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HOWTO: Get Your Teeth Fixed in Mexico

By localroger in Culture
Sat Dec 20, 2003 at 06:36:52 PM EST
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In the United States, major dental work can be financially ruinous. Without belaboring the lively political topic of why this is, I am here to report that it is possible for a US resident to save 75% or more on major dental work by the simple expedient of having it done in Mexico.

Inside, my story and practical details for others whose dentists may be about to give them a nasty surprise.


My Story

About a year ago I went to have my first dental checkup in nearly two years. My dentist didn't even bother to X-ray my front teeth. He hung the back X-rays up for me to see, comparing them with my two year old X-rays, and announced "if you don't have these teeth capped soon, you are going to lose them."

"And how much does that cost?" I asked. Two years before, Dr. S had tried to sell me a splint to ward off the effects of my bruxism (teeth grinding). But I couldn't figure out how this $125 implement was supposed to help and he didn't really explain it, so I passed on it.

"Seven hundred and fifteen dollars per tooth," he said with what I hope wasn't really the I-told-you-so air I seem to remember in his voice. "At a minimum, we need to cap these five, which are almost down to the nerve, immediately." To "cap" or "crown" a tooth, the dentist grinds the original dooth down to a post or cone shape, and creates a sculptured replacement tooth which is cemented to this sculpted receiving surface. I would later learn that $715 is actually a very reasonable rate in the US; I've spoken to people who paid from $850 to $1,400 for the same procedure, and to only one whose rurally located dentist charged "only" $650.

I had a once-slight underbite which was no longer slight. My top teeth were sliding down behind my lower teeth instead of meeting them, and my back teeth were all worn down to varying degrees so that the tips of my incisors nearly met the opposing gums. All in all I had seven front teeth that weren't disastrously worn -- and they were badly misaligned, as well as discolored.

What Dr. S was proposing was nearly four thousand dollars worth of work which would be little more than a stopgap measure, leaving me with the same messed up bite and at least 15 more teeth waiting to give me trouble in the future. I really couldn't see spending that much money to end up with the same problem. Getting them all pulled and having dentures made was looking like a very reasonable alternative.

It was obvious to me, even though Dr. S didn't seem interested in telling me, that what I really needed was to have all of my teeth capped at the same time so that instead of simply duplicating my messed-up condition, my bite could be elevated and corrected. I didn't know it at the time but this is a somewhat standard procedure called "full mouth rehabilitation." If Dr. S considered me a candidate for such a procedure, he probably figured I was too cheap to pony up for it -- which was at least partially true.

I mentally multiplied $715 by 28 and groaned. Either my teeth were about to become the most expensive thing I ever owned, or I was going to lose them and likely have to start wearing dentures at the age of 39.

The Idea

Some of you may remember that one of the good things that happened to me during the rollercoaster year of 2003 is that a nice person gave me a perfectly driveable 1982 Chevy van. The nice lady who gave us the van did so because she had only recently become a nice lady instead of a nice guy after her sex change operation. And the van, as she said, "just wasn't me any more." In the process of collecting this gift we heard her story, which included how she had travelled to Thailand to have both her sex reassignment and gender enhancement surgery performed, because it was so much cheaper and there was no waiting list there.

A few days after getting the news from my dentist I put the words "Dentistry" and "Thailand" into Google and my jaw hit the floor. The ceramic-over-metal caps my dentist wanted $715 for could be had for $125 at several places that would even make my appointment and plot my course of treatment over the Internet.

It was still an iffy proposition, though, what with that $3,000 round-trip airfare to consider.

Thinking of other places, I remembered that Costa Rica has one of the best medical systems anywhere and is also much cheaper than the USA. Googling "Dentistry" and "Costa Rica" revealed that I could have the services of a world-class expert who had a lot more experience than Dr. S, at $350 per tooth.

I have to admit it was the girlfriend elsewhere known as "Y" who thought of Mexico. Once again we found tales of $120 caps, and of an entire industry catering to American medical tourists. In several places along the US-Mexico border, clusters of dentists operate within convenient driving distance so that an inexpensive bus tour from Las Vegas or a trolley ride from San Diego could bring you to where this cheap care was available.

Nowhere did we find a horror story -- indeed, everything we read was very enthusiastic. We did research and began to lay plans.

Who Should Consider This?

First of all, if you live any distance from the Mexico border you should need a fair amount of work -- at least two or three caps, or bridgework or some similar work that would run a few thousand dollars at home. Depending on what you need done it is likely to take three or more trips to complete your course of treatment, and it's silly to let travel expenses eat your savings.

Second, you may want to be wary of any procedure that involves major anesthesia, such as removing impacted wisdom teeth. The drug laws make it practically impossible for a Mexican dentist to prescribe the most potent pain therapies for you; an American pharmacist can't fill the prescription, and you can't bring scheduled drugs back across the border if you fill it in Mexico. On the other hand there is also a lively cosmetic surgery business operating in the same way, doing liposuction and facelifts and similar procedures, so there may be a way to deal with this. It might involve staying in Mexico for a few days to recover; more on that below. My procedure was extensive but involved no drugs other than novacaine and antibiotic mouthwash.

Third, the work you need should not be just-invented cutting-edge stuff. Most Mexican dentists will have access to state of the art adhesives, crown and facing materials, whitening agents, and so on; but only the top tier will have lasers, computer models, and other recently introduced high-tech tools. While my procedure was extensive it was done entirely with equipment that hasn't changed much since 1950.

Finally, you should be able to take the time off of work for the travel and "slop" days you'll want to schedule in case something needs retouching. Like the travel itself, the lost work can quickly eat up your savings on a modest job that requires multiple trips.

How do you Find a Dentist?

I did not do this, but most of the people who have had dental work done in Mexico tell you to go to Tijuana or wherever it is convenient and look for a dentist. If you live in the Southwest you can probably find a tour service that will make travel arrangements for such a "dental vacation." And if you just have one tooth that needs a cap or similar minor work and you live within easy travel distance of a Mexican dental destination, it might even make sense.

I have never felt comfortable taking such an informal approach with something so expensive and important, though. I had to travel over a thousand miles and take significant time off of work, so I wanted to know what I was getting into before getting on an airplane. So I waited to find a dentist who had e-mail. This is still an unusual thing among Mexican dentists but I expect it to catch on fast. This way you can e-mail photos and X-rays, and make travel accommodations sensibly. I found Dr. T in Tijuana, which is not very close to New Orleans but makes for very convenient air transportation from just about anywhere in the US.

If anyone reading this needs work like mine done, e-mail me in private and I'll refer you to Dr. T. But if you Google for tijuana-dental you will probably find him anyway.

Once I sent him my X-rays and photos of my teeth, Dr. T confirmed my own self-diagnosis and told me about "total oral rehabilitation." He gave me several references who had had very similar work done, and indeed on my first visit he showed me a study model of another patient whose condition was nearly identical to my own.

How Long Does This Take, and How Much Does it Cost?

I had to send Dr. T my physical X-rays, since scanning them doesn't do justice to the details. Like all the dentists I contacted about this he warned me that I would probably need an unknown number of root canals in addition to 28 caps. (Depending on one's condition, bridgework and facing may also be part of the mix.)

Generally, it takes five days or so to make a cap, so you need two visits -- one to prepare your mouth, and one to install the cap. The days in between can be vacation time in your strange destination or you can go back home, whichever makes more sense.

In my case the extensiveness of the problem meant that before Dr. T could make caps, he had to make a study model of my mouth and plan a course of action. He did not use any computer models to do this -- it was all done with impressions, casts, and plaster models. He also had to verify, as I suspected from my local dentist, that I didn't need any root canals after all. Root canals greatly stretch out your treatment because it's unwise to do more than one or two at a time. They also add cost, because the root canal (extracting the diseased nerve tissue and replacing it with inert material) must be followed by inserting posts into the tooth to receive the cap. So you still have the cap, plus the posts, plus the root canal. This is why some people who have this kind of work done in the US end up spending $40,000 on their teeth.

The study model delay meant that my eight-day stay wasn't long enough to have caps made and installed, so my first visit to SoCal was almost a pure vacation -- or it would have been, if half of San Diego County hadn't burned while I was there. My advice is to plan the first trip as a short one for your dentist to inspect your condition and create a plan of attack.

Trip #2 was originally going to be to completely prepare and finish about half of my teeth, so I booked another week in San Diego. After further study, though, Dr. T decided to do everything at once; trip #2 would be all preparation, and I'd have to wear temporary (plastic) caps while my real caps were being made. In this way my bite could be corrected all at once. Alas, the airline reservations were already made so once again I spent a couple of extra days out of town.

Trip #3 was to be a short one to install the caps and perform adjustments, but by now I was used to spending a week in San Diego so I did it again. This gave me a chance to try out my new teeth at some of the great restaurants I'd discovered on trip #1.

Meanwhile, the basic cost for work which would have run at least $20,000 in the US was around $8,000. Even with all the travel and lost work I have saved between $10,000 and $20,000 by doing it this way.

How Do You Get There?

If you live in the US Southwest you have several options, but the simplest thing if you live any distance away seems to be to fly to San Diego and get the work done in Tijuana. That's what I did, so that's what I'll describe. (If you have a similar experience with another destination, please do comment on it.)

The key to using San Diego as a gateway is the Blue Line Trolley, a high-performance public transit system that goes all the way from north San Diego to the border. Having travelled the entire Blue Line scouting for hotels I can save you a lot of work and grief by telling you to stay on E street in Chula Vista:

  • You can find a hotel in the $40 to $80 a night range. A Best Western, Days Inn, and Motel 6 are located within rock-throwing distance of the E Street trolley terminal. Elsewhere the hotels are either very expensive ($120 a night and up in San Diego) or a real hike from the trolley.
  • Cab fare to and from the airport is a reasonable $25 or so. If you're adventurous you can also take the 992 bus from the airport to the America Plaza trolley stop, but it's a pain to do that with luggage.
  • At the E street trolley stop there is a tourist information center that can tell you how to get anywhere with public transit, sell you discount tickets to things like the zoo and Seaworld, and so forth.
  • The E street hotels are a manageable walk or short bus ride from a public library which offers free unfiltered Internet access. While there is a library just off one of the northern trolley stops, the Internet access is limited.
There are vending machines at the trolley terminal. You can get a one-way or round-trip pass for a few dollars based on your starting and ending destinations, or a "day tripper" that gives you unlimited riding on all the trolleys and buses for $5.00. You can also get discounted Day Trippers for two three, and four days, with four days coming in at $15.00. (You can also pay the San Diego Stupid People Tax by buying a one day round trip ticket from San Ysidro to the opposite end of the line at Mission San Diego, which they will cheerfully sell you for $6.00 -- a buck more than the unlimited use day pass. Go figure.) You can get a lot more transit information online

The trolley has no access controls. Just buy your ticket, stand on the appropriate platform for the direction you want to go, and when the trolley shows up press the button to open the door and climb aboard. They do random spot checks for tickets, and you can expect to pay a hefty fine if you game the system by riding ticketless. I've experienced four of these spot checks in the time I've spent riding.

Once you reach the border, follow the stream of humanity into the spiral ramp building to the pedestrian bridge over the border. On the ground on the other side you'll pass through two turnstiles, and find yourself at a cab stand.

Do not try to walk from the border into Tijuana. Trust me on this. My dentist e-mailed me a map and said to show it to the taxi driver, but he did not count on the fact that a lot of taxi drivers in Tijuana can't read. You need the local map yourself, but find a landmark on it. In my case the Plaza Rio shopping center was the thing every taxi driver knew, with a convenient taxi stand to catch one going back to the border, and about two blocks from my dentist. When you go through the turnstile you will be beckoned by eager taxi hawkers. Ask one of them "How much to Plaza Rio?" (or wherever your dentist is near.) Always get the price first in Tijuana. Border to Plaza Rio should be five dollars, and it's well worth it even though it's a short ride. The area around the border in Tijuana is unbelievably snarled and confusing.

On your return, tell the cabbie "to the border" and you will be dropped off at an entirely different place. Again follow the sidewalk and the drift of people to the customs station. You will have to go through a metal detector and show your ID to an immigration official. You do not need a passport, but I have one so that's what I used. At some peak periods there are long lines; if you make the mistake of taking your car there are always long lines of traffic.

While you are in the Plaza Rio area, you can shop for your one permitted bottle of cheap liquor at the Comercial Mexicana (think "Mexican Super Wal-Mart") in the Plaza Rio Mall, which is about 30% cheaper than the tourist traps in walking distance of the border. Every business in Tijuana seems to take US currency, and most are used to dealing with gringos like me whose entire Spanish vocabulary consists of "por favor," "gracias," "si," and "non." If you buy rum or tequila make sure it isn't made in Cuba -- Mexico trades with them, but the US customs people will take it from you at the border.

What Other Ways Are There?

If you have or rent a car, do not take it into Mexico. This is a Very Bad Idea for a lot of reasons. You can park at several places along the route between San Diego and Tijuana which offer bus service into Tijuana, but most of these will drop you off at a place where you will be mobbed by vendors trying to sell you stuff, and probably not very convenient to your dentist. Frankly I think you'd be better off parking at the Beyer Street trolley stop in San Ysidro and buying a round trip ticket.

There is also a bus which has stops much more convenient to the hotels along I-5 in San Ysidro, but most of the buses only offer half-hour service while the trolley offers 15 minute service most of the day. The closer you stay to the border the more expensive it is to get to your hotel from the airport, too.

The border is not a pleasant place; it's the economic version of an "edge ecology." Edges where different environments meet make for interesting animal and plant species, because you get all kinds of specialized predators and prey adaptations. If you are going to Tijuana to spend thousands of dollars on your teeth, there is a wide array of predators ranging from the over-aggressive merchant to the pickpocket who will want your money. My advice is to limit their access to you. For the same reason I advise even more strongly against staying in Tijuana itself unless you are very comfortable with the language and culture.

Even Chula Vista may be a little close for some peoples' comfort; it's a stereotypical Southern California city that has grown too fast, planted in the desert where there is no particular reason for humans to live, overpopulated with disaffected youth and poor people who struggle to pay the outrageous rents. There is a lot of evidence of gang activity. The inexpensive hotels on E street get a bit rowdy on the weekend. It was within my comfort zone but then I once lived in a similarly blighted neighborhood in New Orleans. The main thing is to use common sense and avoid looking too affluent.

How Will the Work Go?

Here is where one caveat is in order. If you expect a medical facility to be in a nice glass and concrete building with Muzak drifting from hidden speakers and a statuesque receptionist, you're going to be in for a bit of a shock. Dr. T's office was small, in a building that needed some obvious repairs that were never going to happen. The trimwork was uneven. And the receptionist doubled as his dental assistant, so she sometimes had to leave my ongoing procedure to answer the phone.

This is all, however, in keeping with the Third World philosophy of putting the money where it's needed. The equipment was all in good working order, everything was clean, and most of all I was very impressed with both the doctor's bedside manner and his skill. After examining me on my first visit he explained exactly what he was going to do, and added up how much it would cost before breaking out the novacaine.

Another item is interesting. He said that, normally, as part of an oral rehabilitation procedure that my wisdom teeth would be extracted as a hygienic measure, because they can't be capped. (Think of where they are, and the size of the tools.) I balked at this, because my wisdom teeth are one of the things my body has managed to get right. They all came in perfectly and have never presented a problem, except for their participation in the bruxism disaster. Where I'm sure an American dentist would have said "no, they need to come out," Dr. T asked a couple more questions and finally said there wasn't really any need to pull them now; if they ever become a problem I can always have them pulled. And furthermore, once the pressure is off of them because the other teeth are crowned, they'll tend to rise, making them easier to extract in the future. That settled it, and at the moment I still have my wisdom teeth.

It was clear to me that Dr. T was very experienced. He performed all aspects of my rather complicated procedure with a manner of unhurried confidence. A procedure like mine is as much an art as it is a medical procedure; working with hand tools the dentist must sculpt the living teeth into appropriate shape to receive caps, and then must create caps which are not copies of existing teeth but instead are an original sculpture which must both look good and function mechanically for eating. It may be important to note that Dr. T is not at the bottom of the Tijuana price scale; while there are dentists who will do a single cap for $120 he is not one of them. His prices run $280 to $350, and no doubt reflect his experience.

On my first visit Dr. T cleaned my teeth and took impressions; it then took him awhile to make the study model and plan my treatment. On my second visit to San Diego I made two trips to Dr. T's office, spending about 4.5 hours each time as he prepared my teeth and took more impressions. On my final trip, as I walked in he told me "yours was an especially difficult case." In addition to the grinding down my TMJ (jaw joint) had worn so that my jaw was a tiny bit to the left of where it is supposed to be. Nevertheless he felt that with a couple of caveats my new bite would be acceptable. After about 3 hours of work he announced that the caps were in, and while we would still need to adjust my occlusion I could now see how they would look.

What I saw in the mirror made me gasp. My teeth weren't just acceptable; for all intents and purposes they were perfect. Although I could see the "cheats" Dr. T had had to accept in order to make my teeth meet, they are not apparent to anyone who isn't an expert. My teeth which had never been straight or properly aligned even in my childhood now looked like the "after" image from a toothpaste commercial.

That night I ate a steak at the Stuart Anderson's in Chula Vista. (I had been planning to go downtown on the trolley and eat at Ruth's Chris, but I was just too tired.) After three weeks of eating mush and liquid food because the plastic temporaries didn't function very well, and sensing with every bite how my new teeth met properly, I think that is the single most enjoyable steak I have ever eaten.

Paying For It

The logistics of payment are pretty much the same as they are in the US. Dr. T accepts all major credit cards, and that's how I paid him. He also will arrange payment plans and accepts US dental insurance. It's worth mentioning that even if you have dental insurance, it won't cover a procedure like this in full; you will probably still save a lot of money by going to Mexico. It's worth checking with your provider.

Dr. T quoted me a price in dollars and accepted payment in dollars. This seems to be fairly standard in Tijuana. At the Comercial Mexicana, the cash registers do automatic currency conversion and they keep American change.

What Else Is There To Do?

On your recuperative and slop days in San Diego, there is plenty to do.

You can take the trolley from Chula Vista to the College Station stop, then walk up C street and catch the #7 bus (or just walk north another half-mile) to Balboa Park and the world-famous San Diego Zoo. You can easily spend a week on the attractions at Balboa Park. The zoo alone can fill a couple of days, and you won't want to miss the aerospace museum with its SR-71 Blackbird mounted on a pylon out front or the automotive museum with its actual Tucker Torpedo. I also highly recommend the Model Railroad Museum, which is much more impressive than you might guess even though it's a work in progress. There is excellent (if expensive) food both at the zoo and in the park, or you can bring your own and picnic.

You can also take the trolley to the Little Italy exit, walk to the waterfront, and explore antique ships at the Maritime Museum. If you're into steampunk the 140 year old metal sailing ship Star of India will make you swoon. And hopefully there'll be someone aboard the Berkeley who can run its triple-expansion steam engine for you to admire. You can also board the Surprise, the boat featured in the film Master and Commander which they recently acquired on loan.

Or you can take the trolley to Old Town, cross the tracks and catch the #9 bus to Seaworld and see Shamu. (Frankly I was more impressed by the penguins than the orcas, but that's just me.) Be warned, the food at Seaworld is just expensive, and you can't bring your own. You can get two small free beers from the Budweiser pavilion, though.

If you want to catch a movie, take the trolley up to the Fashion Valley stop where there is a large mall with a nice stadium-style cinema. (I made the mistake of seeing The Matrix Revolutions there.) There is also other shopping at the stops north of Fashion Valley if you want to go exploring.

Or you can just walk across the Chula Vista I-5 overpass to the parking lot for the nature center, and catch the free shuttle to the interpretive center. If you're into birdwatching you can spend a whole day or more there at Gunpowder Point, looking up shorebirds in your field guide.

You can also schedule a tour of the wineries (with samples!) or a boat trip in San Diego Bay. The tourist center in Chula Vista was amazingly helpful, right down to reminding me of the bus connections I'd need.

So how did it come out?

Since a picture is worth a thousand words, here are the ones Dr. T took of my teeth:

  • Before (warning, image may cause loss of appetite)
  • After
I have noted with interest that a lot of online brag pages for dentists show off rehabilitations that didn't come out as good as mine. I credit that partly with the fact that I got to Dr. T before there was serious root damage -- it was another dentist's warning, not pain, that sent me on this quest. But a lot of it goes to Dr. T's very high level of skill and expertise. In particular, he completely fixed my underbite. If I didn't see it in the mirror, I wouldn't have believed it to be possible. Dr. T is the very opposite of a "discount" dentist, even if his rates were unbelievably low compared to US dentists.

If you've read this far, one thing I can't stress enough is to go to the dentist once in awhile. The amount of grief a thing like this can cause increases exponentially past a certain point; catching it as early as possible is key. One dentist I talked to in Costa Rica had a patient similar to me who was flying down from Alaska once a month for five months to complete his treatment. In my case it came on suddenly late in life, due almost certainly to work related stress. According to Dr. T, my X-rays show that four years ago my teeth were in pretty good shape. Between the ages of 35 and 39 everything went to hell, and because I skipped going to the dentist for two years it went to hell more than it needed to before I realized drastic action was necessary. The occasional checkup can make the difference between minor work, a smile that can be saved with major effort such as I just did -- or dentures, and all the hassle that entails.

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HOWTO: Get Your Teeth Fixed in Mexico | 163 comments (161 topical, 2 editorial, 6 hidden)
Invitation for Comments (2.71 / 7) (#1)
by localroger on Sat Dec 20, 2003 at 12:13:46 PM EST

I realize this is a bit US-centric, but there are other destinations accessible from other places to realize similar savings. Dental work also isn't the only thing you can save on by crossing a border. If you have a story of some other border crossed to save money on health care, please share it with us, either in a comment here or another story. It's a small idea that can make a major difference for someone who is in a bind.

What will people of the future think of us? Will they say, as Roger Williams said of some of the Massachusetts Indians, that we were wolves with the min
Good for you, man (1.00 / 15) (#2)
by Single White Coder on Sat Dec 20, 2003 at 12:52:08 PM EST

It's refreshing that at least ONE PERSON around here appreciates self-improvement and the ways it can benefit your life.

Now it's time to ditch your current significant other (you can do MUCH BETTER now with the new teeth) and start meeting new people.

Good luck, bra!

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Have you been AIDS tested? (1.88 / 9) (#4)
by theElectron on Sat Dec 20, 2003 at 01:16:31 PM EST

After spending any time in Mexico (for medical treatment or otherwise), this is a must.

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Excellent story (2.83 / 6) (#8)
by skim123 on Sat Dec 20, 2003 at 02:23:20 PM EST

A first-class piece of writing, as usual.

I have a friend whose parents live in Yuma (along the border of Mexico/California/Arizona), and they both have gone into Mexico for dental work there many times without complaint or mishap.

I liked your description of Tijuana. I live in San Diego (in Pacific Beach, if you know where that is), and have gone down to Tijuana a couple of times. Like you said, do NOT drive there unless you are planning to drive past Tijuana, to someplace like Rosarito or further on down Baja. Rather, take the trolley or park on the US side of the border. Be prepared to be harassed by dozens of taxi drivers angling for your business. If you want viagra or ridalin, or any other perscription drug, you don't have to walk far before you'll see rows of buildings with big signs on them saying "VIAGRA HERE!".

As far as things to do in San Diego, get your butt north of downtown. Yes, downtown has some nice touristy areas - Sea Port Village, Little Italy, the Gaslamp District, etc. - but go up to Hillcrest for the metrosexual experience of a lifetime. Or go to the beaches at P.B. or O.B. or, heck, even La Jolla or Del Mar, or the lighthouse in Point Loma. (Of course travel to these places may be a bit difficult without a car... I guess you could take the Coaster or the bus...)

I've only been in Chula Vista a couple of times, and while there are nice areas further to the east, the Chula Vista area by the highway is especially meh. There are cheap-o hotels in Hotel Circle up in Mission Valley (about ten miles north of downtown), which are right next to the trolley line. Yes, it will increase your roundtrip time to the border by an hour or so, but you'll pay the same and there will be less shady people around you.

One final word of advise: go to the dentist regularly! Brush your teeth, floss, blah blah blah, and then you likely won't have to research dental care in a third-world nation. :-)

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I'd be wary. (2.80 / 5) (#14)
by /dev/trash on Sat Dec 20, 2003 at 04:41:59 PM EST

What if I pick a bad dentist and he messes up my teeth or whatever?  Who can I sue?  In all likelihood hed be gone after I left.

Also did you check out Canadian dentists?

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A few minor comments (2.80 / 5) (#17)
by Kasreyn on Sat Dec 20, 2003 at 04:58:43 PM EST

First off: agreed with you on your analysis of Dentists in America (hell, the entire medical profession in America is like this, not just the dental). I don't know how many times I've had quacks try to push unneccessary procedures on me. Like you, my wisdom teeth came in perfectly and have never given me even 5 minutes' worth of trouble or pain, and yet most dentists who take a look in my mouth advise me to have them out. Usually I can see the dollar signs behind their eyes, and their hand reflexively molding into money-accepting shape...

But could you please tell me a bit more about what bruxism is? I'm *guessing* it's a nervous disorder ("teeth-grinding"). If this is so: are you still doing it? Little point getting your choppers fixed if you just wear them away again. Would counselling or psychotherapy help remove the source of the problem, or is it already a thing of the past?

As to Dr. T: is this him? http://www.dental-implants-center.com/ (didn't insert as link in effort to avoid slashdotting his server...)

The bit about warning you about costs is a HUGE plus, in my opinion. Health professionals in America seem to think I'm made of money, and that price is no object where my health is concerned. They really should start teaching economics in American med schools. :-P

As to your very nice lady friend: did her gender reassignment surgery include removing / grinding down "her" adam's apple? Dead giveaway in every transvestite I've ever met, but I've heard they can do that for transgendered folks now.

Before: Yikes! Louisiana Hillbilly Attack! j/k Roger, mine are almost as bad, just without the underbite... :-)
After: Niiiiiiiice. :-D

It's been a while since I've seen a dentist, so I think I should go. Thanks for the interesting story, +1S from me.


-Kasreyn


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Hmm (2.83 / 6) (#24)
by gibichung on Sat Dec 20, 2003 at 05:40:31 PM EST

While I may have missed it, you don't seem to address the reasons *not* to have these things done in a foreign country. Maybe you should...

That said, I have had both of my front teeth crowned (about 12 years ago) as a result of an injury. I think I had chipped them at least three times previously.

It didn't go well. My dentist had intended to do both at once, but he managed to damage the second original after cementing the first one on. He ordered another from a new mould and it didn't match -- it was about twice as thick. There was a gap on the second between the crown and the gum line that I was told would "fill in" but never did. Also, in the last few years, I managed to chip the first.

So here I am with one that doesn't fit and one that's broken. I have insurance [I believe it would cost me about $30 to have them fixed] but I am tempted to just leave well enough alone. Out of curiosity, does anyone know crowns are removed?

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"No man is above the law and no man is below it; nor do we ask any man's permission when we require him to obey it." -- Theodore Roosevelt

ummm (1.57 / 7) (#27)
by modmans2ndcoming on Sat Dec 20, 2003 at 07:18:16 PM EST

why didn't you go to another dentist that did not know you and get a second opinion?

but my first thought about your case was "get them pulled and get dentures"

you have a seriously fucked up mouth that should have been fixed when you were in your teen years. trying to save them at 39 is a waste of money and time.

In Halifax Nova Scotia you can get the same done (2.88 / 9) (#33)
by xutopia on Sat Dec 20, 2003 at 08:42:25 PM EST

for even cheaper than what you paid in Mexico.

I went to the Dalhousie University Dental school a few times to get some teeth work done. The only bad thing about this is that it takes maybe 4 times the time to do an operation for them because 10 students have to each look into your mouth one after the other. The good thing is that they are supervised by really experienced dentists that explain everything in front of you so you know what is going on.

Why? (2.40 / 5) (#36)
by virtualjay222 on Sat Dec 20, 2003 at 11:27:56 PM EST

Does anyone know why it's that much cheaper outside the US for such a procedure?? Is it simply the regulations, the HMOs, or something else?

Perhaps this will help my parents understand why my dream to be a doctor will never be...

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I'm not in denial, I'm just selective about the reality I choose to accept.

-Calvin and Hobbes


Brush (1.00 / 32) (#38)
by nxor on Sun Dec 21, 2003 at 12:31:16 AM EST

Brush your fucking teeth, you stupid cock.

I just want to say (2.80 / 5) (#39)
by br14n on Sun Dec 21, 2003 at 12:51:36 AM EST

that the before and after photographs are simply amazing. We should count ourselves very fortunate to live in a time when such amazing repair work is possible. Sounds to me like money well spent. Good for you.

Comments and advice for the young and healthy (3.00 / 11) (#40)
by enkidu on Sun Dec 21, 2003 at 12:57:13 AM EST

Great story. It really is quite surprising how quickly your teeth (which when you are young feel like they're going to last forever) can go downhill. I myself lucked out, having avoided the dentist for 10 years (20-30) I went back and aside from having to have several fillings (both new and replacement), and a touch of gum disease, I was OK. I now go regularly every 6 months, just like the book says.

The advice:

  • You only get one set of adult teeth. Cherish them. Bridges and Dentures work, but are magnitudes less fulfilling than keeping your own teeth (even if they're capped).
  • Floss: I know it's a cliche and everybody says it but few seem to do it. When I started flossing, my gums bled every time and it wasn't fun. Now, I floss daily and my gums are healthier and I can feel the difference in my teeth. Once a day is enough. It only takes about a minute or two and your teeth and gums will thank you when you're sixty.
  • Get an electric toothbrush. I use Sonicare, but there are lots of alternatives. They aren't THAT expensive and do a much better and more consistent job of brushing your teeth than manual agitation can ever hope to accomplish. Think of the difference between sanding by hand and using an orbital sander.
  • Visit your dentist. Pain delayed is pain increased. I know for some this is economically difficult. Seek out alternatives, free clinics, dentist schools etc. but go at least once a year at a minimum and twice a year if at all possible.
that's it for me. I wish you happiness and healthy teeth.

Infection control (2.57 / 7) (#41)
by saqibqazi on Sun Dec 21, 2003 at 01:15:47 AM EST

I am a dentist practicing in a so called third world country. Infection control standards in most developing/under-developed countires are poorly enforced and implemented (one of the reasons treatmment is cheap). Dental treatment may be less expensive but some caution may be in order: the risk of contracting hepatitis B/C or HIV are significantly higher.

Length of daily treatments? (none / 1) (#46)
by weave on Sun Dec 21, 2003 at 08:15:39 AM EST

I've had most of my teeth capped, about half of them requiring root canals. Fortunately I was able to spread the entire treatment over about 10 years since my dental insurance had a $2,500 annual benefit cap. The dentist grinding and shaping the teeth down was a pretty long activity. I found that if I had appointments that lasted more than two hours and more than a two teeth, it was quite stressful and strenuous, even if it wasn't really painful.

How long were your appointments? Did he spend all day on you for example?

weird... (2.66 / 6) (#53)
by infinite jest on Sun Dec 21, 2003 at 09:34:27 AM EST

Every time I go to Mexico, I manage to lose a couple teeth.

You make many unsubstantiated claims (2.40 / 10) (#55)
by coward anonymous on Sun Dec 21, 2003 at 10:57:28 AM EST

You make many value judgements with very little to no substantiation, examples:

"The equipment was all in good working order, everything was clean, and most of all I was very impressed with both the doctor's bedside manner and his skill."

What do you know about Dental equipment to judge its readiness? Do you know the difference between a high-speed and a low-speed handpiece for example? What about an electrosurge?
What qualifications do you have to gauge a dentist's skill?

"It was clear to me that Dr. T was very experienced."

"Although I could see the "cheats" Dr. T had had to accept in order to make my teeth meet, they are not apparent to anyone who isn't an expert"

Making you an expert?

"But a lot of it goes to Dr. T's very high level of skill and expertise"

The problem you suffer from, as do many other people, is that you somehow believe that you can make judgement calls about dental work and dentist's skills. Judgement calls you would never make with any other medical profession and its practitioners.

"No doctor, I don't believe my brain tumor needs radical surgery. I just need Tylenol."

Beyond these subtle points it is important to note that you were lucky. You are happy with your mediocre dental work. What would you have done had you found your teeth in a more horrible mess than you started with?

long live the NHS (1.20 / 5) (#56)
by reklaw on Sun Dec 21, 2003 at 10:59:42 AM EST

I'm so glad I don't live in America.
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Halfway through I just HAD to go & brush teeth (2.50 / 4) (#58)
by laotic on Sun Dec 21, 2003 at 01:16:19 PM EST

Nice article, even though myself I'll hopefully escape the tooth-plight for some years.

The prices seem to be very high - last time I had a filling done here in Slovakia, it cost me to the tune of $7. My relative had a full bridge done for (I believe) about $400.

Laser eye correction costs about $350 and although I would have thought Romania would is on a similar price level (having been in the same camp), an earlier commenter mentions prices which seem rather high to me.

And for those on a crusade about the perception of dentistry quality: it's the end result that counts. Say what you want, the dirty east bloc/mexico/wherever outside U.S. may lag so much, yet our teeth work just as well. Anybody from Russia care to comment?

Sig? Sigh.
Congratulations. (1.69 / 13) (#60)
by Trollaxor on Sun Dec 21, 2003 at 01:59:37 PM EST

You out-clevered the system and only blew $10,000 instead of $20,000. You are vary clevar as your write-up about the experience proves, but it seems that even the clevarest of the clevar aren't perfect in every aspect of this human life. I do believe I have some small bugget of knowledge that you were painfully ignorant of and I would be remiss not to suggest something that may prevent you from having to research foreign countries and black-market doctors again.

It is a simple fact, and one that will cost less than $24 a year, which boiles down to less in your entire lifetime than you just paid for the procedure in Tijauna. Don't be offended and don't take it the wrong way; I just like helping people. Without further ado here is my sliver of wisdom that I now pass on to you:

Brush your teeth.

Thanks.

The British have the answer. (1.28 / 7) (#71)
by Phillip Asheo on Sun Dec 21, 2003 at 05:50:55 PM EST

Eschew dentistry altogether!

--
"Never say what you can grunt. Never grunt what you can wink. Never wink what you can nod, never nod what you can shrug, and don't shrug when it ain't necessary"
-Earl Long

Fixing (none / 1) (#84)
by veldmon1 on Sun Dec 21, 2003 at 08:08:30 PM EST

Thank you for the grammar fixes. No, this is not supposed to be funny.

español (2.60 / 5) (#85)
by mlc on Sun Dec 21, 2003 at 08:28:17 PM EST

The Spanish word for “no” is “no.” “Non” is French.

Which I suppose only reinforces your point that your Spanish isn't all that great. (Not that mine is super...)

--
So the Berne Convention is the ultimate arbiter of truth and morality. Is this like Catholicism? -- Eight Star

My teeth hurt! (none / 2) (#89)
by dougmc on Sun Dec 21, 2003 at 09:26:16 PM EST

I had my wisom teeth out last thursday (3.5 days ago.) I'm 35. My top wisdom teeth came out with no problems, but the bottom were underneath the jaw and required some cutting through the jaw to get them out.

For the most part they didn't give me too much grief, but one of the bottom ones was half covered with skin, and kept getting food caught in there which would then rot and get infected. Not fun.

The dentist (a US oral surgeon, suggested by my regular dentist) knocked me out, and I think I'm glad. The bill? $1700, but I think my insurance will pay most of that. When I made the appointment, they said my part would be about $300. When I got there, they said they'd charge me $300 then and would see what my insurance paid -- sending up red flags. I probably should have negotiated right there, but I just wanted it over with and said `well, you said $300. If it's more, I'll be bitching ...' and went along with it.

I've now got two oozing sores in my mouth (the top two teeth have mostly healed already), two stitches have come out and I don't know where from, and I look like a chipmunk. Advil keeps the pain away for the most part (he gave me some stronger stuff, but I don't like how it makes me feel.) As long as I don't eat I do ok (and yet I'm supposed to eat!)

I have no idea how normal this is. I'll see the dentist tomorrow and find out what he thinks about it. For now, I think it's time for more advil ...

How is this relevant? It's not. But it's a very large thing in my life right now, so ...

Guatemala, as well (none / 2) (#95)
by frijolito on Sun Dec 21, 2003 at 11:34:53 PM EST

As a Guatemalan, I'll just quickly mention that many of my gringo friends have also made the quick trip down here and saved themselves quite a bit. But they don't come here just for dental: kneecap surgery, stomach surgery, and such other stuff. The major advice I would give, is find someone in the target country who you know has expertise and can lead you to the best local doctors. Since my mom's a doctor, and has many contacts, I have become that person to my cheapskate foreign friends. And, Roger, great stuff.

Cautionary tales (2.20 / 5) (#97)
by lauraw on Mon Dec 22, 2003 at 01:35:46 AM EST

Congratulations on getting your teeth fixed. It sounds like you did your homework and found a great dentist. I've started to have some teeth-grinding problems myself, probably due to stress from starting a new job. If it's still happening when I next see my dentist, I'm going to ask about getting some sort of guard to keep it from damaging my teeth. Especially after seeing those photos.

Unfortunately, I do know of a few counterexamples where people who've gone out of the country for surgery ended up unhappy. (Dead counts as unhappy, right?) I don't think any of these stories are reasons not to do it, they're just things to think about. And as will become obvious, I have some strange friends.

Five or ten years ago, a friend of mine decided she wanted breast implants. New breast implants, actually. She had some perfectly good ones (in my opinion, anyway), but wanted them taken out and replaced with bigger ones. She had the surgery done in Tijuana, for several reasons. First, she thought silicone-filled implants were better than saline ones, and at the time she couldn't find a US surgeon who would put in silicone implants even if she signed a liability waiver. Second, the surgeon she talked to in the US didn't want to put in implants that were that big. Finally, the surgeon in Tijuana was much cheaper.

You can probably guess what happened. She went to Mexico and got the big implants, and a few months later she started having chronic pain in her torso. It got pretty bad after a year or two, so she talked to some more surgeons and the consensus was that the new implants were too large. My friend, of course, decided to have them removed and replaced with smaller ones again. To do it, she went to the same surgeon in Tijuana, mostly for the same reasons: silicone implants and cost. The second surgery went semi-ok -- she now has normal-looking breasts but she still has chronic pain. This whole mess was pretty much self-inflicted. A more, er, deliberative person would have listened to the people who told her not to do it in the first place or would have gone to the surgeon in the US who she knew and trusted and let him put in the biggest ones he thought were safe.

The second case is the strangest one. An acquaintance of mine had finally saved enough money for sex reassignment surgery after living as a woman for several years. For some reason (like being totally #$%#@ crazy and somewhat self-destructive) she decided to go to a Dr. Brown in Tijuana. He's known in the community as "Butcher" Brown, and he lived up to his name. She got more or less butchered and ended up having to have multiple procedures to fix it. The fix-up procedures were from other surgeons, though, so at least she learned that lesson.

As a side note, this is the same Dr. Brown who was later jailed for amputating the leg of a patient who was an amputee fetishist. There was no medical reason for the amputation, but the guy wanted one, so what the hell. I'm impressed by a doctor who manages to get arrested for medical malpractice in Tijuana. And no, I did not know that patient. :-)

The last case is the scariest one. I heard about it third-hand, but from a physician who I think is a reliable source. A woman from Europe came to the US to have her sex reassignment done. She flew from Europe to Portland, Oregon (a 12 hour flight?) and had the surgery done a few days later. During the recovery period, which requires two days of total bedrest and then a week or so of minimal walking, she suffered a deep venous thrombosis. The clot escaped into her bloodstream and turned into a pulmonary embolism and she died from it.

I find this one scary because the woman pretty much did everything right. She went to an extremely good surgeon, arguably the best in the world and certainly in the top 5. It can probably be categorized as one of those "shit happens" incidents. Surgery is risky. But just in case, this surgeon now requires patients to wait a longer period of time after taking long flights to have surgery and before taking long flights home. I guess the moral of this story is that if you need major surgery, distance is a factor for medical reasons and not just convenience.

Finally, another side note. I've learned first-hand that the one thing you do not want to hear a surgeon say is "That never happened before!" It's much, much worse than "Oops!"

I didn't even finish the article... (none / 2) (#98)
by reeses on Mon Dec 22, 2003 at 02:39:39 AM EST

before I went into the bathroom and flossed and brushed the bejesus out of my teeth, and cleaned my nightguard and put it on. I'm screwed, because I can tell I'm close to the dentin on one molar, but I figure I don't need to rush it. :-) Yeesh.

Did you try Canada? (none / 3) (#112)
by brunes69 on Mon Dec 22, 2003 at 11:40:20 AM EST

I see lots of mention of poorer South AMerican countries, and Thailand, but did you try comparing Canada?

I doubt it is *quite* as cheap for dental work up here as Mexico, but combined with the American dollar's higher buying power, you'd probably save at least 50%, and have the peace of mind of getting the work done in a first world country with plenty of protections against shoddy work an malpractice, things I wouldn't be nearly as confident about while getting medical procedures done in Mexico.

---There is no Spoon---

I had two wisdom teeth removed there. (1.80 / 5) (#117)
by UncannyVortex on Mon Dec 22, 2003 at 12:10:41 PM EST

A friend and I drove to Nuevo Laredo, where he took me to a dentist's office.  I had four "bony impacted" wisdom teeth that needed to be removed.

We had no appointment.  The dentist had no other patients -- he simply motioned for me to sit in the chair.  I looked around the little room -- it was not very clean or well organized, and the equipment was quite dated.  He spoke no English, so my friend talked to him for a minute.  The plan was for him to remove the upper and lower wisdom teeth on one side.  The price?  $40 per tooth.

Shortly afterward, he had a large syringe in my mouth and administered local anesthetic.  Then he got out a drill and began drilling.  He used the drill to break apart the teeth, then would reach in to remove the shards, or have me spit them out.  During the entire procedure I was seated upright, perhaps to keep pieces of tooth from going down my throat.

For a couple of months after the operation, shards of wisdom tooth kept working their way out of my gum.

Later, I had the other two wisdom teeth removed here in the states.  The price was around $550 per tooth.  Their office was clean, they used a general anesthetic, and I don't remember a thing.  There were no shards left stuck in my gums afterward, however.

Would I do such a thing again in Mexico?  40 bucks per tooth is an attractive price, and he did get the job done.  However, I'm sure that there's a greater risk of experiencing malpractice than you'd find in the states.

--UncannyVortex


Dentistry even cheaper than mexico... (1.50 / 10) (#119)
by flippy on Mon Dec 22, 2003 at 01:49:19 PM EST

I had all FOUR of my wisdom teeth pulled at the same time, FOR FREE!... Thats right, FOR FREE!...  In fact I got paid to sit in the chair.  How did I do it?  Its easy.  Join the military!  Lets see, I had free surgury to remove a mole, all the MORTIN I could swallow, and many other benefits.  

Plus You get trained to be a baby killer.  Shhhwwweeeeet!   Unless you join the reserves, then you only get to clean up after I kill the babies.

Flippy

a few questions (2.00 / 6) (#125)
by priior on Mon Dec 22, 2003 at 03:35:11 PM EST

if you needed open heart surgery or a liver transplant, would you still go to mexico to do it because "it costs less money"?

are dentists in mexico "certified" by the government? do they get inspected regularly for standards of practice?

things that bother me about the entire story:

(1) You got a full mouth rehabilitation done in 1 week!! full mouth rehabs are very delicate and could have long term consequences that might go unnoticed in the short term.

-> Do you have any form of protection if such a thing happens? (redo the work, pay for replacement, etc...)

(2) Did you get the work checked by a local dentist that u can trust? After dishing out thousands of dollars, it seems reasonable to spend another 50-100$ just to make sure the prosthetic work doesn't have any major flaws. ("pinching" of gum, hard to clean areas, bad occlusion, etc...)



i don't want to bash mexican dentistry or criticise your decision to valuate dental work purely based on its cost, since im not familiar with neither mexican dentistry nor your sense of good judgement.

i just feel the readers should be informed of the potential risks associated with getting major dental treatments done in other countries just because of financial reasons.





disclaimer: i'm a canadian dentist.
--- priior
Same for South Africa (3.00 / 3) (#138)
by Builder on Tue Dec 23, 2003 at 01:57:19 PM EST

As a South African living in London, I needed to have work done to my teeth last year. I needed the following done:

  • 2x Wisdom teeth removed
  • 2x teeth needed root canal
  • 2x crowns
  • 9x fillings
  • 6x fissure sealants

The amount quoted me was GBP2100.00. For this price I was able to get 2 return flights to .za (for my wife and myself), all of the dental work done, 2 nights accomodation in a fishing lodge, a weekend fishing on my dad's boat and a 2 week holiday.

All the work was done in 1 week, and the dentist who did the work caused me less pain than the dentist who did my checkup in London.

Bargain! :)
--
Be nice to your daemons
Why not walk? (none / 2) (#139)
by ucblockhead on Tue Dec 23, 2003 at 05:06:41 PM EST

I'm not sure why you suggest not walking across the border. When I lived in San Diego, this was the way we always did it. It was only a ten minute walk from the gate to Revolucion. You can generally do it quicker than a cab would take. The only real downside is the smell of the Tijuana river.
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This is k5. We're all tools - duxup
capitalist decadence (1.20 / 5) (#146)
by chanio on Wed Dec 24, 2003 at 10:53:25 AM EST

  • action: dentist raise value of their work without loosing to much patients.
  • reaction: affected patients get outside US economical influence area to get their job cheaper.
...

Politics apart, these are signs of a deep future economical crysis.

People aware of this should start doing something to change this tendency.

An alternative economical system where everybody that share the same ammount of working efforts could have access to the same level of benefits. This is the same description of misery but applied long before it really happens!

People might unite and save some of their daily working efforts before it is too late and regret from not paying more attention to this tendency. It happens the same with ecology. Everybody sees these contradictions but are not able to do anything to stop it because the government doesn't seem to pay attention to it.

One solution might be to create a trust system based on cooperativism. There are lots of ways of sharing the benefits in order to ensure a normal living to everyone.

Get informed!
________________
Farenheit Binman:
This worlds culture is throwing away-burning thousands of useful concepts because they don't fit in their commercial frame.
My chance of becoming intelligent!

Similar to buying prescriptions out-of-country (none / 0) (#147)
by pspinler on Wed Dec 24, 2003 at 03:02:11 PM EST

Perhaps municipalities, state governments, and insurance companies will start encouraging their employees or customers to get off-shore medical treatment as a way to save costs, similar to the manner in which several are promoting purchasing drugs. -- Pat

My father is a dentist (none / 0) (#150)
by mcrbids on Sat Dec 27, 2003 at 01:01:50 PM EST

I have a significant amount of dental work that will need to be done. The condition of my teeth is probably similar to the condition of the author's mouth prior to the dental work.

I can say that I have no desire whatsoever to spend $20,000 on my teeth, and so far, that's been my cheapest option.

I live in Northern California, so the trip is probably not so bad. I am, however, rather concerned about the quality of dental care in Tijuana. Which leads me to my last point...

My father lives in southern Cal and is a competent, but retired dentist who also did a fair amount of orthodontestry. So, I'll be enlisting his help to oversee the entire operation... I'll be looking into it!

-Ben
I kept looking around for somebody to solve the problem. Then I realized... I am somebody! -Anonymouse

Canada? (none / 0) (#151)
by Jumery on Sat Dec 27, 2003 at 01:54:02 PM EST

Anyone do any investigation on the costs to goto Canada for dental work?  They might be a good choice if you want to pay a little more for a better treatment.

grinding (none / 0) (#153)
by biguglysprawl on Mon Dec 29, 2003 at 11:50:29 AM EST

A couple years back, at my last dentist appointment, it was pointed out to me that I was showing some signs of bruxism. It wasn't too surprising, as someone I'd lived with mentioned hearing me grind away in my sleep. They wanted to fit me with a night guard for a couple hundred dollars, not covered by my insurance.

Of course, my cheapskate nature kicked in, feeling like the whole world is trying to nickle and dime me to death. I went to a sporting goods store and bought an athletic mouth guard, for maybe two bucks. I'm sure it's not as comfortable as the "real thing", and my gums feel a little odd in the morning, but I've cut the edges down to where it's tolerable. I suspect having it in my mouth reinforces the behavoir of biting down, but I imagine I'd wake in a panic if I wore something that kept my mouth open.

I've worn the guard only occasionally, when I think of it, or my teeth feel like they've been at it again. After reading this article, I've started putting it in every night. Is it the fear of losing my teeth, or of having to pay that much money? What a comment on things that I suspect it's more of question of economics than health for me.

Aw shit (none / 1) (#154)
by JayGarner on Tue Dec 30, 2003 at 11:56:44 PM EST

I had all my teeth pulled in 1999, I was worried about that Y2K thing. I got some cool jagged dentures like 'Jaws' from the Bond movies, though.

Some people go to Mexican dentists for the quality (none / 0) (#160)
by bryanth798 on Sun Oct 03, 2004 at 03:56:02 PM EST

It should not be assumed automatically that any American dentist is automatically superior to any Mexican dentist. I am reminded of Lenny Bruce's "Okay, you take Kate Smith and I'll take Lena Horne" statement, when someone suggested that any white woman was better looking than any black woman. One Mexican dentist, located in Ojinaga, Chihuahua, on the border across from Presidio, Texas, in the Texas Big Bend region, caters to mostly American patients who come to see her, not just for the prices she offers, but for the quality of her work. This is part of the reason why she has such a large case load and her practice keeps growing. It is because of the word of mouth recommendations that she gets from her patients.

The truth about dental work in Mexico! (1.12 / 8) (#161)
by qualident on Sat Nov 27, 2004 at 07:51:27 PM EST

Here is the truth about dental work in Mexico. Many dentists graduate and start a practice, and don't make money for many reasons. Poor marketing, competition, clients not paying, etc. This results in them not being able to afford the latest (expensive) supplies and equipment, and so they get stuck just getting by. Continuing education is also expensive, so many don't upgrade their skills. All of this results in Mexican dentists doing 50's dentistry in 2004.

How do I know all of this, a guy from Alberta, Canada? I have travelled to Mexico for dental work for many years. In my first visit, everything went great, except that both of my crowns came loose when I came home, and my wife's filling on her front teeth turned black.

The point is, many Mexican dentists will gladly take your money and do the work, but you may not be happy with the result.

Being the enterpreneur that I am, I saw an opportunity to make a lot of people happy, and to provide a good living for my family.

I leased a building right on the beach in Mazatlan, Mexico, built 4 dental rooms, and bought all of the latest equpment and supplies. I hired 2 English speaking dentists to work for us on commission, and opened for business. Sure, our prices are a bit higher than most dentists in Mazatlan, but in exchange we give you peace of mind, as we run our clinic like a U.S. or Canadian office.

Am I taking advantage of Mazatlan dentists by paying them on commission? Well, our dentist now makes more money with us, working the same hours, than he ever did in his own office. How about quality? Well, just last week, we had a couple come in who needed 8 crowns changed. Their work was previously done in Tijuana, and the crowns never fit properly. After 8 years of this, they decided to come to our clinic to get it done properly. We guarantee our work for 2 years.

Its very simple. You come here to save money on your dental costs, our dentist makes money, and I can provide a living for my family. The money you pay us gets distributed around Mexico, and in an indirect way, you are helping to aleviate some of the poverty in Mexico.

So, is this a big advertisement for our company? No, we do our advertising elsewhere, but after reading the some of these posts, I felt I had to tell the truth. There are safe places to go if you have thousands of dollars of dental work to get done, and you keep putting it off, and your dental health deteriorates. I urge you to visit our website, http://www.mexicandentalvacation.com and you will see that there is hope to have that smile of your dreams. It is safe and affordable. Then, make an appointment. Just that simple.


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