional poltergeist slut fields are dampening our convergent unveiling of the farce. darn.
schools out schools out / teacher let the monkeys out / one went east / one went west / one went up the teacher's dress.

IT of a brain (none / 1) (#124)
by slaida1 on Sat Feb 14, 2004 at 02:07:44 PM EST

Getting closer every year, maybe soon we can make real connections between information technology research and knowledge of these altered states of mind. It's unfortunate that splitting a mind makes side effects like paranoia. Otherwise 2 minds in one head could be a great breakthrough and seen as something desirable.

I'd love to have coherent clearminded companion if I could have it without side effects. Could they learn to co-operate perfectly, one using the left eye/hand doing something while other uses right hand/eye for something entirely different task? Would it be possible to, for example, write with your both hands simultaneously about entirely different subjects?

I want to believe that somewhere on this planet are people who are capable to share one body among more than one mind, learned to coexist in peace and take advantage of their special abilities.

If mastered, we could halve workers on tasks where only one hand and mind is enough to accomplish them. I'm thinking crews onboard spacecrafts here... Same processing power with half the meat to shoot up there.

This Schizo's Comments on JOAS (none / 3) (#132)
by RavenStark on Sat Feb 14, 2004 at 07:33:56 PM EST

First JOAS sounds more like the Hollywood version of the disease than the reality. It is very good writing though. Unfortunatly what I experienced wasn't nearly as entertaining.

In my senior year of college I became depressed, sought help, got drugged and went nuts (saw things, and lost the normal range of emotions, and became paranoid) and was diagnosed with schizoaffective disorder. I lost several years of my life before realizing that SSRI's such as Paxil and Prozac cause me to hallucinate and don't help with my depression. Once I quit taking SSRI's and antipsychotics I got my life back. I've been "clean" for well over a year now with no psychotic symptoms.

I hate to gloss over such a painful ordeal but it's hard to explain what it is really like. Those few seconds after smoking some pot where you keep asking yourself "am I tripping" are most like it, only it lasts for years and isn't fun.

Anyway, what I really wanted to say is that I really hate all of the "you should seek professional help" talk. There is no such thing as professional psychiatry. From what I saw, they pretty much disregard science in favor of a wrong philosophy. They were mostly interested in making me into a managable zombie who unquestioningly took his meds and paid his bills. I'd suggest going to one only as a last resort and with all the skepticism one would normally reserve for a bone-in-the-nose witch doctor.

Some facts learned in the school of hard knocks which doctors and NAMI sorts will deny:

  1. SSRI's are very addictive. Never ever quit them cold turkey as I once did under doctor's orders, resulted in the blackest depression of my life.
  2. Both SSRI and antipsychotic medications mute much of one's personality. Primative emotions like fear and anger remain intact, finer ones like love, awe, and joy die. This can be seen as a symptom of schizophrenia. All I can say is my personality mostly rebounded once I quit all of the drugs.
  3. If the newer antipsychotic meds are so much better than the old ones, everyone who suffered on the old ones deserves should be awarded a congressional medal of valor or something. The new ones made me feel horrible. I remember trying to go swimming at a beach and barly being able to walk through the sand because my legs felt like lead full of hyperactive worms.
  4. You can kiss your sex life goodbye. It is amazing just how boring it can be under a drugged haze.
  5. SSRI's gave me hallucinations. They were mostly visual--everything from catching movement out of the corner of my eye to seeing cans of soup floating larger than life in the corner of the room. If it happened to me, it probably can happen to others. The danger is in being misdiagnosed with schizophrenia and being forced to take drugs you don't want.
  6. Some shrinks give a damn, most don't. Some seem to get off on causing pain.
  7. It is possible to go from 125lbs to 220lbs in 3 months on meds. 7b, streatchmarks itch. 7c, fat is very difficult to lose once you get it.
  8. So far, I've been able to control my depression though shear force of will. It is very difficult to do, but it is possible. The shrinks say is impossible.
  9. I think the drugs caused some brain damage. My IQ used to be 150-160 depending on the test. Now it's 130-150. Maybe that doesn't sound too bad to some, but to me it means not being able to do most of the mental magic I grew up enjoying. I also notice problems with my memory and attention span.

If I'm right about the SSRI's, I wasn't really nuts, just badly stoned. A naturally pschotic person's milage may vary. I have no way of knowing.

I'm Schizophrenic (none / 1) (#144)
by 9inchs on Sun Feb 15, 2004 at 08:33:20 AM EST

I believe in R.D.Laings theory on psychosis. (from personal experience)
Quoted from the site above:
<quote>
Laing's view of madness Laing argued that the strange behaviour and seemingly confused speech of people ungoing a psychotic episode were ultimately understandable as an attempt to communicate worries and concerns, often in situations where this was not possible or not permitted. Laing stressed the role of society, and particularly the family, in the development of madness. He argued that individuals can often be put in impossible situations, where they are unable to conform to the conflicting expectations of their peers, leading to a 'lose-lose situation' and immense mental distress for the individuals concerned. Madness was therefore an expression of this distress, and should be valued as a cathartic and transformative experience.
</quote>
I find it to be a very cathartic experience, I can handle situations I couldn't previously handle, with alot more "grace". It is my reality, in this my 25 year of life, a reality of my own making...some people even like my views. ;)

well, at least the K5 editors admit (none / 0) (#145)
by modmans2ndcoming on Sun Feb 15, 2004 at 10:35:37 AM EST

when they are wrong.

calling them out really does work.

Dreary and depressing (none / 0) (#147)
by orconabora on Sun Feb 15, 2004 at 01:16:41 PM EST

As another user fittingly said, this is either fact or fiction. If this is fact, I can understand, you want to have a sense of catharsis by narrating your experiences - But this is an inappropriate forum - There are societies on the lines of alcoholics anonymous where you can go to and narrate them. In this kind of site, telling a tale smacks of supreme self-indulgence. Another reason you could want to bare your experiences could be to help others with similar predicaments who are not quite so articulate - But the whole tone of your piece is extremely personal and it is difficult to see what another schizophrenic may be able to gain from it apart from a sense that he is not alone. I am not saying you are not permitted to post your stories - I am not an authoritarian censor-monger, but I am asking you to see reason. If this is fiction, this is highly irresponsible - schizophrenia is a crippling, debilitating disorder, not a pseudo-poetic experience as you make it out. Socializing can help your condition but to refuse to socialize saying it is contrary to your character again looks like a child refuse to give up his daddy's cell phone - wilful and not very intelligent. If your story is fact, then the remarkable coherence of your other self is surprising and if your article is fiction, I suggest you turn to writing about other things.
Think no more, laugh, be jolly Why should men make haste to die? - AEH, A Shropshire Lad, XLIX
Otherness (none / 0) (#148)
by cestmoi on Sun Feb 15, 2004 at 02:02:45 PM EST

I tried imagining meeting someone who would be open about having a dual personality:

"Hi, I'm Tom," he said extending his right hand.
"And I'm It. My parents didn't know about me so just call me It." he said extending his other hand.

Even if both Tom and It were nice guys it would still freak a lot of people out. Me? I think I'd find the pair very interesting. Especially if they figured out how to multi-task and help each other along. Your post makes me think there are some pairs out there who know they're different, know it'd freak most people out, don't suffer from paranoia and just keep their duality to themselves so they can survive.

This reminds me (none / 0) (#149)
by Haunting Koan on Sun Feb 15, 2004 at 05:53:27 PM EST

When I was younger (8-12) I would hear voices, too. It wasn't anything coherent most of the time, and I remember thinking it was my dad inside my head. The voice would always scream at me, calling me an idiot or something similar -- and normally popped up when I was in public.

I don't think I ever really told anyone until now. I used to have pretty bad OCD, too, and from the list at the top I suffered from all of the five symptoms.

Somewhere along the line, though, the voice left and I stopped being obsessive compulsive. I'm still not a very social person, but hardly a schizophrenic.

I thought this was a very interesting story. Great work.

Is this all bad? (none / 0) (#151)
by freddie on Sun Feb 15, 2004 at 11:40:19 PM EST

I wonder if you could learn to control it. Search the net for literature on "chaos magick", maybe it will give you a more positive outlook on this thing. I doubt psychiatry is capable of doing anybody anything. Its a bunch of academicians that don't know very well what they are talking about.


Imagination is more important than knowledge. -- Albert Einstein
My six months (none / 1) (#156)
by Armada on Mon Feb 16, 2004 at 01:55:55 AM EST

For six months of my life, I was really depressed due to doing everything right (graduating from college) and still not having a job. I had some interesting experiences. I would like to attribute them to marijuana, but I know I cannot. I would like to say they were seperate identities, but I cannot. I think it might have just been fake, but I don't know why my mind would have caused a lot of the confusion it did.

The truth is, I don't know what the hell was going on in my life for that time, but it was a significant enough of an impact on my life that I started writing a novel in November for the National Writing a Novel month or whatever.

I still haven't finished it, but I intend to. I let my roommates read it and they think I should publish it, but the main characters in the book (including variations of them) aren't exactly going to be entirely favorable towards me publishing something of this nature.

I really think that was happened was just my personality attempting to split, and then I pulled it back in. I'm a Gemini, so maybe that explains it. I'd be interested in finding out if the author here is a Gemini too, and if anyone that has had a personality disorder is as well. I'm also interested if there are any of the same sign that have NOT had a personality disorder in their early twenties.

When I got a job, I pretty much forgot those six months. They went by really fast and when I try to recall them, I have a hard time doing so. I remember "who and what", but I don't remember the "why and how".

I would very much like to blame the problems I had on drugs or my sign or something, but for now I cannot. If I knew what really caused my problems, I'd have an ending for my book. I'm guessing it was unemployment and the depression that came along with it.

ABOMINATION! (none / 0) (#157)
by myrspace on Mon Feb 16, 2004 at 02:26:37 AM EST

Interesting... I'm surprised no one has made any Dune references yet. Even in his time, Frank Herbert addressed many of today's issues such as cloning, schizophrenia, genetics, religion and he managed to weave them all together into a series of amazing stories. To think that you may have awakened the memory of former-ancestor's conciousnes and have that ancestor attempt to invade and possess your body... it's pretty scary alright. I'd rather ignore all the funny voices that I hear when I'm alone because either way; a ghost or some psychotic illness, it's a lose lose situation.

resection Fiction (none / 0) (#159)
by dimaq on Mon Feb 16, 2004 at 10:38:54 AM EST

methinks

educated idiots (none / 3) (#169)
by MatrixTheorist on Mon Feb 16, 2004 at 07:48:14 PM EST

  1. Social Dysfunction - lack of interest in social groups, friendships
  2. Sexual Dysfunction - lack of interest in sexual relationships
  3. Emotional Dysfunction - lack of expression, monotone voice
  4. Hallucination - most commonly auditory, ie hearing voices (very rarely visual)
  5. Inappropriate Responses - laughing at bad news, or crying at a joke
  6. Delusions - of grandeur, or more commonly of persecution.
- - - -

let's analyze this, shall we?

let us break down the systems to discover whether it is 1% of the population who is schizophrenic, or 99%, shall we?

1) Social Dysfunction - lack of interest in social groups, friendships 1% or 99% - looks like the world is a fucked up place to me.

  1. Sexual Dysfunction - lack of interest in sexual relationships
  2. % or 99% - looks to me like idiots must assert their masculinity no matter the situation. yeah, they aren't that bright. 3) Emotional Dysfunction - lack of expression, monotone voice 1% or 99% - well, let's look around, shall we? a world full of talking vacuous faces. their minds are empty, they can only try to convince people they don't have prejudices by asserting that they do. idiots.
  3. Hallucination - most commonly auditory, ie hearing voices (very rarely visual) 1% or 99% - hmm, let's see. they do seem to suffer from religious delusions. is it god or satan talking to me?!~ oh wait, i'm an idiot. i'm talking to myself.
  4. Inappropriate Responses - laughing at bad news, or crying at a joke 1% or 99% - in seeming contradiction to their own delusions, they can't accept their own lack of faith, so they believe bad news is bad and jokes are not jokes. they can't accept that fate cuts the strings.
  5. Delusions - of grandeur, or more commonly of persecution. 1% or 99% - their idiotic morality prevents them from knowing the only true moral force. so what do they do? put the burden on themselves. then they go insane trying to handle it's weight. can't say they don't deserve it.
- - - -

well, what can we conclude? you are all idiots. you are the schizophrenic. idiot.


Kind of reminds me... (none / 1) (#173)
by araym on Tue Feb 17, 2004 at 03:50:26 AM EST

Of a book I read once, it was about a bunch of people a long time ago who heard voices in their head and wrote down what the voices said. More and more people kept hearing voices and kept writing more and at some point they decided that the book was done, and that anyone else who heard voices from then on was crazy. I think the book's called the Bible or something.

-=-
SSM

Interesting (none / 1) (#182)
by Amante on Thu Feb 19, 2004 at 10:08:02 AM EST

I found this a very interesting read. I myself have OCD, which, although nowhere near schizophrenia, is immensely tough to deal with and startingly misunderstood. But what made me empathize with the article most, is my best friend, or former best friend, was diagnosed as schizophrenic a few years ago. Just about all of those 6 points describe him pretty well. We met in the the mid to late 90's, I believe (I'm not too good at remembering exact times and dates), at a mutual friend's birthday party, and became pretty good friends. We had a similar sense of humor, and were both nerdish game-playing types. He could be a little distant sometimes, but he came out of his shell when we were hanging out and having fun and I very much enjoyed hanging out with him. Around 1999, he was getting more and more depressed, and introverted, and he began to hang out with a guy named Will, and smoke pot a lot. A couple of months later he had what I believe is his first 'psychotic break', and had to go to a recovery center -- a place he always referred to somewhat derisively as "the hospital". From then on, things pretty much went downhill, and our friendship splintered. He became very, very distant, sometimes easily excitable to anger or near-violence. He always thought I was trying to persecute him in some way, that I was against him and not being supportive (even though I'm just about the only one of his friends who stuck with him the entire time through his ordeal). So we didn't hang out as much. Sometimes he'd be a bit better and we'd hang out and have a little fun, most of the time I didn't hear from him, and when he did come over, we would just sit there in ackward silence and he would leave 15 minutes later to go home. There are obvious gaps in my knowledge of this situation, but it's pretty much the standard. Unless you've had a dehabilitating mental illness, it's hard to really truly understand what it's like. I myself have a less major one than him and even that drives me fucking crazy sometimes, so I really feel for him. But it's hard, being friends to someone going through this. A schizophrenic person can seem like an empty shell of the person you used to know. They usually don't talk much, sort of stare into space in deep thought or who knows what, and are very defensive when you do talk to them. It's also hard to know just how much of this sort of thing is genetic or predisposed, even for modern medical science. Both of his parents are ex-alcoholics and pretty nutty. His mom tries, though, to be supportive to him even though she doesn't do it the right way, and, his dad, well, he's just cold and emotionally distant, both to his own son and any of his friends. And being that being distant and withdrawn is par for the course with schizophrenia, he would disappear from my life for months at a time, almost up to a year at one point, so it was hard to know what was going on. He didn't really talk about it that much. I do believe that my friend was molested as a child by a friend of the family or an uncle or something (not his parents), and even before the first 'psychotic break', he could be pretty withdrawn and quiet. So it's tough to tell how much is part of a person's genetic disposition and how much is from their environment around them. My friend just recently had a relapse, or something similar. He's told me i the past he hears voices when alone a lot of the time, and always seems to believe that they are ghosts or spirits of certain places and people (apparently, certain places are better for him to be in than others). Right now he's at a recovery center and hopefully getting a little better, but unfortunately schizophrenia is the kind of thing that stays with you for your entire life, usually getting worse as time goes on for most, all the time being very misunderstood and unappreciated by the people around you. So I do feel the most sympathy and empathy I can for anyone with schizophenia, it must be immensely hard. Godspeed to all with it.

One thing for sure. (none / 0) (#183)
by Anonymous Hiro on Thu Feb 19, 2004 at 01:47:53 PM EST

That voice seems reasonably smart and a lot more coherent/rational than a fair number of people.

Heck you're lucky it isn't as rude/nasty as many of the people on kuro5hin. Even though they're mentally "normal" it's arguable that they're in a worse state than you - coz while they've only one voice in their heads - it's rude and nasty!

Would be almost funny if they go for an exorcism and end up being cast out of the bodies they currently possess.

I spent a weekend in a mental institution (none / 1) (#187)
by joll on Thu Feb 19, 2004 at 05:54:49 PM EST

Had been going through some bad times, I was already on anti deps. ONe friday, I got all drunk. Make a long story short, they stuck me in mental hospital. When I finally sobered up, I realized that my life wasnt bad at all and I was really lucky to have my sanity. I guess i am halfway decent looking,at least to crazy girls, and I spoke with many of them. One girl confessed to me that she was telling the doctors she didnt hear voices, even though she did, just to get out of there and get off meds. Another girl was convinced I was her boyfriend come to visit her and would constantly plan our life together once she got out. The person who freaked me out the most was a guy who would walk around the quad, wielding an imaginary weed eater. He would wave to you and smile just like if you were walking by your nieghbors house while he was doing yard work. He would wave then turn his attention to the lawn again. On monday, I got to talk to a doctor, they let me go. I got home, threw my anti deps in the trash. Threw my booze in the trash, got some good sleep, woke up and proceeded to get my self together. Ive been okay ever since. Funny though, one weekend in a mental institution did more than 3 months of anti depressants and talkin to doctors. Im not saying this is what you need fsh, but im just saying that was good story and once again makes realize how lucky I am.

schizophrenic, a clinical issue, not to be mistook (none / 0) (#196)
by stuthephilosopher on Fri Sep 24, 2004 at 10:49:10 PM EST

I've been reading these articles on schizophrenia, and I'm quite interested, I'd like to say that a lot of you are thinking about schizophrenia in the wrong way. I would define schizophrenia as a disorder in which the intellectual and emotional qualities of a subjects psyche are totally divorced, a complete detatchment. The term schizophrenia is a clinical term and should only be attributed to clinical cases, i.e people who need to be in mental institutes, emphasising the word need. I was quite alarmed at the number of posts that mentioned cannabis, as I myself smoke cannabis everyday and have been doing so for years, luckily I have a friend who has or used to have OCD, we have been able to think about mental issues responsibly and accurately, and I would like to share a few IMPORTANT points with all. Anyone who experiences problems with marijuana or is experiencing problems they may not associate with marijuana, but whilst smoking it have a strong mental block. Get off the pot and discover if there really is a problem, 2 weeks is sufficient. If you dont you will never know wether it is serious or wether you were trying to rationalize a fantasy of persecution, (thinking that you have a disorder) The reason why is that many people may become detatched whilst smoking cannabis, this detatchment is similar to schizophrenic detatchment but it is clinically different, as the emotional and intellectual functions of the psyche are never totally detatched. I will explain all in total detail so as the most stoned mind can keep up. Biology. The receptor for dopamine, the chemical produced when stoned, is very close to the part of the brain active in schizophrenics, when overloaded this dormant receptor can function, however in normal state it will not. I personally know a schizophrenic and the one time he did get stoned it he was quite abnormally detatched and for the rest of the night we didnt see him. god knows what he got up to. not funny. It is easy to think that someone is schizophrenic when they are detatched, voices etc if you can communicate with yourself in a rational way then there is a way of sorting yourself out, in a actual schizophrenic there is no way out, thats why its a clinical disorder. However it is important not to fantasise about voices and what they are, as believing in anything that isnt real too much will cause your psychological makeup to be proportioned in that direction. Difference is someone who is crazy will be crazy at a normal state, someone who isnt crazy but is temporarily crazy will think they are but when subjected to a normal state of mind will recover themselves,may cause depression and confusion if not rationalized. Many of the posts i've read I would , without doubt classify as people who believe themselves to be slightly crazy but are not. They are just experiencing a disbalance, due to psychological abnormalities such as stress, and drug abuse. Voices: voices can be determined as 2 states the first is a very real thought process, you can "hear" the thoughts crystal clear and they will be distracting as they demand attention, these "voices" are nullified by external audio like someone actually calling your name, it will cause the subject to snap out of it unwittingly. This process is NOT schizophrenia, dont be fools and think that it is, it is a detatchment of the subconscious and conscious, they are the same person, it is a biological defense of the body in order to cope with irrationalities, if people didn't have such stupid overblown egos then they wouldn't get paranoid about it. So you didnt learn about exaggerated thought diversity in school, doesn't mean it doesn't happen, it certainly doesn't mean its schizophrenia, people should learn to accept problem solving methods, yes they do sound like 2 totally different people but only because they are both very one sided, the subconscious and conscious are different it is their nature, dont get paranoid about it itl only make it worse, rationalize and your thoughts will become clear, many "voices" are thought assimilations of reccuring memories particularly in stoners who will lose their memories and regain them, if they are distracted by a thought process (going off on one) then the memories will have a chinese whisper effect and you can spin yourself out a treat(so just sit back and let the memories drift by dont react to them) Now if someone has voices that they can hear at the same level or above usual audio perception e.g. 2 people having a conversation but the voice in ones head is louder to the extent that they cannot hear the other person then there might be a problem. Voices like these would be self destructive (treacherous) nasty but wouldn't neccesarily cause the person grief as they would be totally engrossed in it, a zombie like state, as if possessed. basically totally one sided without any possibility of a balanced action. E.g some people who get thoughts about killing people may get paranoid and try to identify with the source of that thought, other people will never say and will always act out these thoughts. Anyone like this certainly would not be able to hold down a job, like I say it is a critical disorder and has to be analysed responsibly and clinically.(otherwise it isn't going to make any sense, logic) What I'm explaining is a logical clear cut difference, you either are or you arent, wether you like it or not you cannot change it. I would like to add that visual hallucinations are quite common in actual schizophrenia, as it is the extent of the unreality in which they live, their thoughts are formed in this way as a product of the bodies natural way of dealing with things due to a mental inbalance that is irreversible (this is why anyone who has experienced a normal life at one point, turned to drugs experienced abnormalities and is paranoid they are schizophrenic are really just paranoid. in their minds wether they believe it or not it is reversible - fact.) It may sound patronizing but I teach people, I dont wish for credit as they only credit worthy of a matter as this is the knowledge that I am correct, but hear this, People whose posts I've read are people who probably cannot handle marijuana properly, or stress or any other mind altering stimulus, but mainly weed, Iv'e been there myself I know what I'm talking about. Question is, if you think otherwise can you prove it? Marijuana affects the brain psychologically,regardless of egotism and front you do have to be responsible and that includes not going around thinking you are schizophrenic just because you talk to yourself, autistic people talk to themselves, they are not schizophrenic. If you do drugs and open your mind to the doors of perception just remember who you are and how you are not what you may experience or think yourself to be, if you cannot hold self control then maybe you shouldn't do drugs People who shouldn't do drugs wont feel bad on them quite the opposite, but they will not be able to maintain self control in the long term, they will not be able to moderate the use. my email is blessedarethesick@yahoo.co.uk I would be happy to talk to anyone who feels they need to clarify any point i've talked about or who would like to develop ideas. anyone with an attitude I will quite easily nullify. Be good to yourselves, if you ever get paranoid then think about what you know is real, 1+1=2 simple as that and work from there,reality checking is infinitely valuble and logic is something you can trust.

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