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Are You A Comfort Addict?

By brain in a jar in Culture
Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 08:10:30 AM EST
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Do you find yourself unsatisfied, but unable to work out why?

Do you find yourself nodding during Fight Club when Tyler Durden tells his recruits that their struggle is a philosophical one... only to be dismayed with his idea of a solution?

Is everything okay, but nothing great?

You could well be a comfort addict.


Comfort and Pleasure

Comfort and pleasure are closely related. Pleasure is the reward we receive for scratching a biological itch. Whereas comfort is simply the feeling of not having any itches in need of a damn good scratching. Many things in life are pleasurable. Eating good food when starving hungry, lying down on a soft bed after working a twelve hour shift, having crazy, sweaty, urgent sex with someone you haven't seen for far too long. Each of these things have one thing in common. The more you want something, the more you enjoy it when you finally have it.

Therein lies the rub. Comfort is what we feel when we have no strong need for anything, when we are not hungry, not horny, not dying for a leak... and yet pleasure comes from relieving these urgent needs. If we want to feel true pleasure, we cannot be comfortable all the time.

This is not a new problem. As soon as we get rich enough the first thing we do is make ourselves comfortable. We make sure that we have enough food stored, so that even if bad weather hits, we never have to skip a meal. We get a car so that if it is cold or raining we don't have to expose ourselves to the elements. Comfort addiction is the essence of suburbia, a heavy blanket, suffocatingly soft.

There was a time when comfort addiction was a problem which only the rich could afford to suffer from. Hard labour and occasional shortages of the essentials of life were the norm. Fast forward a century or so and the middle classes make up a large proportion of the west's population. Millions of people across the western world have gained the ability to escape discomfort almost entirely, and many of them have been foolish enough to do so.

This attachment to comfort is an addiction, because the less often we experience discomfort, the less tolerance we have for it. In the end the comfort addict avoids even mild hunger by constant snacking and avoids physical exertion entirely with an endless list of labour saving devices. The life of the comfort addict is flat, never denied anything, and yet never truly satisfied. It is a life of avoidance, and those who live it end up avoiding life itself.

Calculus for Hedonists

It is clear that we need to strike a balance, but the question is where should it be struck. The simplest answer is that we should sleep when we are tired, eat when hungry and make love when horny, then and only then. But this only raises more questions:

How hungry should a man be before he allows himself to eat?

How hot must the fires of desire burn before he gives in to fleshly temptation?

We can try to think of the problem as an economist would, as a simple matter of optimisation. As time passes the pleasure which can be gained from satisfying a need increases. But it will not increase forever. At some point hunger starts to fade rather than grow stronger and the same is true for the desire for sex. There is no sense in subjecting ourselves to days of hunger just to make the eventual feast a tiny bit more satisfying. Thus there is an optimal time at which to satisfy any particular need.

This plan still has its limitations. Our pleasure is still limited by our appetites. If we are seldom really hungry, should we give up on the pleasure of eating? If after years of marriage, we find that desire fades, do we really have to give up on frequent pleasurable sex? The answer is of course no.

Although our desires are biological, we can still strengthen them. Exercising burns calories, builds muscle and speeds the metabolism. In short, it makes us hungrier and makes eating more pleasureable. Taking an aperitif (a small amount of strong alcohol), or a joint a half hour before a meal serves the same purpose. Similarly a good lover knows how to tease their partner, increasing their desire and making their mutual release that much more stimulating. Failing that, adding variety or making things more than a little kinky, usually works well enough that sordid affairs are unnecessary.

Should you find yourself stuck in a rut, where nothing really seems to provide any real joy remember this: To experience pleasure you must first deny yourself a little. So put away the snackfood and the self-pity and go for a long walk. When you have worked up a great hunger then is the time to eat. If its freezing cold outside all the better, a steaming hot bath and a whisky on your return will be heavenly.

In a similar vein, do not devote terabytes of storage to pornography, jacking-off three times a day is guaranteed to take the fun out of it.

Doubtless it has occurred to the reader that there are other ways of dealing with the conflict between comfort and pleasure.

Why would anyone choose to go through cycles of denial and release in pursuit of pleasure when certain drugs can provide a shortcut?

This is certainly a possible strategy, and many have taken it, but it has a number of well known disadvantages. The body is relatively quick to develop a tolerance to the most common drugs of abuse. Once a tolerance has developed, the pleasure to be gained from the drug quickly subsides.

Just as with any other source of pleasure, the pleasure which drugs can give must be intermittant or it will disappear entirely. To be replaced with the joyless routine suffering that is addiction.

Finally, what of the wirehead?

Studies have shown that the pleasure centres of the brain can be stimulated directly with electrodes. The stimulation never ceases to be pleasureable. Tolerance, the bane of the dope fiend, is never a problem.

So why would a person in pursuit of pleasure, choose anything else?

Fundamentally, pleasure exists to motivate us and to reward behaviors which help us to survive and prosper. A creature in a constant state of pleasure has no motivation to do anything whatsoever. It will not make the effort to eat, to sleep, to do anything to preserve itself whatsoever. So the fate of the wirehead is death: The surest end to pleasure that there ever has been. Even if the wirehead were able to limit his access to the wire and thus be able to survive, his life would still be far from enviable. His achievements in life would be few, because when you have pleasure on tap, why would you bother to earn it the hard way?

In the final analysis a man needs more than pleasure, he needs a feeling of purpose, he needs to feel he has achieved something, he needs to belong, he needs friends. The wirehead has none of these things, because the perfect pleasure of the wire denies him any possible source of motivation.

These psychological needs are the ones which shortcuts to pleasure like drugs and wireheading commonly fail to provide. And yet these gentle pleasures are some of the most durable.

As the ancient chinese proverb states:

To be happy for a day, get drunk.

To be happy for a week get a pig (i.e. become wealthy)

To be happy for a year, get married.

But to be happy for life, become a gardener.

The most enduring sources of satisfaction are often not those which are most immediately appealing. They take the form of pursuits which are creative and absorbing, and where a man can work all his life without any risk of the task ever being fully complete.

Perhaps a man is happiest when he patiently strives towards perfection.

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Are You A Comfort Addict? | 177 comments (153 topical, 24 editorial, 0 hidden)
-1 fight club (1.12 / 24) (#2)
by dammahum on Wed Nov 17, 2004 at 05:49:58 PM EST



Send this essay to Fallujah (1.62 / 16) (#3)
by sllort on Wed Nov 17, 2004 at 05:58:56 PM EST

I think it will make great reading at the local military hospital as GIs contemplate going home without their sight or their left leg.
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Warning: On Lawn is a documented liar.
+1 I like pasta and beer (n/t) (2.71 / 7) (#4)
by gordonjcp on Wed Nov 17, 2004 at 06:03:06 PM EST


Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he'll bore you rigid with fishing stories for the rest of your life.


The problem with comfort (2.77 / 9) (#5)
by ror on Wed Nov 17, 2004 at 06:50:55 PM EST

Is that it makes you lazy.

Speaking of sex.. (2.20 / 5) (#6)
by Psychopath on Wed Nov 17, 2004 at 06:53:04 PM EST

..I've a desire.
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The only antidote to mental suffering is physical pain. -- Karl Marx
the first rule of comfort addiction is (1.80 / 20) (#8)
by circletimessquare on Wed Nov 17, 2004 at 07:19:00 PM EST

you do not talk about comfort addiction

The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

Need a hit on the Lazyboy (2.20 / 5) (#14)
by IceTitan on Thu Nov 18, 2004 at 01:45:28 AM EST

Is that what we're calling it now? Might explain the B&D S&M.
Nuke 'em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
I've been doing this all my life, (2.88 / 9) (#15)
by Kasreyn on Thu Nov 18, 2004 at 02:07:24 AM EST

but not deliberately. I find eating to be an almost intolerable nuisance. The only thing that ever makes it worthwhile is the pleasure from a big meal when really hungry. So I wait until I'm very hungry (really, I don't even notice hunger until then), then gorge. Repeat.

I'm sure it's quite hard on my digestion, but fuck my digestion, there are books to be read.


"Extenuating circumstance to be mentioned on Judgement Day:
We never asked to be born in the first place."

R.I.P. Kurt. You will be missed.
I used to avoid going outside (2.78 / 19) (#16)
by MichaelCrawford on Thu Nov 18, 2004 at 02:23:30 AM EST

... because I didn't like being exposed to the heat and the cold.

But then I started bicycling every day, to try to get into better shape, and because it relieved my depression.

And I noticed that I was exposed to a wide range of weather phenomena. On some days I would arrive home dripping with sweat, on other days I rode with wool mittens on because it was so cold.

And you know what I noticed? That I enjoyed being outside more, just to be able to experience the weather.


--

Live your fucking life. Sue someone on the Internet. Write a fucking music player. Like the great man Michael David Crawford has shown us all: Hard work, a strong will to stalk, and a few fries short of a happy meal goes a long way. -- bride of spidy


Sweeeet! (2.84 / 13) (#20)
by Peahippo on Thu Nov 18, 2004 at 04:02:03 AM EST

What an excellent topic. I've wondered as much myself. People nest as much as they can, for instance, and that may well exhibit comfort addiction. I found myself developing into an on-demand worker ... I'd work, but then after coming home I'd be so drained that I'd do little to develop my life (which is laborious) and would instead seek comforts. Remember, you can always read another book, or post yet another K5 message telling circletimessquare to fuck right the hell off ... and all that is particularly comfortable. But I've noticed that some real labor has to take place in order to get one's life out of (what I've come to accept as) the usual ruts. In short, I was seduced by comfort. I was comfort addicted.


Out of curiosity (2.81 / 11) (#21)
by godix on Thu Nov 18, 2004 at 04:33:29 AM EST

Last and not least, do not devote terabytes of storage to pornography, jacking-off three times a day is guaranteed to take the fun out of it.

Clearly SOME porn and SOME jacking off are good. After all, if you NEVER do it then you never get fun from it. So I'd like to know, in your opinion how much porn and jacking off lead to the maximum amount of fun without going so far as to kill the fun? This may sound like a troll or something but I'm serious, I'm just interested in improving my sex life.

"Yeah, we rocked the vote all right. Those little bastards betrayed us again."
- Hunter S. Thompson on the 2004 election.
FIGHT CLUB IS SOOOOOO PRE-9/11 (1.29 / 24) (#32)
by fredo on Thu Nov 18, 2004 at 12:11:12 PM EST



Imma stomp on your fawkin garden (1.26 / 19) (#43)
by ror on Thu Nov 18, 2004 at 06:19:13 PM EST

ror

how is it possible? (2.42 / 7) (#45)
by CAIMLAS on Thu Nov 18, 2004 at 06:26:10 PM EST

How is it possible to be content, when the contentedness addiction leads to a burdened feeling of depression, pressing down on you?
--

Socialism and communism better explained by a psychologist than a political theorist.

-1, you mentioned Fight Club [nt] (1.73 / 38) (#46)
by Stinky Bottoms on Thu Nov 18, 2004 at 06:29:40 PM EST



Christ (2.57 / 7) (#48)
by MMcP on Thu Nov 18, 2004 at 07:13:33 PM EST

When you are hungry, eat.  When you are tired, sleep.  

a gramme is better than a damn [n/t] (2.37 / 8) (#50)
by joecool12321 on Thu Nov 18, 2004 at 08:38:56 PM EST



In defense of wireheads (2.66 / 6) (#51)
by trane on Thu Nov 18, 2004 at 08:41:43 PM EST

Fundamentally, pleasure exists to motivate us and to reward behaviors which help us to survive and prosper. A creature in a constant state of pleasure has no motivation to do anything whatsoever. It will not make the effort to eat, to sleep, to do anything to preserve itself whatsoever. So the fate of the wirehead is death: The surest end to pleasure that there ever has been. Even if the wirehead were able to limit his access to the wire and thus be able to survive, his life would still be far from enviable. His achievements in life would be few, because when you have pleasure on tap, why would you bother to earn it the hard way?

You are arguing from a position that seems to celebrate our evolutionary limitations. We are humans, we can choose for ourselves, we don't have to follow the dictates of evolution. If I want to be a wirehead, it should be no concern of yours.

Oh yeah, the fate of everyone is death; so what if the wirehead may get there sooner? You might be run over by a bus tomorrow, with all your knees-bent, running around advancing behavior...

You are arguing from a very restricted, common-place view of what an "achievement" is, in the last sentence quoted above. What if "achievement", to me, means experiencing maximum pleasure, while causing minimal harm?

Also you are making a lot of assumptions. The history of our civilization has many examples of individuals who achieved great things, made significant contributions to our knowledge, while also pursuing the "easy" way to pleasure. Coltrane, Parker, Armstrong all used drugs, yet contributed much.

I think you're really arguing against yourself. Which is fine, do what you want. But if I want to be a wirehead, let me be.

question is inconsistent with your definitions (2.57 / 7) (#56)
by sal5ero on Thu Nov 18, 2004 at 11:40:06 PM EST

If after years of marriage, we find that desire fades, do we really have to give up on frequent pleasurable sex?

how can it be pleasurable if the desire has faded? is it not then merely comfortable?



Indulgently sappy comment (2.37 / 8) (#59)
by llimllib on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 01:47:33 AM EST

This is the best article that K5 has seen in a long time. Thanks.

In short, the conclusion is (as it should be) that to be happy (or pleasured, I suppose) means to have a mission. When you have a pursuit, you are almost always in a state of discomfort - your pursuit has not been fulfilled. However, there are those brief, shining moments when the mission is complete.

For a parent, it may be at their child's graduation ceremony; for a programmer, it may be when he releases the first production version of his project; for a gardener, it may be the morning when the plant he has tended so carefully for so long comes to a spectacular bloom.

These are the moments that we remember, and these are the moments that make life worthwhile.

Peace.

+1 if you resection to op-ed (1.25 / 12) (#60)
by dammahum on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 03:17:49 AM EST

oh wait, it's already in voting. -1.

What? (2.50 / 8) (#64)
by gyan on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 09:03:13 AM EST

Fundamentally, pleasure exists to motivate us and to reward behaviors which help us to survive and prosper.

 A prescriptive view, but I digress.

A creature in a constant state of pleasure has no motivation to do anything whatsoever. It will not make the effort to eat, to sleep, to do anything to preserve itself whatsoever. So the fate of the wirehead is death: The surest end to pleasure that there ever has been.

 I didn't know non-wireheads were immortal. Death is inevitable. If you accept that the ultimate practical aim within life is happiness, then a shorter life with near-constant pleasure is preferable to a long life trying to induce our wetware into the same thing via 'conventional' methods.


 Even if the wirehead were able to limit his access to the wire and thus be able to survive, his life would still be far from enviable. His achievements in life would be few, because when you have pleasure on tap, why would you bother to earn it the hard way?

 Like I said, if you hold the the values in life to be absolute, then being a wirehead is a problem. The notion that one way of life is preferable to another in trying to achieve the same fundamental endgame, holds true only if the premise of _"achievements" = laudable_ is rigid. In other words, I strongly doubt that homo sapiens 40,000 years ago cared about 'achievements'. The concept is a product of civilization. A civilization, that during development, included attempts to find equivalent alchemical "wires", but failed. So, the evolving consensus dogma within collective units on how to achieve this, was improving relative standing among the collective, as evidenced by approval of one's 'achievements' by one's peers. If the hedonistic imperative of constant bliss is practically realizable, then there would be no practical point in clinging to older ideals, out of some misguided notion that they're preferable in an absolute sense.

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Americans fail at life (1.00 / 25) (#66)
by Magnetic North on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 09:29:06 AM EST

God damn you pigs are fucking pathetic.

Taking a break from your usual greedy and selfish agenda to read 'self help' trite like this? Do you imagine it'll help you to be more harmonious assholes? This 'article' reminds me of all those American 'The Zen of the stockmarket' or 'Zen and the art of making money' books that pass for spirituality in your fucked up heads. Your fucking excuse for a culture is probably the first culture in the history of man that manages to pervert Buddhism into wanton materialism.

You all fail at life. May you live in interesting times (please die soon).

--
<33333
Already there (2.60 / 10) (#68)
by Apreche on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 09:37:19 AM EST

To be happy for a day, get drunk.
To be happy for a week get a pig (i.e. become wealthy)
To be happy for a year, get married.
But to be happy for life, become a gardener.

Somehow, I don't think I am a comfort addict, but I know many who are. It is very hard for me to get them to change their ways, as they are resistant to any change. Even if the change will result in a greater level of comfort, the discomfort of the effort needed to get there is too much for them.

Myself, I am already a gardender ( nerd/computer programmer ). My problem isn't that I'm not happy. I'm very happy. But lately people have been coming and digging up my plants. Weeds have been growing, and it isn't due to lack of maintenance. All I want to do is sit around and do geeky things with my geeky friends and not have to worry about bullshit like the possibility of a draft, corporate interference, the FCC or anything else.

I can be happy for life as a gardener. But only if I have a garden and some seeds. I ask nothing more.

Definition wrong, entire article wrong. (2.36 / 11) (#70)
by Remus Shepherd on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 10:04:50 AM EST

The first thing you did is confuse 'comfort' with 'complacency'. The second thing you did is offer no real solution or advice. 'Just don't do it' is not helpful. To escape complacency, you need a firm goal and to educate yourself on your options. This may be the most useless article I've ever seen posted on kuro5hin. And that's saying something.
...
Remus Shepherd <remus@panix.com>
Creator and holder of many Indefensible Positions.
Thanks (2.26 / 15) (#72)
by ljj on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 10:21:46 AM EST

You have reminded my why I was intrigued by K5 in the first place. Because of articles like this.

My view is that we have two natures. Animalist, and god-like. Being human is being trapped between the two and living in that tension.

Your body wants for the things you have mentioned - and often they are in conflict with what your spirit wants. This is the dilemma of being human. Because of you keep succumbing to what the body wants, you will get fat, die of STDs or whatever other penalty nature has designed.

One more note, animals seems to seek comfort all the time too. My cats do anyway, freakily, this morning I was looking at my boy cat Kevin, all snugged up in the duvet, realising how unnatural it is. But after reading your article, it now also strikes me that an animal could never manufacture its own delayed gratification - like going for a walk in the cold in order to better enjoy its warm food. Perhaps, in the context of my body/spirit arguement that proves that animals don't have souls? Interesting stuff.

Brilliant article. Thanks again.

--
ljj

Great Story (2.33 / 6) (#79)
by Reverend Tim on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 11:35:58 AM EST

That's a terrific piece, and really resonated with me today. Like William Blake said, all things in moderation, including moderation.

buy and ad (1.00 / 6) (#80)
by the77x42 on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 12:53:25 PM EST




"We're not here to educate. We're here to point and laugh." - creature
"You have some pretty stupid ideas." - indubitable ‮

I want progress--cyberthalamus (2.00 / 7) (#81)
by Sen on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 01:09:31 PM EST

Imagine taking your last breath, and not dying. You could explore other planets, or even the sun with appropriate shielding. I don't envision wire-heading, although that is a possibility. You will control your inputs and know your outputs. That can be tied to virtual reality, or reality. You have the choice to wirehead, but also the choice to live exactly as we do now.

I am tired of essentially both digging and filling in ditches. There is no need to hunger and thirst. Post-cyberthalamus/singularity, I will set up work for reward, but it will be under my control. Like a video game that is challenging enough for you to enjoy the ending.

I live for this more than anything. I had a castration done so I am not distracted by pornography. Post-singularity, I can simulate jacking off all I want.

male dominance in language (1.20 / 29) (#83)
by chocolatetrumpet on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 02:05:53 PM EST

Perhaps a man is happiest when he patiently strives towards perfection.

Sorry, man, but I thought western society was in the process of getting over male dominance in language.

If you really don't think it matters, then you don't understand oppression, or you don't understand the power of language.

You wield a powerful tool that may move mountains or end wars. Worst is when it is used for evil unknowingly. Wake up!

The truth is in the ice cream.

Human brain is not made for comfort (2.33 / 3) (#94)
by svampa on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 08:12:12 PM EST

Fundamentally, pleasure exists to motivate us and to reward behaviors which help us to survive and prosper

Evolution has created behaviors (some of them very complex) in order to cover basic necesities: eat, drink, reproduction etc. In the wild nature those necesities are not easy to satisfy. What evolution never thought is that it will be so successful that such necsities don't exist anymore, and behaviors stop being useful.

In fact, evolution is doing a good work, that problem of comfort affects only 10% of the specie. For the rest of human kind, that persuit of pleasure is still very useful for survival.

And nobody knows what could happen tomorrow to taht 10%, a new 1929 crack? a war? a meteorite?.... Instinct will always stand there to help us to survive.



Yawn (2.14 / 7) (#110)
by pickpocket on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 10:27:18 PM EST

Bourgeois Epicureanism...how original.

"Just as with any other source of pleasure, the pleasure which drugs can give must be intermittant or it will disappear entirely. To be replaced with the joyless routine suffering that is addiction." Not true. Benign drugs, such as ecstasy and pot, are not physically addictive whatsoever. Of course, psychological addiction is always a possibility, but it's a completely different thing. In my experience, drugs CAN make you happy and are much more reliable and effective than changes in behaviour or cognition. Regardless, any pleasure you get from, say, gardening, love or a walk in the rain could, given enough time, be traced back to certain chemicals and artificially synthesized.

"Fundamentally, pleasure exists to motivate us and to reward behaviors which help us to survive and prosper. A creature in a constant state of pleasure has no motivation to do anything whatsoever." False choice. Most people suffer needlessly, to different extents, from everyday problems like depression, anxiety and stress. This must cost the economy millions or even billions in wasted money, not to mention lost time and energy. It's quite possible, and rational, to use drugs or even "wireheading" to alleviate unnecessary suffering without distracting the user from reality. That's the idea of anti-depressants, of course.

There's one solution to the 'wirehead problem'... (2.75 / 4) (#116)
by anakata on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 01:39:02 AM EST

Make it increase naturally originated pleasure instead of blasting the damn thing on max all the time. That way you'll still have a drive to eat, sleep, fuck, create, etc., but everything will be SO much more fun.
Cogito, ergo infestus sum.
What of Comfort (1.50 / 2) (#124)
by computao on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 04:51:44 AM EST

What of Pleasure
BBE8 DOTCOM
weakness in final analysis (1.85 / 7) (#125)
by boxofcookie on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 07:34:16 AM EST

hi im new here... per the faq thing i prob. couldve reviewed your article b4 release if i joined earlier. but your article compelled me to join :)

definitely a nice article. but i must point out a weakness in your article, if you ever get to read this though.

your argument is weakened when you say "his life would still be far from enviable."

being a philosophic writing, esp. dealing with perception of self and relation of self to society, you would want to reevaluate what "enviable" would be. If i lack biological pleasure, i would envy the guy who can produce pleasure at will (of course, removed of the fear of death, from starving or practical uselessness in society, and removed of other aversions).
that said, the only reason, i think, that any human would get out of the wirehead state, is cognitive, as in, if you didn't have ability to reason, pleasuring yourself to death is a fair option.

thus your final analysis can be attacked.
nothing necessitates a feeling of purpose. a feeling of purpose is also cognitively on a higher level than the wirehead stimulation. nothing guarantees a "need" of feeling of achievement.

so to answer "why would anybody choose anything else?" it would be less of a separate need of pleasure (ie a need of feeling of accomplishment), but more because people reason, and they would reason they are better off (in their personal definition of value) not becoming a wirehead.

If you were kept in a box and never educated, and suddenly got the device to control all pleasure in your head, i dont think anything would prevent you from becoming like the rat that got itself starved from lever pressing

death to the world... (2.77 / 9) (#129)
by gzt on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 10:31:31 AM EST

...is the last true rebellion.

here is what st. isaac the syrian says about the world:

The world is the general name for all passions. When we wish to call the passions by a common name, we call them the world. But when we wish to distinguish them by their special names, we call them passions. The passions are the following: love of riches, desire for possessions, bodily pleasures from which comes sexual passion, love of honor gives rise to envy, lust for power, arrogance and pride of position, the craving to adorn oneself with luxurious clothing and vain ornaments, the itch for human glory which is a source of rancor and resentment, and physical fear. Where these passions cease to be active, there the world is dead....

Someone has said of the Saints that while alive they were dead; for though living in the flesh, they did not live for the flesh. See for which of these passions you are alive. Then you will know how far you are alive to the world, and how far you are dead to it.
--St. Isaac the Syrian, 7th Century

yours is rather pedestrian in comparison, yo. totally not punk rock enough.

This is mostly a content free comment, (none / 1) (#131)
by skyknight on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 06:18:50 PM EST

but I'll say it anyway...

This is the best K5 article in quite a while.



It's not much fun at the top. I envy the common people, their hearty meals and Bruce Springsteen and voting. --SIGNOR SPAGHETTI
Duh. (2.00 / 5) (#135)
by delmoi on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 11:49:56 PM EST

Therein lies the rub. Comfort is what we feel when we have no strong need for anything, when we are not hungry, not horny, not dying for a leak... and yet pleasure comes from relieving these urgent needs. If we want to feel true pleasure, we cannot be comfortable all the time. That's what drugs are for.
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"'argumentation' is not a word, idiot." -- thelizman
My opinion. Questions. Reading. (2.50 / 4) (#138)
by freestylefiend on Sun Nov 21, 2004 at 06:12:29 PM EST

I find this interesting because I have been wondering what happiness is for some time. I had begun to favour another answer, namely that happiness is comfort and that pleasure is essential to happiness only in that it is a consequence of relieving inevitable discomfort.

A related question which interests me is how my level of comfort could be compared to me not having any sensation at all. Some people feel that death (assuming that there is no sensation in death) is better than severe discomfort, while others feel that living is always better than being dead. Does discomfort always make life not worth living? Should everybody who could have been less comfortable be glad to live? Is there some other point at which a level of comfort makes life worth living? Can no reasonable comparison be made between the comfort of the living and the dead? (If we can't compare the living and the dead, then can it ever be rational to commit suicide)?

Can you suggest any further reading?

Pleasure and comfort are BOTH distractions (1.75 / 4) (#139)
by rpresser on Sun Nov 21, 2004 at 11:26:47 PM EST

"For it is in giving that we receive; it is in pardoning that we are pardoned; and it is in dying that we are born to eternal life."
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"In terms of both hyperbolic overreaching and eventual wrongness, the Permanent [Republican] Majority has set a new, and truly difficult to beat, standard." --rusty
Oh (1.20 / 5) (#140)
by ShiftyStoner on Mon Nov 22, 2004 at 12:26:24 AM EST

 At first I thought this was going to be a a joke.

 Like, if you're surrounded by empty bottles and boxes of tweenkies, you just might be a comfort addict.

 Or, if your asshole grows a clit and starts menstruating, you just might be a comfort addict.
( @ )'( @ ) The broad masses of a population are more amenable to the appeal of rhetoric than to any other force. - Adolf Hitler

nothing is before thinking (none / 1) (#146)
by oh ah eric cantona on Mon Nov 22, 2004 at 04:05:14 PM EST

before thinking is nothing, only once you give up your attachments will you find nothing, when you have found nothing you will have : enlightenment. KATZ . this is zen
01->1, 10->1, 00->0, 11->0
"why" (3.00 / 3) (#148)
by horseflesh on Mon Nov 22, 2004 at 07:09:12 PM EST

While thought provoking, this article does not take into account the "why". Making love to your rivals significant other is more pleasurable than just making love. Gorging on truly healthy food can be more enjoyable than just gorging (for some). The "why" or reasoning behind pleasurable experiences can physically alter or enhance the experience itself. Therefore making pure stimulation a bit lacking in dimension for the fully concsious human, and as such less pleasurable. The brain will take into account sensory and informatic experience. We cannot reasonably expect wires to replace the diversity of the world translated with its particulars (to the individual) for causing pleasure.

Society Knows This (2.50 / 2) (#155)
by Russell Dovey on Tue Nov 23, 2004 at 08:03:40 AM EST

This addiction to comfort has provoked cries for help such as fantasy novels, sci-fi novels, movies etc in which life isn't so comfortable, but a person's actions actually mean something.

I find this irritating. We already live in such a world, but the fantasists are TOO FUCKING COMFORTABLE in their particular part of it to go out and make a difference!

It's a vicious cycle, of course.

Maybe that's what wars are for. Shake things up, jolt people out of their lotus-eating, self-centred, hypocritical lives and force them to LIVE damnit LIVE!

Must be a better way.

"Blessed are the cracked, for they let in the light." - Spike Milligan

I seem to remember... (2.50 / 2) (#158)
by localroger on Tue Nov 23, 2004 at 10:44:31 PM EST

...reading a story about this once. In fact, it was by someone with a name a lot like mine. There might even be a link to it in the header of this comment.

Too bad this went up while I was on vacation, because I'd have voted for it; it is the central problem the Singularitarians have failed to face.

BTW, you should read A Criminal History of Mankind by Colin Wilson. In the guise of an omnibus review of the history of murder, he proposes a solution to this particular problem. It impressed me, but I'm not sure how universally workable it is.

What will people of the future think of us? Will they say, as Roger Williams said of some of the Massachusetts Indians, that we were wolves with the min

Good. (none / 0) (#169)
by PunkAssBitch on Mon Nov 29, 2004 at 01:21:43 PM EST

I've always casually wondered about variations of this topic, the question of why we sometimes do things that aren't easiest, never really coming up with a good answer.

"Why go through the trouble of preparing a meal from scratch after work when we're both hungry? Why not just go out to eat tonight?"  Dunno.  It's cheaper, sort of.  Food cooked at home is better ... sometimes.  It's more fun to make it.  It's healthier ... but not if we go somewhere healthy.  None of those answers really satisfy - it just seems like the right thing to do.

"Why grow tomatoes when the farmer's market has good ones that are actually cheaper", "why build shit when we could just buy it", "why not have a snack if you're hungry while waiting for dinner", etc.

My own half ass answers have included vague ramblings on yins and yangs, talk of no good without bad, and so forth.  Your answer is better, and provides a context for such questions that may just be convincing.

This is just the beginning (3.00 / 2) (#172)
by Steeltoe on Wed Dec 01, 2004 at 09:22:04 AM EST

As long as life is a struggle, there is an illusionary meaning to it. Always something more to be gained, to "improve" around you.

People start at a young age, starting to think grownups have more fun. People go to school, longing to be in a job and making money. As we get a job, we fancy a new car would make things sweeter. A new car later, something still feels lacking, but we quickly find the answer: new gadgets, bigger housing, a lawn, a new partner and a few more GHz.

We do this, thinking that when we reach this next stage, then we will be happy. But when that moment arrives, a new hindrance to happiness has arrived, in our mind. We continue to postpone happiness. Haven't we been doing this our whole life?

We have the privilege to truly investigate life, because most 95% of the population is busy with just staying alive.

Only one moment truly exists: Now. Can you ever be happy in the future, or in the past? Neither truly exist in a sense. Except in our mind, where we let that imaginary existence disturb us daily.

I've found what I have been searching for, called many names in the past, in Spirituality. To name one organisation that truly live the human values 100% I have to mention Art of Living. I absolutely vouch for their course, and always recommend it to people I meet who are interested. There is such depth and broadness, truly eye-openers and all the magic ingredients for living life to its full potential is there. It is so simple, it may seem too simple, this is how you know you're on the right path.

There is a remedy for your pains and struggle, but comfort is not it.

You can easily become comfortable with Everything though.


Explore the Art of Living

Reminds me of the Unabomber manifesto (none / 0) (#174)
by Hari Seldon on Sat Dec 04, 2004 at 07:47:28 AM EST

I enjoyed the article and it puts me in mind of the Unabobmer manifesto. I actually read the manifesto prior to his apprehension and before knowing anything about his 'solution'.

Here in the UK, until he was caught, the unabomber didn't get any coverage (that I could see anyway). So I was with him most of the way until he said something like "this is why we have to kill people".

Anyway, the article, it seems to me touches on the same fundamental issues.

The article:

"middle classes make up a large proportion of the west's population. Millions of people across the western world have gained the ability to escape discomfort almost entirely, and many of them have been foolish enough to do so".

The Unabomber Manifesto:

"In modern industrial society only minimal effort is necessary to satisfy one's physical needs. It is enough to go through a training program to acquire some petty technical skill, then come to work on time and exert very modest effort needed to hold a job. The only requirements are a moderate amount of intelligence, and most of all, simple OBEDIENCE. If one has those, society takes care of one from cradle to grave"

Just a thought

Hari

welcome (none / 1) (#177)
by keleyu on Mon Mar 21, 2005 at 02:44:21 AM EST

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