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Karl Marx On Religion

By kwertii in Politics
Tue Mar 18, 2003 at 04:30:51 PM EST
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Perhaps Karl Marx's best known quotation is his description of religion as "the opiate of the masses." This quote is often misrepresented by those ideologically opposed to Marx as though Marx were advocating immediate and total obliteration of all religions. On the contrary, Marx viewed religion as the sole solace, often, of the oppressed proletarian classes. He would not have dreamed of tearing this away, their only consolation in life.

Lutheranism was the prescribed Prussian state religion, and career advancement for non-Lutherans and especially Jews was difficult to impossible. But for Marx, religion in general was merely a symptom of a much larger issue -- the fundamentally predatorial economic relationship between the bourgeois class and the proletariat -- rather than religion being a fundamental problem in itself. As Napoleon put it, "Religion is great stuff for keeping the poor from murdering the rich."


In 1843, Bruno Bauer suggested that the abolition of any state sponsored religion would solve "The Jewish Question" -- institutional discrimination against Jews prevalent in contemporary Prussian society. Marx, in his analysis of Bauer's thesis, suggests that Bauer does not adequately address the issue with such a simplistic response, as Bauer is fundamentally misunderstanding the basis of the situation. Marx points to the examples of the United States and Canada, nations without state-sponsored religions, as examples of the inadequacy of Bauer's proposition. In these states, religious discrimination and prejudice were alive and well, despite the lack of official sanction.

The only net difference in North America, in practical terms, was the fracture of one monolithic state religion into countless tiny sects which differ only in relatively minor theological details. Marx says that this separation of the theological arena from the political arena merely creates a duality in the mode of existance of individual members of such societies. They assume two roles - that of the citizen, egalitarian, community-oriented, and equal; and that of the private individual in so-called civil life - just as self-interested and prejudicial (religiously and otherwise) as ever.

Marx recognizes that this separation of church from state is inevitable and a necessary step in the long chain of social development leading to a perfect state of communal society. The separation of church and state is important, significant, and necessary insofar as it represents political emancipation for the people - the ability to officially participate in the government, to vote, to run for office, etc. In a broader social sense, the seperation of church from state does little to end religious discrimination in general. It merely privatizes it. The separation is a step in the right direction, to be sure, but far from the complete solution, as Bauer would have it. In the language of Marx's historical materialism, the separation of church and state is just another necessary dialectical change that must inevitably occur on the road to the perfect communal society. Religious discrimination and even organized religion in itself are merely symptoms of underlying socioeconomic disparities, rather than endpoints.

Systematic organized religions can be and are employed as a tool of oppression by the bourgeois classes, one of the central philosophical areas explored by the circle of Young Hegelians at the University of Berlin under Bauer. Christianity in particular was employed by the European and North American bourgeois, but the Young Hegelians theorized that the same principles could be applied to any state and any religion. All laws in these societies have their basis in religious texts.

David Strauss argued that Christianity was originally a religion of the poor and oppressed masses, which had been appropriated by the ruling classes to control the populace. The promise of an eternal reward in the afterlife was perverted to induce people to not ever even think of rebellion against their oppressors. As Jesus himself was leading a mass movement of the poor and oppressed, not the rich, state religion was illegitimate.

Despite this, Marx realized that many people among the oppressed proletarians had come to cling very dearly to religion. He felt they had essentially been brainwashed by the bourgeois ruling classes over the course of their entire lives to be docile and content with their stations in life through the promises of an afterlife. To deny this consolation to them in the course of liberating them from bourgeois oppression would be cruel, and counterproductive besides. Of much more importance is eradicating the underlying social and economic apparatuses which engender classes and class oppression in the first place, and permit the existence of religious descrimination as a scapegoat. These issues are merely cogs in a much larger machine dedicated to preserving economic disparity.

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The quote in context (5.00 / 10) (#5)
by epepke on Mon Mar 17, 2003 at 08:36:34 PM EST

From "A Contribution to the Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right":

Religion is, indeed, the self-consciousness and self-esteem of man who has either not yet won through to himself, or has already lost himself again. But, man is no abstract being squatting outside the world. Man is the world of man -- state, society. This state and this society produce religion, which is an inverted consciousness of the world, because they are an inverted world. Religion is the general theory of this world, its encyclopaedic compendium, its logic in popular form, its spiritual point d'honneur, it enthusiasm, its moral sanction, its solemn complement, and its universal basis of consolation and justification. It is the fantastic realization of the human essence since the human essence has not acquired any true reality. The struggle against religion is, therefore, indirectly the struggle against that world whose spiritual aroma is religion.

Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.

The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo.


The truth may be out there, but lies are inside your head.--Terry Pratchett


The Source of The Quote (5.00 / 5) (#6)
by opendna on Mon Mar 17, 2003 at 08:48:00 PM EST

SOURCE

"Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people."

Kinda strange that there aren't more copies of the original source floating about the net. You'd think with the thousands of references to it that more folks would put the whole work online...



I suppose that's why blacks are so religous (3.20 / 5) (#7)
by Big Sexxy Joe on Mon Mar 17, 2003 at 09:22:36 PM EST

Same with hispanics. They put up with more crap and need more opiate.

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Ignorance is the opiate of the people. (4.93 / 15) (#9)
by NFW on Mon Mar 17, 2003 at 10:39:45 PM EST

Religion is the pipe.


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Actually (3.30 / 10) (#12)
by duncan bayne on Tue Mar 18, 2003 at 12:04:43 AM EST

Marx recognizes that this separation of church from state is inevitable and a necessary step in the long chain of social development leading to a perfect state of communal society.

Actually, it's an inevitable step towards a free society, where people can interact with each other however they choose, provided they don't interfere with that right in others.

Of course, a Marxist society is about as unfree as you can get - hence the antagonism between Marxism & Fascism; they're two different takes on the same theme. In one, you belong to the 'master race', in the other, you belong to 'society'.



Technology (4.00 / 4) (#19)
by Nucleus on Tue Mar 18, 2003 at 01:50:54 AM EST

Marxism may one day govern the planet, but it won't be until we advance our technology. If the technology is not there to provide for people's "needs", and to a certain degree, "wants", Marxism probably won't work. So until then, on a planet with limited resources, competition will continue... and if Darwin was right, competition (survival of the fitest) is what made us what we are today, reversing that, and what evolution has made us into, will take a very long time.

Socialism for needs, capitalism for wants

Poll write in: (5.00 / 7) (#20)
by Soviet Russian on Tue Mar 18, 2003 at 01:54:26 AM EST

Your choice of Unix editor programs.

Listen (4.00 / 8) (#24)
by medham on Tue Mar 18, 2003 at 04:51:53 AM EST

Ever since Karl Popper proved that Marxism was a unfalsifiable religion that led to closed societies in which there could only be conjectures, not refutations, only CIA psyopistas have written articles taking Marx's disproven theories seriously. We all know that positivism triumphed with the publication of that book by Wittgenstein the other day.

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Assumptions (4.50 / 4) (#40)
by OldCoder on Tue Mar 18, 2003 at 11:18:55 AM EST

Of course, if God is genuine and real, then this is just a part of his plan.

If you start with the atheism of Karl Marx, it is reasonable to look at religion as a sort of mass con game. When the political legitimacy of government depended on the "Divine Right of Kings" it made more sense and was more important for social cohesion.

Since the invention of Democracy and the idea of power deriving from the consent of the governed, religion has indeed been shrinking as a factor in organized thought and in social structure. But which came first? Was the relative lack of religiousity in George Washington and Thomas Jefferson another reason to invent democracy, or was the dislike of royalty a reason to dimish the role of religion?

Karl Marx had never experienced the relative religious freedom we have in modern society, unless he spent more time in the Netherlands or in the US than I have heard.

People, being smart, evolved theologies such as "Liberation Theology" and, in some Protestant groups, the elevation of prosperity to be a sign of God's blessing, as a way around the con.

Is Religion a Drug?
People are not fundamentally consistent in a any deep way, so it is possible to understand both sides of the question, and to use the logic from either side when it seems applicable. An atheist could perhaps accept the life of a religious person as life long poem being enacted in life itself, a sort of expensive performance art, a behavioral excercise, for a deep, ineffable purpose, but one that is clearly intended to improve the practicitioner. The need for such self improvement can be seen both in the costs of immorality (the lack of self-discipline in life) in modern civilization and also in the popularity of modern New Age movements, cults, and the rise of Spiritual Feminism, Christian Fundamentalism, and Orthodox Judaism. Religion brings a community process to life, it fosters self-discipline and good habits, for many religions, tends to preserve and enhance life for the individual and society. Nowadays, opium is the opium of the people, as drug addiction takes on ever larger proportions, making it's way into the very top levels of Western leadership.

On the other hand long wars, such as the 30 years war, which had large religious components, seem to argue against the artistic or self-improvement interpretation. But they did help Europe invent and elevate the principle of the Separation of Church and State, which has not penetrated certain other areas, such as the Islamic world.

Research Questions:
Research Question: The Catholic countries seem to be uniformly less prosperous than the Protestant countries, France excepted. Is there a reason for this? Related question: Why did the Muslim countries decline as the Christian countries rose? Was it climate?

Research Question: Just before the Cold War ended, in August 1987, there was a massive piece of performance art/religiousity in the US called the Harmonic Convergence, in which people held hands from one coast to another. Just google for "Harmonic Convergence". This massive outpouring of gullibility and possibly idol-worship was followed by the fall of the Berlin Wall and the End of the Cold War, seemlingly proving the claims of the organizers that they would bring about world peace. Why didn't their religion take off? Or did it? By the way, reading any of the web pages that come up when you search for Harmonic Convergence can be hazardous to your mental health. The gibberish factor is extremely high. Possibly a world record.

Research Questions: Explain why God gave Oil mostly to the Muslims. Also, has God blessed America? Is the creation of Israel a fulfillment of Biblical prophecy or just a coincidence?

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+1... (3.50 / 2) (#42)
by Run4YourLives on Tue Mar 18, 2003 at 11:24:16 AM EST

for simply getting Marx's view of religion correct.

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A nice contemporary example... (none / 0) (#45)
by inherent on Tue Mar 18, 2003 at 11:55:32 AM EST

...of what can happen when the opiate of religion is used on a repressed populace too harshly can be seen in the movie Romero. As movies go, it's relatively historically accurate, although it definitely simplifies the situation a bit, and tends to ignore people who had alot to do with the situation that aren't feature characters. But all in all, it illustrates this point nicely.

Modern examples (4.55 / 9) (#48)
by Jman1 on Tue Mar 18, 2003 at 01:08:44 PM EST

of religion being used by the powerful to control the powerless. Did you ever notice how:

Very religious groups vote in blocs, according to how their leaders instruct?

Virtually every American politician is or pretends to be a very devout Christian?

That Christianity is a religion which preaches that it's good not to have material desires or objects and to be satisfied with your lot?

Religion is, and has been, used to hold onto discrimination against minorities (formerly blacks, now gays and lesbians) for as long as possible?

While people claim that suicide bombers/abortion doctor killers/etc aren't "real" Muslims/Christians/whatever, religion is clearly used by their leaders as a tool to organize and motivate?

One of the most talked-about things on tv evangelical shows is sending money?

That Christian Right talk show hosts like Michael Savage are also, or formerly were, sellers of herbal remedies and other snake oils? (Yes, herbal remedies may be helpful in some circumstances. Still, most people selling them seem to be either conning or conned.)

One other interesting point is that religion can be used as a tool by the powerful to control the weak without the powerful really being conscious of it. Religion has evolved right along with everything else, so that politics and religion naturally fit together.

Poll: (5.00 / 1) (#80)
by Anonymous 7324 on Tue Mar 18, 2003 at 04:59:01 PM EST

an orgasm, if you count neo-Darwinism as a sort of religion, I suppose.

Marx is gibberish (3.20 / 5) (#83)
by khallow on Tue Mar 18, 2003 at 05:35:37 PM EST

As far as I can tell, the writings of Marx consist of a huge spew of logical fallacies and rhetorical zigzag mixed with sound bites and wishful thinking. It causes me some pain merely to peel Marx's witty veneer to find actual concrete statements and logic. How else can you explain a lengthy passage that evolves from discussing civil and political emancipation of Jews in Germany to some sort of heady unification of Christianity and Judaism with the blithe conclusion that:

The social emancipation of the Jew is the emancipation of society from Judaism.

What does the conclusion have to do with the start? What is this about anyway?

Due to the clear, concise way that Marx and fellow Socialists/Marxists/Anarchists wrote and thought, we got to view one of the great ironies of history. Namely, using the tenants of Marxism to hypocrtically perpetuate classes and class warfare as evidenced in so-called "communist" countries of the Twentieth Century. Further, several nations have "withered away", but in the process failed to approach the "perfect communal state". For example, Yugoslavia, Somalia, and Zimbabwe.

Let's face it. Marxism neither has been a rational nor practical philosophy. Instead, it is just another religion with it's dogma (things get better via "revolutions" and dialetic progress), religious works (Das Kapital and associated writings), that are sufficiently vague and excisable, from which any conclusion can conveniently be derived, and promises (instead of Heaven, we have the perfect communal society forever dangling in the future). Ultimately, Marxism prevailed not because of its relevance to human society, but because it promised the right things to the groups that were striving for power at a time of change.

Stating the obvious since 1969.

and i view marx intellectualism as his only solace (4.33 / 3) (#94)
by turmeric on Tue Mar 18, 2003 at 07:36:06 PM EST

against the cruel society that made him a freakish boor who was so sacrimoniously elitist that he considered other peoples beliefs to be 'brainwashing' and that they would 'leave behind' those 'silly primitive beliefs' when they 'became educated', like him of course.

intellectuals like marx are sort of to be pitied, they have been brainwashed by the system and each other into thinking thtat pitying 'poor people' somehow is the same thing as making society more fair. actually i dont really pity them, so much as think they are fucking shitbags. but it cant be helped. taking away the solace of elitist intellectualism would be cruel. after all, it is their only comfort in life.

Philosophy is nothing new (5.00 / 3) (#103)
by jonathanwilson on Tue Mar 18, 2003 at 10:24:47 PM EST

The Apostle Paul had quite a lot of experience with philosophers as he travelled around the Mediterranean and he had these words to say, "Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit..." While the philosophers themselves are usually well-meaning idealists who are trying to make the world a better place. It is the less well-meaning extremists who then use their empty deceits to cheat and enslave the masses. But haven't evil men twisted the words of Christ to their own advantage as well? Yes, they have. But we can't say that we weren't warned that it was going to happen. How are they able to do this? Because the masses could care less about the truth and simply long for the opiate. In Jesus' day they longed for bread and tried to forcibly make Him king after He miraculously fed the multitude. But Jesus would have none of it and started actually driving would be disciples away by preaching about taking up the cross. How can you know what is really from God and what is empty deceit? This is a pretty intelligent crowd (k5) that prides itself on knowing the score, how many of you have actually read the whole Bible? I doubt if many would admit it but most have pre-judged it without taking it on its own merits. Another way of being pretty sure is when it radically changes lives. Anything that smacks of escapism or an attempt to make you satisfied with the status quo is not what Jesus was about.

If Jesus really was resurrected... (4.50 / 6) (#108)
by tbc on Tue Mar 18, 2003 at 11:40:20 PM EST

... then Christianity isn't an opiate. It's the red pill.

But if Jesus isn't who he said he was, then Christians are "to be pitied more than all men". And, as has been discussed at K5 before, geeks should simply take their pick.

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A more rational approach (5.00 / 2) (#255)
by weirdling on Fri Mar 21, 2003 at 09:18:42 AM EST

Religion isn't 'used' by leaders to 'control' the masses.  Anyone who has ever been in a position of power knows that, at best, you can only change the rough direction of society, and, at best, you can only spend a certain percentage of the product to achieve your goals before random crowds will depose you.

Essentially, people put up with leaders until it becomes easier to depose them than put up with them.  This means that leaders must closely align with their constituents or they won't be leaders long.

In other words, the masses believe in religion, therefore the leaders must.  They may co-opt religion to achieve some of their goals, but their goals must be compatible with the religion, which is engendered by the masses, not the other way around.

That's where Marx was wrong.  The proletariat are not brainwashed to believe in religion; they want to.  And, because they believe in religion, their leaders must...

I'm not doing this again; last time no one believed it.

Truely a waste of intellectual thought... (none / 0) (#312)
by terryfunk on Tue Apr 01, 2003 at 12:39:13 AM EST

Marxism, is supremely dead. The simple reason is that it goes entirely against human nature. When dealing with numbers of people larger than 100, it breaks down completely. This is why it has utterly failed no matter where it is 'applied' on whatever level. Humans are not successful because of Marxism but in spite of it. Humans just do not respond to it, plain and simple. 'I will pretend to work and you can pretend to pay me'

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