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Build your own cruise missile

By StormShadow in Technology
Mon May 05, 2003 at 12:39:21 PM EST
Tags: Freedom (all tags)
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Apparently this fellow is proposing to demonstrate that it would be a relatively simple thing to build your own primitive (yet functional and deadly) cruise missile using off-the-shelf parts and for about $5,000.


The fellow proposing to carry out this attempt previously built a pulse jet engine for about $80,000. His proposed cruise missile will be built around this pulse jet and it will be designed to have a velocity of approximately 500 Km/h, a range of approximately 160 Km and carry a 10 Kg explosive warhead. Therefore, he is not suggesting you can build a sophisticated, long range, and high explosive yield cruise missile with sub-meter accuracy but a more primitive version that would still be a very useful terror weapon.

One thing I noted while looking through his site is that he is not counting the cost of the engine when he states one can build a functioning cruise missile for $5,000. Since he already had done the necessary R&D to create the engine, it is fair not to count that as part of the cost. However, even if you include that cost, you only raise the price to $90,000. This is still well within the reach of terrorist organizations and even resourceful individuals. And, personally, I believe he is correct that it could be done for approximately the price he suggests.

More ominously, the items necessary to build this cruise missile are relatively common and would arouse no suspicion even if purchased all together. Once you have the engine, all you need are suitable GPS receivers, an inertial back-up guidance system (could be as simple as a gyroscope), some microcontrollers to tie the system together and, of course, the software to run the entire system. He is proposing a few more capabilities such as real-time video but one can ignore this as it is not crucial for the performance of the system. Furthermore, although not discussed in his page, it might be possible to build a guidance system that would function by using the cell phone towers common in developed nations to triangulate its position and augment its inertial guidance system (useful in a situation where the GPS system might be selectively denied by the military).

This article is not interesting to me solely based on technical merit (although that is a major part of it for me) but also because of the ethical (if there is such a thing) dilemma presented by the wide-spread publication of a DIY CRUISE MISSILE-HOWTO that will undoubtably be interesting to certain unsavory characters. I do not know what the laws are in New Zealand, but in the United States he could publish detailed schematics, software and pretty much anything else he wants about the project without much fear of prosecution due to 1st Amendment protections. This does not mean the government or even most US citizens would be happy, but it does mean there is little they could legally do about it.

My personal stance on this question is simple: An individual should have the inalienable right to say or publish anything he wants short of fraud or slander. This does not mean an individual should have the right to build and own a stack of cruise missiles but that he should be allowed to know and pass on the knowledge of how to build one. Therefore, I am a very strong supporter of very wide 1st Amendment protection and against European-style censorship of information or unpopular opinions (for example, it is my understanding Mein Kampf is illegal in Germany).

Where does this leave the public and the question of public safety? I honestly do not have an answer to that question. But I do offer that criminalizing or trying to restrict knowledge to the general public rarely achieves the protection one desires and often leaves the public at a distinct disadvantage. Any student who attends graduate school in aerospace engineering would have the capabilities to build such a system if he desired and it would not be much of a problem for terrorist organizations to send members to the United States to take the necessary classes. Therefore, public publication of knowldege (such as the possibility that home-made cruise missiles may be possible) serves the public interest by pressuring the government to do something about it (although, perhaps, there may be no remedy). Finally, I would like to mention that this tension between dangerous knowledge and the 1st Amendment is even more acute in the biological sciences where the equipment necessary to build dangerous pathogens continues to become more common, cheaper, and easier to use with little training.

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DIY Cruise missile?
o Where can I get me one of these! 49%
o This is crazy censor this stuff! 3%
o 1st Amendment should protect this stuff 47%

Votes: 123
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o this fellow
o The fellow
o built a pulse jet engine
o a sophisticated, long range, and high explosive yield cruise missile with sub-meter accuracy
o more primitive
o a gyroscope
o Mein Kampf is illegal in Germany
o more common, cheaper, and easier
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Build your own cruise missile | 113 comments (83 topical, 30 editorial, 0 hidden)
sigh (3.85 / 7) (#7)
by adiffer on Sun May 04, 2003 at 04:33:42 AM EST

Whether this particular person does it or not, it isn't as hard as some people think.  Other engines, other techniques for accuracy, and so on are all available off the shelf.  I'm not rooting for anyone to demonstrate this technology any time soon, though, unless they put enough umpf into it to put the payload into space on a suborbital or orbital ride.

Think on this folks and you will understand why some of us are desparate concering ABM's.
--BE The Alien!

I wonder if we'll try and redact history (3.90 / 11) (#22)
by Ripe Peach on Sun May 04, 2003 at 07:10:06 PM EST

Considering that comparable weapons were being used in 1942 , I think the cat is well out of the bag on this one.

Missing a few key parts... (4.20 / 5) (#24)
by dipierro on Sun May 04, 2003 at 09:06:15 PM EST

Like, umm, some explosives. Not to mention a pickup truck and a garage.

Sure, it's a cruise missle, but hardly a "functional and deadly" one. You could just as easily (and cheaply) throw hand grenades from a hang glider.

The explosives are the parts that are expensive.



As the 31st vote in the poll (1.60 / 10) (#27)
by watercrazy on Sun May 04, 2003 at 09:40:38 PM EST

I was the only one to suggest that we censor this stuff. down with evil!

"Greatness recognizes greatness, and is shadowed by it." --Harold Bloom
Open Source Avionics (3.33 / 6) (#40)
by nomoreh1b on Mon May 05, 2003 at 03:08:19 AM EST

I guess the next step now is producing an Open Source Avionics system so the $5K cruise missile will still be effective even if stuff like GPS is shut off.

Still, there is a lot you can do with a $30K suicide bomber that can't be done with a $5K cruise missile. The main thing that I would expect these cruise missiles to be useful for is groups that have a fair degree of technical capability compared to their ability to produce martyrs. That means they'd be more useful to folks like Tim McVeigh or the Unabomber than the Islamic terrorists.



"European Style" (4.45 / 11) (#41)
by fhotg on Mon May 05, 2003 at 05:00:32 AM EST

censorship is often overinterpreted. For example, "Mein Kampf" is not illegal per se in Germany. You can legally buy, sell and own copies. You are not allowed to display them for sale and advertise them, particularly in a propagandistic context. But in an antiquaric context you can get away with it.

The problem amazon ran into was that they were selling pirated material. The copyright of this book is owned by the state of Bavaria which tries to inhibit new editions by just not granting the rights.

US law enforcement (4.00 / 4) (#46)
by SamBC on Mon May 05, 2003 at 08:16:11 AM EST

This does not mean the government or even most US citizens would be happy, but it does mean there is little they could legally do about it.

Of course, this always stopped them in the past, and they never equivocated to eliminate all human rights to people they suspected of aiding terrorists in some way - and I'm sure they could see this as aiding terrorism.



Hmm... (3.50 / 6) (#51)
by Run4YourLives on Mon May 05, 2003 at 11:28:55 AM EST

Ok, so it's easy to build a cruise missle. Big deal. I mean really, aside from science for science itself, who the hell needs a cruise missle?

I don't buy into the whole, "Shit, terrorists might buy a cheap missle" crap.

Besides, there are much more effective means of delivering an attack of their purposes without resorting to building weapons at all. See 9/11 for more details.

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Jef Raskin points out how you could do it even (4.20 / 5) (#53)
by michaelp on Mon May 05, 2003 at 11:55:04 AM EST

more cheaply and perhaps more effectively:

Even jet-powered cruise missiles are less of a threat than the overgrown model planes terrorists might use. Cruise missiles have large infrared and radar signatures and a limited range. To get close enough to the USA to launch a cruise missile, an enemy would have to use Cuba, Mexico, Canada, or a large and visible ship or a vastly expensive submarine. By contrast, Laima-sized missiles are so small and fly so slowly (the Laima droned along at 75 mph) that a modern jet interceptor would find it hard to see them. Interceptors fly too fast and go by a tiny target too quickly to see them - even in the daytime.



"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."

Wow, this made section? (1.42 / 7) (#60)
by Ripe Peach on Mon May 05, 2003 at 12:58:14 PM EST

I'd heard that the standard of technicle articles here was going downhill, but even so, this seems to be scraping the bottom of the barrel.

So what? (4.57 / 7) (#61)
by trhurler on Mon May 05, 2003 at 01:50:42 PM EST

For $5000, I could build a remote control kit for a real airplane too, as long as it doesn't have to land, and then I could just sneak into a rural airport one night, hook it up, load the thing FULL of a lot more than 10kg of payload, and off it goes by remote control. This isn't even interesting. The notion that you can provide real safety in the face of an enemy who doesn't care for his own safety and wants you dead is stupidity. Life is fragile, and any system has cracks that can be exploited. Learn to cope with risk, because it is there anyway.

--
'God dammit, your posts make me hard.' --LilDebbie

Concept (4.00 / 6) (#62)
by Maurkov on Mon May 05, 2003 at 02:10:37 PM EST

This is not a terrorist weapon. As others have noted there are less expensive, less fallible methods of delivering a 10Kg payload.

What is interesting and inevitable is that the progress of technology is going to deliver more and more efficient weapons to terrorists. How do you deal with that without banishing either privacy or freedom?

Protecting weapons 'secrets' is not a fix. At best it will work temporarily, and it has consequences. In order to be recognized as dangerous, the science will have already been done. The genie cliche is accurate: You can't put it back in the bottle. Attempting to contain knowledge hobbles the good guys who are working on positive applications of technology. You get the negative applications regardless.

Maurkov

If You Liked This Article... (2.45 / 11) (#66)
by ricky james on Mon May 05, 2003 at 05:30:31 PM EST

You'll like the considerably more detailed article I wrote on this exact same topic about four months ago over on Sci-Fi Today, another Scoop site that focuses on cutting edge science stories. Not a single person posted a comment on that version (sigh), and we've written over 500 equally good science oriented stories waiting for word of this new Scoop community to get out. PLEASE drop by for a visit frequently - join, comment, contribute, help us grow the SFT site!!! If you like science, SFT could be the community site for you. If one of our stories gives you an idea for a K5 version you want to write up under your own name, that's fine, but we'd sure appreciate at least a mention or tip 'o the hat. If nothing else, sign up to get SFT headlines on your kuro5hin homepage. Thanks, and hope to see you over on SFT!!!

Why Build? (3.00 / 4) (#71)
by Man of 1000 cups on Mon May 05, 2003 at 07:34:52 PM EST

Why would a terrorist build a relatively whimpy cruise missile, when for a slightly better investment they could buy a much more powerful weapon from Russia, North Korea, or from numerous other places on the black market? Hell, maybe they should just drive over to Iraq since it is full of WMD toting Scuds... :-) Or even if they couldn't buy one I'm sure they could kidnap someone who can build a better one than some guy in a garage....

Yes, but... (3.66 / 3) (#74)
by nxor on Mon May 05, 2003 at 11:48:02 PM EST

What's the investment/return ratio?

V1 = First Cruise Missile (3.66 / 3) (#75)
by plonk on Tue May 06, 2003 at 12:09:30 AM EST

Yeah, it was a poor cruise missile. But it was the first one used in combat. You could make it much more effective by replacing the primitive guidance system with a modern, GPS-based system, and increase the warload and/or fuel load by several hundred pounds at the same time.

No worry (5.00 / 1) (#77)
by auraslip on Tue May 06, 2003 at 01:15:18 AM EST

We have a VERY good missle defense system remeber?
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Peaceful use (4.00 / 1) (#85)
by runlevel0 on Tue May 06, 2003 at 09:59:59 AM EST

I can see a lot of scientific/civl uses for such a bird.
It would make a real great atmosferic research vehicle covering the gap between rockets and airplanes.

I can imagine a C3 or thelike carrying a dozen of these things and launching them near a tornado or inside a hurricane. There, those missiles would be more manouverable as conventional rockets, survive better as propeller powered drones and be far more safe as human driven planes.

IMHO this guy could make a living selling those birds for civil purposes.

the only solution... (4.66 / 3) (#90)
by kaibutsu on Tue May 06, 2003 at 03:22:04 PM EST

As far as I can tell, the only solution is to keep anyone from having $8000.
-kaibutsu
So this begs the question: (4.00 / 1) (#93)
by LilDebbie on Tue May 06, 2003 at 10:38:53 PM EST

How many terrorist are also electrical engineers and computer scientists? My understanding of this project is that one would likely need one of both, or maybe just a computer savvy EE to build one of these suckers (an ME might be helpful too). From my own personal experience, EE majors are bitter and dejected individuals, but they seem too cynical and suspicious to join a terrorist organizations. At worst, I could see someone building one and then *selling* it to a terrorist group, but the various world police organizations are pretty good at preventing trafficking (in illegal weapons, not drugs).

My name is LilDebbie and I have a garden.
- hugin -

How on earth... (4.50 / 2) (#99)
by gordonjcp on Wed May 07, 2003 at 05:38:23 AM EST

... does it cost $80,000 dollars to make a pulsejet? All a pulsejet consists of is a length of pipe, a fuel injector, and a reed valve at one end. Have a look at this chap's site for more details, including a pulsejet go-kart.

Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he'll bore you rigid with fishing stories for the rest of your life.


Up next... (5.00 / 1) (#105)
by skyknight on Thu May 08, 2003 at 05:01:22 PM EST

Missile Defense HOWTO

Build your own anti-missile system* in your back yard from parts you can find around your home.

* Some assembly required



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Hey! I want to help! (5.00 / 1) (#108)
by neraka on Tue May 27, 2003 at 04:46:39 AM EST

So who's going to start a sourceforge project for OpenCruiseMissile: the Open Source Cruise Missile Targetting and Tracking System?
-neraka-
Yeah but he's from new zealand (none / 0) (#109)
by livus on Fri Jun 06, 2003 at 11:35:58 PM EST

I dont buy the "terrorist" angle at all, what New Zealander really worries about terrorism? I bet he's really doing it as a continuation of his "kiwi ingenuity".

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There is a time and a place for crucifixions (3.00 / 1) (#110)
by thio on Tue Jun 10, 2003 at 03:59:02 AM EST

Say one hundred innocents are killed with the cruise missile design of this 'gentleman'.I believe this gentleman is then properly crucified. Say one thousand innocents are killed via the cruise missile design of this 'gentleman' then I say crucify this 'gentleman and then entomb the gentleman while still alive. On the other hand free speech is extremely important. So publish and then perhaps perish.

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