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How to quit smoking cigarettes

By mcgrew in Culture
Tue May 13, 2003 at 01:12:07 AM EST
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Disclaimer- this will not work for everyone. In fact, it is very, very hard to do. Quitting cigarettes is the hardest thing I have ever done.

I will start out with how and why I got started, for those nonsmokers who think (and rightly so) that I am an idiot for ever starting in the first place.

If you don't smoke tobacco, I urge you to never start. But if you start, here's what worked for me, and what didn't.


17 in 69

In 1969, everybody smoked. There was no social stigma as now. Mothers smoked as they nursed their babies. Doctors smoked. Nurses smoked. Nearly every adult smoked. They sold candy that looked like cigarettes to kids, in authentic looking boxes, with real cigarette brands. Parents would send their eight year old kids to the store to buy cigarettes for them, and give the kid an extra fifteen cents for some soda or gum as payment for fetching the cigarettes.

You could light up a cigarette almost anywhere that there wasn't anything flamible. In bars, restaraunts, stores. The doctor's office waiting room had ash trays. The few adults that didn't smoke had ash trays in their homes for their smoking friends. All white walls were off-white from the smoke.

High school teachers' lounges had ash trays. You could smoke in a college classroom, in a store, on an airplane. About the only places you couldn't smoke was in church or a pre-college school room.

Both my parents smoked, as did everyone else's. I hated it. I suspect, though, that I was addicted to nicotine long before I lit my first cigarette.

When I would be in a carload of friends as a teenager, I would gag on the smoke. I was the first to roll down the window in the winter and yell "Freeze out!"

This was what got me started- I discovered, though I don't remember how or why, that if I was smoking a cigarette, the smoke wouldn't bother me. When I was in a car load of kids, I'd bum one in order to breathe.

My dad found my smokes- I wasn't in trouble. "Don't expect me to buy 'em for you." At thirty cents a pack, there was no need.

Stopping- but only because I had to

I joined the Air Force when I was 19, and when we couldn't smoke at all for the first two weeks, I discovered to my amazement that I was addicted to them. I kept a couple of packs in my footlocker, and would sneak one in the toilet stall, next to the exhaust fan, at night. I had one of those plastic things you could strap them to your leg with, for the first time we were allowed to have a smoke.

The time finally came- "smoke 'em if you got 'em." Man, I was the most popular guy in the squadron! And I actually copped a buzz on the cigarette.

After basic training, I thought often about quitting. Especially those times I didn't have the thirty five cents for a pack of smokes, or the three dollars for a carton.

After the Air Force when I was in college, I had very, very little money, and the cost of cigarettes kept rising. Non smokers started becoming more numerous, and vocal. I decided to quit.

Quitting... almost... the first time... and again...

I lasted maybe 4 hours. I quit quitting for a year.

They came out with a quitting system called "One Step At A Time," where you bought 4 holders that would filter the smoke. The first "filter" was just a holder, and the last let in nothing but air. You were supposed to go through the 4 filters, then quit.

I went through the whole deal. At the end of the last filter, with one cigarette left, I stuck it in the filter and asked myself, do you really want this cigarette?

Hell yes! I threw away the filter and smoked it- GOD it was heavenly.

A year later, I went cold turkey for a month. I had a doctor prescribe valium so I wouldn't murder anyone. The valium made me want a cigarette worse.

So I threw the pills away... ok, I sold them. And decided to go cold turkey. It lasted a month.

If you've ever smoked cigarettes, you know that there are certain triggers that make you really crave one- after eating, while drinking coffee, while drinking beer. I was sharing a six pack with a friend who hadn't smoked in five years. I really wanted a cigarette.

"How long until I don't want one any more?"

He said he still wanted one. I went for another six pack- and some smokes.

It was years before I seriously tried quitting again. I hated being addicted to them, but I enjoyed them so much! In fact, I didn't even try again until my wife was pregnant with our first child- and she couldn't smoke. Literally. The smell of a cigarette sent her running to the bathroom to puke.

I wound up smoking outside most of the time.

Almost...

Around 1998 I saw my chance, as the wife wanted to quit. By then, everybody was quitting or had quit, and you couldn't smoke at work. I hated going outside in the heat and cold for a butt. We got the patches, and I started learning a few things.

One thing that surprised me was that the habit was as strong as the physical addiction! This is what the patches are good for- getting you over the habit. When I smoked, as I walked down the stairs at work I would pull out that beloved cigarette and have it ready for a light as I walked through the door. A full year after I finally did quit, I was still slapping my pocket as I went down the stairs!

How not to quit

You cannot quit a step at a time. You can't "cut down". You can't gradually quit. When you quit, you have to quit. You have to make the decision that you will never, ever smoke another cigarette again.

I knew this, as I had not only had everyone who had ever successfully quit tell me, but I had tried to cut down gradually enough times I knew it wouldn't work.

We decided to try the patches. The patches actually get you over the habit, so you can concentrate on not smoking, and then get over the nicotine addiction more gradually.

We bought patches, and went three weeks without a cigarette. I had a "killer urge" and had to have a cigarette. There was some tobacco and rolling papers in the house- I rolled up a cigarette.

One puff was all it took. It was nasty. Horrible. "Must have been the patches," I thought, threw it away and brushed my teeth.

We went through the full patch, half patch, quarter patch, no patch (I'll go into detail shortly). I had been off the patches for a few days, and had another killer urge I couldn't resist. Again I rolled a cigarette. Again I took one, nasty puff and threw it away. "Must be because it was a roll your own."

Another month went by, and I had yet another "killer" urge. So did my wife- we had been arguing. She went next door and bummed two Marlboros. I lit mine- and it tasted exactly like the roll your own! I was free at last! Never again would I have to smoke!

Yet another month went by, and we were at a party. We were the only people there not smoking- and we were drinking beer. I had another killer urge, and bummed a Winston. I took a nasty puff- exactly like the Marlboro, exactly like the roll your own. But I had bummed it, and couldn't just take one puff and throw it away. By the time I got to the butt, it tasted damned good. My wife bummed one too.

You can never, EVER smoke a cigarette if you quit, any more than a heroin addict can have another shot, a coke addict can have another snort, or an alcoholic can have another drink. You are an addict. That is the nature of addiction.

The next day, we went for a walk, stopped at a gas station "for a Pepsi," and wound up with a pack of cigarettes, each savoring one of the precious, delightful sticks. In a month we were each back to a pack a day.

Quitting... at last. And the pitfalls

I decided, long before the commmercials about giving up butts for new years, that my nicotine would be a 20th century addiction. I was going to take my last puff on New Years Eve 1999, and see the new century cigarette free.

Making the decision months in advance helped greatly, I am convinced. If you quit on a whim, you will start back up on a whim.

When using the patches, go 3 or 4 weeks on a full patch. It will seem like you have quit- you will have the urges, even though your body is getting its nicotine. Put your patch on first thing in the morning, and leave it on until the next morning.

Clean the spot where the patch will go with rubbing alcohol, as you will likely get skin lesions if not (and maybe if you do).

After the first 3 or 4 weeks, you can cut the patch in half with a scissors, and put on a half a patch. It will work as well as a full sized half strength patch, at half the cost. When you go to the half patch, it will again feel like quitting. You did it before, you can do it again.

Two weeks after that, go for a quarter patch. Two weeks after that, don't use any more patches.

The worst is over. You will have some bad times you really want a cigarette, but don't give in! One cigarette, and you're back at square one again.

When quitting, even while on the patch, there are certain times you will want a cigarette very, very badly. It is a stronger urge than the urge for sex, or food. Needing a cigarette is a terrible thing.

You will want a cigarette after eating, when drinking alcohol, when drinking coffee, leaving work, and when you smell sidestream smoke. You will want a cigarette when you are angry, and you will want a cigarette when you smell bad smells.

Nicotine is a stimulant, and like many other stimulants is an appetite suppressant. This is the reason you want a cigarette when you are hungry- it takes the edge off of the hunger. It is also the reason many people gain weight after quitting- the appetite isn't suppressed, and the metabolism is slower.

After eating, a cigarette makes you feel more satisfied. It also releases certain brain chemicals associated with pleasure. When drinking coffee, the two stimulants combine, and the coffee stimulation makes you want the nicotine stimulation.

Alcohol is a depressant, so your body wants the counteracting stimulant.

When you are angry, you have both the chemical release that tends to calm you down, despite its being a stimulant, plus it gives you a "time out."

Another dangerous pitfall is the fact that since you can't smoke inside most public buildings, you will smell the smoke as you go in or come out. Imagine a cocaine addict trying to quit if there was a cloud of cocaine floating around the entrance to every building!

You must be aware of these pitfalls, especially within the first six months to a year after your last cigarette- because it takes six months to completely rid your body of the nicotine.

Coping strategies

Replace your rituals.

After eating, it is helpful to brush your teeth thoroughly, and use a strong, unpleasant mouthwash like Listerine. Make it a ritual, and it won't be long before it replaces the cigarette. This has the added benefit of making your visits to the dentist less costly.

One of the supposed "benefits" of not smoking is a heihghtened sense of smell. This is true, but it is most certainly NOT a benefit! Food smells the same, flowers smell the same, nice smells smell the same- it is the bad odors that you smell more. Having a lessened sense of smell is actually a banefit of smoking. You will have to learn to deal with bad smells.

When you drink coffee, try to do it where you normally couldn't have a smoke with it- a non-smoking restaraunt, or at work.

If a "killer urge" comes on you, know that it will pass. You will feel better, even if it seems like you never will without a cigarette. Know that if you have a cigarette, you will have to go through the agony of quitting again. You will have the agony of not having a cigarette. Know that after you quit smoking, you can travel on public transportation without the agony of deprival. You can watch an entire movie at a theater, without missing what is almost always the most important ten minutes when you have your cigarette.

For the first several months, stay out of any public place, like bars, where smoking is permitted. Particularly if you are doing an activity you normally associate with heavier than normal smoking, like in a bar or coffee house. Do your drinking at home for the first 6 to 9 months after quitting.

You may find, like I did, that eventually, the activities that used to cause you to want a cigarette, like a cup of coffee or a bottle of beer, get rid of the urges to smoke.

Know that no matter how badly you want that cigarette, if you smoke it, you will want one even more badly tomorrow. Eventually the urges will be gone. I haven't had a cigarette in three years, and although I will never forget how enjoyable they were, I never want to smoke another one. You, too, will be free. Good luck!

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My experience... (4.84 / 13) (#3)
by Gailin on Mon May 12, 2003 at 07:35:41 PM EST

Like a lot of people that smoke, I started in my mid-teenage years. My parents were heavy smokers, and merely shrugged when they found out I smoked. A week after their discovery they were buying my cigarettes right along with theirs. Fast forward 8 years. I'm engaged, and working in a non-smoker friendly environment. I start to get tired of waking up my fiancé with my coughs, and having to place a warm towel on my face to help calm down my screaming lungs.

So on the morning of June 10th, 2000 I quit. I threw away my ashtrays and cigarettes, and went to the local pharmacy and purchased the patch. Needless to say I couldn't have picked a worse time to quite :) That day was the deadline for a large development project, and the following day I had to go out for dinner and drinks for a friends birthday. Definitely not the sign of proper planning :-)

I manage to make it through those two days without a cigarette, and begin to think that I may actually be successful. I begin to use those two days as a mantra of sorts, "If I made it through those situations without smoking, then I can make it through this one." Also, I had to begin retraining myself from my previous behaviors. I found that I would walk up to smoking co-workers desk, as I had done many times before in our pre-smoke ritual. Only to stare at them dumbfounded and return to my desk. This behavior continued for quite some time.

As time went by, my sense of taste improved (my love for Mountain Dew never recovered), and the smell of cigarettes on other people acted like a magnet repulsing me from them. To this day, I get twinges of desire for cigarettes, and many times I have come close to asking for one. It has become a point of pride with me, and I think the thought of letting myself down is my biggest motivator to not smoke a single cigarette. It won't be easy, and it won't be fun. And I don't know if you will ever _not_ have a desire for cigarettes, I think you just learn to mitigate that desire and move on.

Best of luck to anyone trying to quit.
G

My friend used Quest (4.33 / 3) (#12)
by simul on Mon May 12, 2003 at 08:15:48 PM EST

After she got to the Quest 3's, she smokes for a month with them. But she's down to 3 or 4 nicotine-free cigarettes a day... instead of a pack a day.

Read this book - first 24 pages are free to browse - it rocks
tobacco culture and history (4.90 / 10) (#15)
by pb on Mon May 12, 2003 at 08:44:24 PM EST

I was searching for banned cartoons the other day on KaZaA, and I came across a commercial for Winston's, as performed by The Flintstones (the one I found on KaZaA was better quality, but... big deal, eh?). This should give you an idea of what was considered acceptable at the time, before the risks of cigarettes were so publicized and demonized. Note that the same thing happened to marijuana and cocaine, just longer ago.
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My dad (4.37 / 8) (#16)
by aldjiblah on Mon May 12, 2003 at 08:50:33 PM EST

Started smoking when he was nine, and went through 30 a day at sixteen. Big time addict.

Thirty years old, he quit in a forthnight when he decided to. He went on a long mountain fishing hike with his best friend. He brought a smoking pipe and the nastiest, most foul smelling and tasting mix he could find at the time.

He walked up the mountain an addict, and walked down clean fourteen days later, without ever touching tobacco again in any form.

Pipe smoke in most forms still disturbs him deeply.

Two-step method (4.84 / 19) (#17)
by BadDoggie on Mon May 12, 2003 at 09:02:13 PM EST

Smoking is probably the most powerful physical addiction and additionally, a very strong psychological one, allowing one to take breaks every so often and chat with others doing the same thing.

The most success I've seen (and experienced) was with the use of the patch, which gives a continuous dose of nicotine. This cuts down the cravings and irritability, and eases things as you no longer deal with the highs and crashes of "normal" nicotine intake.

Using the patch allows you to break the easier psychological habit, getting used to not grabbing a cigarette. Granted, you may snack more and get antsy for a break at times, but your desire to actually smoke is greatly reduced. For me, taking a quick jog (and I hate jogging) was more than enough of a break to get me over the hump and wind me enough that I really didn't want one after that.

After a week or two, you can cut down the patch dose and break yourself of the physical addiction, either the cheap way (cutting the patches first in half, then in thirds, then quarters) or the expensive way (buying the lower dose patches).

If you want to but just can't help yourself, wait to quit until you've got a really bad cold or flu, the kind that ensures you can't smoke for a couple days. This is the easiest time of all to stop. If you've gone a couple days already before you're "healthy enough" to smoke again, you're more than halfway through the initial cold turkey period. In this case, a patch only half the strength of what you would normally use (based on average daily consumption).

If you're not quite ready to quit or are just waiting for the cold to strike, make your apartment or house non-smoking. Even you have to go outside in the rain or cold or heat to light up. Open the windows to let the place air out and wash everything. Get used to stuff not reeking of smoke.

During the first few weeks after you quit, eat lots of veggies, drink lots of water and iced tea, and stay the hell out of bars, concert halls and anywhere else where you'd be around smoke and activities which lead to smoking. Avoiding alcohol helps most people avoid smoking, since the two often go hand in hand.

Additionally, for extra incentive, keep "buying" cigarettes, putting the money you would have spent on them in a jar. Coins work better, but paper's fine if that's how you normally pay. By the time you are ready to go a day without the patch, you'll have enough money in the jar to smack yourself in the head and ask yourself, "What the fuck was I thinking?!"

You can keep on with the incentives: promise yourself a vacation in one year, to be paid for out of the cigarette money. At only $4/pack (yes, you would have smoked at least three packs over the weekend), you'll have well over $1,200. Consider that you had to pay out of your net income, not your gross. Quitting smoking is like getting a $2,500 raise.

And gives you better odds to be around longer to enjoy the cash.

woof.

"You're more screwed up than turmeric and you're not even drunk!" — A Proud

Buy candy ciggies. (3.00 / 2) (#19)
by Hide The Hamster on Mon May 12, 2003 at 09:27:04 PM EST

The chalk candy is delicious. Reminds me of really hard circus peanuts.


Free spirits are a liability.

August 8, 2004: "it certainly is" and I had engaged in a homosexual tryst.

Cigarettes? (5.00 / 1) (#21)
by tetsuwan on Mon May 12, 2003 at 09:51:14 PM EST

Now, snus (snuff) is hard to quit. 5 times the nicotine and still great with coffee.

The hardest button to button
How Charles DeGaulle quit (4.61 / 13) (#23)
by spring on Mon May 12, 2003 at 10:05:07 PM EST

He was a heavy smoker.  He successfully quit after he told everyone he was quitting.  When someone asked him why this obliged him to quit smoking forever, he replied, "Charles DeGaulle cannot go back on his word."

Do not underestimate the power of telling everyone you know that you will never again smoke a cigarette.  It's a particularly good technique to use if you are by nature proud or self-conscious or both.

Sir, (1.21 / 23) (#25)
by A Spineless Liberal Commie on Mon May 12, 2003 at 10:16:09 PM EST

I smoke cigarettes out of my asshole. Does this technique still apply to me? If not, please make a suggestion on what *will* work, as my habit as become a, well, goatse-like situation.

On the upside, my shit smells like mint.

Thanks in advance for your sympathy and advice.


Kick the habit THEN kick the addiction (4.75 / 8) (#28)
by godix on Mon May 12, 2003 at 10:48:34 PM EST

I managed to quit smoking for awhile, although I'm now at a pack a day or so. When I tried quitting prior to that I noticed that my habit defeated me long before my addiction did so I trained myself out of enjoying cigarettes. I was free to have one whenever I wanted, but I had to get up and walk away from what I was doing to have it. I'm not talking about going outside and enjoying the night air either, I have a fairly small closet that I emptied except for cigarettes and ashtray. That was where I had to stand, staring at the wall, and smoke. I learned the desire to not be bored for 5 minutes overpowers most of my cigarette desires. It generally took 6 to 7 hours before the actual addiction overcame how bored I'd be. After two weeks of doing that I was pretty much out of the habit of smoking while reading/playing on the computer/etc. After that it was a comparatively easy task to defeat my addiction. Just pick a 3 day weekend, tell your family in advance to leave you the hell alone, and go for it.

As I said, I'm smoking a pack a day now. Why? Well one day I was playing a LAN game of Starcraft with my smoking friend and, well, now I'm back in the habit of sit down, turn on monitor, light cigarette.....


"A disobedient dog is almost as bad as a disobedient girlfriend or wife."
- A Proud American

Worked for me. . . . (4.83 / 6) (#30)
by IHCOYC on Mon May 12, 2003 at 11:31:16 PM EST

I smoked through my latter years of college, through graduate school, and at the start of my working life.

One week I had the flu --- bad. I think I had pneumonia too. Severe sore throat, coughing up gunk all the time. I figured that this was about as good a time as any to quit smoking.

I still smoke maybe two or three cigars a year, but I have not touched cigarettes since that miserable week. If I suffered agonies of nicotine withdrawal, I didn't notice at the time; odds are I would have been almost as miserable without it. When you have a raw sore throat and you are coughing up green stuff streaked with blood, it's fairly easy to convince yourself that you don't want to smoke a cigarette right then.

After this week, I have had no real urge to take up smoking once again. It helped me to start to count the money I was saving, and this was before the days the taxes got truly confiscatory. (If elected, I will repeal them.)

It may have helped also that I was familiar from college with all sorts of odd chemical hangovers, and had learned almost to savour them; so nicotine withdrawal almost amused me to the extent I experienced it after I wasn't sick anymore. Since I can smoke a cigar without any difficulty, or the urge to smoke cigarettes again, I am open to the possibility that I never was truly addicted. Then again, I just don't believe in the twelve-step malarkey, either.

Too much emphasis is placed on quitting smoking as an act of heroic virtue, even as a quest for unattainable immortality has replaced eternal salvation as the goal of public virtue. If you wait until an opportune time like I did, you might find it not that difficult.
 --
The color is black, the material is leather, the seduction is beauty, the justification is honesty, the aim is ecstasy, the fantasy is death.

Yeah: (3.00 / 3) (#31)
by Gandhian Rage on Mon May 12, 2003 at 11:36:17 PM EST

Step 1: Stop smoking. Freedom!

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I am the protector of Rusty.
The Problem With Addiction... (2.33 / 3) (#32)
by thelizman on Mon May 12, 2003 at 11:36:57 PM EST

What starts out as curiousity, becomes indulgence, and then dependancy.

Luckily, I can't get addicted to anything, but I have had about three painful bouts with cigarettes where I wasn't able to use them with moderation (which is something you need for any vice or virtue).

You're absolutely right. The only way to quit is to quit cold turkey, but the best way is to replace it with something that will keep you busy. I started learning PHP, and I stopped thinking about cigarettes.

Now, if you don't mind, I'm going to light up. I still have one every couple of days, but it's refreshing to have to throw away stale cigarettes rather than tear apart the house for enough spare change to buy a pack.
--

"Our language is sufficiently clumsy enough to allow us to believe foolish things." - George Orwell
You cant gradually quit (4.33 / 3) (#34)
by cam on Mon May 12, 2003 at 11:50:23 PM EST

You can't gradually quit. When you quit, you have to quit. You have to make the decision that you will never, ever smoke another cigarette again.

Totally agree. I dont say "I quit smoking" I say "I stopped smoking". After trying to stop several times and after not smoking for a couple of weeks I caved and bought a packet. I was so disgusted and revolted with myself at being so weak and giving in that I havent had another since. If I hadnt felt the revoltion when holding a cigarette in my hand I would never have stopped. I found myself and the act of smoking so revolting that I havent done it since.

cam
Freedom, Liberty, Equity and an Australian Republic

There is an easy way to quit. (3.58 / 12) (#35)
by Meatbomb on Tue May 13, 2003 at 01:22:30 AM EST

Continue smoking until you die. Everyone quits, eventually. I am going to go with the stress-free option - and I get to enjoy cigarettes that much longer!

Don't give in to the pressure - you started smoking because it was cool and everyone was doing it, right? And that makes you feel stupid, right? So why are you listening to the masses again, now that they are telling you it isn't cool? Remember: "fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me".

_______________

Good News for Liberal Democracy!

Right on the money (4.75 / 8) (#37)
by Phelan on Tue May 13, 2003 at 01:55:25 AM EST

This guy is right on the money, in every way.  This could be my story of how I quit. I smoked 2 packs a day of marlboro reds.  Quit on the patch after "trying to quit" for several years.

Bottom line: You have to want it, you have to mean it, and you have to do it.  Completely, no half measures.

Anyway, here's my actual quitting smoking diary for academic interest:

Quitting Smoking, Day 1
feb 14 1999
   I had my last cigarette and went to bed late, 5am or so.  Woke up at 1pm, and had big "morning cigarette" cravings.  Went to the store around 2pm, and got the Nicoderm CQ 21 mg patch. I didn't see the nasal spray, so I'm figuring it's only available by perscription.  Put the patch on around 2:45pm...
It itched like a beast for like 20 minutes, but the instructions say that's normal.  Was impressed with how quickly my cravings eased...they're less now than the cravings I had when I was breaking cocaine addiction cold turkey. I keep having the "fiddle" urge to light up, but that's mostly a hand-habit issue, and not a nicotine craving issue.
I'll give my next update on Friday.

ps:  I killed three people today, but they'll never find the bodies!  Muahahah! :)

Feb 15 1999  Day 2
   Icarus decides that if I can quit, he's quitting smoking too.  Does that dumb fucker have to compete with me about everything?  He's such a me wannabe.

Feb 16 1999  Day 3
   Had my first real test today.  Was picking up clothes to do laundry, and I found a lighter and pack of smokes in one pair of shorts.  The pack had ONE cigarette left in it. I told myself, "i'm smokin this mother fucker", and took it back to the computer room. Sat down, and decided I'd smoke it later when I had a real heavy craving.  Put it in my computer desk.  5 minutes later, realized how stupid that was, and crumpled the cig up and threw it away.

Three cheers for me. :)

Feb 18, 1999 Day 5
   Shen was over at Icarus' place....I asked him for a cig, so that I could see if I could smell the nicotine in it.  The patch has a really funky smell that I don't recognize, and I wonder if it's the nicotine. I couldn't really smell anything but the tobacco, but while I was fiddling with it, Icarus decided to be an ass and test my willpower by throwin me a lighter and an ashtray.  So, I lit the cig, didn't inahle, looked at it, smiled, and put it out...which made Icarus need to smoke..guess he failed his "quitting smoking" bid. Three whole days...woohoo, he's a stud. :)

March 6, 1999
   Tried to smoke one of Kali's marlboro ultra lites.  3 puffs..disgusting, put it out. Did smoke a Bering cigar tho...good taste :)

March 15, 1999
    Simple update.  No tobacco of any kind since march 6.  Second-hand smoke tastes like a dirty ashtray in my mouth :(

March 23, 1999
    3 days left on the 21mg patch...went out and bought 2 weeks of the 14 mg patch.  I actually "wasted" 2 patches, because I sweated them off from kung fu class.  However, since you can't buy them individually, i'm starting the 14mg patch 2 days early.

August 20, 1999
    Went thru the program, quit smoking.  I've had like 3 cigars since then, I think...but no cigs.  No need to keep up with this diary.  I still sometimes get cravings (once or twice a week).  I still sometimes dream about smoking (every couple weeks or so), but the frequency is diminishing.

December 8, 1999
    Smoked a couple cigars since last update.  I don't consider that a big deal.  I like them, but it's not like i'm jonesing for a cig.  I have had one pipe-ful of tobacco as well, but I haven't gone out and bought pipe tobacco.  I'm NOT NOT NOT going to become a "rabid anti-smoker", as I generally LIKE the effect of tobacco, but do not like the monetary or health price that is incurred with regular use.  I have absolutely no desire for cigarettes since March when I tried to smoke one of Kali's.  Blecch!  I don't even think about it any more, really.  The only reason I'm updating this document is because i'm upgrading to Win98, and I saw this file in the course of my backups.

March 10, 2000
     The world didn't end in 2000.  I'm still smoke free.

September 25, 2000
     I've dreamed about smoking 2 or 3 times, but I haven't done it.  Being around smokers or even playing with their cigs hasn't made me want to actually smoke.

October 18, 2000
     Still smoke free.  No cigars, no pipes, no nothing.  At ren-fair (first weekend) I had a momentary thought about buying a pipe from the pipe guy, but it was a momentary flash.  No real craving, and easy enough to dismiss.  I realize now that I didn't even really notice the cigarette booths.  I think of the one near Sherwood as an "atm booth" now.  I occassionally see the humador place and am interested in buying a cigar, but the ones they have are overpriced and taste like crap (hell, they're in the open air!), so I don't even bother looking.  Since I haven't really ever had a "to die for" cigar, I'm not interested in going and buying one from a cigar shop, either.  I'd like to try a Cohiba or other $100 cigar sometime, just to see what all the fuss is about, but I don't see myself ever spending that kind of money on one cigar.  Hell, that'll buy 5 lap dances :)
     BTW, i can definitely smell smoke on my clothes, hair, and stuff when I get back from places where people smoke.  It's hard to believe that with my good sense of smell, I never noticed it when I was smoking.

April 16th, 2002
   Still smoke free.  Have had no urges or tobacco of any kind since the last update.

(note that this is the last entry in the diary, but I have had no cigars, pipes, or other tobacco of any kind since then..occasionally, i get a minor twinge, like a "wouldn't it be nice if.." but it's no worse than a "i'm bored and want a snack" craving.)

it's all in the mind (4.66 / 3) (#38)
by hardcorejon on Tue May 13, 2003 at 02:22:05 AM EST

To echo what some have alluded to already, the only important thing is that you want to quit. If you want to quit, you will eventually, just keep on trying.

I had to "quit" many, many times before I finally quit for real.

How do I know this time is for real? It's hard to explain. The best way I can describe it is to say that I have decided what person I want to be for the rest of my life, and that person does not smoke. For others, there will likely be some different explanation, but they would probably agree that it does ultimately come down to a "mind-over-matter" mental decision.

To give a humorous counter-example, a 40-something friend of mine has smoked for virtually all his life. I once asked him, "Hey Bill, when are you gonna stop smoking?" "Well," he replied, "I suppose when my ashes are extinguised...."

- jonathan.

I made bets: up to $10K (4.50 / 6) (#41)
by opendna on Tue May 13, 2003 at 03:10:03 AM EST

The first time I bet a buddy's girlfriend that I could go two weeks without smoking (I even suspended a cigarette in the middle of my room to increase the temptation). I won and she was my slave for two weeks. I was going to make her light my cigarettes, but she looked like she was going to cry so I had her fetch beers instead.

The second time I bet a classmate $200 that I could go longer without a smoke. He went out drinking, lit up and handed over $200 when I showed up. I waited a couple days and then used the money to buy smokes and beer.

Most recently I bet a long-time friend $10,000 that he would smoke another before I did. Deadline: 1 year. Outcome: TBA. We've both realized that $10K is probably more than our net worth so paying up will require the amputation of a testicle or something. The jars of alcohol on the bookshelf are a daily reminder.
In the beginning I found that the craving was an impulse that went away if I stalled long enough. "I want it now", but I'll go have it "in five min." By the time 5 min have passed, I've forgotten I wanted a smoke and am busy doing something else.

Hm... I seem to have a issue with losing bets...



what about me (3.00 / 1) (#43)
by relief on Tue May 13, 2003 at 03:11:23 AM EST

i've been smoking about one cig a day for several years now. sometimes i dont smoke for weeks, sometimes i smoke three a day or more.

i smoke usually when i feel tired from work, or at socials when drinking, although recently i quit drinking.

i honestly don't know what the deal is. i think i'll be smoking like this until the end. no apparent effects on my body except maybe cancer but everyone gets those these days.

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If you're afraid of eating chicken wings with my dick cheese as a condiment, you're a wuss.

Quitting is only the first stage of battle (2.40 / 5) (#44)
by medham on Tue May 13, 2003 at 03:19:21 AM EST

What are you going to do about "heihghtened?" Pray to St. Genevieve?

I'll be more impressed when you give up the reefer.

The real 'medham' has userid 6831.

Write in vote (3.00 / 5) (#46)
by Herring on Tue May 13, 2003 at 03:20:41 AM EST

All of the above.

Giving up smoking is easy - I've done it loads of times.

I started reading that Allen Carr book. I stopped half way through - it was stopping me enjoying my cigaretttes. Hmm.


Say lol what again motherfucker, say lol what again, I dare you, no I double dare you
Wellbutrin AKA Zyban (3.00 / 2) (#47)
by enderwiggin99 on Tue May 13, 2003 at 03:24:24 AM EST

Started smoking at 17 about a month before graduation. Finals, you see. Well, it is now 3 years later. Haven't smoked for about 2 months, no cravings. I think the most I regularly smoked was about 5-6 cigs per day, I would go through a pack and perhaps an extra half-pack when shitfacing myself (don't drink alcohol anymore, either. strange. :) ). Was never really a problem, but I disliked the control it had over me, and the fact that here in Alberta, Canada, 25 packs of smokes are around $10. I work at Wal-mart. 'Nuff said. So, went to the doctor and got a prescription for slow-release Zyban. After the first week of smoking 2 per day, I was done. No cravings for the last 2 weeks. It put me in a frame of mind where I had super-duper cravings that didn't bother me for the first week and a half, cravings that weren't satisfied with smoking a cigarette. So, here I am 2 months later, and incredibly thrilled. :) I'd suggest it to ANYONE. It wasn't too expensive up here and was covered by a drug plan, not sure how much it would cost in the land of the 'free'. Good luck, and stick with it. It's been great.

__Ender__
Reverse-engineering the Universe from life until Zen.
Must want to quit (3.25 / 4) (#48)
by Quila on Tue May 13, 2003 at 04:00:56 AM EST

I'm in my 30s and started smoking a few years back. I was sick a few months ago and gave up cigarettes for a couple of weeks because the illness made them taste horrible. When I was better, I found that I had no more addiction or habit to the cigarettes, but I started smoking again. Why? I didn't want to stop, I don't need to, I don't care about it. A habit is a habit, and nasty or not is subjective. If you're comfortable with your smoking and enjoy it, please keep doing it; we need more happy people around. If you're not, then just fucking stop. I turn your attention to the mother of my wife's friend, who while dying of colon cancer at 50-something told her daughter "Do whatever you want, smoke, whatever, because you may just die early like me anyway even though you've taken care of yourself."

My smokeing habbit (2.00 / 6) (#49)
by CaveDwler on Tue May 13, 2003 at 04:17:32 AM EST

I have smoked (as a habit) for almost 7 years. I know alot of people go and tell you how they started smoking and say stuff like "everyone was doing it" or "it wasn't a big thing when I started". Well, I smoked off and on from age 16 to 20 and NEVER had the "I NEED a cig" feeling. (I just lit up a cig while typing this, more on that later). I started smoking as a habit when I moved into my first apartment. I had a room mate that I had been friends with for a few years and decided since he need a room mate I would make the big move and leave my moms house. Mostly I wanted to move because I was going through one of the worst depressions of my life and needed some space to try to work things out. When I moved in, things changed dramatically. I am not sure to this day if it was just me getting used to my new "freedom" or what, but he seemed to want to do everything with me. If i wanted to go to the mall, he had to go, If I went to the coffee house (as I usually did on my days off) he wanted to go. I found out really quick that he didn't care to go to the coffee house because all the smoke got to him. After about 4 months of him complaining that I was spending all my time at the coffee house (he was acting like we were in a relationship or something) I decided I would test a theory. On weekends to relax I would smoke a pipe (tobacco) he would complain and make me open a window, so I started smoking it more often. It worked! He always left the room when I reached for my pipe. So, when he started to get "needy" I would just grab my pipe. This worked for about two weeks. Then, I ran out of pipe tobacco. But during the time I was there I noticed that whenever I would buy food, he would eat whatever he wanted and scream at me for touching anything he bought, so as a result, I would avoid going to the grocery store...which was the only place that sold pipe tobacco. I decided to try cigarettes. They were sold anywhere and did the trick. By the time I actually go sick of him constantly arguing about not doing anything (I was working three jobs and didn't even have time to check email let alone drive 4 hours just to go to a gaming store) and moved out, I was hooked. I only partially blame him, as he was just one of the driving forces. I knew I had a choice; I just took the easier one. Once since then, I tried to quit. It lasted one week. I was on my motorcycle going to the coffee house (I was volunteering there) and wrecked about 60 feet from the turn. When I hobbled in, I only said "I want a cigarette NOW or someone else is going to be in as much pain as I am!" Two other times I have broken the addiction but have not stopped. Once I had bronchitis, food poisoning, and the flu all at the same time and couldn't smoke for a week. But started up again out of physical habit, not chemical habit. The last time I pneumonia. Once again, I broke the chemical addiction, but smoked out of physical and behavioral habit. This time, I have incentive to quit. I am currently living in northern Germany and am going to have to drive to southern Spain on the 23rd of this month. That's about 30+ hours in the car. I have done this three times since moving here, but this time I am taking the "cool" car. A 2002 Audi TT quatro Lemans Edition #47 out of only 100 made for Spain. This is a car that is just as much an investment as it is a "get through your mid life crisis in style" symbol. I have decided since getting this car that no one will EVER smoke in it. Myself included. Granted I CAN smoke when I fill up the tank or something, but this is where the will power comes it. If anyone is interested, I will post again when I get back (somewhere around the 3rd of June) and let everyone know how it went. But until I leave for Spain, I am just going to try to mentally prepare myself.
CaveDwler Sex is a very natural and wholesome thing, but only if it isn't done right. Welcome to Paradox
Inhalers (4.00 / 2) (#50)
by katie on Tue May 13, 2003 at 05:14:08 AM EST


My other half had to quit because the traces of smoke on him set off my allergies (at one point he'd go outside to smoke and then have to change and shower when he came in before I could go near him).

He used the inhalery things. Well, to be fair, the first time through this he ended up using the inhalery thing AND smoking, but the second time it weaned him off the addiction. Because I can't go anywhere smokey and our friends don't smoke near me, he then doesn't have a lot of the social triggers.

Changing social habits is important - friend of ours quits about twice a year, goes down the pub and unquits because the pub is where he's ALWAYS smoked...


Quitting by... smoking (3.83 / 6) (#51)
by CaptainZapp on Tue May 13, 2003 at 05:23:16 AM EST

Ok, I can already hear the self declared righteous bunch and the "aw god! we know what's good for you" folks, plus of course a ton of reformed ex-smokers, but here's what worked for me: Taking up smoking cigars!

Some background: I started those nasty fuckers (cigarettes) with 14 and smoked for 20 years. In the beginning this is all fine and well; then after 10-15 years you get the first fits of the nasties and from there it's going rapidly downhill; up to the point when you know that you will get severely ill, when you don't stop - now!

The quitting as such wasn't soo hard (it's no fun either, what is extremely hard though is to defeat that little voice that talks to you after 3 weeks, a couple month and after a year (and likely later too, but I wouldn't know). Oh, it also talks in between, but those where the way marks where it talked loudest. This voice claims, that you proved thate quitting is easy and you can do it anytime again. Well, this voice is a fucking liar!

So, I made 5-8 serious attemps that lastet for up to a year and then my last attempt came. That was at the end of 2000:
I gave up once again and made the usual mistake: I took a vacation to the virgin islands, which are really, really nice for sailing. My expericence tought me that it's always very, very difficult not to start again when it's really, really nice. Ah well, I started again but with a twist: I took up smoking cigars.

First I only bought a couple and then I got the hang of it and bought a box of Dunhill aged cigars and puffed them away; maybe 2-3 per day.

Now the advantages of premium cigars are multiple compared to cigarettes:

  • It brings back the joy of smoking
  • You never, ever smoke premium sticks when you just have a couple minutes
  • A cigar is a hand made product of beauty. While you look at it, smell it, touch it, cut it and light it you can envision the whole art and craftmanship that went into the stick (a premium smoke requires 18 month to 3 years from the growing plant to leaving the stock rooms at the factory)
  • You don't inhale. Consequently you have far, far less problems with the lungs (no month long ghastly coughing fits after every small cold)
  • Cigars are pure tobacco of highest quality. Cigarettes are processed crap. They are about as comparable as the food at L'Auberge de L'Ille with the one at MacDonalds
  • And here's the kicker: There is a totally different level of addiction. Since you really need time (45 minutes minimum up to a couple hours, depending on the size) you just don't light up unless you have the time and space. Consequently I smoke zero to an absolute maximum of 4 cigars per day. If you throw that in with not inhaling then yo may see why it's so much better for you.

    Disadvantages? Of course: They are certainly not healthy (alas: far, FAR less risky then cigarettes) and it's an expensive hobby.

    This "method" to quit might not be for you, for me it worked and still works wonders and in addition provides me with a hell of a lot of pleasure (something cigies very, very rarely do, when you smoke for a certain amount of time).

  • The Patch (4.33 / 3) (#53)
    by 0xA on Tue May 13, 2003 at 05:54:09 AM EST

    I gave quiting with the patch a shot a little while ago when the price of a pack hit $10 (governemnt bastards). I needed to use something that would take the edge off for me. When I have tried to quit absolutely cold turkey i go through really ugly withdrawl. I went a week without once, but I couldn't concentrate on anything and kept giggling all the time. Things were going pretty well on the patch, I was 10 days in.

    Interesting thing about me, I had _never_ experienced a nightmare before, at least nothing unpleasant that I ever remembered. The nicotine patches seem to cause this in some people though. So one night I wake up screaming at the top of my lungs, I am scared to death about something. I bolt out of my sweaty bed and run as fast as I can. At least I think I had time to hit full speed, my bed is only six feet from the wall....

    When I woke up again, I made the informed choice and went to the store for smokes. I had a damn headache for a week.

    I think maybe I'll try this again sometime, maybe give that Zyban stuff a shot. I've heard some unpleasant things about that too though, I'll probably be the one in one hundred billion that experiences severe rectal bleeding or something.

    Reenactment (3.18 / 22) (#55)
    by K5 ASCII reenactment players on Tue May 13, 2003 at 06:20:10 AM EST

    It are only taking me thirty years to quit, 
    so listen to what I have to teh say!
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    Quitting is NOT difficult. (3.75 / 4) (#56)
    by Jetifi on Tue May 13, 2003 at 06:25:25 AM EST

    I say this and people look at me like I'm crazy. Anyway, I quit two months ago. Previous attempts at quitting sucked (I tried willpower). This time I read this book.

    I'm not spamming, I have no financial interest in it whatsoever, but just check out the 172 feedbacks on the book. I think less than 5 said "it didn't work". Of the rest, most are cringe-inducing in their evangelism.

    I read that book, and I stopped, and it was easy. I've stopped for two months now, and there is no way in Hell I'd even consider starting again. Even the smoke smells disgusting to me now. I may have been brainwashed, but I don't really care.



    My EZ Method (4.00 / 2) (#57)
    by The Turd Report on Tue May 13, 2003 at 06:27:06 AM EST

    I smoked a pack a day for about 7 years. I quit by gettig a massive upper respritory infection. I couldn't smoke for 2 weeks. (Believe me, I tried) After that, I figured it was my chance to quit for good. For a few weeks, I'd bum a cig now and then, but I never bought another pack. After a month or so, it was done. I would occasionaly get cravings or a need for a cig, but that was mostly out of habit: after meals, at the bar while having a beer, after sex, while zoning to TV, etc... I haven't had one for 5+ years.

    Child molester! (1.62 / 24) (#58)
    by Stick on Tue May 13, 2003 at 06:28:01 AM EST

    When I was in a car load of kids, I'd bum one in order to breathe.

    That's the worst excuse I've heard for molesting children. Did you breathe their farts with your penis??


    ---
    Stick, thine posts bring light to mine eyes, tingles to my loins. Yea, each moment I sit, my monitor before me, waiting, yearning, needing your prose to make the moment complete. - Joh3n

    Quitting is easy (4.80 / 5) (#59)
    by borderline on Tue May 13, 2003 at 06:48:31 AM EST

    Quitting is easy. It's not starting again that's hard. And that's not just an attempt at a witty remark. There really is a difference.

    I gave up smoking nearly half a dozen times. Sure the withdrawal was a bitch, for at least a full day. Then it was just a nuisance. As all nonsmokers know, and the author of the article rediscovered, cigarettes actually taste awful. My shortest period of abstinence was probably no more than a week, and I had to force myself through the first cigarette when I started again.

    So I kept quitting and starting again, because I was still ambivalent about smoking. Quitting wasn't the problem. My desire to smoke was. So was that a mental addiction? I don't know. It doesn't really matter.

    I finally gave up smoking in favour of snuff (the wet kind common in Scandinavia). This allowed me to stick to nicotine, while still feeling good about not risking lung cancer, not bothering other people with unhealthy smoke and so on. The transition wasn't hard at all. I didn't even consider it as an obstacle in any way.

    I stuck to snuff for about a year. Since snuff doesn't bother other people you can use it anywhere, as much as you like. So I probably doubled my actual nicotine intake during this year. So when I decided to give up nicotine for good, the withdrawal was at least twice as painful. It lasted perhaps three long days.

    But it was different, since my decision was different. I knew this was going to be it. I do not want to smoke a cigarette or use snuff ever again. I'm confident I will not.

    An interesting detail is that I still get the occasional dose of nicotine. I enjoy smoking cannabis every once in a while. In these parts cannabis is mostly available as hash, which usually is mixed with tobacco when smoked. But that isn't a problem, as I know I have given up nicotine for good. These doses of nicotine are so far apart that I just feel a slight nausea from it. And even if I were to smoke up more often I don't think it would be a problem. I'm through with nicotine.

    My biggest fear (3.50 / 10) (#61)
    by lukkk on Tue May 13, 2003 at 07:05:22 AM EST

    Let me quote Bill Hicks on this one:

    "I now realize I smoke for simply one reason, and that is spite. I hate you non-smokers with all of my little black fucking heart, you obnoxious, self-righteous, whining little fucks. My biggest fear, if I quit smoking, is that I'll become one of you"

    What about hypnosis? (3.00 / 1) (#63)
    by funwithstuff on Tue May 13, 2003 at 07:17:05 AM EST

    I'm not a smoker, and have never smoked a cigarette. My parents smoked as I grew up, and I've always hated it. So obviously, I'm not the best person to offer advice on this, but some people have had success with hypnotherapy.

    This UK site, Hypnotherapy Associates, has a page on Smoking and Addiction which might be helpful. They're London-based, so if you're elsewhere, ask for a referral from your doctor, and good luck.

    DISCLAIMER: I know some people who work at this hypnotherapy centre.

    Heightened sense of smell? (4.50 / 4) (#67)
    by gordonjcp on Tue May 13, 2003 at 07:54:29 AM EST

    Surely this *is* a good thing, this new-found ability to smell bad smells again? I'm not a sanctimonious ex-smoker, or indeed one of those whingeing non-smokers. If people want to smoke, that's fine - just not in my house or my car. But, damn, do smokers smell bad....

    Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he'll bore you rigid with fishing stories for the rest of your life.


    Alternate viewpoint (4.66 / 3) (#76)
    by nusuth on Tue May 13, 2003 at 08:21:03 AM EST

    When you quit, you should never ever smoke a cigarette except when do.

    Really, I realized what took me back to smoking was not the one cigarette I smoked, but the feeling of disgust about myself, feeling of having lost the battle, letting the addiction win.

    If you have quit but just smoked a cigarette, or even a quarter pack (hard to smoke more than that if you were nicotine free for more than a month or so), don't make a fuss over it. Go on with quitting. You don't have to return just because you enjoyed a cigarette. Just be extra careful not to smoke for the next few weeks.

    For the record, I smoked for 12 years (13-25).

    Not so alternate viewpoint: Stay away from coffee and alcohol as much as you can. It really helps.

    Jeez... (1.66 / 3) (#78)
    by ok on Tue May 13, 2003 at 08:21:34 AM EST

    I think this was planted by Altria or sumthin, reading that first bit about smoking smoking smoking is making me all jonesy.

    For me it's mostly in the mind... (4.00 / 1) (#86)
    by salimma on Tue May 13, 2003 at 08:42:07 AM EST

    ... I don't get physical cravings, in fact I only think about it when I see someone smoking or read about it (like this article, arrgh). It's easier to notice this when most people don't smoke I suppose.

    The interesting thing is, my tolerance for nicotine actually went down over the past few months. I have smoked two packs non stop once, but now after one or two cigarettes I start feeling nauseous. Ditto with water pipes and ... worst of all, standard pipes.

    Guess I'm one of the luckier ones then.

    - Michel
    Orthodoxy means not thinking--not needing to think. Orthodoxy is unconsciousness.

    Eric Blair

    You have to learn for yourself (4.66 / 3) (#87)
    by dachshund on Tue May 13, 2003 at 08:46:42 AM EST

    You cannot quit a step at a time. You can't "cut down". You can't gradually quit. When you quit, you have to quit. You have to make the decision that you will never, ever smoke another cigarette again.

    This is absolutely correct. However, if you're trying to quit, you probably can't afford to take anyone else's word for it. Try cutting down, try taking it "a step at a time". This probably won't get you off cigarettes, but it will dispel any personal misconceptions you may have that your habit something you have control over, rather than a completely involuntary compulsion imposed on you.

    Until you've actually tried all of these methods and reached the conclusion that smoking is not something you want or enjoy, but something you have to do no matter how much you try not to, you're probably not going to possess the sheer desperate frustration that it takes to stay off cigarettes. Too many people feel that smoking is just an annoying habit like biting their nails or drinking coffee, so they don't develop the requisite antipathy to smoking that convinces them to stop and stay off. So they either fail to quit, or they just start up again (quitting and restarting is little better than never having quit in the first place.)

    Incidentally, I suspect that this antipathy is a major reason that so many former smokers become ardent anti-smoke crusaders. Very few people can go through that process without cultivating some particularly strong negative feelings about smoking. And quite rightly, in my opinion. Any habit that puts you through that kind of hell is worthy of a lot of hatred.

    Similarity to losing weight (4.42 / 7) (#91)
    by NoNeeeed on Tue May 13, 2003 at 08:51:16 AM EST

    If you went through the article and replaced "cigarette" with "food" and "smoking" with "eating" that could have been me trying to loose weight.

    The one part that especially rang bells was about only being able to give up when you had really decided that you *genuinly* wanted to stop.

    I have had problems with my weight all my life, mostly as a result of the way my parents eat.  That got me into the habit of over eating.  Ever since I went to university I have been losing weight slowly, very gradually.  I knew that I wanted to be thinner and fitter but didn't *really* want it enough.

    When I broke up with my long term girlfriend six months ago I made a decision that I didn't want to be this big anymore, not because I felt I ought to but because I really wanted to.  Since then I have lost much more weight and am much fitter than I have ever been and I feel great about myself, not because I think that other people see me differently, but because I see myself differently.  I eat considerably less and exercise much more.

    Another thing that struck me was how much addiction is as much about habit as about the actual biochemical effects of the substance.  While there are definite effects on the brain from food, the habits are as big a problem as the taste or sensations from the food.  Overeating is as much about simply having something to do with your hands and mouth as with the food itself.

    Obviously you cannot go cold-turkey with food (excuse the pun) as with smoking, I can't give up eating forever.  I did however do something similar, which is to fast for a day every couple of weeks.  Basically for an entire day (normally a sunday) I took in only water and fruit juices.  The critical effect of this is to break you out of the habits and rituals surrounding food for a day.  It gave me enough of a kick-start that I can go for days without eating between meals.  The effect is very liberating as you demonstrate to yourself that you can live the day without being dominated by food.  It also has other benificial side effects to do with your bowels, but I won't go into the details on that :->

    Well done for giving up, and thanks for writing the article; it has given me an added incentive to never start smoking.

    Paul

    Chewing Tobacco (4.66 / 3) (#92)
    by n8f8 on Tue May 13, 2003 at 09:01:40 AM EST

    I quit a 22 year chewing tobacco habit four months ago. The hardest problem I had quitting were the wild mood swings that weren't cutting it at work. So I saved up and took a two week vacation to a part of the world where even finding cigarettes is nearly impossible. Broke my leg and collarbone in the process, but it seems to have worked.

    I don't have any particularly brilliant tips for anyone. Skin patches made me crave nicotiene even more. I couln't take the anti-smoking pills because of a childhood head injury. I just kept trying until I got so desperate as to try somthing really extreme. I was 12 when I started on a hiking trip.

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    Another method... (4.66 / 3) (#95)
    by djeaux on Tue May 13, 2003 at 09:19:01 AM EST

    ...adapted from the late, great Lewis Grizzard, :American by birth & Southerner by the grace of God"...

    Buy a six-pack of beer & your last pack of smokes. Drink half the first beer, then use it as an ashtray as you smoke the cigarettes & consume the other five beers.

    The next morning, before you do anything else, gulp down that half can of lukewarm, flat beer with 20 cigarette butts in it.

    You will not want another cigarette.

    Remember, cigarettes killed John Wayne when all those Japanese soldiers couldn't ;-)

    djeaux

    djeaux
    "Obviously, I'm not an IBM computer any more than I'm an ashtray." (Bob Dylan)

    My own experience (5.00 / 9) (#96)
    by pattern on Tue May 13, 2003 at 09:50:03 AM EST

    Like most people who have smoked, I had very similar experiences, except I quit cold turkey with no patch. There are two elements that I believe contributed to my success.

    First, I found the website Why Quit. A couple of years ago, it was a bit less professional-looking, but it contained a table of reasons to keep smoking and their rebuttal. The one that really got me was that stress and/or adrenaline raises the acidity of your urine, which processes the nicotine that much faster. Whether or not it was true, it did topple my last excuse.

    Secondly, I realized that I was going to suffer, and that it would be temporary, but there also wasn't any way around it. So I accepted the suffering. When it hurt, I just let it hurt without intention to make it stop.

    I think the reason people can't quit by tapering down is because they think it'll hurt less at the end. Of course, it doesn't at all and they're unprepared.

    I also wrote a perl script which I executed every day. Here's the output, set up with my quit date and 1 pack a day:

    Time passed: 100 weeks 2 days 11 hours 44 minutes
    Cigarettes not smoked: 19669
    Money saved: $3196.21
    Life gained: 11 weeks 4 days 22 hours 54 minutes

    I found that measuring my steady progress helped a bit.



    Great story. (4.50 / 4) (#100)
    by lb008d on Tue May 13, 2003 at 10:08:02 AM EST

    I think reading stories like these may be more effective at keeping people from smoking than those inane ads they put on TV.

    I know how hard it is to go a day without some coffee, and can only imagine how much harder it must be if you are trying to quit smoking.

    great article (4.66 / 6) (#102)
    by transient0 on Tue May 13, 2003 at 10:39:42 AM EST

    It was really well written and gave the sort of serious honest acocunt that can actually be useful. Too often we are greeted by such obvious propaganda from the anti-smoking (or anti-drinking or anti-drugs or anti-premarital-sex) lobby groups that we become cynical and assume that there is absolutely nothing behind what they are saying. Also, too often I hear people saying things to other people like: "If you don't want to smoke, just don't smoke. It's just a matter of willpower: don't have a cigarette."

    This story really helps you to understand that even though it does come down to willpower in the end, an addiction can be an incredibly slippery thing. It can lead to delusions or brief amnesia episodes where you find yourself smoking with out even realizing that you lit up.

    The only thing that bothered me about the article was the pseudo-neurochemistry. It is at best a half-truth or theory that caffeine and nicotine re-inforce each other's use in a chemical sense and it is definitely not true that alcohol makes you crave nicotine as a countermeasure to the depressive effects. There may be some neurochemical explanations for the smoking-with-coffee and smoking-with-booze phenomena, but it is all very poorly understood right now. The closest thing to a scientific explanation that you could reasonably give right now is that coffee is your free-time during the work day and alcohol is recreation. As such, these are two times when you smoke more than normal and you develop an association or fixation between the two activities.

    anyway, great article.
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    This won't help anyone quit, but... (3.66 / 3) (#103)
    by wurp on Tue May 13, 2003 at 10:41:40 AM EST

    I smoked one to two packs a day for three or four years.  I tried to quit multiple times; it never lasted more than a day or three.

    When I quit, it was a side effect of a relatively major life change.  I moved out after living with a woman for about six months, and, quite frankly, I just forgot to smoke.  I guess I was too involved in thinking about (obsessing over) other things to worry about keeping myself in cigs.

    The odd thing is that my experience as a non-smoker is completely different than any of the ones I read about here.  I have no urge to smoke.  Ever.  Even so, for the first five years after I quit, I would smoke one or two cigarettes a year, usually to be companionable with someone.  I never wanted another one; never felt the urge to become a smoker again.

    The only thing that bothers me about being around a smoker now is the nasty smell.  There is no temptation.
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    Hardest Thing I Ever Did (4.50 / 2) (#104)
    by Idioteque on Tue May 13, 2003 at 10:44:23 AM EST

    I quit almost six months ago. Probably one of the hardest things I ever did. This was my fourth attempt. Tried the patch, gave me really wild-vivid dreams and seemed to make me more moody, stopped using it after a week. One recommendation I can make is going to Quitnet. The people there can be a bit corny and they are definetly not as thick skinned as the k5 crowd, but if you truely want to quit there's a lot of good advice, experience, and support there.


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    Zyban (5.00 / 6) (#114)
    by mont4g on Tue May 13, 2003 at 11:31:36 AM EST

    I used to dip Kodiak.  This has to be the most addictive tobacco concoction on the planet.  Started in high school during my party years, and stopped 7 years into marriage -- 20 years of nicotine.  I've been nicotine free for 3 years now.

    I'm an expert at quitting.  I've tried to tie it to an event:  marriage, before I'm 30, before the first kid, before the millenium, after a smoker I knew died of cancer, etc.  No dice.  In the end, it's just another day.

    It typically took some wierd health problem to raise the fear level and cause me to quit, like "Damn, why have I had heartburn for three weeks in a row?  Maybe it's CANCER!"   Then I'd try quitting, and more often than not would succeed.  

    Did it twice by scaling down the amount of nicotine slowly, but that's the hard road.  Patches don't work when you dip -- whether you put the nicotine between your cheek and gum or on your arm doesn't matter.  The easier way to quit was cold turkey.  The even easier way was cold turkey when I was so sick from a flu that I couldn't tell if it was fever or nicotine withdrawal making my head spin.  But cold turkey has its problems too -- you absolutely have to know your triggers and steel yourself through them each time to avoid starting again.  

    Stress was my trigger.  Every time the heat would get turned up on me -- all night pager episode, career issue, money issue, whatever -- it would send me to the store for another can.  There's a reason that the short name for Copenhagen is "cope."  I also found that caffeine amplified the stress and made it worse.  Alcohol worked as an uninhibitor, as it usually does -- it made it easier to give in to the urge.  In the end, I decided I'd better get professional help.  I went to the doctor and got Zyban.  

    Zyban is an antismoking drug.  Wellbutrin is an antidepressant.  They are actually the same thing -- just sold under different names, depending on the need.  Researchers discovered that Wellbutrin eased nicotine cravings when their test subjects spontaneously stopped smoking.  

    It's action as an antidepressant is a novel one -- it doesn't work like your garden-variety SSRI.  Zyban weakly affects both serotonin and norepinepherine, and moderately affects dopamine.  This gives you that easy serotonin-reuptake-inhibiting-"take the edge off" feeling with the stimulant effect of a norepinepherine inhibitor, and blocks the effect that nicotine has on dopamine levels.  It is truly amazing how nicotine just doesn't affect you on Zyban -- you find that you just don't have the urge for it.  

    However, two weeks into treatment with Zyban, I had a side effect.  

    See, Wellbutrin never took off like Prozac did because the media jumped on something that came out in research:  there's a risk of seizures on Wellbutrin.  What the media never found is that the risk of seizures on Wellbutrin is about the same as on any SSRI -- in the 1-2% range.  However, this was enough for Wellbutrin to get its marketing tainted and the other SSRIs to eat its lunch.  

    Still, I was wary.  That's all I needed was to have a seizure.  And then I had my side effect.

    Rash.  Little red dots appeared across my chest.  It wouldn't stop itching.  Checked the side-effects literature in the box:  yep, rash, not seizure, was the highest reported side effect.  Damn.  I instinctively stopped taking the Zyban, and the rash abated within hours.  But the nicotine craving came clawing its way from the depths of hell and wrapped its tentacles around every dopamine receptor in my body and squeezed.  

    I called my doc.  I must have sounded a mess.  He confirmed staying off of Zyban and phoned in a prescription for Xanax -- a benzodiaphene, kind of like a 4th generation Valium.  I waited at the pharmacy for it to be filled, and gulped a whole one down in the parking lot.

    The nicotine demons were still there, but for some reason, everything was...just...fine.  A week later, I was still off nicotine.  When I hit a stress area, I'd eat a quarter Xanax.  I decided I'd better do something about the stress.  I took up meditation.  Not good enough.  I researched my symptoms.  

    Aah, generalized anxiety disorder.  I hit almost all of the symptoms.  I had been self-medicating with nicotine for years out of my own pocket, and instead I could get this covered under my health plan!  I went back to the doctor.  He confirmed it, and put me on Buspar, a most excellent anti-anxiety drug with side effects about the same as a glass of water.

    A long road, but I am now nicotine free.  Oh, I still want it, definitely, but not nearly as bad as my pre-Buspar days.  But I still know that if I start again, I'm doomed.  So I went out and got a no-nicotine life insurance policy (passing the blood test for nicotine, of course, since I'm clean).  I've used this successfully as something to keep me from starting again, and as a reward for the efforts -- rates would be double if I was still dipping, and I very much want to provide for my wife and kids should I ever get run over by a bus.  Plus, if the insurance company ever found nicotine in my corpse, they'd probably stiff my wife and kids for the policy.  Carrot and stick.

    In the end, it's whatever it takes to get you off the shit and keep you there.  Just find a way and keep trying until you do it.  It took me 8 times over 10 years to do it.  You can too.

    None of this really works for sure (3.00 / 11) (#115)
    by ubu on Tue May 13, 2003 at 11:34:40 AM EST

    The only way to quit — guaranteed — is with drastic, dedicated action.

    When you have decided to quit, go ahead and do the normal rituals, like cleaning the smoke smell out of your car and home and clothing. Go ahead and throw away all your cigarettes and stop drinking or whatever. It doesn't matter if you do, because with this method you're going to quit one way or t'other.

    On the first day, stop smoking. The cravings will begin, and you will eventually decide it's not worth it, so you'll light up another cigarette. Here is where the program really begins.

    In between every puff of that cigarette, using a clean, sharp scalpel, make a half-inch incision across the head of your penis. For you ladies, this can be done with the labia. The incision need not be deep or large, but it should bleed at least a little bit. After every puff, a new incision in your genitals. You can do this in the bathroom at the office during a 15-minute break. At the end of a cigarette, you should have between 10 and 20 of these incisions.

    Let the blood flow freely. It will stop after a few minutes, but you will be incapable of masturbation or any kind of sexual intercourse for at least a few days, and you'll know it.

    You're not done yet. You're still going to smoke cigarettes, but by this time you're not going to cut yourself anymore because the pain in your genitals is furious; it feels like someone has wrapped your crotch in a blanket of fire. With the next cigarette, you're free to smoke the entire thing without interruption! Go ahead! Just be aware, you have to stub it out in the bloody mess of your genitals. Aim for the worst spots; open flame is an excellent cauterizing agent, and as long as you're pressing a lit cherry to your flesh it might as well staunch some bleeding.

    Maybe this is all you smoke for the day, maybe not. It doesn't matter, because the regimen continues. With the third cigarette, you're going blow every lungful of smoke onto your naked crotch. The effects won't be immediately obvious; you'll probably finish the cigarette with a disappointed feeling, thinking the plan has hit a snag. But within ten minutes you'll begin to feel a throbbing, then a searing pain in your penis as nicotine enters your bloodstream through the tender flesh and small, bloody incisions. The pain will last about as long as a nicotine high: around 20-30 minutes. Your skin will discolor slightly, and may swell temporarily in some of the worst-affected areas.

    You will repeat the above three steps, in order, with every 3 cigarettes you smoke after the quit day, and within a week you will be smoke-free forever.

    Ubu


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    Dazed and Confused Technique (3.66 / 3) (#118)
    by gjbloom on Tue May 13, 2003 at 11:51:23 AM EST

    My cousin successfully quit, (and says she's seen this method work for other addictions), by locking herself in a cabin for two weeks with nothing but food, TV and a bunch of primo cannabis. Every time she felt the urge to smoke, she'd roll a joint and smoke that instead. By smoking something, she was able to continue the "habit" while weaning her body off nicotine. Since cannabis is no where near as addictive as nicotine, giving up the dope after two weeks (or settling back to a "normal" recreational level of use) was trivial.

    What worked for me... (5.00 / 2) (#126)
    by Ricdude on Tue May 13, 2003 at 12:37:16 PM EST

    A couple of things I noted in quitting smoking:

    1) Have a solid reason for quitting.  You're not just doing this for entertainment.  You need to have a "happy thought" ready each time you think you want to light up.  You need happy thoughts for ammunition in your personal war against nicotine.

    My grandmother died due to complications from emphysema.  My mother-in-law was diagnosed with bladder cancer, and undergoing chemotherapy and surgery.  You might say that was a bit of a wake up call.  If I didn't quit, that was the path that lay ahead of me.  Every time I felt the desire to light up, I thought of my grandmother, and my mother-in-law, and it brought me back to reality.  Maybe you want to exercise, or save money for a particular goal.  Pick a solid reason, and maybe a few back up ones.

    2) If your significant other is a smoker, the two of you have to be in synch as far as quitting goes.  If only one of you is quitting, you'll both still be smokers.

    You may have friends that are smokers, and may not be quitting with you.  If you go out to dinner with them, ask for the non-smoking section.  They can hang out in the bar for a few minutes if they need to smoke.  Your temptation will be much lessened.  After my mother-in-law went into surgery, everyone around her quit.  Me, my father-in-law, my wife, two of her best friends.  We all could rely on each other for support in our efforts.  Only one of us has started smoking since then, and even now is only smoking one pack a day, instead of the three or four a day back then.  Every bit helps, and as always, remember why you're quitting.

    3) Change your routines.  The hardest thing for me to change was the desire to light up a cigarette after getting in the car.  

    I had a motivational tape from some smoking cessation program (the pills that also act as an anti-depressant, can't remember the name...).  Every time I thought I wanted a cigarette, I popped in the tape.  The local news station, or NPR would have probably worked just as well.  Actively engaging in listening to something, as opposed to just cranking the local modern rock station, forced me to focus on my environment, and take my mind off of years of unconcious habits.

    4) Quitting smoking is easy.  Stop lighting them up, sticking them in your mouth, and inhaling.

    That's all there is to it.  Millions of other people have been able to do it.  So can you.  When you're ready to quit.  Really, really ready.  When you know all the reasons why you're quitting and can keep that in your head over your unconcious habits.  When you're really ready to quit, you'll find reasons not to smoke, instead of making excuses to "have just one".

    If you need patches or pills to get you past the worst of the physical addiction period, get them.   Don't be afraid to get help where you need it, in whatever form you need it.

    Will you never crave a cigarette after quitting?  Of course the urge will strike once in a while.  Remember again why you quit in the first place.  Chances are if it's been more than a few months of smoke-free living (eating in non-smoking areas, smoke-free friends and relatives, etc.), you'll probably be repulsed by the cigarette.  

    Good luck to all who undertake this quest.  You'll need it.  When you're ready, you'll do it.


    How I quit (4.00 / 1) (#132)
    by mwalker on Tue May 13, 2003 at 12:45:27 PM EST

    Sorry to contradict the author, but I quit gradually. This is not to say that his approach does not have merit; this is simply my story.

    I had smoked since I was 18. I was smoking over a pack of Marl/Reds a day by the end of college. I cut back to Winston lights (organic/no additives) and then I started to cut back on dosage. After a year I was down to one cigarette a day. I would smoke it at night; it was my ritual. I would go out on the porch and light up my one cigarette and stare at the stars. I really liked it; to this day I miss the ritual. At the time I was also losing weight and getting into exercise.

    I have no idea when I smoked my last cigarette. I have no recollection at all of the event, I couldn't even pin it down to a six-month period. I just forgot to for a while, and one day I realized that I had 'quit', and that my new girlfriend probably wouldn't appreciate me being a smoker. So I just never smoked one again.

    My father has been addicted to cigarettes for 50 years and has been fighting them off and on his entire life. He's had a stroke and has developed diabetes, and he's back on the cigarettes right now. The addiction is strong in my family.

    I know that I'll never smoke again in my life, though. I'm just not sure why I was successful.

    Why I don't smoke and why I **HATE** cars (2.25 / 4) (#146)
    by Pig Hogger on Tue May 13, 2003 at 02:01:27 PM EST

    When I was a kid, our parents would pack us in the back of the volkswagen, and they would each light one. Since you could not open the fucking rear windows of the fucking cheap car, and they would not open their fucking windows to get the fucking smoke out, we were thoroughly smoked up.

    This is why I hate both cars and smoking, to the point of wanting to have both outlawed.
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    Is there a threshhold? (none / 0) (#150)
    by biggs on Tue May 13, 2003 at 02:29:57 PM EST

    For a few months I smoked like 1 or 2 a day. Maybe skipped a couple days.. It was enough that it was still enjoyable, but I never was addicted... at any point i could easily just stop... and have.. totally painless... I'm wondering if everyone can do this, and if so what's the threshold? 5 or less a day? less than a pack a day? I wonder if any studies have been done on this.. And also, if you smoke in moderation like I did, how bad it actually is for you health.

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    How I quit: (3.00 / 1) (#153)
    by V on Tue May 13, 2003 at 02:44:43 PM EST

    Very simple:
    I didn't have any money to buy them, somehow books and food were more important.

    I started again when I got a job, but after a while I started cutting and somehow I haven't smoked again and haven't felt the need to.
    Maybe I wasn't much into it anyway.
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    Cutting back (5.00 / 1) (#156)
    by Aruspex on Tue May 13, 2003 at 03:02:26 PM EST

    You say "cutting back" on smoking doesn't work. Yet just 5 paragraphs later you clearly state that you cut back your dosage of nicotine, "We went through the full patch, half patch, quarter patch, no patch"
    The difference, of course, is that you weren't cutting back on both types of addiction at the same time.
    From my own experience, cutting back works just fine, and it's a *lot* cheaper than patches and gum. As long as you have the willpower (or in my case sheer stubborn hard headedness) to stick to whatever plan you make for cutting back. My personal plan was even ambiguous, not a structured follow-the-plan-or-fail thing like what you see most often. Every couple of days (2-3, occasionally 4 days) I smoked one less cigarette. Eventually, I was smoking one every other day, at which point quitting entirely was simple.
    I say simple. I still get urges occasionally (after 6 or 7 months) though less now than when I started. I don't have a problem with second hand. If it's too thick I get annoyed but it doesn't send me away in disgust. Stale smoke smell, like from a smoker that doesn't change his clothes for a day, is somewhat repulsive, but I think that's repulsive to everyone to a greater or lesser extent.
    My only weakness is drinking. I'll bum a cig or two when I get drunk, though inhaling a full puff will send me into a coughing fit. But I don't have an instant relapse.
    I don't know, maybe I just have a completely non-addictive personality/chemistry. But you'd have to argue that point with a past me that is fighting a craving for just one more cigarette. And that argument probably wouldn't be pretty.

    Welbutrin is the key (5.00 / 1) (#157)
    by termfin on Tue May 13, 2003 at 03:12:10 PM EST

    I tried every quitting method in the book (and failed), until on a friend's recommendation I asked my doctor for a prescription of Welbutrin SR (normally an anti-depressant). 7 days after I started to take it I physically couldn't smoke. 14 days later I stopped trying. 2 months later I quit the Welbutrin with no negative side-effects and haven't smoked since - nor do I ever want to.

    Immune but outraged (3.33 / 3) (#160)
    by StephenThompson on Tue May 13, 2003 at 03:32:07 PM EST

    I grew up in a large family and every single one of them smoke except myself.  I was surrounded by cigarrettes 24/7 most of my life.  However, cigarette smoke makes me ill.  I have smoked a couple of cigarettes in my life, and each one made me sick.  So I am lucky in that I am effectively immune from nicotine.  

    I do know a lot about smokers though. The one thing that continues to astonish me is their total lack of outrage. YOU SHOULD BE OUTRAGED.  Cigarettes were designed to get you addicted and make you a slave to the tobacco lords.  They are completely deadly. [the horror of so many people dieing with cancer, emphasema,etc]  Those bastards didn't care a lick, they knew they were selling poison and didn't care if you died, as long as your children kept lining their pockets.  How can you let yourself be manipulated by those evil bastards?

    I don't get it (2.16 / 6) (#161)
    by the on Tue May 13, 2003 at 03:34:24 PM EST

    I like playing computer games. But I don't play them all day. I like watching movies. But I don't do it all day. I like eating food. But I don't do it all day. I like some other things, but I don't do them all day. When I smoked I had no more than about 5 in one day. My peak average over a few days when I was a student was about 1 or 2 a day. It was a pleasure. It gave me a great high. It was fun at parties. I was never addicted. The people who become addicted are the greedy bastards who take something enjoyable and smoke all day. 10 a day. 20 a day. 50 a day. Of course you'll get addicted. Nicotine is a great drug. But treat it as such. It deserves respect and moderation. Something that enjoyable doesn't need to be used every day all day.

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    Things that worked for me (5.00 / 3) (#163)
    by Bill Melater on Tue May 13, 2003 at 03:42:59 PM EST

    I smoked for about 10 years, so the hook was pretty well set. A handful of the tricks I used (and it's been awhile ... October 11 of 1986 ... scary that I can remember that, but don't recall my sister's birthday).

    Take up some sort of aerobic exercise as soon as you can. Make it part of your routine. If taking up smoking again means you'll be losing all the investment and sweat that you've poured into exercise, you'll be that much less likely to restart smoking.

    You have to view quitting as a fundamental change in your life ... you're a non-smoker now ... acquire and keep the habits of non-smokers.

    I leaned on non-smoking nicotine supplements. You can get them in nice clean forms like patches and gum. I chose chewing tobacco ... the Skoal crap, either loose or in those little pouches. The dipping habit is so unspeakably vile that it'll be much easier to quit than smoking. I dipped off and on for about three or four years after quitting smoking and found it to be much easier to drop as a habit.

    If you're a K5 reader, you probably drink like a fish. You have to be real careful when you're drunk, because that's when you're most likely to cave in. Frankly, if a bit of drinking can make the last girl you slept with look even remotely attractive, it'll be no time at all before you're puffing away again.

    The thing to remember is that usually some or most of your drinkin' friends are smokers, and they secretly wish you to fail. They'll deny it, but if you quit it makes them look like spineless dweebs. If they can lure you back in, they'll feel better about how they're fucking up their own worthless lives.

    There are two routes to take here: a) kill your smoker friends and bury them in the back yard next to all the women and hitchhikers, or b) piss them off so they'll never give you a cigarette to smoke. With few exceptions, I generally recommend the second approach.

    The best way to guarantee that they'll never give you a cigarette is to ask them for one at the start of the evening (while you're still sober and in control). The friend will gladly give you a cigarette, secretly happy to be getting you off of this foolish "quitting" nonsense.

    Make a great show of crumbling the cigarette up and throwing it away. For some reason, borrowing then crumbling a cigarette really pisses people off. It's okay if you light it on fire and draw the fumes into your body, but it's somehow offensive if you just throw it away. The net result being that your friends will not give you any cigarettes later in the evening when you're stinking drunk and thinking that just one won't do any harm.

    You also need to know that, like an alcoholic, you can never have another cigarette. Really. Never. Never ever. You can't ever just be a social smoker, or only smoke when you drink. It's an addiction, and you've already established that you have little or no control over it. Tough shit, live with it.



    How my aunt quit (5.00 / 10) (#167)
    by winthrop on Tue May 13, 2003 at 03:59:41 PM EST

    My aunt, when she wanted to quit, wrote a check for $1000 to the KKK (this was years and years ago, so it was quite a lot of money).  She signed it and gave it to a friend and told her, "If I ever smoke another cigarette, I want you to mail that check to KKK offices".  And she never smoked another cigarette.

    I don't know if I'd recommend this method, but I think it's a wonderful story.

    toys and life-savers (5.00 / 4) (#168)
    by janra on Tue May 13, 2003 at 04:00:59 PM EST

    I'm glad to say I never started smoking. I always thought my dad smelled horrible, so it never appealed to me.

    My dad quit ages ago, probably more than ten years now. He dealt with the nicotine withdrawal quietly - he didn't even tell us he had quit, and since he always smoked outside (Mom's rules) we didn't notice until weeks later. All he said (a few years later) was that you never stopped wanting a smoke, it just got easier to say "No" over time.

    He dealt with the habit portion of it by redirecting it: every time he wanted a cigarette, he'd suck on a hard candy, like a life-saver or something.

    He also redirected the money. Cigarette money was not allowed to be used for everyday stuff, for essentials, none of it. Cigarette money was for toys and only toys - and you know guys, they like expensive toys. He was very happy to be able to buy all the toys he could never afford before. And he could afford them - we'd been getting by just fine without the cigarette money before, so in that sense the finances didn't change.


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    Nonsense (5.00 / 1) (#169)
    by 5pectre on Tue May 13, 2003 at 04:19:25 PM EST

    You cannot quit a step at a time. You can't "cut down". You can't gradually quit. When you quit, you have to quit. You have to make the decision that you will never, ever smoke another cigarette again.

    That's exactly how I stopped smoking. I cut down until eventually I was on two per day, one when I woke up and one before I went to bed, kind of like a ritual. Then I just stopped completely. The first thing I did was stop smoking cigarettes and just smoke rollies. Then I just gradually cut down. Starting off with just smoking socially and then not at all. The hardest thing was not smoking when drinking guinness (and I still fail on this count ocassionally). I found that dry-roasted peanuts provided a reasonable substitute however (despite probably being more expensive). I can't say I know of anyone else that's quit like this but thats how it worked for me.

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    And pot is illegal... why? (2.66 / 6) (#171)
    by Lethyos on Tue May 13, 2003 at 04:50:43 PM EST

    I've been a pot smoker for a good long while.  I wasn't a dedicated smoker, but I certainly enjoyed it.  The other month, I decided to quit.

    So I did.

    And I haven't had the urge since.

    Why?  Because they're not physically addictive, only habbitual.  They're also not as bad for you as regular cigarettes (even unfiltered through a pipe).  They also have some beneficial effects.

    Could someone please remind me why the vice described at length in this article is legal, but cannibus is not?

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    You never quit until you die. (1.25 / 4) (#172)
    by yunfat on Tue May 13, 2003 at 04:54:25 PM EST

    This whole story is BS, as are all the other stories here about people who quit smoking. You can't actually call yourself a "quitter", it has to be done by someone else... only after you die, and lets say you haven't had a smoke in 35 years, can you truly consider yourself a person who has kicked the habit (no pun intended). If however, after a 35 year hiatus, on your deathbed you decide to have a cigar, you never actually quit smoking at all, you are in fact, still addicted. For this clown to say that he has had a couple of smoke free years and is now a "quitter" is ludicrous and an exercise in vanity.
    -- If you see a fork in the road, take it. -Yogi Berra
    Like an addiction. (5.00 / 2) (#174)
    by Ruidh on Tue May 13, 2003 at 04:58:48 PM EST

    I have to say that I agree with the addiction bit. I quit in '86 after about 10 years of smoking and I stayed quit for 7 years. Then I started having one cigarette a month and I was able to keep it there for about a year. Then I'd hsmoke only on Friday when I hung out with guys who smoked. Then I changed jobs and smoked everyday while I hung out with my new friends. Then I was hooked again.

    Now, after 7 years of smoking, I have quit again.
    I had to change a lot of things in my life to quit.

    I decided in advance on a day I would quit and, when I finished my cigarettes, I stopped. Cold turkey. I never liked the patch or nicotine gum and I knew that the nicotine just reinforces all of the other little habits that contribute to the smoking habit.

    It helped that I was just starting a vacation and I tended to smoke mostly at work. I was able to get through the vacation before I had to face my smoking buddies at work. When I did, I told them that I couldn't hang out with them anymore. I had to give up my smoking friends to quit.

    The thing that keeps me going is my new daughter. I never want her to see me smoking or know that I smoke. She gave me the strength to keep it up.
     
    "Laissez-faire is a French term commonly interpreted by Conservatives to mean 'lazy fairy,' which is the belief that if governments are lazy enough, the Good Fairy will come down from heaven and do all their work for them."

    I've smoked before (5.00 / 1) (#176)
    by BankofAmerica ATM on Tue May 13, 2003 at 05:06:42 PM EST

    I guess you could say I was addicted, smoking 3 packs a day.  But then I just decided it was stupid and quit just like that.  Sure, I got headaches etc., but they go away after a while if you just remind yourself that cancer is not worth getting over little sticks stuffed with death.  I don't like pills or patches or anything, they're just a waste of money.  Patches contain nicotine, and by using them you actively use nicotine, which is what you're trying to avoid.  Cold turkey can be a pain, but you gotta stick with it.  I notice a lot of people who quit with other methods begin to start again, and keep going through cycles.  I know not everyone is alike, but people seem to forget willpower.  I have an addictive personality myself.
    STOP PROJECT FAUSTUS!
    I'll smoke when I'm dead (5.00 / 3) (#181)
    by fantods on Tue May 13, 2003 at 05:52:36 PM EST

    Everyone has a different story, everyone's story is the same. It's nice to share them, even though they're multitudinous and similar and no one will read this one.

    Just do whatever it takes to quit. It's not worth it. I loved smoking, truly loved it with a passion, and wish I could do it again, but I'm not going to give up my lungs or my life for it.

    Smoking is the most wonderful daily ritual I've ever indulged in. And I'm glad I quit. It was sheer, stupid hell getting over it, and I'm amazed at the dumb things I'm proud of, having gone through it. What a fucking mess! God, aren't we humans idiotic goddamn complex stupid sonsofbitches!

    I figure I'll start again when I'm 90, and don't have a pot to piss in or a brain cell left to share. Just sit there mumbling and smoking, having a great ol' time. 'Cause, well...fuck 'em if they can't take a joke!

    Congrats. But you make me feel weak (5.00 / 2) (#191)
    by fluxrad on Tue May 13, 2003 at 07:31:49 PM EST

    mcgrew, your story is both inspiring and depressing. As soon as I finish this post, I'm going to go outside and have a cigarette.

    The problem is this: I know how to stop smoking. I just really don't want to stop smoking. I know it's the addiction, but I don't think I'm at the point where I accept that it's part of the addiction.

    In spite of all the ways to quit, the family support, the groups of friends, the hardest part is getting yourself to admit that it's time to quit. I just wish someone would write an article on how to do that.

    --
    "It is seldom liberty of any kind that is lost all at once."
    -David Hume
    Yet Another "How I Quit" Post (none / 0) (#196)
    by rho on Tue May 13, 2003 at 08:46:02 PM EST

    I, too, used the patch. mcgrew is absolutely correct, you can't quit on a whim--you need a motivator. Mine was a fiancee that laid down the law: there would be no smoking at *our* house. For other people, it's a sick child, or a medical scare, or something similar.

    The patch helped with the physical cravings a great deal. It also evened out my mood pretty well--I was quite the grump if I forgot my patch in the morning. The next challege is the habit.

    One thing that really helped me was going vegan. Not vegetarian, but hard-core vegan. For one, the effort required to eat well, i.e. not just eating raw carrots and broccoli 3 meals a day, distracts you. I spent my time where I would normally be walking outside for a butt searching the Web for recipes. Another benefit is that you will very likely gain weight when you quit. A vegan diet is slightly more difficult to blow up like a balloon than the normal American diet. About the only fast food you can go for is a plain baked potato and a salad without dressing.

    I also cut the drinking a great deal. For me, after a year of no smoking, I stopped having that feeling that I wanted a smoke. Even while travelling, I no longer long to light up like I used to. I hit the road-trip snacks pretty hard, but I always did that, even when I smoked. Now that my hump is over, I can drink like I used to without troubles. I can go to bars (not that I do, or ever did much), I can be around people who smoke, but I've found that I do tend to hang around with more non-smokers than smokers now.

    Good on ya for accomplishing your goal, mcgrew. It was tough, but you're a better person for it. Oh, and if you still smoke, you're a hard-core moron. Cut that shit out.


    "The thought of two thousand people munching celery at the same time [horrifies] me." --G.B. Shaw

    Hogwash! (2.66 / 9) (#210)
    by usmanc on Wed May 14, 2003 at 12:55:58 AM EST

    I must respectfully disagree with the author: there's no scientific evidence that smoking harms one's health OR that this "nicotine" is addictive. Don't let these so-called "experts" tell you otherwise - practice your God-given right to SMOKE!

    - Your Friendly Tobacco Executive

    Good writeup; bad advice (4.46 / 15) (#211)
    by anoland on Wed May 14, 2003 at 01:31:20 AM EST

    Please dont cut up the patches. They are specifically designed to deliver the medicine (in this case nicotine) at a specific rate. Between 1 and 1.5 milligrams/hr, depending on the manufacturer. Cutting them up DOES NOT reduce the dosage. In fact it can be detrimental to your health. If you cut up the patch you just destroyed the semi-permable layer that prevents the medicine (also engineered for this purpose) from surging into your blood stream. You just applied 11-15 mg of concentrated nicotine to  your skin. High dosages of nicotine, a vasoconstrictor, can cause serious medical problems. The worst being a stroke.

    Smoking has clear benefits for socialism (none / 0) (#215)
    by imrdkl on Wed May 14, 2003 at 02:24:31 AM EST

    Or so says this article from the local paper where I live, yesterday. They emphasize that it's a purely "academic" result, but it's true - smokers in Norway cost the health-care system far less than non-smokers. Seems they die sooner. :-/

    Anyways, thanks for a good, motivational (without being preachy) article.

    a different experience (5.00 / 3) (#216)
    by Alt SysRq B on Wed May 14, 2003 at 03:11:50 AM EST

    Well, my addiction was to caffeine, actually to coffee. I have no idea how that compares to cigarettes/tobacco, since i never smoked.
    Anyhow, i used to drink coffee way beyond the point where my hands started to shake, to the point where i actually experienced a dizzyness not unlikely to the one caused by alcohol. Very nasty. :-(
    It was obvious i had to quit, but i had no idea how. In any case, i always suspected the "cold turkey" methods wouldn't work. Now, if those methods don't work in my case (or in the case of people like me), or if it's a more general issue... i have no idea. It probably is something that's true only for my psychological structure.
    So, instead of going "cold turkey", i just started to build up inside the idea that i don't have to drink coffee anymore. Didn't try to throw the coffee can out the window, or anything. When i felt like drinking coffee, i just did, without feeling guilty. I just persisted in pushing my feelings towards detachement from coffee. And i did that stubbornly, yet without using an exagerated effort.
    Simply put, it was an investment in stubbornness, not in effort or strength or intensity of will.
    It worked, albeit slowly - but that was to be expected. In a year, i was already drinking coffee only rarely. After one more year, it became completely neutral to me - i didn't crave for it, i didn't hate it. It was just like that, yet another drink among other.
    Nowadays, some years after that, i drink a decaf every once in a while, probably one per week or so, but that's just because i get bored of other drinks. But the feeling that the caffeine gives to me actually became somewhat disturbing. I learned to appreciate the value and the strength of a clear mind.

    Hope that helps.

    shrug (3.40 / 5) (#219)
    by tokage on Wed May 14, 2003 at 04:31:35 AM EST

    I like to smoke. I am currently not smoking. I seem to go through periods of 3 months to a few years of not smoking, from a pack+ of marb reds a day(all I've ever smoked). Quitting for that long really doesn't bother me at all. Sometimes I just don't want to smoke anymore, so I stop, it's really not that hard for me. I do miss it sometimes, mostly when drinking. Not enough to make me start up when I don't want to though. The cost gets a bit much, and smoking kinda makes you feel bad physically.

    I never could stand people who smoke in front of kids. I really tried to limit how much I smoked in public places, no matter if they allowed it or not. 95% of the time I wouldn't smoke in resturants that allow it. I never smoked in enclosed areas around non-smokers either, even if they said they didn't mind. Going outside for a cig and getting away from everyone is really part of the appeal for me..

    I do agree about the cold turkey bit though. The stupid "power to quit" patch commercials are ridiculous. I don't have a lot of respect for the people who whine and moan when they try to quit; either do it, or don't. It's just a matter of willpower.. maybe I'm just lucky in that department or something though.

    The anti-smoking fad really irritates me too for some reason. The Truth commercials need to die. People get caught up in popular "healthy" fads the same way they get caught up in fashion fads. Guess I'm just an irritable bastard :)

    I always play / Russian roulette in my head / It's 17 black, or 29 red

    Forgot my sodding patch.... (4.50 / 2) (#223)
    by idiot boy on Wed May 14, 2003 at 05:18:45 AM EST

    Forgot to put it on this morning. You reminded me, thanks.

    Spot on throughout the article. I've quit 4 times over 14 years. 6Mo, 18Mo, 6Mo, 6Mo. I'm 4 days into quit number five but this time things are a little different.

    Had my first ever high blood pressure reading last week. Always been perfect up to now but it would appear to finally be getting to me. Nothing like a wake up call I suppose.

    Still, managed to plan it a few days in advance, a big blow out back in my home town at the weekend (took me back....) and then quitsville.

    Oh yeah. Just one ciggie, it's all it takes. Every single time, one cig and I was back on. That 18Mo stint was particularly annoying.

    Now... Where's that patch?

    --
    Science is a way of trying not to fool yourself

    Nicotine is a great drug (3.50 / 2) (#225)
    by SimonTzu on Wed May 14, 2003 at 06:11:30 AM EST

    It is mostly the means by which we generally ingest it (by inhaling lots of carcinogenic smoke) that make it dangerous.

    Once nicotine enters the brain, it starts to mimic the brain's most powerful chemical messengers. The result is a temporary improvement in brain chemistry that is experienced as enhanced pleasure, decreased anxiety, and a state of alert relaxation.

    Nicotine helps one cope with an over-stimulating environment, gives positive pleasure, helps one relax, reduces feelings of distress, helplessness, and loneliness, and also keeps weight down.  Nicotine can even provide a burst of energy when feeling tired, and improves concentration.

    Studies have sow huge potential for nicotine in Alzheimers:
    http://www.alzheimersupport.com/library/showarticle.cfm/ID/1437/e/1/T/Alzheimers/

    In Sweden people use moist snuff which is kind of like tobacco in a bag which you tuck into your mouth.  It is now more popular than cigarettes. The negative side-effects of snuff appear to be minor: (http://www.sos.se/sos/publ/refereng/9700-74e.htm)

    Unfortunatlety moist snuff is largley illegal outside of Sweden.  Most other non cigarette sources of nicotine which could gain widespread acceptance are either illegal or very expensive.  This is usually attributed to the "Dangers of nicotine addiction".  

    Why have we let the idiots in be in charge?
    --
    Simon Tzu
    Storyteller
    www.deeptalent.com

    Smoking is good (2.09 / 11) (#229)
    by enterfornone on Wed May 14, 2003 at 07:50:02 AM EST

    After dealing with hundreds of lusers on the phone all day, there is nothing more relaxing than heading outside and having a few smokes. Sure it's going to kill you, but I don't see non-smokers becoming immortal either.

    --
    efn 26/m/syd
    Will sponsor new accounts for porn.
    sucking the little white corporate penis (1.15 / 19) (#238)
    by peckerhead on Wed May 14, 2003 at 12:57:29 PM EST

    smokers are zeroes.  no matter how addictive, you've gotta be a total loser to smoke.  you're all worthless whores.  give rj another corporate blowjob.

    no will, no reason, no thought ... just desire.
    losers.

    not just for cigarettes... (none / 0) (#242)
    by mocktor on Wed May 14, 2003 at 06:20:08 PM EST

    Good advice, and similar is true for rather more addictive substances.

    What most societies don't like to admit is that addictions start for a reason - often because the substance is rewarding and it goes on giving until its too late for the user to stop easily.

    From personal experience i'd say its hard to beat any addiction until you've understood why you're addicted, emotionally far more than physically.


    Stop sucking (1.00 / 3) (#243)
    by Lode Runner on Wed May 14, 2003 at 08:03:32 PM EST

    That's how to quit smoking and improve yourself.

    This article made us light a cigarette. (nt) (1.66 / 3) (#248)
    by The Terrorists on Wed May 14, 2003 at 08:52:00 PM EST


    Watch your mouth, pigfucker. -- Rusty Foster

    the secret of giving up (none / 0) (#249)
    by chu on Wed May 14, 2003 at 08:55:16 PM EST

    is knowing that it's not as hard to kick as people say. The idea that it's such a big deal to give up fags creates a high additional psychological hurdle - I've even read people saying that nicotine is more addictive than heroin!

    there's only one response. (5.00 / 1) (#251)
    by burntfriedman on Wed May 14, 2003 at 09:07:18 PM EST

    "I quit smoking everytime I extinguish my lit cigarette."

    Hmm... (2.50 / 2) (#253)
    by valar on Wed May 14, 2003 at 09:21:04 PM EST

    I guess I just don't have an addictive personality. Or maybe I just don't ever get addicted.

    how about this (5.00 / 1) (#256)
    by relief on Wed May 14, 2003 at 10:04:46 PM EST

    in par with my previous post about how cigarette addiction doesn't seem to affect some people much, try this, this is what i do. may not work for anyone other than me.

    stop thinking about how you want to quit smoking. don't bring up the concept of cigarette or smoke, except when you smoke. don't feel guilty that you smoke, or pressured to quit. stop reading and writing these articles about quitting.

    instead, spend that time 1) doing something mundane yet fun that doesn't require nicotine (musical instrument practice for instance) 2) learn how to enjoy withdrawal, see if you can fight it, or try to understand why its happening but don't associate it with quitting.

    smoke when you feel like it, but before you strike down your thumb on that lighter, double check whether you really want it. it's important not to feel pressured. if you can put the cigarette back in the pack, walk on and forget about it. don't reward yourself.

    and notice any changes in your lungs and body.

    hopefully that fun activity you do will replace your smoking habit. with a little luck you might even associate nicotine withdrawal with improvement in your activity.


    ----------------------------
    If you're afraid of eating chicken wings with my dick cheese as a condiment, you're a wuss.

    The last legal form of suicide (none / 0) (#261)
    by Smokin Juan on Thu May 15, 2003 at 12:05:34 AM EST

    That's right folks. It tastes like shit, smells even worse and all the spout-off about any "calming" effect smacks if convoloution. Anything that we think we might be gaining from smoking is really just filtered and twisted perspective of our subconciousness trying to do ourselves in permanately. Live in America? No, our subconciousness realizes that we live in a re-hashed version of nazi-germany and what kind of dick wart wants that. Live in Yugoslavia? Iran? Russia? Your subconciousness is telling you that there is no hope, because you could live in a nice cozy place like America but look at what kind of fucking asshole you'd be then.

    I don't claim to be an expert on suicide, but my guess would be that every sort of flim-flam government has a law disallowing it. Look at Kevorkian... Illegal. Slit your wrist? Better not get caught. Smoke a cigarette? Ahh, now someone's makin' some cash! Now we've got legions of docile cigarette rollin' cogs who can be called up on active duty if ever some installed dictator is accused of having WMD. Now, we've got progress. Now we've got shorter life-spans AND a bunch of scape-goats for rising health insurance premiums. Well, that's what the man tells us anyway. I always figure that that "smoker" check-box on the insurace application was saving a few pennies for the non-smokers amongst we capitalists.

    Face it, we're killing ourselves and we know it. It's the only legal and therefore respectable way to do it, so I guess at least we're saving face. It wasn't always this way. It used to be that people did it because... Well why in the fuck would anyone pay $150 for Nike shoes? But now we know. Now they tell you right there on the pack, "This shit will kill you and if not you then your baby or maybe someone elses baby."
    "Well, fuck the babies," you say, "this is the only respectable exit their givin' me."
    So as you drive to work the next day with three squares left in the pack you think, "better not get left without." And there you are at that convenient counter saying, "... and a pack of Pall Mall Lights."

    After all, who'd want to live in a society that only offers one route to suicide?

    Uhh, anybody got a light?

    Do Smoking Bans Help? (5.00 / 1) (#262)
    by weave on Thu May 15, 2003 at 01:33:00 AM EST

    Please ignore the over-debated argument of whether a smoking ban is right or not, I'm just curious, for those trying to quit, does a locale that has a smoking ban help things? Like, if you go to a bar and no one is allowed to smoke, wouldn't that remove yet one more situation that might trigger the craving to start up again?

    Quitting Caffeine... (none / 0) (#271)
    by pgrb on Thu May 15, 2003 at 11:09:12 AM EST

    I liked the story on quitting smoking.  I also like the comments that different folks find different methods work (or don't work).

    I've never smoked cigarettes, and at worst smoked a cigar a week for a period of about 6 weeks. I got *really* fed up of waking with a mouth that tasted **awful**.

    Caffeine was different.  My primary ingestion method was coffee, but tea and chocolate helped.  I loathe Coca-Cola, Mountain Dew, Pepsi and other carbonated water/sweetened/caffienated drinks.

    Plain black coffee.  Mmmmm.

    I was drinking so much, my hands shook, and my stomach was just plain painful - so I stopped.  I was giving it up for Lent (not that I'm especially religious) - and it was interesting to see if I could do it.  I ran through the gamut of herbal teas, some of which smelled wonderful, and all of which tasted like lukewarm water - which is not my favorite drink - except for peppermint. Decaffeinated tea and coffee just taste *dreadful*. Since then (about 3 years ago), I've drunk two cups of tea because I wanted to, and a couple because I was given them in social situations where it was easier just to drink them rather than make a fuss - but none else.

    I still like coffee.  My partner drinks the stuff daily - decent filter coffee that smells very nice in the morning - but  I  just  don't  drink  it any  more.  It's possible I'll start again when I feel like it, but I'm happier racking up a longer and longer tea and coffee free period.

    I'm not caffeine free.  About once every 6 weeks or so, I *have* to eat some plain chocolate.  Lindt 70% Cocoa, Green & Black Organic 70%, or Bendick's Bittermints Couverture Chocolate (95% cocoa) - but that's it.

    However, my drug of choice appears to have become menthol (the key chemical in peppermint as far as I can see).  Drinking about 6 mugs a day of this at present.  I can't find any literature on the possible health effects of that.

    Right now, I'm off alcohol for medical reasons (it doesn't play well in my liver with a long term anti-fungal I'm taking), so the no-smoking, no caffeine and no alcohol qualifies me for membership of some religious sects.

    Being alcohol free is irritating - but I know I'll be going back to that - there's no way I'd take the pledge.  Sitting out the duration of the medication isn't a problem though.

    I couldn't give up chocolate either.  I don't need much of it (as I said - about once every 6 weeks) - but if I don't get it, I *really* crave it.  Tried to give it up for Lent once - no dice.

    For me, giving up is about setting a challenge - can I not have a coffee for a day? A couple of days? A whole week? Two weeks? A month? Oh look - three months have gone by.  I don't neeeeed a coffee - but I *could* have one whenever I want, but lets see how long I can go.  It's been more than 3 years now.

    What I do know is that if I start drinking coffee again, I'll soon be back to overdose levels - so I just don't.

    Hope the rambling was helpful to someone...

    Kudzu? (none / 0) (#280)
    by pingflood on Thu May 15, 2003 at 05:48:55 PM EST

    I know that some alcoholics have used kudzu to help with their addiction; supposedly it messes with the 'addiction center' of the brain (according to the little I've read) to suppress cravings. Anybody have experience with using it in relation to nicotine addiction?


    Sell fitness equipment, make bucks. Cool affiliate program.

    B vitamins (none / 0) (#291)
    by gorme on Thu May 15, 2003 at 09:23:55 PM EST

    One thing that helps a lot is to take lots of B vitamins. Niacin and Choline Bitartrate are very similar chemically to nicotine and take away the craving.

    Thanks for making my day! (none / 0) (#302)
    by Lysol on Sat May 17, 2003 at 02:47:06 PM EST

    what an entertaining bunch of posts. you've put a smile back on my face and lifted some heavy dread from my soul!

    i was havin a piss poor day. it's fucking packed in nyc; there's a street fair 30 somethin blocks long right outside my house (i hate people); some old asshole yelled at me for almost knocking him over (which was bullshit and my food was gettin cold!) as he almost knocked over some old blind dude walkin with his dog; *and* to top it off, yesterday, my friend was trying to tell me that if i'm hangin out w/his ex and he's not allowed to pick us up from the airport, then i can count on not staying w/him when i fly back to visit all my friends! sheesh! what a shitty two days..

    but then, the smoking posts. i don't smoke. i look at those who preech about their rights, etc, to and think, fine i have a right to blow a fine mist of hydrochloric acid in your vicinity as well. however, unless i'm really drunk and they're my best friends, i never say shit.

    my dad smokes. my girlfriend smokes (altho, thank god not as much anymore). some of my best friends smoke (poor fucking bastards; i'll be attending their funerals sobbing "why?!"). it's all about themselves.

    i did for a bit - it was all about a girl. but one night after she flew the coop and i was trying to calm down, i lit up and then just got the worst headache and felt like i was gonna puke. so that was it. after 6 months straight, no mas.

    nyc is smoke free in the bars now and people bitch about it all the time, but fuck, what's the big deal? just go the fuck outside! take a break from the bottle. it's good fer ya. i lived in s.f. up until last year and they implemented the same thing. people bitched, but then they got over it. now tho, when you're caught outside, u can see the extremists eyeing those smokers down thinking 'filthy pigs, if i had some wmd's right now...'.

    ah, ya gotta love it. time for a beer...

    why would I quit? (none / 0) (#304)
    by urbanRealist on Sat May 17, 2003 at 09:40:57 PM EST

    "To get more chicks"
    I couldn't care less about an early death, but if I didn't smoke, I think I'd be more appealing to more girls.

    I recently... (none / 0) (#305)
    by ThreadSafe on Sat May 17, 2003 at 10:17:33 PM EST

    stopped (not quit) smoking after eight years of a pack a day.

    This might sound weird but when it comes to giving up nicotine I've found that practice makes perfect.

    Try giving up for a day at a time. Then maybe a week. Se how long you can go. Don't get to down on yourself if you don't last very long.

    It's been a month since my last ciggarette, and even then it was only one packet on a weekend where there was a lot of drinking to be done, and that was the first pack in a about 6 weeks at the time.

    Eventually you'll get to a stage where the reflex of reaching for your smokes will dissapear.

    Also it helps to keep it mind that smoking is for weak-minded bitches. Make your a abstinsance a source of pride. Remind yourself how bigger knock your self esteem will take if you bow to the pressure and start smoking again.

    Make a clone of me. And fucking listen to it! - Faik

    hmmm (none / 0) (#315)
    by kaens on Thu May 22, 2003 at 02:00:08 PM EST

    lets see.....why quit and put up with cravings when i can just smoke? i tend to not take advice from people who cant spell flammable.


    --I surface, and I stagnate.
    My quitting method (none / 0) (#316)
    by awgsilyari on Thu May 22, 2003 at 04:39:17 PM EST

    My quitting method is this: the next time I feel the urge to smoke, I will come to this page and re-read all the comments.

    This morning, I walked out into the garage, and found my mother already awake (I live at home still, erf). She's been smoking since 17 or so (she's in her early 50's). A bad feeling suddenly came over me. I did not fear for my own life, but for my mother's life.

    I said, "Hey, mom. This is my last pack of smokes. What do you say we both stop doing this?" She looked at me for a second, then nodded. We finished our smokes in silence. That was the last Marb in the pack, for me.

    On the way to work, I bought another pack. I said to myself, "I'm going on a trip this weekend, I'll quit then." I smoked a few here at work this morning.

    Then, I browsed over here. I started at the top of this article and simply read it all. Not even ten minutes ago, I walked outside for my last smoke. I took the newly purchased pack, still with 17 cigarettes in it, and chucked it into the dumpster.

    This will be the last time I will taste cigarette smoke on my breath. The end of the noxious odor emanating from my index fingers. Coughing up bits of black crap every morning. Maybe I can finally break level 20 for a long period on the stepper machines at the gym, since my blood will be able to hold more oxygen than ever before.

    But most of all I want to quit for my mom. As long as we live under the same roof, neither can quit without the other. And I'm far more concerned about her than about myself.

    Let's make this article into a sort of smoker's support group, what do you say? Whenever any of us is having a bad day, or an irresistable urge, let's come here and post our frustrations. Writing this message right now is helping me immensely.

    --------
    Please direct SPAM to john@neuralnw.com

    Why i failed (none / 0) (#323)
    by CuteAlien on Fri May 23, 2003 at 07:00:11 PM EST

    I've managed to stop smoking for a whole month. This was the longest time without cigarettes since i started (about 7 years ago). And while i disagree with the sense of smell thing of the article (i didn't remember what i missed and the bad smells may be part of recovering this sense but this was definitly worth it imho) i still endorse any helpful articel which will support me next time i'm trying this. Well, why i failed... After a month without smoking (guess it - i was proud of it) i walked home to my rooms slightly drunken. I passed a pub and suddenly someone called my name. It was the owner of the kiosk wher e i've usually buyed my cigarettes. He was even a lot more drunken 'n me and invited me for a whiskey. And after about 2 or 3 free whiskey he offered me a cigarette. Hard thing. I refused and told him that i've stopped it and didn't want to take one. He just kept it in front of my face and nearly pleaded me just to take one. Well... he has spend me some free drinks, i was not sober and i didn't want to disappoint him - so i finally took one. I didn't hesitate long when he offered me the next one. It was a really nice evening (he took me to a really f*cking nice bar and we did trink a lot...). When we left he gave me the rest of the package and i took it. Next morning, well, i had some cigarettes left and thought it wouldn't be such a problem to smoke em.. i could finish after that. But no chance, i was hooked again! I was back to a package a day withing less than a month. My next tries to finish this failed miserably. I still wish i could stop, but currently i just fail to have the mental strength which is necessary for this (new job, new town, 'nough trouble already). If i've learned one thing from this, it is that i am just not able to smoke one more and stop again, when i quit next time i have to say NO, no matter the circumstances.

    some things learned in medical school (5.00 / 1) (#327)
    by gilgul on Sat May 24, 2003 at 08:19:50 PM EST

    --many people stop smoking because their doctor told them to. --some people just won't become addicted: "Most of the nicotine is metabolized to cotinine by the genetically variable enzyme CYP2A6 [which has 3 alleles]. However, some individuals lack full functional CYP2A6, and therefore have impaired nicotine metabolism. [i.e. the nicotine stays in their system longer] Thus these individuals are significantly protected against becoming tobacco-dependent smokers. In addition, smokers whose nicotine metabolism is thus impaired smoke significantly fewer cigarettes than those with normal nicotine metabolism." (German Torres, Ph.D. in handout entitled Neuropharmacology) --smoking kills the cilia (cellular hairs that move like waves of grain) lining your trachea, which moves mucous and the germs trapped therein up your windpipe to be swallowed and killed by your stomach. This explains "smoker's cough", which is the only other mechanism (other than standing on your head) for removing mucous from the lungs. It also explains a higher predilection to infections in smokers. --smoking is one of the most potent carcinogens known. --my father, an oncologist, says that most (90%) of his patients have lung cancer, and it usually kills them. The irony is, they still can't quit, and smoke while having their I.V. chemotherapy at his office. Outside, of course. --Lung cancer typically metastisizes to the brain. --typically, the tumor marker for lung cancer irreversibly converts to positive at around 20 pack-years of smoking, which means a pack a day for 20 years, or 2 packs a day for 10, etc. This means that there are cancer indicators in the blood at 20 pack years whether the person is sick or not or diagnosed with CA or not. Statistically speaking, of course, so everyone will show some variation from this, but it represents an average. I still smoke, despite every professor pontificating about the hazards of smoking. I've set a stop date at June 6 (a day after the last exam), but my ultimate goal is to become an occasional smoker. Smoking once a month, I think, would be ideal. I've gotten some good stuff from this forum. thanks and good luck people!

    new thought (none / 0) (#332)
    by relief on Mon May 26, 2003 at 05:06:23 AM EST

    i study the mind when i have nothing better to do. recently i convinced myself of where "wills" and "urges" come from. in short, i hypothesize that the reason why cigarrettes are so hard to quit, is because one thinks about their cigarrette while they smoke. if nicotine causes "pleasure", and one thinks of cigarrettes while smoking, for several reasons one would naturally begin to crave cigarrettes. i recommend not thinking of the thing between your two fingers, while smoking. make your brain active, think of productive things while its lit.

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    Quitting is Hell (none / 0) (#333)
    by SteveTheRed on Mon May 26, 2003 at 05:32:03 AM EST

    I smoked for about 15 years. I finally decided to quit after I watched my mother-in-law die a horrible death of cancer. She died at 52. I never really believed in my heart of hearts that a perfectly healthy person (who smoked) could have her body destroyed in a few months. I believe now, and I believe that it could happen to me. I decided that I didn't want to put my children through what my wife had been through.

    I used Zyban (Wellbutrin) and increased my caffiene intake to heroic proportions. The Zyban helped with the physical addition, but it didn't do a damn thing for the ritual habit.

    The hardest part for me was joining the ranks of the nonsmokers. You know them. They stay inside at break time. They eat healthy stuff. They are BORING, but at least they (and I) are probably not going to die young and in pain.

    no shit (none / 0) (#341)
    by KaizerWill on Wed May 28, 2003 at 09:35:29 PM EST

    i live in a place without a cigarette tax, and its still a whole lot of money. $25 every 10 days. geez.


    You were there for that...
    It's all a mental thing... (none / 0) (#343)
    by Invaderstin on Sun Jun 01, 2003 at 06:23:04 PM EST

    Let me first say that for younger adults like myself, quitting is most definately easier than someone who already has 10 or 15 pack years.  

    I myself only smoked a pack a day for 2 years, but I found that the best way to quit was to do it gradually.  Nobody can just "quit" smoking right away, you have to slow down smoking, then just stop altogether...try to think of it that way.

    If you are at a pack a day, begin by trying to limit yourself to 15-18 the first week, then every week or two weeks, cut down that number.  When you are down to 7-10 cigarettes a day, that's already halfway there!  It is tough and some days you will smoke more (weekends) but overall try and lower the number just slightly.

    It takes courage and heart and dedication to want to quit naturally.  I refuse to take gum, patches or pills to quit.  That is unhealthy and who wants side effects?  You have to be willing and able to quit by yourself with just your mental capacity at work.

    Justin

    This is Going to Sound Sad (none / 0) (#344)
    by wickedripeplum on Fri Jun 06, 2003 at 04:15:05 PM EST

    Reading that article made me want a cigarette. Really badly. Actually anyone talking about cigarettes makes me want one.

    I've found that I can get through the day with only one or two, but as soon as anything makes me think of them I start having terrible cravings.

    This is Going to Sound Sad (none / 0) (#345)
    by wickedripeplum on Fri Jun 06, 2003 at 04:16:09 PM EST

    Reading that article made me want a cigarette. Really badly. Actually anyone talking about cigarettes makes me want one.

    I've found that I can get through the day with only one or two, but as soon as anything makes me think of them I start having terrible cravings.

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