Disguisting. Saying the nullo link is "disturbing" is a horrible understatement. Reading about 2 pages down to the castration part, I started to shake, became queasy, and then had to literally go throw-up in the bathroom. I can't even adjust my balls they are so sensitive to the imaginary pain. Fuck that. I would give this a -100 if I could. Fucking perverts invading the site. --
"Fuck off, preferably with a bullet, if you can find one that's willing to defile itself by being in your head for a split second." - Now, don't hold back. by losthalo, 07/27/2003 05:36:28 PM EST (4.00 / 3) yeah by Bill Melater, 07/27/2003 09:38:09 PM EST (4.00 / 2) Don't be such a p***y. by V, 07/28/2003 01:30:31 AM EST (3.88 / 9)
...has an inspirational message tattooed on his forearm so that every time he reaches for something he sees a little reminder of why he's given up drinking.
Not exactly extreme, I know. Not even body modification in the sense this article is talking about, but I thought it might be interesting to bring up an example of non-decorative, purposeful tattooing.
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- Hey... by livus, 07/27/2003 08:14:35 PM EST (3.50 / 2)
- Nah by Tatarigami, 07/27/2003 08:49:01 PM EST (3.50 / 2)
- which phrase is it? [nt] by fae, 07/27/2003 09:58:58 PM EST (1.50 / 2)
If you cut off your balls... (2.71 / 7) (#143)
by Stick on Sun Jul 27, 2003 at 08:09:52 PM EST
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How the hell are you meant to piss?
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Stick, thine posts bring light to mine eyes, tingles to my loins. Yea, each moment I sit, my monitor before me, waiting, yearning, needing your prose to make the moment complete. - Joh3n
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I looked at that first website. (2.50 / 2) (#152)
by debacle on Sun Jul 27, 2003 at 09:51:22 PM EST
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There's a guy with a split in his glans WTF?
And the whole plating and nail thing made me think of the Phyrexians (If you don't know who they are, don't worry about it).
Are we all destined to become Borg?
God I hope not.
It tastes sweet.
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Shit I had a very unsettling experience (3.00 / 5) (#159)
by arvindn on Mon Jul 28, 2003 at 01:30:18 AM EST
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I read the article about the twins who switched an arm. I've never considered myself squeamish, so I was rather shocked when this happened:
I'd reached the part about the finger, when the blood started draining from my head and I was feeling very faint. Soon I was seeing stars. Somehow I managed to logout and get out of the room (all the while seeing nothing but stars) after which I gulped down a glass of water and talked about it with another guy and then I was okay.
At the time of reading it I was running a temperature and hadn't eaten in a long time, I don't think I would have reacted that badly if not for that, but still it was very unsettling.
BTW, I'm a liberal and these people have a right to do whatever they want with themselves and everything, but its stupid to pretend that those who amputate their limbs don't have severe mental/psychological disorders.
So you think your vocabulary's good?
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Everyone wants to be special.
If you can't juggle, cover you body in tattoos. If you can't play guitar in a punk rock band, split your dick in two! It's the same thing ... just pick the one that demands less practise!
Like I really care.
The only thing that impresses me about all of this is how people can become so consumed by the need to feeling apart from those around them that they mutilate themselves to such an extent.
Putting on your underwear will be more exhilirating! Going to the washroom and cleaning yourself becomes an event!
... woo-f*cking-hoo ...
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hmm...I've actually been to a "suspension party" recently (okay a few months ago). It was strange, no doubt about it, but I would not put suspensions in the same catagory as limb removal. There was no permanent damage done to any of the folks who went up (they were very careful about infection and weight-bearing limits of the hooks), so the only evidence that these folks had done it was in their heads and on their cameras.
To me, anyway, that puts suspension in a catagory of "odd, but not that out-of-control", unlike, say, cutting a hole in your own head. (Of course, you do desensitize to the whole experience after watching 4 or 5 people in a row get hooks put in their backs and get raised into the air by them.)
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Not easily shocked I read your article with great interest, but shouldn't the line be drawn stating that "Yet it is clear that we have much more difficulty coming to terms with others who wish to make themselves different of their own accord. Is this a double standard?"
The article is no longer an observation, but questions people who sincerly believe man should not temper with the abilities he has. Living is about gaining abilities in a cultural context, not crippling the few one is born with.
Unlike some other posters I disagree with any statement saying people are free to do with themselves whatever they like. It is a wrongfull conclusion of focusing on the individual. Everyone is still part of a social group (however boring that may sound) and disregarding the responsibility to that group is neglecting the foundation of today's world and culture.
In recent years more and more articles in newspapers have a way of bending the rules from the pure philosophy to the bare existence of the naked human life. Examples of good and bad are misused to facilitate the justification of abnormal behaviour.
I can only kindly ask to be more aware of the influence media has on the thinking of it's public.
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Legally this is an interesting area (4.00 / 2) (#180)
by nebbish on Mon Jul 28, 2003 at 10:00:10 AM EST
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Laws (and enforcement) to regulate self mutilation seem sensible from a health and safety point of view, but repressive of personal liberty. Im not totally sure what the laws that cover this are in Europe and the States, but I get the impression there is little enforcement.
Its a hard choice, and I have the unusual notion that the legal grey area surounding it is actually a desirable thing, letting people get on with what they want to do to their bodies through illegal surgery - surgery that I don't think any responsible society could actually legalise.
I find it interesting that there are areas of life like this that law just finds too complicated to deal with.
--------- Kicking someone in the head is like punching them in the foot - Bruce Lee
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These people are just morons (4.55 / 9) (#183)
by lukkk on Mon Jul 28, 2003 at 10:15:31 AM EST
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But I wonder if this is how our parents feel about tattoos.
"But mom, all the other kids had their dicks amputated too!"
"No Billy, why don't you take a tattoo or piercing instead?"
"Tattoos and piercings are so 1900's!"
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I want my testosterone (3.75 / 4) (#186)
by slon! on Mon Jul 28, 2003 at 11:01:17 AM EST
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Thank God the gene that makes people remove their balls is either recessive or they do it before spawning another miscreant. I don't fancy idea being the only one with balls <g>.
Honestly, I don't care what they do with their bodies, after all it is THEIR body. But I want my testosterone, it makes me fuck girls, forces me drive my car extremly fast and recklessly and do other stupid things. Definitely zen-like calm isn't my ideal.
-- It is right to believe in the need to be free.
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...this squicked me out until my vision started to become obscured by swirling blackout patterns.
I was all set to denounce this as the foulest sort of moral relativist madness in its advocacy of horrible self-disfigurement...
...but then I asked myself what I would do if a long term memory annex chip could be implanted in the skull, or a set of super-jumping synthetic legs. Without a doubt, I would want those pieces of technology grafted to my flesh...
...even though it would, by nature, involve a self-trepanation or double-limb amputation.
Even though my own decision to go under the knife would be motivated by an intention to enhance my capabilities rather than some twisted personal aesthetic goal, it certainly curtails much criticism of the latter... at least from anyone interested in cybernetic enhancement.
--
"Jumpin Jesus H. Christ riding a segway with a little fruity 1 pint bucket of Ben and Jerry's rainbow fairy-berry crunch in his hand." --
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...because ninjas have the REAL ULTIMATE POWER!!! Anybody who thinks body modification is better than ninjas better get a life right now or they will be gifted with the ULTIMATE body modification, ninjas will chop your head off!!!
It's an easy choice, if you ask me.
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"Ninjas are sooooooooooo sweet that I want to crap my pants." -Robert Hamburger
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Learn something new every day... (4.00 / 5) (#193)
by avdi on Mon Jul 28, 2003 at 01:25:14 PM EST
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Limbs are large, crucial parts of the body that are necessary for everyday living. To have a limb removed will cause a major disability that will permanently hinder an individuality's mobility or hand skills.
You don't say?
-- Now leave us, and take your fish with you. - Faramir
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It's amazing the things people will turn their minds to once they don't have the day-to-day struggle of survival to occupy them. Somehow I just can't imagine one of my primitive ancestors moping about, unable to get up the nerve to skewer a mammoth because he's too preoccupied with how unsightly his left nut is. I have nothing against decadence; in fact I view the fact that we have the time for such increasing amounts of silliness as a good measure of our progress. But I have to laugh sometimes at how more and more things become virtual "necessities" as we plod our way up Maslow's heirarchy...
Personally, I don't have a problem with what people do to themselves. I may regard them as morons, but they have a right to fsck with their own bodies.
Politically I think there's a limit to how much their "rights" need to be protected - no one who whacks of their own limbs should then be able to demand a job that requires a full set of limbs on the grounds of equal hiring laws. And in a society with government-funded healthcare, I think it's perfectly reasonable to outlaw some forms of EBM, since cutting off part of your own body virtually garauntees that you're going to be a drain on the system for years to come. Which is yet another argument for keeping government out of healthcare.
-- Now leave us, and take your fish with you. - Faramir
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I thought we locked up people who were dangers to themselves rather than allow surgeons to help them hurt themselves.
I suppose it raises interesting questions about how much freedom a severely distrubed person should get. I don't think I know the answer.
I've always felt we should make illegal drugs legal and I suppose that allowing someone to take herion isn't that different from letting a someone amputate their own leg. A drug addict, by definition, has a psychological problem. But I think they should be allowed to take their drugs since we can't really stop them anyway. I don't know if we can stop people from cutting off their legs though.
I'm like Jesus, only better.
Democracy Now! - your daily, uncensored, corporate-free grassroots news hour
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- surgeons? by modmans2ndcoming, 07/28/2003 06:06:37 PM EST (3.00 / 1)
actually details the events of a crime which should send the perpetrators to prison. There are laws against tying people up and chopping off their penises, whether or not you think they really want you to or not, or whether they come to "accept" it later or not.
And yes it made me very light-headed and I had to fight back some fairly powerful nausea.
Again, if one guy is yelling at you to stop, and you cut off his penis, you should go to prison whether the victim wants to press charges or not -- the state can and should prosecute in this case. --
your straw man is on fire...
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- Umm... by LilDebbie, 07/29/2003 03:58:11 PM EST (5.00 / 2)
I read the interview with the twins. I don't all that much regarding limb transplants between biological twins, but, how likely is it that you can snatch an arm, and stick in on your chest, without it atrophying?
The picture was... interesting, but obviously could have been photo-shopped.
peas,
j
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there aren't too many polynesian words that made it into the english language, the most prominent and widely used is "tatau."
the tattooer was regarded as one of the highest ranking tribal members and commanded a large sum of monies for their body art.
tattoing was highly ritualized, requiring weeks to complete all the while chanting and drumming accompanied the process. it is a rite of passage which the boys of the tribe went through to become a man.
just some background on the whole body modification thing....something to make you go hmmmm. Independent Media Magazine
www.indiemediamagazine.com
Independent Media for Independent Minds
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Maybe it's my cynical nature but I am a bit suspicious about the twin with the three arms...
a) The surgery would be damn difficult.
b) I can find no other reference to these people on the web.
c) 'Dave' looks 'cut-n-paste' on the first of the pics.
d) The pics are suspiciously low-res.
d) The interview was posted April 1st 1999.
Anyone have any 'proof' of this one?
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- Proof? by Wayfarer, 07/28/2003 05:58:36 PM EST (5.00 / 2)
This makes me thankful that . . . (4.50 / 4) (#203)
by Dphitz on Mon Jul 28, 2003 at 02:23:41 PM EST
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I have plenty of hobbies to occupy my spare time. And I realize that the male genitalia aren't the most beautiful things in the world but they help me pee, have lots of sex, watch football and play video games so I think I'll hang on to them. I'm sure when the technology allows it, some of these people would love to simply be a floating brain in a jar. At least it would be easier to store them on shelves in the looney house.
God, please save me . . . from your followers
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are effects of mental illness. it is sad that many people are looking at these sick people and considering them as a sub culture rather than mentally ill. I mean....are paranoid schizophrenia patients a sub culture?
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Reports of Happiness Unbelievable (3.50 / 2) (#209)
by CoolName on Mon Jul 28, 2003 at 07:15:34 PM EST
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To prevent suicide perhaps in very rare instances and after many roadblocks have been surmounted such operations should be performed. There is no limit to the strangeness of some people and to keep someone alive a few of these operations might be legitimately done. But regardless of what someone says no one who has a leg or legs amputated for cosmetic reasons is happy.
"What does your conscience say? -- 'You shall become the person you are.'" Friedrich Nietzsche
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It is a well known joke, (notice it was posted April 1st).
The guy doesn't have three arms, and doesn't have an alien finger. Neither of those is within the realm of conventional medicine.. though I'm sure a blood supply could be rigged up to an arm, it would certainly not be as they describe.. same goes for the finger. It would also not function.
I'm not basing this on the posting date only; I recall when this was posted, and the magazine clearly revealed it to be a joke.
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From someone who has felt these feelings... (4.66 / 6) (#212)
by Jafafa Hots on Mon Jul 28, 2003 at 07:29:59 PM EST
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Hi.
I'm wondering just how much of this may be due to a chemical imbalance in the brain.
The reason I say this is because I've had these thoughts, to some lesser extent, and in some cases I'm positive they were caused by psych meds.
Ever since I was 11, I've wanted to have a genital piercing. An ampallang, to be specific. I haven't had it done, but still think about it often. That's about the most extreme as far as what might be considered in the "normal" range.
But when I was on psych meds prescribed for supposed Bipolar disorder, I started acting very strangely and having odd thoughts.
I believe this was mostly due to a feel of "deadness" inside, I couldnt feel any emotion whatsoever. I started using street drugs to try to feel SOMETHING.
My doctors resisted letting me get off the meds, I was hospitalized 3 times, each time they added more meds making things worse.
Eventually I got to the point where I started cutting myself. I felt a huge compulsion to cut into my arm. I had the urge to partially dissect it.
When I found myself cutting and not being satisfied with the blade I was using, and making plans to go buy sharper intruments to cut myself with, I checked into a hospital.
That just make things worse, more meds.
Eventually I just decided to go it on my own, and despite my doctors objections, I stopped the meds. I feel much better, and I don't have the desire to cut myself anymore.
I still think about piercing to some degree, though would settle for earlobes at least for starters. And I think about getting a tattoo, but thats about it.
Where does this come from? I don't know. Clearly some was caused by the brain chemicals they had me on... but I have always had certain thoughts... figured they were normal. FOr instance, while I didn't WANT an amputation, I often would think about how cool it would be, if you NEEDED one, leg for instance, to keep the bones. I know I would specifically request at least a section on leg bone, perhaps to have carved, or scrimshaw... or fashion a pendant or ring.
I once saw a young man missing both legs, wearing shorts, and his prosthetic legs were amazing, he was running around, dashing into a store from his car, and seemed more fit and energetic and mobile than most people with "regular" legs.
That technology amazes me. Imagine what they can do if they get beyond the psychological need to have prosthectics somewhat reminiscent of the real thing... perhaps spring loaded legs for incredible running or leaping?
If I needed an arm amputated, the hell with a lousy plastic rendition of a human hand. If it has to be fake, I'd want HIGH TECH.
I'd want a cordless rechargeable arm with a removable hand, storage compartments, drill bits, a socket set, maybe a PDA in the side, what have you.
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reminds me of grunge (5.00 / 4) (#214)
by Lenny on Mon Jul 28, 2003 at 07:47:04 PM EST
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there will be a backlash. body mods, tattoos, etc were once fairly unique. Now they're part of pop culture. That makes me laugh. Those people who thought they were so special and different helped give birth to a popular movement. It is now chic. And most of the mods are difficult if not impossible to reverse. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
"Hate the USA? Boycott everything American. Particularly its websites..."
-Me
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sometimes it's nice to feel normal.
All the animals come out at night - whores, skunk pussies, buggers, queens, fairies, dopers, junkies, sick, venal. Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets.
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Democracy has introduced a wonderful concept in our culture: let each individual have their own voice.
Sometimes I feel that this concept is being abused. This is one of those times.
People, self-mutilation is not a sub-culture. It is not a trend, fad or movement. It's a disease. It's a psychological imbalance that may or may not have a chemical base.
Get it?
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Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think
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... why the Winamp creators called themselves "Nullsoft" :]
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The "Elastrator" tool - utter bullshit (none / 0) (#247)
by jabber on Tue Jul 29, 2003 at 07:26:34 PM EST
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Showing an ice-pick up one's nose does not make it a "nose pick". Putting a dildo on a reciprocating saw does not, suddenly, make it "intended" for penetration. Just because you can use a Black & Decker cordless drill to perform a trepanation, does not make it The Trepanator™!
Just because some freak uses a tool to put a rubber band in a place where it will cut off the blood supply to his testicles, does not mean that this is the purpose of the tool.
These things are used to quickly and easily place rubber bands on the claws of live lobsters. Their original purpose is more likely this than castration.
[TINK5C]
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Why do we all look stupid during these days? (none / 0) (#251)
by chanio on Tue Jul 29, 2003 at 10:23:09 PM EST
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Is it me or are these political times, that make us all look as if we have suddenly discovered that we were stupid and we didn't notice until some clever man told us so?
Besides the fear that might accompany these thoughts, what is obvious is that there is a line between what one wants to do with and from his freedom, and what others decide that he must pass through, don't you think?
But I am always going to keep on scaring myself: only about what I might decide to do, tomorrow...
These odd ideas are not very different from the owned by people trying to enhance their body to get a better job, or sacrify their freedom to get better paid, survive, win a war, etc. ________________
Farenheit Binman:
This worlds culture is throwing away-burning thousands of useful concepts because they don't fit in their commercial frame.
My chance of becoming intelligent!
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Surely one of the most satisfying moments of every day would be forever missing. What do you scratch first thing in the morning?
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I'd be happy if I could just get rid of this wart on my finger.
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- Well... by SoupIsGoodFood, 07/30/2003 08:07:29 PM EST (5.00 / 2)
- Ya know by Bill Melater, 07/30/2003 10:15:07 PM EST (none / 0)
- Smiley faces by SoupIsGoodFood, 08/01/2003 12:12:25 AM EST (none / 0)
How do I get to another planet? (3.00 / 2) (#263)
by CoolName on Wed Jul 30, 2003 at 01:37:46 PM EST
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I think this planet is best abandoned. If people of earth think nullification and drilling holes in their head is the secret to happiness I am all for emigrating to a distant star system. Some one just has to invent a warp drive.
"What does your conscience say? -- 'You shall become the person you are.'" Friedrich Nietzsche
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You know, I try to be a tolerant and understanding person. Gay people, other races, people with oddball kinks, I try to take it all in stride.
Even so, I still can't figure out when being fucking stupid, not to mention crazy, constituted a sub-culture.
Might as well quit prosecuting the murderers because we have to respect the killing subculture, y'know?
"The problem is, there's no shit... people shit, animal shit. You ought to spray everyone with shit as they walk in." - Hob Gadling, The Sandman
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Boy do I have a body modification for you! Dump propane all over yourself and light a match.
I don't know where you get off on removing your arms, legs and (*gasp*) manhood; do you never want to be normal again? Mutilating yourself is not normal, it's not a sub-culture: it's stupid.
I'm not being intolerant of those who've had their parts taken off, alone. But, one must remember that this action is the result of another disfunction — I'd be disgusted to think of a disfunction that'd make you qant to do that and quick to want them shut off from the rest of society in an institution of some kind.
That is all.
Grrr....
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An Amazing New Concept... (4.00 / 1) (#273)
by derby on Fri Aug 01, 2003 at 04:26:45 AM EST
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A close friend of mine introduced me to this forum, stressing that it is a good place for rational, intelligent debate and or/presentation of new ideas, perspectives, and such. With this in mind, I read the preceeding article...a bit shocking, if you've never watched the Learning Channel or Maury Povich. And, yes, the links were a bit unsettling, but I didn't get nauseated, my vision didn't blur, my balls didn't start to ache. Rather,I found it amusing. The following comments, however, I did find somewhat more disturbing. Maybe it's because i grew up with my mother working as a lab tech at a hospital, hearing horror stories about motorcycle accidents and the like, but i didn't think that simple text could be so effective at turning stomachs...that, or I've joined a forum of people with no physical constitution. More disturbing, however, is the comments on the author of said article being a pervert, or a sick bastard, or gullible, etc. As a group of people who seem to like to keep up on cultural goings-on, I would think you would be aware of an amazing new idea, known among a certain few as playing the role of Devil's Advocate. If you aren't familiar with it, the concept goes like this: Say you read about something, or hear something, that makes a valid point, or presents a new idea, which you may or may not agree with, but you can understand from a separate, analytical point of view. When someone attacks said case unfairly, if you understand the point of the article, regardless of whether or not you agree with it, you may feel compelled to defend its validity. This is known as Playing The Devil's Advocate. Having said that, I find it rather crude that you could blast the author of this article so harshly, as if he desires to take a chainsaw to his own limbs, or castrate himself. Perhaps if I find anything even remotely as bizarre, I'll think twice about posting an article on it...
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Reagarding My Previous Comment (none / 0) (#274)
by derby on Fri Aug 01, 2003 at 05:08:10 AM EST
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I was unaware of the discrepancies between the HTML and Plain-Text formats, resulting in my comment's transformation into a single paragraph. I apologize sincerely, to both you and your ocular muscles, and offer a complete and utter retraction of any offense this may have caused. If that's not enough of an apology, then I don't like you either.
Sincerely,
Derby
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- hah by Goggs, 08/02/2003 08:07:13 AM EST (none / 0)
All you narrow-minded morons who are saying that body modification is "sick," and is "the same as crime" etc need a big fucking clue. I bet some of you have tatoos. Some of you probably have piercings. So wtf is so acceptable about poking holes in your body and permanently damaging your skin if more drastic types of body modification are unacceptable?
If you made a more realistic argument like "I don't want my tax money to go to some fuck who cut his leg off for kicks" I would try to understand. Take your ignorant witch hunt propaganda somewhere else.
Take another sip of your grande latte and head to the tatoo parlor to permanently damage your skin on your biceps with a cool japanese letter you have no clue what it means in the hope that it will attract chix at the clubs on saturday... Because damaging your body to be a more efficient social cunt whore is acceptable.
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The Seat of Intelligence (none / 0) (#279)
by djief on Sat Aug 02, 2003 at 01:15:00 PM EST
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Perhaps it would be worth considering that Sentience has a right to choose it's platform and that overcoming the limitations of the body are the next step in human evolution.
It is interesting what this article implies about EBM while ignoring the entire population of disabled persons for whom EBM offers incredible potential.
Biology was repeatedly demonstrated the strength in diversity, both behavioural and physical.
It's time who people to embrace that lesson and understand that it not only lead us to where we are, but is likely to be the only thing that make our continued survival as a species possible. Common sense isn't.
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