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What's It Like In Your Neck Of The Woods?

By nebben123 in Culture
Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 08:31:31 AM EST
Tags: Culture (all tags)
Culture

We live in a world full of different cultures and environments that just beg to be experienced. Sadly, many people never get the chance to leave their own country (or even their state/province) to see what the rest of the world has to offer.

Did you ever wonder how life halfway around the world, or even just next door, is different from yours? Here is your chance to answer the question, "What's it like in your neck of the woods?"


So what's it like where you are?

I've always wondered how life around the globe differs from life in the United States. Is it more similar than I would think, or more different than I could imagine?


Where I live

Right now, I'm living in Warner Robins, Georgia, located in the southeastern corner of the United States. This city is what we call an "Air Force Base town" because the only reason it exists is to support Robins AFB. This city has a short history, only having been in existence since the late 1940's when the base was built. (Yeah, I'm in the Air Force)

I actually have a really hard time believing that people move here for reasons other than the base, as there is absolutely no culture here at all. No museum, no arts center, no downtown area, no public transportation, no decent public park, NOTHING for a surrounding population of almost 100,000 people. Cultural and recreational opportunities are what make places unique. Warner Robins is nothing but residential areas, fast food restaurants, and chain-store commerce. There isn't even a downtown district or any common area to meet and mingle with other people. I often wonder why people stay here. Do they just not know what else is out there? Or do they just think that the standard of living is measured by how many fast food restaurants are close to home?

Do people in The South really care about their quality of life? Why is it that a lot of cities here aren't well planned, there is often little if any cultural enrichment, and environmental concerns such as recycling and conservation are slow to catch on? The only thing I've really noticed is that the Wal-Mart just keeps getting bigger.

There are a lot of places in this area that are just like Warner Robins. But there are a few places here that, although similar to Warner Robins in population and land area, are much different culturally. I lived in Murfreesboro, Tennessee (near Nashville) for 2 years and it was very culture-rich and diversified. Nice downtown area to meet people and hang out, maybe go get a few drinks, and catch a local band later on that night. People young and old wanted to have a good time and enjoy life for the most part. Murfreesboro reminds me a lot of Athens, Georgia and Chapel Hill, North Carolina which I have frequently visited. The similarity? Besides being in the southern United States, all three towns have a large university population. Does a large university population = instant culture? Are there any hip towns that don't have a large university near by?

My only experience living outside of "The South" is Burlington, Vermont in the northeastern United States (near Canada) where I really got the feeling that people care about the way they live. Burlington's downtown area is nicely planned and there are always many events and activities to participate in. The waterfront area by the lake is beautiful and kept clean, there are many trails and parks nearby where you can go mingle with others or find a nice spot to be alone. Environmentally-friendly are a citywide recycling program and an organic food co-op. All of this was in easy reach of my downtown apartment. Driving 10 minutes out of town I could be out in the middle of beautiful open countryside and mountains. Best of all, when I did have to drive around I never saw any billboard advertisements because they are outlawed. What a way to keep a place beautiful!

Do the people in your area care about quality of life? Do you live in a "Burlington" or a "Warner Robins"? Or is it entirely different? Let's hear it!


Where you live

Here are some starters:

Where do you live?

Why do you live there?

What cultural opportunities do you have?

What recreational opportunities do you have?

What do you like about it?

What do you hate about it?

What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

Would you recommend it, and why?

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

How is it different from other places you have been?

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I think Warner Robins...
o seems like a great place to live! 1%
o reminds me of where I live, unfortunately! 8%
o reminds me of where I live, awesome! 0%
o dude! get the hell out of there! 74%
o anagram: bras or winner? 16%

Votes: 62
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What's It Like In Your Neck Of The Woods? | 513 comments (504 topical, 9 editorial, 0 hidden)
This is my first story so please help! (none / 0) (#1)
by nebben123 on Wed Jul 31, 2002 at 08:46:22 PM EST

Thanks for any suggestions you may have. This is my first story but hopefully it's not too bad. I just want to find out what life is like in other places because I thought about it and I have no idea how someone's life in (say) Denmark is different from mine, or how it is the same. Hopefully we can get some good discussion going on this, and enlighten each other!

:-)

ben

Plausible Threat (1.25 / 12) (#6)
by medham on Wed Jul 31, 2002 at 09:53:52 PM EST

I'm going to troll this story up and send it back to mama.

The real 'medham' has userid 6831.

Fine, I'll bite (5.00 / 3) (#12)
by leviramsey on Wed Jul 31, 2002 at 10:57:38 PM EST

I live in a small town (<5,000 people) about 50 miles west of Boston. It has some history,as most towns in New England do. There are a few farms in town, as well as a rubber factory (where the Vibram shoe sole is manufactured), and the town is becoming something of a bedroom suburb of Worcester, Westborough, Fitchburg, and Springfield.</p>

I'm here right now on summer break from UMass. My stepfather has lived here his entire life; my mother has lived here for nearly a decade.

There's nothing as far as culture goes in the area per se, but Worcester, Amherst, and Springfield have some level of culture, and Boston is about 90 minutes away.

There are various ponds around town, some hills to bike up/down, and a ski area a couple of towns over. Not that I necessarily take advantage of these; I'm just as inclined to hack for hours on end :o)

There's a strong sense of community in the town. A large portion of the population grew up here, though that's slowly changing. It provides a good balance of semi-rural living with urban life close by.

It's not a bad place to live. Familiarity breeds contempt, so I probably would not choose to spend the rest of my life here.

You've lived in Burlington, you basically know how to live in New England. Remember this always, though: YANKEES SUCK!



I live... (5.00 / 3) (#14)
by kestrel13 on Wed Jul 31, 2002 at 11:31:01 PM EST

in Geneva, Illinois, a small city (about 25,000, I believe) an hour west of Chicago. Geneva is a mostly upper-middle class, white, commuting suburb of Chicago at this point, but it has had a pretty long (for the United States) history. It started as a mostly Swedish immigrant town on the Fox River, and has kept a lot of that heritage, from the old-fashioned downtown streets, to the annual Swedish Days festival that draws 300,000 people every summer.

The town itself does not have a whole lot of entertainment and recreational opportunities, at least for people my age (late teens, early twenties), but because it is in the middle of the Chicago suburbs there are many opportunities a little farther afield. For example, Geneva's neighboring town, Batavia, has a free Shakespeare series outdoors on an island every summer, which is quite good for being all volunteers and local actors. And of course there is always the metra train ride into Chicago for the day or weekend excursion.

The things I don't like about Geneva are its lack of diversity (there were four black students in the high school when I attended, and most of the community is white, protestant, upper middle class, and republican) and the current rampant suburban sprawl it is experiencing. When my family moved here 8 years ago, the road our neighborhood was off of had a McDonald's and a Venture, the rest was essentially cornfields. Now it is a mass of strip malls and restaurants and has a stop light every 100 feet or so, making actually driving anywhere on it nearly impossible.

My spot... (4.20 / 5) (#15)
by fink on Wed Jul 31, 2002 at 11:49:41 PM EST

... is Brisbane, Queensland, AU. I live here for a handful of reasons:
  • It's a nice "city" (1.5 million in the city itself).
  • It's where my work is.
  • It's where my university was and is.
  • I've no reason to leave, yet. I like the place, the climate, and so on.
Brisbane is a bit of a monoculture; apart from the obligatory "Chinatown", there's not much in the way of cultural diversity. There are varying restaurants (Indian, Chinese, Thai, Taiwanese, Mongolian, Italian, Mexican, and so on), and there are the occasional markets which can from time to time features wares from around the world, but by-and large I wouldn't go describing Brisbane as "cosmopolitan" just yet.

Plenty of recreational things to do - for those that like spending money, there's the obligatory theme parks down on the Gold Coast. There's national parks within a short (two-hour) drive, there's plenty of parks and walks within the city area, and of course there's the Gold and Sunshine Coasts themselves.

Things I like: the climate, the people, and my daily job.

Things I dislike: People calling Brisbane "brisvegas", among other things. And rapidly-becoming-inadequate public transport services (e.g. they stop at 11pm, and a lot of the time you're lucky to see one bus or train per hour!).

Would I recommend it? Sure. It's all-round a good town. I'm not a fan of "big" (i.e. normal-sized) cities myself, so I find Brisbane quite nice.

What would a mover need to know, in order to move here? It's been so long since I moved here (five years) that I have no idea on this one. :-)
I guess just that the transport sucks (plan in advance!), but the people are by and large friendly and helpful.

Brisbane's very different to my last place of residence (a 3,000 person town in Far North Queensland, called Tully). For a start it's slightly cooler and drier (Tully is the wettest place in Australia). The people are much the same however, as much as they'd refuse to admit it. :-)


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Where I live (4.66 / 3) (#17)
by whojgalt on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 12:46:33 AM EST

Where do you live?

Tucson, AZ, USA

Why do you live there?

The weather. I moved from Chicago just for that reason. The open space and clean air are big factors as well.

What cultural opportunities do you have?

When people say "cultural opportunities" they usually mean a bunch of crap either glorifying some pathetic aspect of primitive cultures or some form of art that no-one really likes, but pretends to so they can call themselves cultured.

That said, there is a lot of interesting stuff here, mostly historical. Tombstone is a couple of hours away, there's tons of ghost towns and old mining stuff, lots of Indian ruins as well as active pueblos, and Spanish missions, presidios, and other structures. The Indians just built a big concert theater which is attracting lots of big acts (and leaving the city-owned convention center high and dry, yay!). And of course, Mexico, which is chock full o' culture, is only an hour away.

What recreational opportunities do you have?

Mostly what is here is open space. The terrain and climate are so varied that you can drive a few hours in any direction and see almost any kind of scenery you like, except for jungles and swamps. I also frequent the Sonoran Desert Museum, which is an outdoor combination of zoo and native plant displays. I'm not into beaches, but within a five hour drive is either San Diego or some beaches in Mexico. I don't have much time for recreation, but when I do, it is usually spent trying to find some obscure dirt road I haven't been on before, or driving to some small town to spend a day seeing the sights and shopping the bookstores. I'm not in shape for hiking, but if I culd get there, I would do a lot of that.

What do you like about it?

The weather, the open space, and the lack of polution. It's mostly hot and dry, but during the monsoon season (going on right now), we get some of the most dramatic thunderstorms I've ever seen.

What do you hate about it?

The weather. When it gets hot, it really gets hot. We just set a record for consecutive 105 degree days, something like 11. It can stay above a hundred (daily highs) for a month at a time. But overall, the weather is great.

What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

the first thing you notice is the lack of green. Tucson is actually greener than I thought it would be the first time I came out here, but its still pretty brown. The next thing you notice is either the cactus or the fact that all the houses are made of dirt. Not really, but even the ones that aren't try very hard to look like they are. Nobody has lawns, except for a few crackpots. Once you've been here a few days you start to notice how poor it is, at least compared to where I come from.

Would you recommend it, and why?

I would recommend it with two caveats. Assuming you can stand the heat, if you want to move here, either have a lot of money already or have a good job lined up. It's not like you'd starve if all you can do is drive a cab (I did that for a while) but you won't get ahead either. Housing is cheaper here, especially at the high end, but food is more expensive. And since national products like cars and computers are priced for the national average, the slightly lower wages here (proportional to an overall lower cost of living) make them much more expensive. But if you can make the kind of living where you can afford to buy things from back east or California, its a fantastic place to live.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

Two things: Swamp coolers are not adequate cooling, forget what the swamp cooler salesman or your friendly rental agent tell you. They're enough to keep you from literally dying in summer, but you'll bake and sweat. They cool the house down from 105 outside to maybe 85 inside, but they jack the humidity up to like 90 percent. Second thing is, if you start to feel sluggish, or achy, or headachy, drink a quart of water right away. Mild dehydration is a real issue here, and it sneaks up on you even if you don't feel thirsty. I've had days when I just could not get going, then I slap my forhead, Duh! and drink a quart of water and I'm rearin' to go. Learn to park your car in the shade.

How is it different from other places you have been?

It's dry. It rarely snows. You drive twenty minutes any direction an there's no people anymore. Lines at fast food places and grocery stores are outrageous, things are very slow paced here. Everybody who can afford to leaves in July and August, some stores and restaurants actually close for the summer.


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Canberra... (4.00 / 4) (#18)
by ffrinch on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 12:47:13 AM EST

I live in Canberra, Australia.

As far as I know (who really pays attention to these things?) it has a population of a few hundred thousand. I'd describe it as a small city; it irks me no end when my relatives from Sydney describe it as a country town (Especially with comments like "So do you like line dancing? I hear it's very popular in country towns like Canberra..." Aaargh.).

There's a fair bit to do in Canberra. There's the usual theatres, galleries, community centres, cinemas, food places, clubs at the universities, and so on. There are festivals, and tourist attractions galore. I'm told that the nightlife isn't very exciting here, though, for people who go in for clubbing and such, and my friends frequently complain that the whole city is boring...

We really are lucky though, and it can be fun to just go around the city as a tourist - since it's the capital city, Canberra is graced with a great many cultural facilities and events, given its small population. We have, for example, the National Museum, the National Gallery, and the Australian War Memorial. The various embassies have events, and of course there are federal buildings to visit, like Parliament House, Old Parliament House, and The Mint.

I like living here, for reasons completely apart from the above tourist information. ;)

It's big enough that there are enough shops to get virtually anything you want, but it's not ultra-crowded. It was a planned city, and its oft-touted description is "The Garden City" - since it contains many parks and open spaces. It's also small enough that I can easily commute by bicycle to almost anywhere. The two universities makes for a more "intellectual" population than many other places, and the concentration of government jobs for a more politically aware one.

"Culturally", in terms of diversity, it's quite boring though. While the population is diverse, there aren't really visible signs of it - no chinatown, no areas of ethnic concentration. It's nice to see people coming out of the woodwork for the multicultural festival, though...

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Tokyo (3.66 / 3) (#19)
by Bios_Hakr on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 01:10:34 AM EST

Where do you live?
I live in Fussa, a suburb or Tokyo, Japan

Why do you live there?
Air Force.  Specifically, I manage a secure WAN.  Awesome work for a guy who never finished highschool.  And before you make some silly comment, I'm DAMN GOOD at what I do.

What cultural opportunities do you have?
Well, wild freaky sex with japanese women for starters.  Just kidding.  A few weeks ago, I went to a picnic hosted by some Japanese friends of ours.  We sampled Italian-style food that had been modified for Asian taste buds.  One word of caution, spaghetti with roe sause is AWFUL.

What recreational opportunities do you have?
Climbing Mt Fuji in the evening.  Camping out up there.  And hiking down the next day.  From what I've heard, the stars look amazing from up there.  I also look forward to trying the indoor skiing in Tokyo.

What do you like about it?
I love the food.  Sushi is great.  There is a place called "rice bowl" by the Americans.  Basicly, you get a bowl of rice with some mystery meat on top.  It really is much tastier than it sounds.

What do you hate about it?
All the damn traffic.  It can take several hours to drive 10 kilometers.  Ant to make matters worse, the public transportation is overloaded.

What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
The haze.  The sky is NEVER blue in Tokyo.  Well, maybe for a few weeks in the fall, but that's it.

Would you recommend it, and why?
I would reccomend it, but not for general touristy stuff.  If you have something specific in mind, Tokyo is great.  If you wanna do sight-seeing, go to Europe.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
Well, Japanese would be a good place to start...lol.

How is it different from other places you have been?
Most people all over the world are good.  Or at least try to be.  The more things change, the more you can see that they really are the same.

*wank*wank*wank* (5.00 / 2) (#21)
by fluffy grue on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 02:45:40 AM EST

I live in Las Cruces, NM, a town of 80,000. It has a very weird mix of economic strata - there are a few very wealthy people (mostly retirees), and a lot of low-income people. As a result, real estate is very cheap (I own my own home, even though I only make grad student wages), but there's not a whole lot in the city itself.

It also has a very strange dynamic with the university, at which I'm a graduate student in CS (ostensibly working on my PhD). Basically, most of the residents here don't want anything to do with the university and like to pretend that the university is unimportant, and yet most of the local economy rests on either the university or White Sands Missile Range.

Until recently there hasn't been much in the way of commerce here (forcing people to go to El Paso or Albuquerque in order to buy stuff), but all of the sudden a lot of big things are moving in. Sam's Club and Best Buy are both opening up within a month, and there is suddenly a lot of push for broadband. Unfortunately, the broadband isn't coming from the normal channels - our telco (Qwest) and cable (Comcast) don't see Las Cruces as a feasible market, and so Qwest only offers DSL in very small parts of town (namely the ones right by the COs, as most of the city is on DCLs and other crufty multiplexing which prevents DSL from being available), and Comcast doesn't even think it's feasible to conduct a feasibility study for the next two years. However, there are several wireless providers coming in. Someday I'll have to see if I have line-of-sight to any of them from my house.

Also, the Las Cruces Chamber of Commerce is trying to attract tech companies, using the cheap real estate as a major draw.

I'm not sure if the economy can really support the new stuff that's coming in, though. Most of the grocery stores have gone out of business, largely due to the Super Wal-Mart which went up a couple years ago. Fortunately, the novelty of it has worn off and people are back to shopping at Albertson's and Target.

One of the big construction projects right now is to make Triviz, a pleasant frontage road with a bike path, extend all the way across town. The street itself actually already does, but it's broken up at a very inconvenient spot by one of the major streets. I'll be very happy when they're done, since the break in Triviz is the only really dangerous part when I ride my bike to and from campus. (It's a very pleasant 6-mile ride, except for the break, as I have to go right by the parking lot of the Super Wal-Mart. I always almost get hit there, and it's the only place I almost get hit.)

There are also a lot of new housing developments on the East side of town. My friend Rick lives in one of them. Unfortunately, like most of the city, the streets there aren't planned out very well, and so apparently people are treating non-throughfare streets as throughfare streets, and driving very fast on them. Rick has told me that kids are often nearly getting killed because of careless drivers. But that's how the whole city is laid out; one of the most heavily-trafficed streets is Solano, which is supposed to be residential, but there's no really good non-residential street which runs through the part of town that it does. So the city eventually broke down and sort of converted Solano to a heavy traffic street, but it's still pretty obvious that it was intended to be residential. And sometimes they shut down Solano for various parades, and then the rest of the city becomes a tangled mess of traffic as people try to figure out an alternate route.

There's not much in terms of culture here. In general, medium-sized musical acts don't come here (though some very big acts do perform at NMSU), but there's several good local bands which never seem to perform, and hordes of crappy local bands which you can't get to shut up. For touristy-type culture you can go to neighboring Mesilla, one of the many cities where Billy the Kid was tried and hung, and there's a few unphenomenal museums which celebrate the farming community which NMSU was built to supplement.

And, of course, it's just a 45-minute drive to Mexico, and so NMSU freshmen are always going there to get drunk (because there's basically no drinking age there) and then they end up getting in a car accident in Mexico and then get arrested for not bribing the cops and spend a week in jail and flunk out of school. Also, something like 90% of the incoming freshmen are funded by the state lottery scholarship which doesn't allow them to defer for a year or two, so they feel like college is an extension of highschool and they really don't want to be there, so they take out their aggression on everyone else and generally make the place unpleasant for the first half of the fall semester before they all drop out.

All in all, though, I like this place. It's quiet, it's cozy, it's cheap to live here, people generally aren't in a huge rush to get anywhere, and people are generally friendly to each other, even though automobile culture keeps people from really getting to know each other. People are never afraid to talk to others, but they never really go out of their way to meet others either.


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Web Site (4.66 / 3) (#23)
by Nameless on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 03:20:36 AM EST

Anybody interested in making a web site for something like this? Using some kind of Wiki, this could be a nice resource.

peoria IL (4.00 / 2) (#25)
by godix on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 05:20:55 AM EST

Where do you live?

Peoria IL. Central IL city of about 100,000. Like many cities it's lost around 20K population to it's suburbs in the last couple decades.

Why do you live there?

Hometown. I escaped for about a year, but moved back for family reasons.

What cultural opportunities do you have?

Not many. Peoria is the world headquarters of Caterpillar Inc. and much of actual construction is done right across the river in East Peoria. Because of this the town is more orientated to blue collar workers than other towns of it's size. The major cultural attraction is that Chicago is only a two and a half hour drive away (assuming you speed).

What recreational opportunities do you have?

If you don't bowl, drink, or gamble you probably would be bored.

What do you like about it?

Leaving

What do you hate about it?

The city council. I don't pay that much attention to it, but I've noticed that any time there is a local controvesy my opinion is the exact opposite of the councils.
Small mindedness. The last two huge controvesies:  
  Naming a street after Richard Pryor (Peoria is his hometown). This caused lots of complaints because of Pryor is knowing for cursing. They eventually allowed a street to be named after him, it's in middle of the worst slums of Peoria.
  Allowing Hooters to open a restraunt on the riverfront. Believe it or not, this was a big deal. I found this funny because the Hooters location was planned to be about 6 blocks away from a strip club that has been in business for at least 20 years. Hooters eventually got permission after they threatened a lawsuit.

What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

Because of the blue collar focus, Peoria has all the bad points of a larger city (crime, slums, etc.) and few of the good points (museums, variety of entertainment, etc.)

Would you recommend it, and why?

Only move here if you have a job at Caterpillar that requires it.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

Bowling, drinking, and gambling. Knowing something about corn would be useful if you moved to the farmland surrounding Peoria.

How is it different from other places you have been?

I lived in Cary NC for a year (suburb of Raleigh). It had all the benifits of lower crime, fewer slums, etc. that suburbs have. However it's population was right around the 100K mark so it had the entertainment capabilities of a larger town. Of course Raleigh was nearby for more entertainment if I wished. I learned two things during that year:
1) Y'all is one syllable not two like TV often portrays.
2) The stereotype of southerners is often correct. They generally are nice, stubborn, slightly clueless, and still ticked about losing the Civil War. Not all are like this of course, but a lot more are than I originally thought there'd be.

Near Paris (4.50 / 2) (#27)
by Caton on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 05:49:37 AM EST

Where do you live?
Fontenay sous Bois - a Paris, France suburb.

Why do you live there?
I moved to Paris when I married a French girl. And this was a nice suburb.

What cultural opportunities do you have?
Everything you want is in Paris, 15 minutes away.

What recreational opportunities do you have?
See above.

What do you like about it?
It is the less polluted suburb around Paris.

What do you hate about it?
It's a communist city. Really.

What qualities really stand out?
Compared to other suburbs, it's very well managed. It's clean, parking is free, lots of facilities (especially for sports), low taxes and a balanced budget. There are monthly meetings of neighbourhood committees, and the inhabitants point of vue is really taken into account. If all communists had been like our mayor, the world would speak russian.

Would you recommend it, and why?
Not any more: criminality has increased a lot in the last 3/4 years. It's not dangerous yet, but when the mayor retires, it'll time to move.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
Take some driving lessons. And buy a wreck.

How is it different from other places you have been?
It's not really different from the rest of Europe. But driving in (and around) Paris is like driving in Cairo or Bombay :)



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Nice, France (southeast corner) (4.25 / 4) (#28)
by fraise on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 06:58:29 AM EST

Where do you live?
Nice, France, or the area that's better known as the French Riviera.

Why do you live there?
I first came to France in 1997 for a year as an exchange student, at the Université Lyon II (that's in Lyons). My boyfriend - we'd met a year before - was/is French, and got a job with Nokia in Helsinki, Finland. I followed him up there, where we lived for two years. We enjoyed Finland a lot, but got tired of the cold weather and started missing French food, so we decided we'd move to France. Bf being an IT person, he got a job in France's Silicon Valley, which is Sophia Antipolis, near Antibes. We found a place in Nice to be near the government offices (préfecture) and the airport. We're starting our third year here.

What cultural opportunities do you have?
That depends... there are museums, but they're not very good, apart from the Cimiez museum with old Roman ruins, and the Asian museum near the airport. There's a concert hall for classical/jazz music, but it's out of our price range. There's also a big "arena" for pop/rock music concerts, but no one interesting ever comes here. Bookstores? There's only one good privately-owned one (Librairie Privat-Sorbonne), which is unheard of for large French cities - there are usually several. There are a couple of good comics stores though.

Movie theatres - plenty, but only one that shows subtitled foreign films (vs. dubbed), and its owners are rude and irresponsible, so we don't go there anymore. (They told us that Star Wars Episode II would never come out subtitled, when in fact it did, and then showed a Japanese anime - Metropolis - with a full 10 minutes of subtitles missing during the climax. They refused to give a refund, because they knew about it - but did they tell anyone before the film? No.)

What recreational opportunities do you have?
There are lots of nice places to go hiking, and some nice ski resorts. There's only one decent pub, and no nightclubs that are worth going to. This is a city whose population is made up mostly of elderly people - ride any city bus during the off season and this becomes obvious. You will not be able to find a seat if you don't have grey hair or aren't pregnant.

What do you like about it?
Beautiful weather, markets full of fresh produce, olive oil and flowers, and nice views in areas outside of the cities.

What do you hate about it?
Hate's a strong word. I don't like the people who run the city - they're all members or ex-members of the Front National (read: right-wing, racist extremists) and the general attitude towards anyone not French is that of utter disdain. I don't mean from the people, but from the city government. The worst part is that noone seems to care - voter turnout here is among the lowest in the country, which obviously helps the powers in place since the only people who vote are all members of their party.

Summer is overcrowded with tourists - granted, there are good tourists and bad, unfortunately the reknown of this place draws some of the stupidest ones. Not that many native Niçois are much better, mind you.

What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
Good - concerning France in general, I love the public transportation (TGV, trains, buses...) and health care system. The latter has quite literally saved my life, and didn't cost me a penny. Translation: when I earn money, I do pay a small percentage in taxes for it, but even when I wasn't earning anything, I still qualified for free health care. I also like how free I feel in this country. I can't give any concrete proof of this, and goodness knows I've heard all the US arguments against this (please, please spare me :), but after nearly four years, I still feel undeniably free. More so than I ever did in the US, unfortunately. Like I said, it's a personal feeling, and though I have some good reasons, it would take me ages to go into them.

Bad - the Front National. I get real sick of the stunts these people pull to set up those of Arabic descent as being "violent". Such as, purposefully not policing poor areas (they're poor because of the racists who hand out jobs to everyone but them) and then blaming the Arabic residents when things get of hand. Southern France is the worst place for this.

Would you recommend it, and why?
Nice, no; France, yes. Lovely people when you get to know them, great food, beautiful landscapes.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
French, please.
[rant] The number one reason so many tourists think the French are rude is because these tourists make no effort to speak French, which pisses of the French people they talk to. I see it all the time here. Also keep in mind that France gets one and a half times its population in tourists every year - about 80 million (scroll down to "France the Premier tourist destination in 2000"), more than any other country in the world in sheer numbers (not percentage!). Naturally, the more touristy places have natives that get unnerved in summertime. In the US, we expect tourists to speak English - so what's wrong with other countries expecting tourists to speak their own language? It's a basic show of respect. If you make no effort, you show no respect and thus shouldn't be surprised to get little in return.
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How is it different from other places you have been?
There's a huge range of beliefs, ways of life, and landscapes. France has a large immigrant population and this shows in its people. The landscapes are amazing, I'm always surprised at how so much can fit in such a "small" country (as compared to my home country the US, that is).

I'll chime in.... (4.00 / 2) (#29)
by tweek on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 07:26:17 AM EST

since I find this much more interesting than "Who are you".

Where do you live?
Roswell, Georgia USA. It's north of Atlanta.

Why do you live there?
It's a long story but this was my only choice about 5 years back. I grew up in the state and I love it here. I could move somewhere OTHER than Roswell but the location is central to everything I need. My apartment overlooks a BEAUTIFUL river. My neighbors aren't assholes. Mornings I'm greeted by Carolina Wrens, Cardinals, the Tufted Titmouse and quite a few squirrels who think that the food is for them. Let's not forget my favorite, the chickadee.

What cultural opportunities do you have?
It's Atlanta baby! We have more people from other countries than the countries themselves. If I want a Brazillian vibe, I can check out Fogo De Chou or Carro De Boi. You name it and we've got it.

What recreational opportunities do you have?
When it's not 102 fucking degrees outside, I've been known to go to the river and watch the ducks or throw the baseball around with my girlfriend. State parks are plentiful. I just got back on Monday from a weekend in Helen, Georgia in the mountains. We spent some time at Unicoi State Park. We shopped in the village. We bought Muscadine wine at Habersham Winery. All this was a mere hour and a half drive away.

What do you like about it?
Honeysuckle. Birds. Rivers. Food.

What do you hate about it?
The #$((($(@($%$$ traffic. As was discussed on another story a month or two back, Atlanta SUCKS for traffic. During rush hour it can take 45 minutes to go 15 miles.

What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
The state really takes its parks and recreation seriously. My girlfriend works for the state DNR(Department of Natural Resources), so I know things will be taken care of if she has her way about it ;)

Would you recommend it, and why?
Because we have a thriving local music scene, international flavor and the southern charm to go with it.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
See if you can get transfered to Dobbins in Marietta. When you said Warner Robbins, I cringed because I know what it's like to live in extreme south Georgia. I lived in Warm Springs for a few years. Thinking back, I can see why I'm glad my mom got the hell out of there. You can only appreciate the Little White House (FDR's home away from home) so much!

How is it different from other places you have been?
Well I've only lived in one other state, Florida, but I've traveled to several. What I notice most about Georgia and the south in general, is how LITTLE sense the roads make. In Michigan, where my gf is from, the roads make perfect sense. It's all a grid. Here, the roads were created at the whim of a politician depending on where his land holdings were and whether or not it was zoned commercial or residential.
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Some people call me crazy but I prefer to think of myself as freelance lunatic.

y'know... it's just struck me... (none / 0) (#30)
by Jel on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 07:46:46 AM EST

... I've no idea where that phrase comes from.  Just how does one define a wood's neck, anyway?  If it really refers to a sort of clearing or narrowing in a wood, then what communities lived in pockets within the woods??  Are we really using the merry men's favourite phrase here, or what?
...lend your voices only to sounds of freedom. No longer lend your strength to that which you wish to be free from. Fill your lives with love and bravery, and we shall lead a life uncommon
- Jewel, Life Uncommon
London, England. (5.00 / 2) (#31)
by tonyenkiducx on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 07:50:50 AM EST

First off, I think(From what Ive heard), America is different from a lot of countries in respect to travelling. I suppose mostly because America is such a large and diverse country, you could spend your whole life exploring it! In europe travel is certainely important, and while countries are diverse, you wouldnt have trouble seeing all your own country before you hit your adult life.

Ohh, fantastic idea for a story BTW, should generate a LOT of comments.

Where do you live?
London, England

Why do you live there?
Partly work, but mostly for the club culture

What cultural opportunities do you have?
What dont we have?? I dont think you get much more diverse than London. Allthough its smaller than most capital cities, it is certainely built for people to have fun. Coffee shops, parks, bars, clubs and an endless amount of activities and after-work clubs exist, and there open to pretty much anyone. You dont see much racism or cultural divide in London, and when you do, its usually an amicable divide, like white people not attending a mosque in streatham(Allthough no-one would look twice if you did)
What recreational opportunities do you have?
Again, there are endless amounts. There are nearly 2000 football clubs in central london alone, and more than half of those are amateur and open to new-comers. Public gyms and "Leisure Centres" are available almost everywhere, and they offer lots of different activities for a small fee(Most are subsidised as well). Clubs are plentiful, and if you like something a little more underground, London has by far the biggest and best squat scene. There music and venue for every taste, ranging from dirty nasty acid techno nights, to nice fluffy(Read:Safe) psy trance nights. Theres a lot more, but I would end up going on for ever..

What do you like about it?
So long as you have *some* social skills, you will find friends with similair interests and places to hang out and enjoy the things you like doing. Its easy to get anywhere(See I HATE too), and accomodation is available everywhere, and is usually moderately cheap if your renting. Work is plentiful, and anyone of any nationality can find work and "bum" around London for a year or so, without needing to settle down or make and commitments to stay. But best of all, I love the sense of Londonners against the world, its like everyone here wants to prove that London is the greatest city, and while it might not be true, even ex-pat foreigners will swear alligance to London, even if there here on a dodgy visa.

What do you hate about it?
The travel. Trains/tube/bus all suck severly, and are in need of massive overhaul. Muggings are a problem in some of the dodgier areas, and there is nowhere near enough police out in the city. House prices are truly rediculous with a crappy one bedroom flat, not even in central london, costing you upwards of £150,000.

What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
Again the travel, you can get to anywhere from anywhere and you never have to walk far. There is also a nice sense of being safe in central london, there arent any bad areas in the centre like there are in other cities(Except maybe kings cross). Ohh, and the people. While people in public are a little stand-of-ish, for the most part english people are laid-back and friendly.

Would you recommend it, and why?
Id recommend trying it. I know of all the friends I've made down here(Im from Manchester originally) about 50% of them arent british, but they wouldnt consider going home unless they absolutely had to.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
How to travel, where to live and where to avoid.

How is it different from other places you have been?
90% of the people here are conservative and introverted. You wont get people in your face all the time, and will be left alone if you want to be. We are receptive to foreign people. While a lot of countries(US not included) are generally rude towards foreigners, people in London love them, and being foreign is a sure-fire way to get people talking to you.

Ohh, and people are polite.. Most of the time..

Tony.
I see a planet where love is foremost, where war is none existant. A planet of peace, and a planet of understanding. I see a planet called utopia. And I see us invading that planet, because they'd never expect it
okay, i'll bite (4.00 / 2) (#34)
by Quila on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 08:17:37 AM EST

Where do you live?

Little town outside of Worms, Germany

Why do you live there?

Worked in Mannheim, but don't like living in the city, so moved somewhere near.

What cultural opportunities do you have?

None. Less than 1 hour away from Frankfurt, which has everything, and Heidelberg, a great historical and college town. Plus nearby cities of Mannheim, Ludwigshaven and Kaiserslautern together have pretty much anything you could want.

What recreational opportunities do you have?

Locally, walking along the farm fields.

What do you like about it?

Fairly quiet, safe, 0 crime, very close schools, and good neighbors.

What do you hate about it?

A little far away from work now that I work in Heidelberg. Massive combines and tractors driving around at 11pm. Bumpy road leading into town is hell on the Elise's suspension. They need to rebuild a local bridge to free up travel options out of the town.

What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

This is a perfect place to raise kids.

Would you recommend it, and why?

Only for living, if you work somewhere else and don't mind the commute.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

German.

How is it different from other places you have been?

It's strange to have such a pastoral setting so close to industry, but you can't see the industry.

Culture in Georgia (4.50 / 4) (#37)
by wiredog on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 08:36:13 AM EST

absolutely no culture here at all

I suspect there's quite a bit of culture. Hunting, fishing, barbecues, the local high school's football team. Lots of culture. Just not any 'high' culture.

Take advantage of where you are, and broaden your horizons.

Try pecan pie, peach cobbler, and hush puppies.

Can't sleep. The clowns will get me.

Amsterdam, The Netherlands (none / 0) (#38)
by SanSeveroPrince on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 08:39:08 AM EST

Great idea for a post! I do hope sombody with the time and patience makes a website out of it; it'll make it straight to the top of my bookmarks right away.

Here's my goods to offer:

Where do you live?

Amsterdam, Holland. If you read the title, this should not come as a surprise to you :)

Why do you live there?

God. Long story. My parents moved here a while back. When faced with the choice to stay or move back to the home country, there was no doubt in my mind: PARTY ON!
Amsterdam offers a unique combination of business, amusement and cultural facilities that I have not found anywhere else. And I've been to a place or two.

What cultural opportunities do you have?

What culture are you interested in? Many people boast they live in a cultural melting pot, Amsterdam actually IS one.
There's a bit of everything, European, African, Asian and a few I don't know the names for.
You can visit parks and the proper musea, go on canal rides, and enjoy the unique Dutch architecture along the way. There's a million smaller, privately owned musea too. Some being true gems, their expositions range from sex, sex toys and torture instruments all the way to 16th century French ladies' boots.
Make no mistake however, Amsterdam is unique, even in the Netherlands. It shares little or nothing with other Dutch cities, so don't crucify me if you went to Rotterdam and you don't recognize anything I'm talking about...

What recreational opportunities do you have?

hm. I'll list the ones we don't have: NONE.

Discos, bars, pubs, stripbars, nightclubs, after hours bars.
Movie theatres, concert halls (they just finished the absolutely awesome Heineken Music Hall, which apparently boasts the best acoustics in Europe) (and the Concertgebouw apparently shares the same record but for classical music), open air cultural expositions, open vintage film projections in public parks.
Restaurants, one hundred for each different cooking, coffee shops (no, they don't really sell coffee, and if you don't know, I am not going to be the one to tell you), sex shops, shops that will sell you things you did not know existed...
Oh, and this thing they call the red light district.

Which is actually quite nice, and nowhere near as rowdy as you'd imagine. Bring your kids ;)

What do you like about it?

The cultures, the noise, the ideas flying all over the place, and the fact that 20 minutes from the city centre I live on the lakeside, with trees and ducks and stuff.. quiet and peace, to equal the beast at its core.
Amsterdam is a city open to all sorts lifestyles. You can be a drop out, or you can shoot for the stars of corporate heaven, and the city will help you. And grocery stores deliver. What else is there? :)

What do you hate about it?

People can be very cynical and cold here. You will have to fight every inch of the way for what is yours, because nobody else will look after your interests. That is why I don't plan on spending my old age here....
The constant interbreeding of cultures can give birth to some real ugly mongrels, and it can be too much on the old brains.
Crime is a problem in some areas of the city, but if you managed to get so far out of the centre, all the way into alleys with boarded doors and windows, against all common sense, and you're found dead in the morning, then the police labels it as suicide anyway.

What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

The noise, the colours. They can be intoxicating and beautiful. And obnoxious.
The different cultures.
The police are really nice.
Oh, and you can buy soft drugs legally, over here. I'd almost managed to go through the whole thing without mentioning that, hadn't I?

Would you recommend it, and why?

Definitely go there ONCE in your lifetime. Take a week off and come have a look. Who knows, you may be one of the multitudes that just decides to never leave....

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

Be open. Don't be shocked. If you're religious and faint of heart, don't bother. And I mean it, it's not an idle boast.
Most Dutch people speak at least passing English, but really appreciate it if you try and speak Dutch. It'll open many doors. Persevere, because once you win a Dutch person's respect, it'll stay that way for a long time.

How is it different from other places you have been?

It's faster, louder, brasher than anywhere else I've been. The constant mix of cultures and ideas really gives birth to unique moments you'll treasure forever.
Not much in the way of ancient history, but I am not sure that really is such an important factor. Not nowadays anyway.

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Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think


Minneapolis / St. Paul MN (Twin Cities) (none / 0) (#39)
by duxup on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 08:41:55 AM EST

I live in the Twin Cities area of MN.  

I moved here for a job during the Internet boom when I was offered a job while still in collage elsewhere.  It was an area I'd planned to move to after finishing school anyway.

Cultural opportunities abound in Minneapolis / St. Paul.  It was one of the reasons I wanted to move here.  There are piles of theaters, museums and galleries.  Not just lots of them, lots of great ones.

As for recreational opportunities there are a good amount.  People in MN tend to like the outdoors (I don't, there are bears out there).  MN gets four distinct seasons of weather so there are a plethora of outdoor recreation opportunities.

My favorite aspect of the area has to be the cultural opportunities.  I love the arts and there new things happening constantly.  The state, local municipalities, and private donors fund the arts like crazy here.  

I would say my least liked aspect of the area would be the taxes.  MN is still in the top 10 of most taxed states.  I blame this primarily on the fact that politics in MN tend to lean hard to the left.

 I don't like to recommend a place without knowing whom I'm recommending the place to, so I'm going to skip that.


Pusan, South Korea (none / 0) (#40)
by wildmage on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 08:42:33 AM EST

Funny that you ask. I've been in Korea for 45 days now and I've been keeping a daily log of my experiences here. You can check out my diary or my personal website that contains the pictures as well as the archives.

Enjoy.

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Jacob Everist
Memoirs of a Mad Scientist
Near-Earth Asteroid Mining

Central PA (none / 0) (#42)
by gr00vey on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 08:53:23 AM EST

Where you live Central Pennslyvania, smack in the middle. Why do you live there? I moved out of Philly, cause philly sucks! What cultural opportunities do you have? local festival type things, not tons... What recreational opportunities do you have? lots of woods! What do you like about it? lots of woods! What do you hate about it? to many redneck republicans What qualities really stand out? (good or bad) greta quality of life Would you recommend it, and why? no, beacause I don't want more people moving here... ;) If I were to move there, what would I really need to know? english? How is it different from other places you have been? scenic!

Near Toronto (none / 0) (#45)
by P funk on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 09:15:39 AM EST

Where do I live?

Oshawa, Ontario, Canada. A small city of 150,000 about 45 minutes east of Toronto.

Why do I live there?

Family reasons. I'm currently home for the summer from school.

What cultural opportunities do you have?

Oshawa is very much a blue-collar town. It's home to a huge GM plant as well as many supporting manufacturing companies, so the local entertainment tends to reflect this. Downtown Oshawa is a dive... but at least there is a downtown. There are plenty of bars, but the crowd tends to be older and blue-collar.

Luckily we are quite close to the Big City! Toronto is the most multicultural city in the world and if we want to do something fun (theatre, sports, clubs, whatever) then it's just an hour's drive away. Toronto is just AMAZING, I love the city, and I intend to move there when I finish school.

What recreational opportunities do you have?

Not much in Oshawa, besides parks and some small trails, but if you have a car then you can drive north into what's known as "cottage country"... a blanket term describing all of Ontario from between 45 minutes and 3 hours north of Lake Ontario. It's all forest and lakes there... there are great provincial parks with camping and boating and such. Also there are small towns that become tourist hives during the summer. A LOT of people around Toronto own summer homes ("cottages") on one of the thousands upon thousands of lakes, and they escape there each and every weekend during the summer.

What do you like about it?

Oshawa, nothing in particular. I like it because my friends and family are here.

Toronto, I love the pulse of the city! I love the fact that during the World Cup, there was a part on the streets every single day no matter who had won, because just about every nation in the world has its own little community in Toronto. I love the fact that you can go see great shows like The Lion King. I love the fact that no matter how much money you have, there are places there waiting for your business and you can have a great time.

What do you hate about it?

I hate Oshawa for being bland. We don't have a UNiversity, so when the youth graduate high school they all move away (myself included). This means if you want to have a good time and meet people your age, you have to go somewhere else.

I hate Toronto's traffic and air pollution. Smog is really bad in the summer, due to large industrial centres aroudn here ( both Canadian and American).

Also, Toronto's city council is incompetent. Municipal workers have been on strike all summer and no-body seems to know what to do about it...

Would you recommend it, and why?

I would recommmend Toronto to anyone in a second. It's a very welcoming place and there is so much happening!

All I have time to answer now. Great post!

Munich, Germany (none / 0) (#46)
by sethmir on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 09:16:30 AM EST

Where do you live?
Munich, Germany.

Why do you live there?
I originally came here to work 3 years ago, but stayed on because I like it better than where I was before.

What recreational opportunities do you have?
Cinemas, pubs, bars, beergardens, nightclubs. Cycling (there are cycle paths everywhere). There are lots of parks, including the huge "English Garden". Climbing, hiking, skiing & snowboarding in the Alps. Short holidays to Austria, Italy, Switzerland, Czech Republic, Croatia.

What do you like about it?
It's clean. The public transportation system is fantastic. There's virtually no crime. The weather is good.

What do you hate about it?
Income tax is high. Shop assistants are incredibly rude. Prices have gone up a lot since the Euro was introduced.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
Be prepared for the bureaucracy of getting a residence/work permit. Finding an apartment is quite difficult at the moment if you want to live centrally. You would probably be able to get by without German, but it would help to know it.

New Orleans, Louisiana, USA (none / 0) (#48)
by bukvich on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 09:20:01 AM EST

 Why do you live there?

moved here to take a job.

 What cultural opportunities do you have?

anything I would like, just not first class; e.g. we have an opera, but it isn't a great one.

 What recreational opportunities do you have?

it's in the middle of a swamp. If you love to fish, this is heaven. I don't. It is a fabulous city to take photographs in--old interesting buildings, a variety of interesting people, abundant wildlife.

 What do you like about it?

1.) cheap 2.) interesting

 What do you hate about it?

public education system here is a disgrace. Weather in August sucks.

 What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

bars are open 24 hours.

 Would you recommend it, and why?

pay an extended visit first; it is definitely not for everybody and some people really despise it.

 If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

watch your back.

 How is it different from other places you have been?

totally.

Melbourne, FL USA (none / 0) (#49)
by blurp on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 09:20:25 AM EST

A little background: I'm an former army brat so I've lived in two countries and seven US states (maybe ten different cities). On top of that I've visited 45 states and have been to 14 countries (North America and Europe).

Where do you live?

Now, in Melbournem, FL. East of Orlando on the Atlantic Coast.

Why do you live there?

I got a job here out of school and wanted to try living near the beach.

What cultural opportunities do you have?

No museums to speak of. There is a zoo, but its tiny. Nothing here (architecture, art scene, etc) is all that unique.

What recreational opportunities do you have?

If you like hick bars this is definitely the place to be. Strip Clubs seem to be very popular and their are lots of them. There are a few clubs, but they are really sad. Forunately Orlando is only an hour away and Miami (some of the best clubs in the US) is a mere three hours of highway driving away.
There are lots of things to do though. On the water: scubba diving, snorkling, surfing, sailing, motor boating, jet skiing, etc. The beaches are great places to spend a lazy weekend. Also there are quite a few pickup games of soccer and ultimate frisbee that welcome everyone.
Also, a few good coffee shops are around. Some bars are pretty nice and you can usually catch a couple live bands on the weekends (local stuff).

What do you like about it?

The Beach and the Water.

What do you hate about it?

Old people, way too many of them. Not as bad as some other places in Florida, but a problem all the same.

Would you recommend it, and why?

If you like the beach and a small town/hicksville atmosphere: definitely.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

How to drink, and watch out for sharks...seriously though, wear sun screen and reapply ever 1.5 hours. When a sign says "stay out of the water" for whatever reason, obey.

How is it different from other places you have been?

Very different, as the list at the beggining suggests I have a lot to compare it to. It's actually a bit less "back woods" here than many places I've been to.

Where have been your favorite places to live?

Zweibrueken, Germany. I love the culture, I love the scenery. I love how central it is to most of the rest of Europe. I miss Volksmarches (organized hikes, followed by eating and drinking) and I especially miss all the festivals (beer and wine fests, local carnivals, etc).
New York City. I didn't live there very long, but I have lots of relatives there. More culture then you can shake a stick at, and New Yorkers are just cool people.

blurp

DC (none / 0) (#50)
by sien on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 09:26:21 AM EST

Where do you live?
Washington DC ( or within 10 minutes walk of the DC line anyway )

Why do you live there?
I wanted to live in the US, and lived in crappy cities and then was determined to live somewhere great.

What cultural opportunities do you have?
Just about everything. A great range of restaurants, great museums, theatres, talks and whatever you want.

What recreational opportunities do you have?
Again, just about everything. Currently I sail in Baltimore, ride my bike around DC and swim. It's all close by.

What do you like about it?
The people here are smart and interesting and the opportunities are great.

What do you hate about it?
The city, nothing really. The stuff that annoys me is stuff about the US in general.

What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
The fact that people move here from all over the world to be here means that there are lots of interesting, smart people.

Would you recommend it, and why?
Yes, absolutely, Washington is one of the world's great cities.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
The traffic can be really bad. It's bigger than you think it is ! The DC Baltimore area is the region to consider - and it's actually the 4th largest metropolitan center in the US.

How is it different from other places you have been?
DC is the fourth capital city I have lived in or nearby. It's also the biggest city. I grew up in Canberra ( see other comments ) The big thing is how big it is and how much stuff is going on. It's great. The difference between the other capitals and this one is that it is the capital of such a huge country and more of a world centre than the others.



Ah, Caddyshack. (3.50 / 2) (#51)
by ennui on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 09:26:50 AM EST

I can never see the words "neck of the woods" without dubbing it over in my mind with "What are you doing in this nape of the woods...neck of the way...how come you're here?"

"You can get a lot more done with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone." -- Al Capone
Holstebro, Denmark, Europe, not Kansas (none / 0) (#52)
by Hektor on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 09:30:45 AM EST

Like I said, I live in Holstebro, Denmark, which is a medium sized city by danish standards, with ~31,000 inhabitants. It's in the northern part of Jutland, and you you see where it is in Jutland here.

I moved here in 2001 after having lived in Ikast for three years getting my education, when I was hired by my current employer. I spent the first 20 years in a crappy city called Hvide Sande, but I'd rather not talk about that.

Holstebro has a movie theater, museums, a royal ballet school, a music theater run by the famous (by danish standards) director Peter Shaufuss and probably lots of other stuff. We have a boxing club, swimming club, soccer club, rugby club, handball club etc, so if you don't want to be bored, you can probably find something to do.

I like Holstebro, as it's not a metropolis, reducing the amount of pollution in the air, but it's still big enough to have plenty of stuff to do; I can't say there's something I hate about Holstebro, as I haven't lived here long enough to know what to hate ... :-)

Would I recommend living here? I don't know, it depends on a couple of things. If you're a geek, it's an okay city, as we can get decent ADSL in almost the entire city (2048/512), but if you're after a lively night life with lots of night clubs and jazz, this isn't your town.

If you do decide to move here, you need to learn a couple of things:

  1. Danish. This is Denmark, and we don't like other languages.
  2. The average tax-rate is around 45%.
  3. Almost all medical treatment is free; if you have to have perscription medication, a lot of it is free, and almost all of the rest comes with rather large subsidies.
  4. Education is free, but you may expect to pay for your own books, paper and copies.
  5. A somewhat higher cost of living, but also somewhat higher pays. The minimum wage is ~8 Euros/hour, plus a 12.5% vacation bonus.
I haven't really been to that many places, so I don't think it's that different from other places I've been, except that Holstebro has a bigger number of cultural opportunities.

Sooke, BC (none / 0) (#54)
by FigBug on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 09:46:47 AM EST

Where do you live?
Sooke BC, Canada. Near Victoria BC, the very west coast on Canada.

Why do you live there?
Born there... can't move, its the best place in the world. Vancouver BC was voted best place to live in the world, everybody in Sooke thinks Sooke is much better place to live than Vancouver, so its better than the best place to live. Beat that.

What cultural opportunities do you have?
Not many, until I went to University, my mom was the only black person I knew. (except for family in other countries). I went to the whitest high school in the country... but its getting better now.

What recreational opportunities do you have?
Hiking, swimming, mountain biking, kayaking, skiing, water skiing, camping. Old growth forest is a 5 minute drive in any direction. Trees with 10' diameter trunks in my yard. Its an amazing place.

What do you like about it?
Nature everywhere and a city too. No crime, I leave the keys in my truck, as does everybody else.

What do you hate about it?
American Tourists

What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
People come from around the world to see the views on my commute to work.

Would you recommend it, and why?
Because trees are really nice, nicer than concreate. And bears and cougars are nice than gang bangers.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
A toque is a wool hat, a serviette is a napkin, you can't turn the headlights off on a canadian car, $1 and $2 are both coins and you can knock the center out of the $2 and put it back in upside down.

How is it different from other places you have been?
Only other place I lived was Vancounvr. Less crime, more trees. Less people!!! More friendly people... more pickup trucks.

Motor City (none / 0) (#56)
by superdiva on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 09:55:23 AM EST

Where do you live?

Detroit, Michigan.

Why do you live there?

For I now, I'm staying because I have a family member with a long-term illness.  But I have thought about moving to Chicago.

What cultural opportunities do you have?

Hamtramck, which is a city within Detroit limits, has a very large eastern European population with wonderful bakeries and delicatessens.

There is also a sizable Middle East population on the east side and a Hispanic community downriver (Mexicantown).

Canada is on the other side of the river, and I usually take advantage of the favorable exchange rate to shop.  But, I also love the cultural events in Windsor.

What recreational opportunities do you have?

I live almost in the center of the city, and, believe or not, it's a very nice area with a nearby park and plenty of sidewalk to jog or rollerblade.  I'm not too far from the cultural district to see a concert or the stadiums for sporting events.  There's a lot of new urban development that's giving downtown some excitement.

What do you like about it?

I meet people from different walks of life every single day.  I love city life vs. the cookie cutter landscape of the suburbs.  Also, my rent is very cheap.  I pay $470 for a 700-800 sq ft. apartment with 2 bedrooms.  There are a lot of historic homes and buildings in my area that I hope big-money development won't squash out.


What do you hate about it?

Economic development is still anemic.  Most of the stores in the area close at 9:00 p.m.  It's tough for businesses to stay in the city.

My city is still racially segregated: blacks in the city, whites in the suburb.  But there are young white professionals and bohemians who are moving back.  The tenants in my building are roughly 50%/50% white/black with a couple other nationalities.  

I don't like having gambling in my city.

My city finally seems to be living down the murder-riot reputation that's loomed over it in past decades.

What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

My city is definitely blue-collar with a lot of history.  We're also really huge sports town now that we've had new stadiums built.   But most important, the music scene is like nothing else in the country.  You can find any type of music in any club or venue if you look for it.  Every year, in the summer near the river, my city sponsors festivals for jazz, electronica, and country-western music.  

Would you recommend it, and why?

Not sure.  We don't have any metropolitan transportation outside of buses.  The political scene sucks.  It depends on what you're looking for.  If someone was looking for new-wave urban living, I would say my city would be the place.
Detroit is the old-fashioned Converse All-Star sneaker in a world of flashy Nikes and Reeboks.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

You'll need to have a car and make sure you have reasonable safeguards like secure parking or a garage.  Public transportation sucks.  Finding a great place to live is no problem.

How is it different from other places you have been?

At first glance, my city doesn't seems to offer much but the people are very unique and really care about each other.  We have strong communities of people everywhere.
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Answer and reverse (none / 0) (#57)
by CaptJay on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 09:59:28 AM EST

My answers are below, but since we're on the subject: I'm a software developer considering going to work in Germany for a time, but I've never been there. Wo sollte ich gehen? What can I expect of culture there?

Now for the answers:

Where do you live?

Quebec City, Canada

Why do you live there?

Uhm, I was kinda born here =)

What cultural opportunities do you have?

I think it's hard for someone who's always lived in a culture to point out what's insterresting about it, but I'll try. We have pretty good local music festivals and fireworks competitions. You also have what you'd expect in just about any north-american city, but Quebec being one of the oldest cities on this continent, there's a historical setting here that is very interresting. There are many restaurants that specialize in foreign cuisine, most of which have a very good reputation.

What recreational opportunities do you have?

Quebec is a huge place for folks who love nature and outside sports. Skiing and other winter sports are good, and we still have a couple months of summer each year. Most people I know who visited Quebec from Europe or the US loved it in the winter though, because we get ALOT of snow.

What do you like about it?

Quebecers are an easy going kind of people, more open to difference in my opinion than the more conservative English-Canadian culture. I love the fact that you can easily get away from civilization about 50 km away from the city, the forests are amazing. The city itself is friendly and just not too big (about 500,000 people), but still big enough to have everything you need. I love the way the city looks, not much tall buildings and many trees.

What do you hate about it?

I hate the Quebec vs the rest of Canada fights, they're pointless. Public transport is also not very good in the city.

Would you recommand it, and why?

Yes, I think Quebec is an easy place to live in, quite cosmopolitan already (mostly foreign students). It has something for all tastes.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

You could survive knowing English, most Quebecers understand it to some degree, but I would highly suggest French as a prerequisite. For one, it is (by law) the only language used in offices, and it allows you to blend in better. Addressing someone in English and demanding to be answered in English can be seen as rude, too. However, if learned French anywhere else, brace yourself for Quebec's accent and don't worry if you seem to hear misplaced church words. ;)

Oh, and don't call anyone frogs.

Boston's North Shore isn't too bad (none / 0) (#60)
by the original jht on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 10:04:32 AM EST

I live in Salem, MA - about 15 miles north of Boston.  It's a mixed-collar city of about 40,000 people located on the water.  I grew up in a fairly ritzy town in Fairfield County, CT, and moved to Boston for college.  I stayed in Boston after leaving school, and wound up in Salem when my girlfriend (who had moved there a while earlier) and I were trying to decide where we wanted to live.  We were leaning towards my place in the Fenway, when her car got broken into one more time than we had the patience to stand.  So we picked Salem - and after living in apartments for a couple of years (and getting married) we decided we liked it here enough to buy a house.  That was 9 years ago.

As far as why we live here, it's a nice town where people are friendlier than you'll find in the larger cities, but folks still mind their own business.  It has a very nice park system (we have a big park just down the road from us where we take our infant for strolls regularly), woodland, a nice public golf course, plenty of restaurants, and a nice waterfront area.  Taxes are reasonably low, and between small local businesses and big box retailers you don't have to leave town to service your basic needs.  We also have a very good hospital and an excellent public library.

Culturally speaking, we have a small but thriving coffeehouse scene that's fueled by Salem State College here in town.  There's a lot of students.  We have a few bars and nightclubs, and a first-rate maritime museum (the Peabody Essex Museum) that's in the middle of a major expansion.  Tourism is huge here, especially in the fall with the Halloween rush.  We also have some small-town elements as well - there's a hoky Heritage Days week in early August that's capped with a big parade (it goes right by our house), we have a lot of greasy spoon-type breakfast places where people gossip, and we've got the Salem Willows, and old-fashioned amusement park/arcade area that has a wooden carousel, mini golf, some kiddie rides, and a plethora of fried food and skee-ball (as well as the universe's best popcorn and taffy from EW Hobbs).

What I like about Salem is that I have all the amenities of a larger city either in or near town.  I really love the older victorian houses (of which we own one) that are common here.

What sucks here is that the city is not very accessible.  We have very good commuter rail to Boston, but as far as roadways go there is no highway directly touching us.  The closest are Routes 128, 95, and 1 - and it's a haul in over congested local roads to get here.  Luckily I work here in town.  It also can be real difficult to get around during the frenzy the week or so leading up to Halloween.

I'd suggest it as a nice option to anyone who works in Boston or on the North Shore.  The aforementioned commuter rail is very good, and the traffic is manageable if not great.  Housing costs are lower than in some of the other communities in the area, and you don't really have to give up that much of what you'd get in a big city.

If you lived here, you'd need to know that nothing gets done very fast in government here.  Which can be a pain.  We have a large Latino population, which makes the scene a little more interesting (there's a nice Dominican restaurant and a couple of bodegas), but a lot of that population is crammed into a fairly hardscrabble neighborhood with the drug and crime issues that often crop up in inner cities.  Ours is confined to a few square blocks, but it's still an issue.  You should also go to Simard's for haircuts, and get your lunches at a Taste of Thyme (IMHO).  We don't have much in the way of beaches, but Marblehead has a very nice one close by.

Salem differs from most of the other places I've lived in that it's much more of a melting pot.  That's really neat.  Not too many places can give you city-esque amenities with the relatively low population density of a town, and it's good to find a place like that.
- -Josh Turiel
"Someday we'll all look back at this and laugh..."

Canary Islands (none / 0) (#61)
by elsorro on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 10:06:51 AM EST

Where do you live?

Gran Canaria, Canary Islands, NW of Africa

Why do you live there?
I was born here

What cultural opportunities do you have?
Plenty but nothing compared to any european
capital. We have plety of movie theaters, some
theaters, an International Classical Music
Festival, a Philarmonic Orquestra, an
opera teather with a annual opera season...
Also many rock and pop concerts are held all
year long, mostly spanishs acts... not too many
international acts

What recreational opportunities do you have?

Plenty too. Since its an island yo have plenty
of beaches to spend all day. ALso you have a
great but dry countryside. The island is
volcanic and it has the shape of a cone, full
of canyons.

What do you like about it?

We have over 300 days of sunshine here and
temperatures are around 70-80 all year long.
Mayor climate hazards, such as hurricanes,
tornadoes or earthquakes are non-existent. This
is rather pleasent

What do you hate about it?
We have virtually no seasons, so it may bore
some people but once you get used to it its
very nice.

What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

It seems that because of the climate and
the atmospheric pleassure people become
"aplatanadas", meaning that the rithm of life
is pretty slow and can get on foreigners
nerves. I have seen turists getting angry at
this fact, since most people here are never in
a hurry.

Would you recommend it, and why?

Yes, it you want an slow paced life with
some cultural and social life

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

Taxes are lower that in Mainland Europe
since we are so far away. Inflation its quite
high even with those taxes discounts, ranking
high almost everytime in Spains inflation index
per location

Berlin, Germany (4.00 / 3) (#65)
by trailside on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 10:17:21 AM EST

Where do you live?

Berlin in Germany. I live in the district of Kreuzberg.

Why do you live there?

I moved here to be with my girlfriend, we've since split up, but I have no desire yet to move back to the UK.

What cultural opportunities do you have?

Lots. There's something to suit everyone's taste. The cinemas are excellent, you can seen the latest Hollywood releases in original version, my excursion last night was to a Bollywood movie.

There's great museums, which are free on the first Sunday of every month. If you're interested in history, a walk around Berlin is fascinating.

In the summer there's street parties and parades, the Love Parade being the most famous, but Christopher Street Day is more fun, in my opinion.

What recreational opportunities do you have?

Berlin is pretty much surrounded by lakes and forests. A short trip (30 minutes from where I live) by local train (S-Bahn) gets you out into easy (i.e. flat) mountain biking territory, or for a dip in a lake. Sailing is popular on the bigger lakes.

What do you like about it?

I like the sense of history in certain areas. Walking down Karl-Marx-Allee, a trip to the Reichstag, cycling along the East Side Gallery I like how you can sit in a quiet little cafe all evening chatting with friends, or spend the night in a cool club and getting home when the sun comes up. The "breakfast culture". People regularly get together with friends for a nice breakfast at someone's house or to a nearby cafe.

What do you hate about it?

Not much. I can't point to anything that really bothers me, apart from the usual big city stuff, but that's the price you pay for all the good stuff. Some pavements a covered in dogshit, especially, it seems, in the former East Berlin.

What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

Shop assistants can be incredibly rude, but that seems to be getting better.

Would you recommend it, and why?

I would heartily recommend it. I had never lived outside of Ireland or the UK until I came here, and if you're looking for a multicultural, exciting and all-round fun city, you should try Berlin.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

A bit of German. You can manage without very much at all, but you'll have a much more enjoyable time if you can have at least a basic conversation.

Expect the usual German bureaucracy, but don't be worried about it.

How is it different from other places you have been?

I used to live in Plymouth, UK before coming here. Plymouth is a small city, the pace of life is slower, it's by the sea (which I miss), it's next to Dartmoor, which I loved mountain biking on, but it lacks the diversity of a big city like Berlin.



Cheltenham, UK (4.00 / 1) (#67)
by bowdie on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 10:20:08 AM EST

Where do you live?

I live in Cheltenham, Gloucestershire - UK

Why do you live there?

I was born here, my work, family, friends are all here.

What cultural opportunities do you have?

Pretty good, 1 Museum, 1 movie theatre, 3 theaters, lots of live music, and the best gardens and parks in England.

What recreational opportunities do you have?

See above, the council are even building a skate park, so it's all good.

What do you like about it?

I love Cheltenham, drive for 15 minutes in any direction and you're in deep country. It's clean, reasonably tidy, the people are (mostly) nice, and the food + drink is good.

What do you hate about it?

Boy racers (I think you call them "rice boys" in the US), horse racing track (I don't approve)

What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

It's lovely, there are many parks, and they're great. The buildings are nice too.

Would you recommend it, and why?

I sure would. Come live in the UK's third nuclear target! We have GCHQ here! Bring your tin foil hat!

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

Don't buy a house in Whaddon, St.Marks, or St. Pauls.

interesting thing (2.27 / 18) (#68)
by boxed on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 10:21:04 AM EST

I'm always fascinated by the small signs of USian arrogance. The author of this story set the tone right by clearly stating what country he was from, but despite this obvious hint, people from the US don't seem to be writing country, they just write city and maybe state.

Oh, and by the way, for you USians out there: no one except Americans (probably only USians at that) know the totally illogical two-letter acronyms for your states.

Pittsburgh, PA (4.00 / 2) (#69)
by JChen on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 10:21:37 AM EST

Where do you live?

The city of Pittsburgh, PA, USA

Why do you live there?

Because my parents moved here from China when I was six, and stayed here.

What cultural opportunities do you have?

The black community is pretty active. We also have large sections of Italians, Jews, and various others of European descent from the steel mill era (Pittsburgh was the big ass steel town). We also have two large universities (University of Pittsburgh and Carnegie Mellon University), as well as a lot of small, regional colleges (Duquesne, Point Park), so there's a lot of minorities milling about from all over the world

Demographics are roughly the farther you live away from downtown, the higher you are on the class ladder.

What recreational opportunities do you have?

We have Schenley Park and Frick Park inside city limits. Both are large and heavily wooded, and Frick park has some of the best trails in the region. Both are named after benefactors of the steel industry, who located them outside of the steel mills region to provide natrual havens for the upper classes. The city also sponsors various activities throughout the year, from Christmas caroling in the winter to the Great Race marathon and Great Ride bike tour in the summer.

Tons of malls in the Greater Pittsburgh area, three (yes, 3) large amusement parks in the immediate area (Kennywood, Idlewild, Sandcastle).

What do you like about it?

Clean compared to many other cities. Lots of resturants, excellent park facilities. Almost no ethnic tension despite the myriad of ethnic groups in the city. Awesome cultural events. Low pollution due to intense city reforms from the steel mill era.

What do you hate about it?

University streets can get pretty rowdy at night. Crime rate higher in the ghettos.

What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

Great culture, good transportation system. Also known as the city of bridges; bordered by three rivers. All three sports teams share the same colors of black and gold/yellow: Pirates (baseball), Steelers (American football), and Penguins (hockey).

Would you recommend it, and why?

Highly. Great culture, great transportation. No matter what your goal is, Pittsburgh has the qualities of a large metropolis with the convience of a medium-sized city.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

Don't cheer for the Cleveland Browns (archrivals of the Steelers): you'll get lynched. "Pittsburghese", spoken by latter-generations of steel mill immigrants, can sometimes be confusing. For example, "yinz" means "you" (plural).

How is it different from other places you have been?

The traffic is pretty good compared to many other cities, and the pollution levels are low since the death of the steel mills. Excellent public transportation system, and relatively low crime rates. Lots of culture, lots of fun!

Let us do as we say.

Richardson, TX USA (none / 0) (#72)
by lanmaniac on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 10:36:40 AM EST

Well, just for kicks I thought I'd post a little bit on this crazy area of the world. Where do you live?

Richardson, TX , a suburb of Dallas on the northern side. South of Plano and in between Dallas and Garland ( I think? )

Why do you live there?

I'm currently attending the University of Texas at Dallas, a medium size university specializing in computer science/engineering. Originally planned on perhaps getting a job up here in the Telecom Corridor.

What cultural opportunities?

Well. I'm not sure what to say there. In Richardson there are a lot of Indians, Pakistanis, and Chinese ( international students ). Lots of good eats in the way of Chinese, Vietnamese, and Indian food. A few Japanese resturants and lots of Tex-Mex to be had ( it's Tejas!).

What recreational opportunities?

Lots of lakes in the DFW area for fishing and whatnot, museums in dallas, clubs down in Deep Ellum area and near Lower Greenville. We have a Symphony and I think there is probably an Opera House around here.

What do you like about it?

Well, they are working on public transport, we have a new light rail system that can get you downtown from the suburbs. It's Texas, and I have spent most of my life around here, so I'm used to the people, culture, way of life. How many other states do you know of where people are so outspoken about their state?

What do you hate about it?

The bible belt is a horrible place. I mean c'mon, the Southern Baptist Convention is held around here. Plano is suburban hell, everything you've seen in suburbs but probably a bit more extreme. Traffic is really bad most of the week.

What qualities really stand out?

DFW area, which essentially turns this into a huge metropolis but with many interlocking cities between and around the two large cities ( dallas / ft. worth ). As a result you can drive about an hour and be in a radically different city. Ft. Worth is a pretty different place.

Would you reccommend it, and why?

I plan on moving after college, because I want to get out of Texas for a few years at least. If you don't like suburban sprawl on a sickening level, stay away. The people are pretty nice here, but I'm kinda tired of the conservative nature of the politics here.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

You have to have a car if you want to be able to get around. You must realize traffic is horrible. The highway system was drawn out by a kindergartener on crank. Stay away from downtown during the week if you can.

How is it different from other places you have been?

I grew up in Houston, and this is a drier climate and less polluted. Less public transport than most cities of it's size, so get a car.

&nbsp I hope this helps

Shelby Township, Michigan (none / 0) (#73)
by c0nsumer on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 10:40:51 AM EST

Where do you live?
Shelby Township, MI

Why do you live there?
Bought my grandmother's condo from the estate after she passed away. It's also near family and current friends.

What cultural opportunities do you have?
Not many right by my place, but there are plenty of urban areas not too far away. Detroit is about 45 minutes away, Royal Oak is 30 minutes away, Cleveland is two hours.

What recreational opportunities do you have?
Metroparks, Township Parks, etc. Michigan has lots of lakes and parks and trails.

What do you like about it?
This area is right in the middle of pretty much everything. There are rural woodsy areas a few miles north, mixed cultural areas (mostly asian, middle eastern, and south/east european) a few miles south west of here.
Canada is also not more than an hour away.

What do you hate about it?
Everything that I do for entertainment is a bit of a drive. Right near my place there's only corporate shopping, fast food, etc. Nothing independant or even remotely 'underground' near by.

What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
The Detroit area (and Michigan in general) is very diverse. While there aren't any amazig cultural centers, you can find almost anything you want within a hour (or so) drive. Interstate highways are very accessable, making it easy to get from this area to anywhere else in the country.

Would you recommend it, and why?
All in all, yes. It's a nice, comfortable place to live. Traffic isn't so bad, there is convienant grocery shopping (organic and standard), and it's generally quiet.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
Nothing too much... It's a pretty standard area with easy to learn roads.

How is it different from other places you have been?
The Detroit area is the land of urban sprawl. I've never been to an area where the urban areas just keep going and going. Like one would expect, the outside ring is the most upscale with the center of the area (Detroit itself) being rather broken down. Fortunately the core of Detroit is coming back, but there is still a lot of work to be done. Namely, public transportation. There is essentially no public transportation here. At all.

Newport News Virginia, USA (none / 0) (#74)
by n8f8 on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 10:42:40 AM EST

Where do you live?
Newport news, Virginia USA
Why do you live there?
Came here in 1990 while serving in the US Navy. Loved the local activities from the beaches to Bush Gardens and Colonial Williamsburg. I love computer programming and there are a lot of high-tech jobs.
What cultural opportunities do you have?
Newport News has lots of great museums including the Virginia War Museum and the Mariner Museum. Some of the best maritime museums in the world. Across the river they play bluegrass at a gas station and during the summer you can go to pig pickins almost every week. Downtown Hampton has Jazz and pop festivals.
What recreational opportunities do you have?
Bush Gardens, Colonial Williamsburg, Yorktown, Virginia Beach, Outer Banks, public and private campgrounds, Richmond NASCAR raceway, Eastern Shore camping, blah blah blah...
What do you like about it?
High tech jobs.
What do you hate about it?
Traffic is really bad. Gets too cold in the Winter for me.
What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
Bad:traffic. Good: recreation activities.
Would you recommend it, and why?
Yes, good place to live and work. If someone was moving here I would suggest livng in an outlying area and commuting. York, Isle of Wight, Chesapeake are all good areas.
If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
Traffic sucks, especiall on Thursdays. This is a military area. Don't be afraid to go to the local activities. Almost everyone here grew up someplace else.
How is it different from other places you have been?
Lots to do. Very high tech. People are friendly and not snobby.


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Sydney, Australia (none / 0) (#75)
by danny on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 10:42:57 AM EST

I was born in Sydney, and have never really lived anywhere else, but I've travelled a bit so I can compare it to other cities... though I make no bones about being biased!

With 4 million people, Sydney has pretty much the full range of cultural, etc. opportunities - a decent symphony orchestra, ballet, opera, major sporting fixtures (if you're into that), and so forth. More unusually, it has an excellent "green belt" some 40 to 60km out - a near continuous belt of national parks, protected water catchment, state forests, etc. - which provide great bushwalking (hiking) opportunities.

Perhaps the outstanding feature is the food: in quality, variety, and price I reckon it is unmatched anywhere in the world. (Sydney is by far the most popular destination for migrants to Australia, so we have large Greek, Italian, Chinese, Vietnamese, Indian, etc. etc. populations.) There's also a good range of bookshops (though not as good as London's).

One major problem is transport - Sydney sprawls and is geographically immense (70km from Bondi to Emu Plains, 50+ from Waterfall to Brooklyn), as big as some cities twice its size. The public transport isn't as good as most similar sized European cities (though I think better than many US ones). Another problem is the insane growth in house prices (not quite in London's league absolutely, but compared to average salaries possibly worse).

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

If you come from the UK, US, Canada, etc. then you probably wouldn't need to know much.

Danny.
[900 book reviews and other stuff]

The west country of Engerland (3.00 / 1) (#76)
by duncanp on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 10:44:06 AM EST

Where do you live?

Bristol UK ( I have actually just moved to Chepstow in Wales which is just across the river and a little cheaper, but I still consider myself as living in Bristol)

Why do you live there?

It is a place where I feel comfortable. There are loads of parks, trees and hills and the people for the most part are very friendly. The pace of life is very relaxe.

What cultural opportunities do you have?

Bristol is applying to be the cutural capital of europe for 2008. It stands a good chance too. There are many cinemas, (multiplex and arthouse) and loads of music venues. There are some very nice small galleries here too if you can hunt them down. The Bristol old-vic is one of the most respected theatres in the country where many British actors such as Kenneth Brannagh and Patrick Stewart started out their acting careers. Also, many famous bands have hailed from Bristol such as Portishead, Massive Attack, Tricky, Roni Size, and of course, Adge Cutler and the Wurzels.

What recreational opportunities do you have?

Sports facilities in Bristol are adequate, but not stunning. I am however, a keen mountain biker and on the doorstep are the hills of Leigh woods, the mendips, the quantocks, the cotswolds, the forest of dean and the black mountains. The docks provide a large (but dirty!) area for all kinds of watersports.

What do you like about it?

I like the atmosphere of the city and the people. I especially enjoy the greenery of this very country city. There are always many good nights out to be had.

What do you hate about it?

The traffic problems here are appalling. The city often grid-locks at rush hour and the council solutions are to turn traffic lanes into bus lanes without improving the bus service, making matters worse. Parts of the city are not kept very clean and many of the residents do not look after their environment well. Also, the house prices are rising very quickly making it difficult to afford to buy here. This is driving many of the locals out of the centre gradually and moving the yuppies in to converted dockside appartments and in turn causing a widespread increase in dull, faceless and expensive wine bars.

What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

Bristol is an hour and a half drive from London one way and the same distance to the beaches of Devon and Cornwall in the other direction. As a country boy who enjoys the city, I think it is a great place to live!

Would you recommend it, and why?

Yes. Some people miss the hussle and bustle of bigger cities like London or Brimingham, but Bristol is a much more pleasant place to live. I know many people who have moved here from other cities and never talk of leaving. In fact I lived in London for 2 years and craved to come back to this area.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

Learn how to understand the Bristol accent. Phrases such as "Alright my Babber" ("Hello dear")and "I got an ideal" ("I have an idea"). A wurzels record can be a useful learning tool. Tractor driving skills are optional.




er, did that make sense?

duncan
Live there, and if you're a student... (4.00 / 1) (#77)
by DodgyGeezer on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 10:44:37 AM EST

By far the most rewarding way of travelling is to go and live there.  This allows you to get a better feeling for a place, and a deeper understanding of the culture, and even make some really good friends (hopefully for life).  For me this started at the age of five when in 1980 my dad got posted to RAF Akrotiri in Cyprus.  What great memories, although hear nice seaside places like Paphos have since been ruined by British package holidays.

For young people, student exchanges and working holidays are the way to go.

Student exchange: at 17 I decided that my university of choice *had* to offer a foreign exchange programme as part of the course.  As I'm exceeding poor at foreign languages, this meant finding somewhere that would send me to an English speaking part of the world.  I ended up spending a year in Ottawa: what a great city!  The real bonus to this is that it is far far cheaper than studying a whole degree overseas.  The people on the exchange programme continued paying their fees/etc at there home university, so we weren't slapped up with the ridiculous rates that foreign students get charged.  It's also good as if it doesn't work out, you're only there for a year, not 3 or 4.

Student working holiday: many countries have student working holiday programmes.  In the UK this is BUNAC, in Canada it is SWAP.  This is an exchange system so I can say with authority that the USA and Australia also have similar programmes (sorry, I can't remember which other countries BUNAC offered exchanges with).  For my future wife, this meant she came and lived in Britain for a year, travelling and working wherever she felt like.  For me (as a graduate, I had to travel very soon after completion of my course), I came to Canada.  They gave me an employment authorisation visa which allowed me to work almost anywhere, which is funny, as those visa are normally only valid for work with the sponsoring company.  Thus, you have far more freedom on these programmes than any other option later in life, other than immigration, which can be costly, time-consuming, a lot of effort, and perhaps not even an option.  BTW: after 7 months I ended up in Denver on an H1b, but that's another story.

Austin, TX (4.33 / 6) (#78)
by blixco on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 10:47:15 AM EST

Wonder how many austin posts there'll be?

Where do you live?
Austin, USA

Why do you live there?
Wife goes to UT getting her PhD in neuropharmacology. I followed her to Worcester, MA (WPI) first, and now Austin. I make money, she learns things.

What cultural opportunities do you have?
This is the live music capital of the world, supposedly. And yes, there's tons of live music, some of it in historic places. There's Willie, et. al. There's Stevie Ray and his brother. There's just about everyone you've heard of in classic rock and decent country. There's the best band in the world, Del Castillo. Add to that: great BBQ, great world cuisine, a lot of Texas history.

What recreational opportunities do you have?
Lakes, rivers and streams. Sixth street (local clubs are mostly on 6th street). Lots of hike and bike trails, and it's a short drive to the major theme parks in Texas, if you're into that kind of crap.

What do you like about it?
The people from Austin (the ones born here) and the nicest, coolest people on the planet. Seriously wonderful people. Some of the transplants are as well. Plus, it's a small city with all the big city culture. And there's a lot of wacky crap here: Eeyores Birthday @ pease park, the Kite festical @ Zilker, the taco shack in south austin, etc.

What do you hate about it?
When you move to Austin, there's always someone telling you how cool it was ten or twenty years ago. There's a feeling that you Just Missed It, those heady, hip, wonderful laid back days. That "you're not in the club" thing is pretty annoying. That and all the goddamn californians. And the Yuppies. And the Texans not from Austin. And the summer (9 months of summer, 3 months of pants-wearin'-weather).

What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
The heat is awful in the summer. The food seems like it used to be good, but there's a lot of corporate eateries. Still some gems out there, though. The music scene is really amazing, both good and bad. The city itself is pleasent. Everyone in Texas thinnks that Austin is liberal. I've lived in California. This ain't liberal.

Would you recommend it, and why?
For a short (3 day) visit: yes. Please don't move here.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
Tex-Mex isn't Mexican food. East Austin is "the bad part of town" (ooooooh! Black people and Mexicans! It must be baaaad). South Austin is hip and poor-ish, though getting trendier. Sandra Bullock is as beautiful in person as you'd think she'd be. MoPac = Loop 1. MoPac stands for "Missouri Pacific" since it follows the tracks. I-35 is bad, no matter what time of day. Research, Anderson, and 183 are all the same road in different places. Everyone is armed. Wear light clothing and carry no spare parts. Expect the 71 @ I-35 interchange construction to be a "forever" project. UT is 50,000 students strong, so don't carry a Kansas banner. Orange is the color, and Whitman is not a candy sampler.

How is it different from other places you have been?
I've lived in New Mexico, California, and central Massachusetts. Austin is hotter, hipper, more wealthy (in general), and has better music. It lacks jobs, places to go that are cheap and non-alcoholic at night, and decent Indian food.
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Our Embarrassing Phallic Skyline (4.66 / 3) (#81)
by CheeseburgerBrown on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 10:50:11 AM EST

Where do you live?
I live in Toronto, Ontari-ari-ario, Canada. Also known as: the GTA, the megacity, Hogtown, or simply "where the ass-holes live."

Why do you live there?
Work. I'm a freelance animator, and in this city they fall over each other to throw work at you if you have even a halfway idea of what you're doing. I am saving up a downpayment on a house that is not in Toronto. I have a soft spot for the city because I grew up here, but it is fairly smelly, the people are somewhat rude and the cost is living is relatively high.

What cultural opportunities do you have?
I hate to quote Douglas Coupland, but I'm afraid I have to quote Douglas Coupland: "Toronto is the Yellow Pages comes to life." While lacking the more sophisticated air of more authentic cosmopolitan cultures like Montreal, Toronto makes up for it with glitzy, expensive facsimiles thereof. It's the well-off consumer's dream: eat anything from anywhere on the planet, buy anything from anywhere on the planet. Basically, Toronto is Canada's best crack at an American city. It's as American as you can get without actually having to suffer the indignity of being one.

What recreational opportunities do you have?
Parklands abound. Off-Broadway theatre. Rush-hour driving. Vagrant dodging. Canadian National Exhibition. Taverns galore. Pretentious nite-clubs, if you're into that sort of thing.

What do you like about it?
In no particular order: trees, money, speed, broad array of gourmet take-out choices

What do you hate about it?
The smell of the smog-dome in summer. The way people on the road keep trying to off me. The way self-righteous Canadians from other cities see fit to sneer at me for where I live.

Would you recommend it, and why?
If you're someone who would like the benefits of living in an American megatropolis, except with more trees and less crime, this is the place for you. Of course, you could also go to Vancouver, British Columbia for that if you're of a left-coast sort of bend -- on the other hand if you hate hippies, Toronto is the logical alternative. Also, you might just think it's funny to live in a city whose principal skyline features is a massive concrete yang planted beside a giant retractable yin.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
Defensive driving techniques. Try to be polite. What "poutine" is. Working knowledge of Chinese would come in handy, too.


This is an excellent example of a fairly dull but decently spelled signature.

Milford, Ohio, USA (4.00 / 2) (#83)
by e4 on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 10:53:14 AM EST

Where do you live?
Milford, Ohio (USA), near Cincinnati

Why do you live there?
Several reasons:
- My wife and I used to live in Columbus, Ohio and decided it was time for a change. We wanted someplace new, yet not completely unfamiliar. We explored several possibilities and decided on Milford.
- Most of my family is at least two hours but not more than four hours away by car.
- I found both a nice tech job and a nice house, within a couple miles of each other.

What cultural opportunities do you have?
Milford itself doesn't have much at this point. There's an older "Main Street" strip with quaint little antique shops, craft stores, an outdoor and camping supply store, a barber shop, etc. It's not a dressed up historic district, it's actually old (well, by US standards). This gives it a nice, authentic feel.

Nearby Cincinnati seems to want to be included with places like New York, Chicago and Boston, so they strive for capital-C Culture. Opera, symphony, theater and museums have fairly strong support, and nice restaurants are more common here than other places I've lived.

Cincinnati was kind of a border town in the Civil War era, and many escaped slaves found their way to freedom by crossing the Ohio River here. Kentucky considers itself (and conducts itself as) a Southern state, and some of that culture bleeds over into Ohio.

There are multicultural communities here, but much of the city is not very integrated. The racial unrest a couple years ago shows that Cincinnati has a lot of room for improvement in this regard.

If you can't find what you want here, Lexington, Louisville, Indianapolis and Columbus are all within a couple hours or so.

What recreational opportunities do you have?
There is an excellent 90-mile bike trail that runs along the Little Miami River, right through Milford. It's a beautiful trail. There are many small parks and a couple state parks nearby. The Little Miami has canoeing and kayaking opportunities also.

Cincinnati has a pretty good variety of things. King's Island (er, "Paramount" King's Island) is an above-average amusement park if you can get past the fact that nearly every ride has some movie tie-in. The Newport Aquarium across the river in Newport, Kentucky is very nice, and has spawned a rebirth in the surrounding area. You can also find professional sports (well, calling the Bengals "professional" is debatable), some pretty nice local parks, and quite a few state parks within close range. If you're into gambling, there are riverboats nearby that'll let you float down the Ohio River while experimenting with various laws of probability.

What do you like about it?
To me, Milford is a good balance point. It's on the very fringe of a large urban area. I can be in Cincinnati in 20 minutes. I can be picking berries at a local farm in five minutes. I can be bicycling, canoeing or horseback riding in 10. I can also be to work in five minutes. It's slightly hilly, fairly wooded, pretty quiet. It's got conveniences, but it's got open spaces. It's got new housing developments, 100-year-old homes and rural farmhouses. There are trailer parks not far from $400,000 homes. The schools are great, the neighborhoods are nice, and people get involved in things. I have black neighbors, Asian neighbors and white neighbors. They don't cut down all the trees when they build new homes. The Little Miami River is very protected. It's close to my family, but not too close.

There's a little wooded stream that runs through my back yard. I've deer, ducks, owls, hawks, songbirds, butterflies, salamanders, crawfish, minnows, groundhogs, racoons, rabbits and snakes out there. And that's just in the first year.

What do you hate about it?
I can't really think of anything I hate about Milford. Hopefully it won't fall into the sprawl trap.

There's a conservative streak that seems to run pretty deep in Cincinnati. And when I say conservative, I mean homophobic, xenophobic, racist, anti-birth-control, old-money, no-swearing, bible-thumping, old-time conservative. It seems to be only in certain pockets, and mostly in the older generation, but it's still out there. Just to give you an idea, the Fox Sports channel has a show called "The Best Damn Sports Show, Period." When the local baseball announcer reads the promo's for it, he leaves out the "Damn." I have a feeling it's because people complained. It's not something I see every day, but occasionally it rears its ugly head.

That, and for a city with a strong German heritage, there should really be a lot more brewpubs.

Would you recommend it, and why?
I guess it depends what you're looking for. I would certainly recommend Milford. I'm not so sure about other areas of Cincinnati.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
The outerbelt (I-275) is bigger than it looks. It goes all the way to Indiana! "Across town" is at least an hour away. The Dayton airport is just a little farther away than the Cincinnati airport, and the fares are almost always cheaper. Traffic can be bad in some places, especially if you have to commute into downtown. There are only so many bridges across the river. Smog can be a problem in the summer, and it gets pretty hot and humid. Winters are mostly mild, but at some point during the winter, you'll probably wake up to a few inches of snow.

How is it different from other places you have been?
It's probably not drastically different from other places, but it does have its own character. It can be both urban and rural, both northern and southern, wild and cultured, old and modern. 95% of what I want in life can be found here, even if what I want changes.

Nashville, TN (4.00 / 2) (#85)
by AnalogBoy on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 10:58:08 AM EST

Where do you live?

Antioch (Basically Nashville), TN

Why do you live there?

Born here

What cultural opportunities do you have?

We have multicultural city - Mainly Hispanics, Asians, and Middle-easterners around where i live.  

What recreational opportunities do you have?

We have the grand ol opry, a few other major country music-related landmarks.   There are a few historical areas pertaining to the Civil War.  We used to have opryland, with a lot of amusement rides, but now, its a mall.   Shopryland.

What do you like about it?

It's home.  Oh, and no state or local income tax.

What do you hate about it?

All the rednecks, the tourists, the hicks, the baptist-church-every-1/2-mile.   Oh, and we have a football team, which we love to point out to people.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

No, you can't become a country star just by moving here. Sorry.  Depending on the how far you are out of town, you may also need to come armed and/or with at least two 1980's-model cars.    The state provides blocks.

You also may want to learn how to speak southern.  While not a big problem in the city of Nashville, the outlying areas are still pretty "out there".

How is it different from other places you have been?

There are literally churches on most every road.   Count on at least one church per square mile.

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Prepare to be assimilated. (4.00 / 2) (#87)
by i on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 10:59:05 AM EST

Where do you live?
Haifa, a dull town in northern Israel.

Why do you live there?
My family wanted to be near our relatives when we immigrated 12 years ago. I'm staying here because of my job, mostly.

What cultural opportunities do you have?
There's a concert hall for the classical music (I pretty much don't listen to anything else). There are few museums, interesting but nothing exceptional. The Cinemateque caters for cinema afficionados.

What recreational opportunities do you have?
Tel Aviv is an hour away, and the Ben Gurion international airport is not much further :) The beach is 200m from my office (separated from it by a railway and a motorway, unfortunately). swings chair to the window I'm working and they're swimming. Bastards. Forests and nature and wildlife are just outside the town limits.

What do you like about it?
It's a quiet place with good educational opportunities for my kids. It also seems to be the place with the least Jewish-Arab tensions in Israel.

What do you hate about it?
It is, um, well, dull. Haven't I already mention it? Some parts of the town suffer from pollution badly (petrochemical works nearby; fortunately they're about to move elsewhere). Oh, and you can be blown up at any moment, but that's the way of life here.

What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
Can't think of any. It's a very, very ordinary place.

Would you recommend it, and why?
Not really. There is a dozen or so more exciting places in the world, and most of them are safer too. Though Technion might be for you if you are dreaming about a degree in engineering.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
Mostly places to stay away from.

How is it different from other places you have been?
It's the most ordinary and dull of all places I've been. I think I've already mentioned this. No surprise here; I usually try to visit more exciting places than my own :)

Hm, I didn't persuade you to come and live here, did I? That's probably because I'm in a crappy mood today. It's an OK place, really.

and we have a contradicton according to our assumptions and the factor theorem

Someplace, USA (none / 0) (#88)
by quartz on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 10:59:38 AM EST

Where do you live?

Some suburb in central New Jersey

Why do you live there?

It's as good a place to live as any.

What cultural opportunities do you have?

None worth mentioning. NYC is a 30 minute train ride away, though.

What recreational opportunities do you have?

A lot of books, a couple of computers and a broadband Internet link. Reading is my #1 recreational activity.

What do you like about it?

It's quiet and isolated. People mind their own business. Nobody walks anywhere. Everybody drives. I only see humans during the weekend when I do my grocery shopping, and the only meaningful dialog I have with them consists of "thank you" and "have a nice day". I love it. After 20 years of living in a big city, isolation is bliss.

What do you hate about it?

Nothing. There's nothing to hate.

What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

It doesn't stand out in any way. It's just like every other American suburb.

Would you recommend it, and why?

No. NJ is overpopulated as it is.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

Chinese.

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Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke, and fuck 'em even if they can.

Leeds, Yorkshire England (4.50 / 2) (#93)
by andymurd on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 11:13:28 AM EST

Where do you live?

In Leeds, a city of ~1M people in northern England.

Why do you live there?

I moved here cos I think its the most entertaining city in the north of England. Too many northern towns and cities suffering from decline, poverty, and racial tension. I chose the north because I'm a northern lad and I need gravy with my chips </UKian in-joke>. Seriously, its only a couple of hours from my family and the housing is cheaper than in the south.

What cultural opportunities do you have?

There are a few museums, galleries and attractions but by far the best "cultural opportunities" are the bars and clubs.

There's some pretty nice achitecture too, lots of festivals, fairs and stuff.

What recreational opportunities do you have?

See the bars and clubs bit above. One thing that we're really missing is a high capacity venue for live bands. There are quite a lot of bars that showcase smaller, local bands though.

What do you like about it?

Leeds has a very large university population which is reflected in the attitudes of the local population. Most people here are fairly relaxed and the general consensus is that its OK to be a bit weird. Lots of nice girlies too.

Leeds has also benefited from massive investment over the past few years making it one of the fastest growing regional economies in the UK. There are still areas of massive poverty in the city though.

There's lots of good shops too, if you're into that sort of thing.

What do you hate about it?

Due to the relative prosperity of city centre, it has loads of beggars and herion addicts constantly pan-handling for that mythical commodity, "spare change".

Oh, there's about 2000000000 f**king Starbucks' too.

Would you recommend it, and why?

Its not for everyone, but I think its a cool place.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

That all the locals will call you "luv" regardless of age/sex etc. That comes as a bit of a shock the first time you hop into a taxi and the neanderthal driver asks where you're going.

Blackburn, Lancashire, England (3.00 / 1) (#94)
by tottori on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 11:14:33 AM EST

Where do you live?
Blackburn is a large town in the North-west of England. Population around 70k. It has a very large Asian (Indian sub-continent) community.

Why do you live there?
It's where my family is. It's a lot less screwed-up than many other places, has lots of trees, and good transport links.

What cultural opportunities do you have?
There's a cinema (mainstream only), museum, library. Nothing, basically. All the interesting cultural stuff is happening in the Asian community, and I'm out of it.

What recreational opportunities do you have?
Recreation here generally means going to the pub. When the pubs close, people migrate to the clubs. If drinking heavily and getting off with random strangers is your idea of fun, it's ideal.

Apart from that, we have several nice parks, although sadly in recent years they have become unsafe to visit alone. A short bike ride in almost any direction will get you into some very nice countryside, go a bit further and there's some wild moors.

There's various swimming pools, sports clubs, etc. for people who are into that sort of thing.

What do you like about it?
There's lots of trees, and the town is small enough that you can walk anywhere. It's easy to get broadband here. The christians are massively outnumbered by the muslims. I'm proud of how much less racist Blackburn has become in my lifetime. We have good views over the rolling hills.

What do you hate about it?
While not nearly as bad as the larger cities, we still have significant problems with mentally-ill drunks harrassing people for money on the street. There's also a large contingent of miscellaneously weird people who hang about the market. The levels of drug abuse and prostitution are less obvious, but still prevalent. The threat of violent crime is oppressive, and almost everyone here has had their house burgled. People around here are dour and suspicious. The town is struggling to justify its existance, and some parts are very run down. Although it habitually votes Labour, it's a very conservative town, so if you don't fit into the pub social scene (or the Asian community), you don't socialise. The number of decent restaurants in town can be counted on one hand (the number of kebab/pizza places on the other hand seems virtually infinite).

What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
It rains all the time. That's actually how the town originally made its fortune, as the dampness made it easier to spin cotton. But now it's just the wettest town in the region, and for no good reason.

Would you recommend it, and why?
I can't really recommend Blackburn, except in terms of it not being so bad as other places.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
If you're from another country, it would take some adjustment, but really no different than any other part of England. If someone calls you "love", it's not a come-on. On the other hand, if they stick their tongue in your mouth, it probably is.

How is it different from other places you have been?
It doesn't have the pervasive smell of urine of London, and it's not so relentless degrading. You can pretty much keep your humanity here without being continuously threatened by lunatics every time you step out the door.

It also doesn't smell as bad as France, but the weather is worse and it's not nearly as beautiful.

The weather is also worse than America, but the food is better. It's a lot dirtier than America, the roads have bends in them, there's a lot less car parks, only 2 McDonalds in the whole town, and the people serving have the same racial mix as the people eating. You can get anywhere here without a car. We have buildings that are more than 20 years old (almost all of them, in fact).

There's a lot less vending machines and paddy fields than Japan. Actually, it's different in every way I can think of, so I can't really list the differences.

The women are less attractive here than every other place I've been, including other parts of England.

Falls Church, VA, USA (4.00 / 2) (#95)
by unshaven on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 11:15:45 AM EST

Where do you live?

Falls Church, Virginia, USA -- though, most of the time I say Washington, DC.

Why do you live there?

I needed a job, and found one with the gov't.  Plus, I used to go to school in DC itself and loved the city.  Have to live outside of the city because it's cheaper and an easier commute for my girlfriend.

What cultural opportunities do you have?

Almost everything... the Smithsonians, etc. for museums, great theatres (live & movie), multicultural neighborhoods, and the embassies often have events going on with them.  And, of course, the monuments.

What recreational opportunities do you have?

Lots of great restaurants, bars, clubs, coffeeshops.  Great Falls is a nice day out.

What do you like about it?

The Metro, the liveliness of neighborhoods like Adams Morgan, Dupont Circle, Georgetown and (most of) the weather.  The ability to look up and see the Washington Monument.

What do you hate about it?

Traffic.  Cost of living.  The horrible sprawl.

What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

Expensive, especially for low-grade gov't workers.  The number of suit-wearing individuals. Weird little stores.

Would you recommend it, and why?

Yes, if you like living in a city.  There are other places I would like to live, as well, but walking around this city always makes me happy.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

Get a Metro map.  Try out a few neighborhoods for size -- I'm more Adams Morgan/Dupont Circle than Georgetown.  Avoid the Mall during June/July -- damn tourists :).  And, there is no better reading location in the world than on a couch in an atrium in the National Gallery of Art.

How is it different from other places you have been?

I've pretty much hated every other place I've lived -- too small, too monoculture, total lack of artistry for me.  But, I'm a city mouse (would love to live in SF, NYC, Portland, Seattle), so my opinions are colored by that...

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Manhattan, NYC USA (4.00 / 1) (#96)
by jseverin on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 11:18:18 AM EST

Where do you live? East 51st Street, Manhattan, NYC USA Why do you live there? I wanted to live someplace interesting, where there was plenty of professional opportunity for me. What cultural opportunities do you have? All of them. What recreational opportunities do you have? Everything a big city could possibly offer, including the best restaurants in the world, bars, theatre, Broadway, shopping - you name it, Manhattan has it. What do you like about it? Everything is happening here, all of the time. You can do anything you want 24 hours a day. It is the ultimate adult amusement park. What do you hate about it? It's a 24-hour assault on your senses. You can get really ground down really fast. Plus, it's hugely expensive. Plus, terrorists try to kill us occasionally. Besides that it's great. What qualities really stand out? (good or bad) The people are very in-your-face and direct. The architecture is amazing. Would you recommend it, and why? Yes, as long as you don't have children. Everyone should live here for at least a year. You witness everything that humans are capable of. If I were to move there, what would I really need to know? How to find a nice, cheap apartment in a good location (if you find out, keep it to yourself). How is it different from other places you have been? Manhattan is the center of the human universe. It is different from everywhere, and different from itself day to day. It's denser, faster, and more exciting than anywhere else I've been. Cities I've been to that come close to NYC's vibrancy are London and Berlin. "When you leave New York, believe me, you go nowhere" - Lawrence Fishburne "When it's three o'clock in New York, it's still 1938 in London" - Bette Midler

In answer to your question... (1.00 / 1) (#98)
by oooga on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 11:20:27 AM EST

Are there any hip towns that don't have a large university near by?

No.
Taking my toast burnt since 1985

boring little town (2.00 / 1) (#100)
by Grammar Queen on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 11:21:10 AM EST

Where do you live? central Maryland Why do you live there? only because my parents do What cultural opportunities do you have? Baltimore city is not too far away... zoos, science center, art galleries, cool bookstores, smog, polluted bay... What recreational opportunities do you have? little league sports for kids, community parks, a pool in each neighborhood (but nothing for me to do...) What do you like about it? I know everyone in the town What do you hate about it? I know everyone in the town What qualities really stand out? (good or bad) hmm... it's a bedroom community for Baltimore. The drivers here are nasty with a capital N. Would you recommend it, and why? No, it is boring. If I were to move there, what would I really need to know? Nothing; it seems the citizens don't know much either. How is it different from other places you have been? there are groundhogs everywhere, and neighborhoods are overdeveloped.

sure, I'll give it a go (3.00 / 1) (#103)
by shrubbery on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 11:26:32 AM EST

Where do you live?
Morristown, NJ. A small, very colonial era town about 30 miles west and a hours drive from that uber-city, New York City.

Why do you live there?
I was actually born here! I'll be moving shortly but I was born in the town hospital here. My father was also born here in the very same hospital. If you define a first-generation American as first offspring of a new citizen, then I'm third generation American.

What cultural opportunities do you have?
This depends on how far you want to travel. We're considered the edge of the New York Megapolis i.e. we get all the new york local news, radio, newspapers here. I don't need to expound whats in the big city but locally there is a small museum and a very lovely Arts Center which I go to every so often. Morristown is a historical town and there are signs everywhere that illustrate that. Its laid out in a colonial fashion with a town square that I believe used to be used for lynchings. George Washington camped here during the Revolutionary War and you can visit that site.

What recreational opportunities do you have?
There's a large local dance club if thats your thing. The more East you go towards the city, the density of "stuff to do" increases. There alone is about ten huge shopping malls in driving range. There is *EIGHT* major sports teams here of all the big 4 team sports. Anything you can imagine you can do here. This is of course includes the New York Megapolis area. Many golf courses, go-karts, race track betting.. lots of just about anything. Its your typical suburbia here with the variety of urban life to the East and calmness of rural to the other directions.

What do you like about it?
Its a fairly good middle between urban and rural life. Though, for me that attitude is changing as I probably want to move away a bit for a change of scenery. The town itself has been moving upscale as there is a huge influx of yuppies and posh restaurants. Having a town square which the downtown is centered makes it an attractive little place for people who work in New York or around here but don't want or can't afford the city life. The sorrounding towns are fairly affluent. Race relations are generally alright although there is a ghettoish area people do avoid.

What do you hate about it?
It's a fairly generic American town but maybe thats because I've been here so long. I need to experience more out there. Maybe I'm right though and its just your typical American consumerism at work and I'm just jaded. Things are also impossible to get to without a car. I like the convienance of city life although I'm not keen on any noise (I use New York as a reference).

What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
See above. There is a cozy quintness to the town even with all the new-yuppie influence. It does have a certain old-school 1700's charm to its layout. The people though are turning into all those black-rimmed glass wearing, BMW driving, Gucci shirt buying, Starbucks sipping generic creatures you see in the ads.

Would you recommend it, and why?
Depends on what you want. Its not city life thats for sure. It'll be a bit too calm and isolated for some. But it is in the middle of urban and rural life so if you like that sort of balance and own a car that you won't mind racking up high miles on, go for it.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
Not too much to know. The people are a bit defensive and not the friendliest sometimes. It's a mix. There's access to every major highway in the North NJ area. If you didn't know already, NJ is infamous for its highway system. The standard joke is "So what exit are you from?"

How is it different from other places you have been?

I haven't been to enough other places outside the country to compare but really its not alot different than other places in the US I've been to. There are only slight differences. I've been to Austin, TX, and the people seem friendlier. They even let me into the lane when I'm trying to merge! On the other hand, the Silicon Valley area is about the same to me, except newer and cleaner. There are just as rude on the road. I'll elaborate on this when I do travel.

Toledo, Ohio (3.00 / 1) (#105)
by thenick on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 11:36:25 AM EST

Where do you live?

Actually, I live in a suburb of Toledo.

Why do you live there?

I go to school at the University of Toledo and work in Bowling Green, so I live in between the two cities.

What cultural opportunities do you have?

The Toledo Art Museum is a top notch museum that hosts many international exibits every year. The Toledo Zoo is one of the best zoos in the nation and was one of the first US zoos to exibit Pandas in the 1980's. Toledo also has a branch of COSI, a science and industry museum based in Columbus, OH. The Toledo Public Library just renovated their downtown location and it is enormous.

A number of national bands stop in Toledo and we are only 45 minutes from Detroit, so within an hour, there are many music choices.

What recreational opportunities do you have?

The big new thing in Toledo this year is Fifth-Third Field, the new home of the Toledo Mudhens. The Mudhens are the AAA minor league team of the Detroit Tigers and are in First place in the International League this year, the first time they have been this highly ranked since the 60's.

Toledo also hosts the Jamie Farr Kroger Classic, an LPGA tournament named after Klinger from the tv series MASH. He's originally from Toledo, and I always chuckle when I think that an LPGA event is named after a person who was a crossdresser. Toledo is also very close to Michigan International Speedway, so if you enjoy watching cars make left hand turns, you'll have fun here.

Also, Toledo is situated on Lake Erie and the Maumee River, so if you have a boat, and I do, you can have lots of fun crusing on the water.

What do you like about it?

It's really flat. I'm what you call a "salad dodger" and don't exactly enjoy walking up and down hills. Toledo also has a diverse population and a great university, at least compared to my first college.

What do you hate about it?

It's really, really flat. It's so flat that the city I live in had to build a sledding hill for the kids.

What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

It's named the "Glass City" since there was a large number of glass manufacturers in the earlier part of last century. Still present in the area are glass companies Libbey and LOF, which makes car class.

Toledo is largely known for producing Jeeps. The old Jeep plant is being torn down right now as it has been replaced by a new billion dollar plant that produces the Wrangler and the Liberty. The paint shop in the old plant is still being used, so that makes it the oldest auto plant still in production in North America.

Toledo's former mayor, Carty Finkbeiner, both helped the city and embarassed the hell out of it. He made the Top 100 Dumbest Things Ever Said with a quote about how all the deaf people should move out by the airport because they wouldn't complain about the noise. On the other hand, Toledo before Carty was a piece of herpes-infested monkey dung. During his 8 year reign, Toledo improved by leaps and bounds. Downtown is nice and actually inhabited after dark, the Old West End is improving, and International Park is now the place to go get wasted in the summer.

Would you recommend it, and why?

Yes, Toledo is a nice city and has vastly improved over the last ten years. Downtown is no longer a huge hellhole with improvements like Fifth Third Field and International Park. Toledo is also home to a number of Fortune 500 companies like Dana and Owens Corning.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

Just that there are some parts of Toledo that aren't exactly friendly. You won't be immediatly shot a dragged from your car, but at the wrong time of night, it could get interesting. These areas are easily detectable by abundance of Check-Cashing stores and Church's Chicken restaurants.

How is it different from other places you have been?

I've lived in two other places, Big Rapids, MI and Canton, OH. Canton is a town without a middle class. It seemed that you either were connected in with everyone and had money, or you were poor. There was no apparent middle ground.

Big Rapids is a small town supported by one factory and a college. Its tiny, full of walking, talking stereotypes, and in the middle of nowhere.

 
"Doing stuff is overrated. Like Hitler, he did a lot, but don't we all wish he would have stayed home and gotten stoned?" -Dex

Cambridge, England (4.00 / 3) (#106)
by pjc51 on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 11:37:47 AM EST

Where do you live?

Cambridge, England.

Why do you live there?

I'm a gradute student at the University of Cambridge.

What cultural opportunities do you have?

Cambridge is great for the things you'd probably expect to be great. It has fantastic architecture, has lots of bookshops, is great for theatre and is fairly good for classical music and visual art. It also has a fantastic arts cinema, and a reasonably good mainstream cinema. The one thing that it does badly is popular music - there is no really good venue for live bands and the clubs are pretty awful.

What recreational opportunities do you have?

The sports facilities for the university are great, and those for residents not associated with the university are pretty good too. There's a lot of open space in the city centre which is nice, and the pubs and restaurants aren't bad. The city is however somewhat lacking in good coffee shops.

What do you like about it?

The main attraction for me is the fact that a large fraction of the population is people associated with the university. It also happens to be the most beautiful citie in Britain.

What do you hate about it?

The main problem is that it pretty much completely shuts down late at night. It also can be a bit overcrowded in the summer, you don't stand a chance of being able to drive around the city, and the weather isn't great. The cost of living is fairly high too.

Would you recommend it, and why?

If you aren't too put off by the lack of nightlife then definitely.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

Not a lot.

How is it different from other places you have been?

Compared to my parents' home town, Cambridge is culturally fantastic. Compared to London it isn't quite as good, but it's much prettier.



Seattle (3.00 / 3) (#107)
by mpalczew on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 11:47:19 AM EST

Where do you live?

Seattle, Washington

Why do you live there?

Fucked if I know.  I'll move if I can.

What cultural opportunities do you have?

Plenty of local live music.  The kind where you pay a five dollar cover and see 4 bands, and if you want you can hang with them afterwards.   Tons of Microbreweries and brew pubs.  Cafes are everywhere.  You can't walk a couple blocks without the ability to buy an esspresso drink.
(on a side note, what is up with food at cafes, they give you a dehydrating drink and the only food they have is dry bread things, like biscotti, why not something wet to counteract the dehydration).

What recreational opportunities do you have?

Water sports.  Mountain hiking, backpacking, climbing, camping.  Generally lots of outdoor stuff.

What do you like about it?

beer selection is awesome.  I like local music.  

What do you hate about it?

The weather.  It seams like all the seasons around here just get glued together into one super season called fall.  It's always gray even the summer.  During the summer we get a very select few nice days, when everybody talks about how nice it is here, when in fact this is a normal summer day somewhere else.  For the most part the wether is one of three: partially cloudy, cloudy or showers. Always gray.  You can more or less where the same jeans and sweater year round.  It's August 01, the warmest month here and I'm wearing khaki pants and a sweatshirt.

The traffic.  it stinks.  

High property values in the city.  Not as bad as San Fransisco, but shitty non the less.

There is hippies and yuppies(or some kind of mixture) everywhere.  I swear this is the city where everyone lives in their own little world, with their own personal agenda(sort of like kuro5hin,[duck])

What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

the traffic and weather.  

Would you recommend it, and why?

no, as you can guess I hate the weather and traffic.  Some people seam to like it.

Furthermore because of the constant grayness this is the depression and esspresso capital of the world.  Often times at the first sign of depression they will schedule you to go into a room where there is fake sunlight being generated on a daily basis.  This works for some people.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

Tons of people are bitter, for one reason or another.  Half the population is on prozac or some such medication.

Get a place to live and work on the same side of the lake.  Otherwise you will be stuck one of the 2 floating bridges everyday.  Don't move to Kent or Federal Way, or any place south of Seattle, unless you like to sit on the highway in traffic on weekdays and hangout with yuppie wannabe's on weekends(even worse than regular yuppies, think of a yuppie with much less money)

Where else have I been?

I've lived in Florida, Portland, Oregon and here.  I've spent time in California and Nevada.
-- Death to all Fanatics!

Represent, represent! NYC, NY, USA. (4.00 / 2) (#111)
by SPYvSPY on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 12:04:31 PM EST

Where do you live?

I live in the East Village, Manhattan, New York City, New York, USA.

Why do you live there?

If you can make it here, you can make it anywhere.

What cultural opportunities do you have?

The culture of Manhattan varies from neighborhood to neighborhood, and this is true for the greater NYC metro area as well. Most of my time has been spent shuttling between work in Midtown (the forties and fifties) and my home below 14th street. In the five years that I've live in New York City, I've had apartments in the West Village, Tribeca, SoHo, the East Village, and the Upper West Side. I've grown fondest of the East Village, which can be described as a funky, young neighborhood with a blue-collar/indigent history that has recently been gentrified and assimilated into the flourishing downtown scene. What makes the East Village great is the unpretentious hipness of its residents, the massive variety of its restaurants/bars/clubs, and the relaxed freakiness of its vibe. There's a lot of history in the East Vill, from CBGB's to Tompkins Square, you'll find the roots of punk here, just as an example. On my block, you'll find at least three world-class Italian dessert shops, a store that sells glasses, a store that sells fabric, a music store, a health food store, a deli, an Italian cafe, a sushi restaurant, a tapas bar, a photo processing shop, and the Italian restaurant that was the setting for the famous scene in the Godfather where Pacino assassinates the guy with the gun from the bathroom. And that's just between 10th and 11th streets. It goes on like this for miles in every direction, with literally thousands of interesting shops and bars and restaurants. Films that never show anywhere else show in New York, and films that show everywhere else show first in New York. Plays, too (if you like that sort of thing). Just about the only culture New York has not embraced is Wal Mart, which is kind of a good thing, if you ask me. (Although I could use a Wal Mart from time to time ;) )

What recreational opportunities do you have?

I like to stay home and sit in front of my computer in my cozy air conditioned bedroom in my $3600/month loft apartment, but I also like to be able to go out and have some fun whenever I want. That's why I used to live in New Orleans, and that's why I live in New York. There are so many opportunities for recreation in New York that it can be literally overwhelming. Sometimes my girlfriend and I will go on a months-long kick where we'll eat at a new restaurant (within walking distance of home) every night of the week. Of course, the same applies to bars and clubs. Clubs can be a bit of a pain, though, since you'll often need to be on the list, work for a magazine or entertainment company, be famous, or buy a table to get in. Bars are wide open, though, and are (in my experience) often equivalent to the "clubs" in other cities. (The clubs in New York range from the giant dancehalls to the ultra-elite double or triple VIP lounges; I've been to all types and learned to hate them all). For a look at a slice of life in the bar scene in the East Vill, have a look at the webcams at the remote lounge. There's even a shot of me, the one night I went there!

What do you like about it?

The best thing about New York City is walking through the streets and absorbing the energy of the people. It's a great place to be young and being a part of it makes you feel connected to the core of modern civilization.

What do you hate about it?

I dislike large sections of the outer boroughs and New Jersey (sorry ;) ). There are these huge fucking wastelands of ugliness and mediocrity. The people in these areas are shitheads that can't plan a goddamn road system or zoning or any goddamn thing right ever. If you disagree with me, you've spent too much time in Queens or Hoboken.

What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

New York is big. That's good and bad, but it's an immutable feature of New York. I used to live in Seattle and sometimes I would look at the mountains and just think "damn that's big and awe inspiring." I have the same feeling in New York City on a regular basis.

Would you recommend it, and why?

Yes. Everyone should be tested by New York City. If you fail, you will find your place elsewhere. If you make it, you are an official Badass Motherfucker(tm) and you will go to every other place on planet Earth and think to yourself: "these people are fucking kidding me, right? If they only knew."

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

Nothing. Try it. Getting set up in New York City is really hard (esp. if you're not from here, like me), but the rewards are amazing.

How is it different from other places you have been?

Bigger, smarter, meaner, more meaningful, more sophisticated, more closely connected to the center of human civilization, more relevant, more *satisfying* than anywhere I've ever lived.

Have a nice day! See you in NYC!
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Milwaukee, WI (none / 0) (#112)
by Nafai on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 12:06:55 PM EST

Where do you live?
Milwaukee, WI

Why do you live there?
born here

What cultural opportunities do you have?
Excellent, newly redesigned Art museum right in downtown, museum, libraries, LOTS AND LOTS of public parks and biking/walking/sport trails. Excellent public transportation so you can get around.

What recreational opportunities do you have?
*** 2003 is the 100-year Anniversary of Harley-Davidson. Anyone who saw what it was like for the 95-year knows it's gonna be a HUGE HUGE HUGE party next year when all the bikers roll into town. Also, CRAZY amounts of music festivals during warmer months (See Summerfest). When it's not freezing out, there is a huge party somewhere in the city every weekend (and sometimes even IF it's freezing out).

What do you like about it?
Friendly people, relatively low cost of living. Suprising good public transportation system.

What do you hate about it?
Too cold in winter, Too hot in summer

What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
Beer Beer Beer! There is a bar on every other corner (or every corner is some areas).

Would you recommend it, and why?
I would definately recommend visiting here first. (Particularily during summerfest). Also Milwaukee was ranked most lesbian friendly city.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
Two links.
To Do
Not To Do

How is it different from other places you have been?
Chicago - Suprisingly different atmosphere than Chicago. We tend to be slower, more relaxed, more focused on having fun rather than achieving "success" like some FIBs on overdrive.
Down south - too much religious conservatism. Up here there is a lot of catholics (and lutherns) and lot of people like their alcohol.
California - our weather is much more extreme in both directions than much of the rest of the nation.



The sunny side (gah!) of Louisville (none / 0) (#114)
by IHCOYC on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 12:07:48 PM EST

Where do you live?

New Albany, Indiana. Essentially, if not legally, we are a suburb of Louisville, Kentucky. We are on one side of the Ohio River; Louisville is on the other side. Were it one city, it would be almost as large as St. Louis.

Why do you live there?

It's where I grew up.

What cultural opportunities do you have?

Diddly-squat, really, at least that appeals to me. The disunity caused by the urban area being divided among two states and many smaller municipalities makes this sort of thing hard to organise.

There is the Louisville Orchestra, which once had a national reputation for introducing and recording new orchestral works. That star has fallen dramatically over the past fifteen years.

Live music locally focuses mostly on singer-songwriters, country, blooze, and roots rock: genres that have their merits but that hold relatively little appeal to me. There is very little of a nightclub scene, especially after the MADD Terror.

What recreational opportunities do you have?

The Kentucky Derby and horse racing generally offer fine entertainment. Of all the spectator sports, it is the most picturesque and the least tiresome. Of all the varieties of gambling, this is the most geek-friendly, offering reams of stats to finagle and analyse if that's your bag.

What do you like about it?

It's one of the cheapest places to live in the nation.

What do you hate about it?

The dialect spoken by many white Kentuckian women sounds like a cat getting its tail pulled.

Foul air from the Gulf of Mexico makes the weather almost unbearable this time of year.

What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

It's perhaps one of the most blue collar of the medium-sized cities left today.

Would you recommend it, and why?

Probably not. Like I said beforehand, there are many cities smaller than this conurbation that boast of a much richer cultural life.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

You won't nead much for winter clothes.

How is it different from other places you have been?

Lived here most all of my life. Canada, where I spent my boyhood, seems much more civilised in retrospect, but then I left when I was 13.

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Vancouver, BC, Canada (4.00 / 3) (#117)
by Run4YourLives on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 12:13:54 PM EST

Where do you live?

The most beautiful city in the world... (And I've lived in many)

Why do you live there?

Personal Choice.

I moved here a couple of years ago from Hell's Neighbour (Toronto), however I was born here. There is simply no comparison.

What cultural opportunities do you have?

Vancouver is very diverse. In addition to large asian and indian (the eastern kind) communities, Van City seems to be a dumping ground for all of canada's youth. Add two major universities, about ten beaches, parks everywhere and you get what is now famous as "west coast culture"  

There's always something going on, from fireworks festivals (last night) to "legalize pot" rallies (couple months ago) to pride parades (next week).

What recreational opportunities do you have?

HAHAHA... Oh, I guess you are serious. Well, considering most folks in their answers consider "going to the movies" recreation, we're slightly different. Whistler (think never-never land, with skiers) is only a 2 hr drive away, and offers some of the best Skiing/Snowboarding, Hiking, Mtn. Biking, and general hijinks in the world. As said before there are upwards of 10 beaches within the city limits (most down town). Stanley park deserves a mention... second only in size to Central Park in New York, and surrounded by ocean on three of four sides.

Everyone here is active and outdoorsy. If you are overweight, you will be in the minority (just a warning)

What do you like about it?

Almost everything... the mountains, the ocean, the view, the people, the attitude. In Vancouver you can play big city one day, bump into a bear on hike the next, and see orca's from a ferry on the third...

It's doesn't snow (unlike everywhere else in Canada)

What do you hate about it?

I don't really hate anything about it. Some areas for improvement are: It rains a lot in the winter (our penance for lack of snow), City council is full of retards looking to stop anyone from having fun, and both major newspapers are own by the same company (??)

What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

The scenery, for sure, followed by the laid back, west coast lifestyle.

Would you recommend it, and why?

Yes. More importantly, if you haven't noticed, I love where I live. The reason for this is because I picked up from where I was, and moved to where I wanted to be. It was difficult at times, but looking back, it was the best decision I have ever made. If you don't like where you live, MOVE! You will be happier, I promise.

Vancouver is great is you are active, easygoing and sick of the rat race. It would be for you if you're someone who needs the action and rush that comes from eastern cities like Toronto or New York.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

 - everyone smokes pot. Nobody cares if you do or not, really.
 - stay away from main and hastings. (unless you're a crack addict)
 - learn to love the rain.
 - buy a bike.
 - learn to ski/snowboard/hike/camp/downhill mtn. bike
 - Wreck Beach is the nude one.
 - Whislter in the summer = Ski/Ride in the morning, Widsurf in the afternoon, drink that night away...


It's slightly Japanese, but without all of that fanatical devotion to the workplace. - CheeseburgerBrown

Norman, Oklahoma (USA) (4.00 / 1) (#120)
by theDude42 on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 12:25:26 PM EST

  • Where do you live?
    Norman, Oklahoma. A college town (university of oklahoma) of 100,000 or so.
  • Why do you live there?
    I grew up in Noble, a small town to the south. Went to college here. Lived in Lawton (another OK town) after college but moved back here. Love the college town atmosphere.
  • What cultural opportunities do you have?
    I'm going to skip the high art. (there is plenty at the university, but I'm not into that). I do go to the theater occasaionally. We have some at the university and a company. We have a nice arts community in Norman. My wife takes pottery at a nearby art center, etc.
  • What recreational opportunities do you have?
    Lots of lakes, hunting. I like to fish at ponds near my parents house. College sports is a HUGE thing here (no pro). We go to the football games (luckily we bought season tickets in the mid 90s when the Oklahoma program was at a low point). Football saturdays are huge in Oklahoma. People schedule weddings around them. If you haven't been there, you wouldn't really understand.
  • What do you like about it?
    People really ARE freindly here. When I see a row of cars coming on the merge ramp, I move over if I can to let them on. And you know what? So do all the other cars around me. I hold doors for women at the 7-11. I say please and thank you. So do most folks. One other thing, we don't get high salaries, but we have DIRT cheap cost of living. I bought gas this morning for $1.21 a gallon. I live in an expensive housing market (University area of Norman), and my 3 bed/1300 sf. house costs $76,000.
  • What do you hate about it?
    Bible-belt politics. That's the nice thing about Norman, it's a somewhat liberal haven in the midst of one of the most convservative areas of the country. It does get damn hot, also. I don't mind the tornadoes. The weather guys around here keep on top of them, you know when they are coming and statistically, your're not likely to be affected. Large scale ones like May 3rd are exceedingly rare.
  • What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
    as above, it's friendly.
  • Would you recommend it, and why?
    Yes, especially if you don't mind the conservatism.
  • If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
    The football schedule. Don't schedule something on a game day and expect a good turnout.
  • How is it different from other places you have been?
    More friendly, less "beatiful people". I went to california and coulndn't see hardly any fat people!


Espoo, Finland and Mustamae, Estonia. (3.20 / 5) (#121)
by Quietti on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 12:25:44 PM EST

  • Where do you live?

    I currently shuttle back and forth between two locations:

    • Espoo, Finland
    • Mustamae, Estonia
  • Why do you live there?

    Canada offered zero work opportunity for multilinguistic people and is a non-democratic, minority ruled, politicaly correct hellhole. I've always hated the place and had to leave, sooner or later.

    By contrast, Finland (and most other EU countries) favor people with multilingual skills at work and play, on every count. It also has a political system that truely offers balanced representativity and generaly is a highly tolerant country.

    Estonia has close cultural and economical ties with Finland, a similar language and also offers me the opportunity to maintain my Russian speaking skills affloat (Estonia has a 30% Slavic minority left from the Soviet days), without the constant stress one feels when visiting Russia. Salaries are lower than in Finland, but cost of living relatively is also low and people are more tolerant than anywhere I've been. Live and let live is a reality here, while in Finland it's slowly disappearing.

  • What cultural opportunities do you have?

    Plenty of foreign languages (Estonia), a particularly vast variety of local cultural products (Finland has local branches of all Entertainment giants, promoting local talent), lots of interesting and unusual festivals ... all of this has allowed me to develop a circle of friends a zillion times bigger than anything I've ever known back in Canada; people I can trust and with whom great things happen, contrary to most of my old Canadian acquiantances.

  • What recreational opportunities do you have?

    Beyond the above items on cultural opportunities, European countries are so closely located that traveling is a rather affordable and common activity. It's always as fun as it is instructive.

  • What do you like about it?

    The amazingly broad amount of personal freedom Europeans enjoy. Live and let live. People here are incredibly open-minded, even among the most conservative elements. Even the police is amazingly friendly and professional.

  • What do you hate about it?

    While individulas are generally open-minded, politicians are very good at excluding foreigners from some of the freedom that locals enjoy. Even in formerly communist countries, the general attitude that is shaping is: EU citizens are cool, others suck and are potentially dangerous, so we should ask them to pay ridiculous amounts to allow them to visit us or to work here.

  • What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

    Personal freedom and truely balanced democratic representation.

  • Would you recommend it, and why?

    I would recommend both EU and certain Baltic or Central European countries, to anyone who has had it with the erosion of freedom, corporation lobby controlling the government, and lack of accountability (individual and governmental) that currently plagues Canada and United States.

  • If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

    Be prepared to face a lot of red tape targetted at non-EU nationals and be ready to marry a locla sooner than later to make the authorities stop reminding you how you don't belong in their country.

    Also, on top of English, knowing German and Russian, plus your choice of two extra European languages has pretty much become a de-facto requirement for work and play.

  • How is it different from other places you have been?

    People in Europe tend to have a much stronger sense of individual and national identity than North Americans. They usualy know where all of their ancestors came from, still wear traditional dresses a few times a year, shamelessly mix obscure heathen customs with Christianity, and yet feel very globaly connected because of the diversity of the European continent and the nearly intimate ties neighboring countries have.

    By contrast, the corporate America sponsored police state that is developing in United States and the neverending political non-consensus that has always plagued Canada has clarified my priorities even more than when I first arrived here 4 years ago:

    like Alan Cox, I would rather be shot dead than have to set foot in United States, even for a connection flight. Meanwhile, I would gladly nuke Canada off the surface of Earth for being such a looser country.

    I can summarize my hatred of Canada and United States as follow:

    I hate the United-States of America for always having it their way, no matter what the consequences on people in other countries. I hate Canada for never daring to have it its way, no matter what the consequences on its own people inside the country.


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The whole point of civilization is to reduce how much the average person has to think. - Stef Murky
Riverside, California (4.00 / 1) (#127)
by techwolf on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 12:43:08 PM EST

Where you live?
Riverside, Ca

Why do you live there?
because I haven't found a better job elsewhere yet

What cultural opportunities do you have?
Hmmm not much. A few local breweries, the Mission inn(historical site, kinda)a little bit of local theatre and some local bands. The good stuff is all in cities 30 min to 1 1/2 hours away.

What recreational opportunities do you have?
again not a whole lot. movies, local theatre, you know stuff normally found in mid sized cities.

What do you like about it?
it's not all bad, but in alot of areas the crime is higher than i'd like. other than that and driving the 91 freeway (parking lot all the wa to LA) its not too bad

What do you hate about it?
not too many good place to meet others the same age, unless you like to drink or go clubing.

What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)?
Traffic, smog, and, fast food

Would you recommend it, and why?
Not a chance in hell. you are too far from the beach to just pick up and go with it being kind of a big deal (full day type of thing) we get LA's smog, have our own crime, and, it is difficult to do anything outdoor cause the BLM/forrestry service has closed off vast chunks of wilderness to prevent it from being "Damaged". so it's pretty boring round here.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
the way out and how to find a place to live, cause you sure failed the first time.

How is it different from other places you have been?
In other places I can go shooting, offroading, hiking, camping(and have a campfire, cali's too dry so they pretty much outlawed here) and do other fun outdoors type of activities, but not round here. that and the smog is much worse here(again we all of LA's shit). Hell there are day that I look out the windows and can't see the foothills that are 2 miles away,only a grey wall of crap.

and the missing question:
what do you plan on doing in the near future?
i joined the navy to get out of here, and find some fresh air! (that and the navy is paying for my college)


"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." - Thomas Jefferson

NYC, NY (4.00 / 1) (#128)
by Hechz on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 12:47:36 PM EST

Where do you live?

I live in Manhattan, the main borough of New York, NY

Why do you live there?
I moved here three years ago for more opportunity and excitement; from Tampa, FL.

What cultural opportunities do you have?
NYC is the United States premier cultural center.
As such we have great museums, theaters and locally produced events.

What recreational opportunities do you have?
We have many of the best urban recreation activities. Recently the city has been rolling out the "Green Streets" initiative, creating a continuous ring of park around Manhattan. Now that the Hudson river is getting cleaned up we are able to enjoy the waterfront more and more. September eleventh messed up the area of the west side highway by my house for months, but the Esplanade (as the west side park is called) has finally been reopened.

What do you like about it?
There is always the option of things to do. The food selection is my favorite part.

What do you hate about it?
The cost, the heat in the summer, and the griminess.

What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
The transit system here is the best in the country, and it is getting better.

Would you recommend it, and why?
If you are socially active, work hard, and like excitement I would definitely recommend Manhattan. If you want that option but still like the suburban feeling the outer boroughs are the best bet.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
The subway isn't as confusing as it seems at first. And New Yorkers really will help you out. We won't volunteer much, but we will help.

How is it different from other places you have been?

It is more frenetic than a lot of other cities. London and Sydney are the closest in my experience.

Woodburn, IN, USA - "The Smallest City In Ind (4.00 / 1) (#131)
by encore on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 12:50:31 PM EST

Where do you live?
  According to the sign on the edge of town - which I can see from my office window here in "downtown" - Woodburn is the "smallest city" in Indiana with a population of 1200.  Last I heard the population was down to around 1000.  Woodburn is only 30 miles from Ft. Wayne (a city of around 100,000), 2 hours from Indianapolis, IN or Detroit, MI; 3 hours from Chicago, IL or Columbus, OH; or most importantly 10 feet from corn and soybean fields as far as the eyes can see.

Why do you live there?
  Just the luck of the job.

What cultural opportunities do you have?
  3 words - Combine Demolition Derby.
  Woodburn is typical of smalltown America.  It has a gas station, liquor store, grocery store, a couple of seed mills, a pizza joint, and the ubiquitous soft serve ice cream stand.  Culture is definitely roll your own.

What recreational opportunities do you have?
  For daily activities, there isn't much.  There is basically nothing in Woodburn.  Ft. Wayne (the nearest city) has all of the basic food and shopping chains as well as movies and other standard recreation opportunities.  But the big advantage of being in the midwest is the number of things that are available within a short distance.  If you like cities, Indianapolis, Chicago, Detroit are just a few hours drive away.  You can be in the Appalachain mountains in 6 hours, the Ozark mountains in 12, the lakes in northern Minnesota in 10, the great lakes in just a few.  Even some of the provincial parks in Canada are close enough for a weekend trip.

What do you like about it?
  No crowds.

What do you hate about it?
  No privacy - everyone knows everyone (and they all like to gossip).
  Horse dung in the streets - The amish (old time anti-technology religion) are all around.  Grocery store even has a hitching post.
  No DSL.

What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
  The grain silo in town - you can see it for miles.

Would you recommend it, and why?
  Depends on your expectations.  If you like cities, I would say no; but, for rural life, Woodburn is as good as any of the other small midwest towns (and cleaner than most).

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
  You would need to know how to weave around the buggies and be willing to drive a lot to get to whereever you like to go to have fun.


Alta Loma, California (none / 0) (#134)
by Dphitz on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 12:57:01 PM EST

Or basically, another little town in the giant suburb that is the Inland Empire.

Why do you live there?
Grew up here

What cultural opportunities do you have?
Not much, but it is close to L.A. so you can check out lots of museums, art, clubs, music, etc.

What recreational opportunities do you have?
We have the mountains so there's lots of snowboarding to be done if the weather is good.  There isn't much fun to be had here.  You have to go to L.A. for that.

What do you like about it?
Not much really.  The only reason I'm still here is the familiarity of it and all my friends are here.  Once I get my degree I think I'll leave.

What do you hate about it?
SMOG SMOG SMOG.  Plus the fact that most everyone out here has an attitude and most teenagers seem to think they're gangsters.  

What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
It's hot, dirty, smoggy, and over-developed.  It seems to be cheaper than most other parts of the state though and for good reason.  There are lots of meth labs if you're into that.  

Would you recommend it, and why?
No.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
You'd need to know that you were insane for moving here.  Not much in the way of good jobs here.

How is it different from other places you have been?
It sucks more.  I've lived in N. California and Colorado where people are much friendlier, the air is cleaner and now that I think about it what the hell am I still doing here?  Gotta go pack.


God, please save me . . . from your followers

Los Alamos, New Mexico, USA (none / 0) (#137)
by voxel on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 01:01:13 PM EST

Where do you live?
In the mountains of northern New Mexico...Los Alamos.

Why do you live there?
My parents came here to work at the lab (lanl). I came back here after college to start a software company. I am still here because I have a company here.

What cultural opportunities do you have?
Almost none. There is a lot of history surrounding the creation of the first atom bomb and a lot of interesting research going on but I am not sure that qualifies as a cultural opportunity.
The city of Santa Fe is close though and it is all about art and culture. Its a mix of pueblo indian tribes, spanish colonialism, and old southwest cowboy art/culture.

What recreational opportunities do you have?
The only recreation here is outdoor activities. We are in the mountians so we have hiking, skiing, mountian bike riding, etc.

What do you like about it?
Los Alamos has almost no crime. The people here are all very educated and come from all over the world and across the US.

What do you hate about it?
The town is dead. People are really into their work and do very little else. After 5:00 PM, everything shuts down.

What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
The lab (LANL) really dominates the place. The town is here to house the people who work there. The people here are well educated and prosperous but the town is very boring.

Would you recommend it, and why?
If you like nature, the old southwest, and science, then yes. If you like the excitement and social events, then no.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
A little Spanish would help and don't step on the snakes that make the rattling noise.

How is it different from other places you have been?
It is a very different place. It's kind of like a university without any students.


Fredericton, NB, Canada (4.00 / 2) (#144)
by asreal on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 01:23:35 PM EST

Where do you live?

Fredericton, NB, Canada.

Why do you live there?

I'm currently studying at UNB.

What cultural opportunities do you have?

Like most university towns, there are lots of opportunities. There are loads of drama productions, both on campus and at the Playhouse downtown. There is the Capital Film Society, which features a weekly screening of some artsy movie that didn't make it to the mall uberplex. There is even an anime society. There is a campus/community radio station that allows interested people to get their own show or help out in other ways. Musically, there is everything from the Harvest Jazz and Blues Festival to punk shows featuring local and big name acts to a growing local rave scene. There is one major art gallery, and several smaller independent galleries.

What recreational opportunities do you have?

I probably don't take part in enough, but aside from the cultural activities, Fredericton is located right on a river and in the middle of the wilderness of central New Brunswick... so there is lots of room for kayaking, canoeing, hiking, skiing, hunting, fishing, and so on.

What do you like about it?

Fredericton is an easy town to love in the summer... Loads of trees, beautiful warm weather, and lively enough to keep from getting bored.

What do you hate about it?

First of all, the drainage is horrible. In the winter you can expect to be completely soaked by the time you get where you're going.

Aside from that, the closed-mindedness of a small rural "city" is a problem outside the university. Crime is unusually high for a place of its size, probably because of how poor the area is. If you don't work for the university or the provincial government, chances are you're making minimum wage, which in New Brunswick is $6 per hour.

Finally... clothing is impossible to find here. There was one small boutique downtown that sold stylish clothing, but it stopped selling guys clothes, although my girlfriend still finds a lot there. Other than that, there is American Eagle and Bootlegger in the mall. I wind up ordering a lot of clothing.

What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

Fredericton is a beautiful city, but it can get boring really quickly.

Would you recommend it, and why?

I would recommend it highly to someone looking to get away from an urban center, but I enjoy city living more than Fredericton living.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

Stay away from Prospect Street at rush hour, and pedestrians will expect you to stop for them, even when there isn't a crosswalk.

i trust i can rely on your vote
-asreal

Aarau, Switzerland (none / 0) (#148)
by UberClaude on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 01:38:23 PM EST

Where do you live?
Aarau, a small 16k town. 30 minutes away from zurich.

Why do you live there?
I was born here.

What cultural opportunities do you have?
Not that many. Okay, there's the mainstream and the arthouse cinema, then there's nice cafés and a river to enjoy in summertime. It's not bad, but if you really want to go out, you probably take the train and go to zurich, where you have lots of restaurants, clubs, a nice lake, easy access to all the drugs you like (if you do)...

What do you like about it?
That it's very easy to reach any larger cities by train.

What do you hate about it?
Hmmm. Nothing, really.

What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
The fresh air, the cheese, the chocolate. Ah, and the gold and the watches. And Heidi, of course.

Would you recommend it, and why?
Yes, I would, because if anyone comes here, I could go out with them.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
You just need to know that Switzerland is NOT part of the EU.


Allston/Boston, Massachusetts, USA (4.00 / 1) (#149)
by clarioke on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 01:40:37 PM EST

Where do you live?

Allston, Massachusetts, a neighborhood in Boston.

Why do you live there?

I attended four years of college here and can't afford to move. I understand this is a unique problem, understandable by Bostonians and New Yorkers, as we are the suckers of broker's fees which can be as ridiculous as 10% of your yearly rent.

I love Boston and have a fulltime job at another University which allows me to take courses for free, ultimately culminating in a Master's degree for free.

What cultural opportunities do you have?

What cultural opportunities do you want? As a major city, we've got theatre, art, movies, arcades, whatever your heart desires.

I enjoy Allston's proximity to Cambridge and Harvard Square, myself. There, street performers abound in summer evenings and you can sit and watch without feeling obtrusive to those around you. The kids are generally nice, the adults are mostly tourists trying to cross streets without being hit, with small tots in tow.

Allston itself is overrun with college kids, so the summer is a pretty quiet time. There are a lot of bars (catering to the college kids) and you're never more than a few blocks from a liquor store.

The independent film venues are well worth your time. As well as being able to see some good foreign films, the people you may meet are also worth the ticket price.

What recreational opportunities do you have?

Street Crossing.
Guess Which College He Goes To.
Bar/Club Hopping (blech. stay away from Landsdowne Street and the Tank Top Slut Army. It's overpriced and annoying at best.)
GoodTimes Emporium. It's a huge arcade, with a bar, overrun by some...er... interesting sorts of people. Laser tag is its real appeal.
I'm lucky enough to have a postage-stamp sized front lawn, so summer barbeques are common.
Museum of Science and Aquarium.
Anything free with student ID.

What do you like about it?

I may bitch about it, but ultimately I like the public transportation.

I love the Public Gardens, the Common and the Frog Pond which is a wading pool in the summer and an ice skating rink in the winter.

Christmastime.

Harvard Sq. on warm summer nights.

Middle East (a restaurant/club) at which you can pay eight bucks for many bands. At least ONE of them has to be good and if not... it's still fun.

House of Blues, where it's only 21+ so kids can't sneak in.

North End, an Italian neighborhood with amazing bakeries and restaurants. (My first experience with gelato... yum...) Watching old Italian guys play serious rounds of bocce while emphatically discussing in Italian.

Allston offers a unique spectrum of stores, venues and personalities. As a college town, it has a zillion bars and restaurants. As a neighborhood high in Vietnamese and Brazilian populations, this type of food is also readily available cheaply. A supermarket entirely of asian foods just opened down the street. I love the mix.

What do you hate about it?

Ill-mannered people. I hate snotty college kids who step on my art portfolio on the bus. I hate the guy who parked in front of my driveway, blocking exit and entry. I hate the snow in Boston, which is slushy and not enough to cancel school. I hate the weather extremes. As the city is on the harbor, the summers are extremely humid and the winters are ghastly windy.

What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

A lot of Bostonians are really really rich and that's apparent in a lot of downtown. It's a great little city with some really miserable streets. Everything is one way, no you can't go back the way you came, no you can't get theah from heah and the Yankees Suck so don't even ask.

Would you recommend it, and why?

I recommend Boston to anyone who is not raising a family.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

1. Yankees Suck
2. You're lost. Give up and ask directions.
3. If you're a pedestrian, just cross the street. Don't look just go. They won't hit you; this isn't New York.
4. If you're a driver, stop. Park that sucker now and take the goddamned T (subway). If you're not lost yet, you soon will be and will not understand the directions you're given. "It's all one way, so, go straight through that set of lights, one block left, one block straight, one block right, one block straight and two blocks left. [turns to boyfriend] I think that's right, isn't it honey? Or is he referring to the Cambridge Street in Cambridge?"
5. If you live near Fenway (which we all do, it's a small city) refer to the game schedule early and often to plan your activities.

How is it different from other places you have been?

I've only lived here. My next stop is NYC as far as I can tell. NYC is daunting compared to Boston but it's urban in a very very different way. Boston is very regulated in its business and living space. NYC squishes everything together. Because Allston (my neighborhood) is so very much a college area, half the population changes every few months. This is both good and bad, depending on how much you like your neighbors.

peace,
.c.

Stockholm, Sweden, Europe (3.00 / 1) (#153)
by Mungo on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 01:59:33 PM EST

Where do you live?
Stockholm, Sweden

Why do you live there?
I was born and raised here by Swedish parents. Reasons I still live here? It's a good place to be: safe, clean and liberal.

What cultural opportunities do you have?
Lots and lots I guess. Stockholm being the capital of Sweden, we've got plenty of movie theaters, music venues, clubs and other entertainment spots. We have some world-class museums which bring in exhibits from around the world, but we do lack some good video game arcades.

What recreational opportunities do you have?
Even more... I'm not the outdoorsy type, but Sweden is a beautiful country and Stockholm has a large archipelago which is wonderful this time of year. Stockholm is a city with lots of water, and if you want, you can fish right here in the city center - the water is so clean.
Lots of people take advantage of our nature and go camping, fishing or just hang out whenever the weather is nice.

What do you like about it?
Like I said in the introduction, it's fairly safe, very clean and beautiful. We've arguably got the best health-care system in the world, and it's free for everyone. We've got great schools and educations, also all free, all the way up to college and university levels.

What do you hate about it?
It's very expensive to live here and even more expensive to have fun. VAT (or sales tax) is 25% which makes most kinds of purchases expensive, and eating out is just too expensive to do too much.
Taxes are high in general, but for the most part we get really good benefits from paying them.

What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
Swedish people are shy and hard to get to know - you won't make friends easily here unless you drink a lot (see next issue).
Swedes drink a lot (especially on weekends) and this can be very awkward sometimes whene foreign visitors have to see and endure a Friday night on the town.
On the good side, Swedes are very honest and "real" people. If you do get to know a Swede, chances are you'll have a friend for life.

Would you recommend it, and why?
If you're at all interested in Europe and enjoy clean air and nature, this is a great place to visit. Stockholm's club scene is generally regardest as one of the very best in Europe.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
Swedish. Almost everybody knows and speaks English, but you'll have a hard time getting a job without knowing the language.

-1 too agorocentric (3.00 / 1) (#154)
by MickLinux on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 01:59:58 PM EST

Man, I couldn't resist that.

But really, I've tried to post a couple of different stories that had to do with what it was like in my neck of the woods, and time after time they got shot down under the claim "too UScentric", or "not interested in Lithuania".  

In reality, I have good reason to suspect that the lousy ratings were -1 due to "too positive about the US" or "too moral."  But people don't really want to admit what side of the tracks they're on, because the admission is an inherent admission of wrongness, and so they say "too _ centric."  

Anyhow, I'm going to post this.  

I'm going to get flamed and slammed.

But every so often I have to say what I see.

Let me say this:  in my neck of the woods, it is rural and poor, but there is no great level of fear.  There are powerful immoral people, but the weaker people still strive to be good.  In my neck of the woods, it is possible to live.  In my neck of the woods, there is no obvious mass immorality.  In my neck of the woods, freedom is not disappering.

All those things are related, I think.

In my neck of the woods, I pray, I hope, I think.

I make a call to grace, for the alternative is more broken than you can imagine.

Walnut Creek, CA (3.00 / 1) (#156)
by ucblockhead on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 02:02:41 PM EST

Wow, I'm amazed that no one's piped up from NoCal.

Anyway:

Where do you live?

Walnut Creek, California, a suburb of either Oakland or San Francisco, depending.

Why do you live there?

I'd wanted to move to the SF Bay area for years and had a job opportunity.  I met with my boss in Laffayette, decided I liked the area, and so put down roots in the adjacent city, Walnut Creek.  We liked it enough not to leave.

What cultural opportunities do you have?

In Walnut Creek proper, not a whole lot.  The cultural world here is driven by parents and the local retirement community.  But we're close to both Berkeley and San Francisco, so there's world class theater, opera, symphany, museums within range.

What recreational opportunities do you have?

Lots.  Bike trails within a 1/4 mile of my house.  Hiking trails all over.  Lots of parks.  Lots of pretty stuff to look at on day trips.  The Napa and Sonoma Valleys are less than an hour's drive.  Tahoe skiing is a four hour drive.  You name it, really...

What do you like about it?

See above.  Very low crime.  Good weather.  Lots of trees.  Public transit to the city is convenient.  

What do you hate about it?

The traffic.  The town itself is not very diverse.  (Though you can go to Berkeley or SF for that.)  It can get hot in the summer.  (California 100F dry heat.)  Living expenses are high.  People are a bit complacent.

What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

Unlike a lot of suburbs, Walnut Creek has a good downtown area.  Unlike a lot of cities, the local mall is right down town, and is integrated with downtown area.  It has expanded a bit, so the whole downtown is full of shops and restaurants, and is made for walking around in.  

Would you recommend it, and why?

Yes, if you can afford it.  See above.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

Be prepared to have a smaller house/apartment than you are used to.  Be prepared for restaurants full of children.

How is it different from other places you have been?

Hard to say.  I'm from San Diego.  Most of the differences aren't in Walnut Creek itself, but in the larger area.  I miss not being ten minutes from the ocean...  That's about all I miss.
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Anoka, MN / Madison, WI (none / 0) (#157)
by Supra on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 02:05:24 PM EST

Where do you live?

Anoka in the summer - Madison for the school year

Why do you live there?

I grew up in Anoka (born in Milwaukee, WI) and now I have a job here for the summer (sorta like an internship, but much better). I would like to be spending more of my summer in Madison though.

I go to school at the University of Wisconsin - Madison for Computer Science.

What cultural opportunities do you have?

Well, umm... in Anoka? Not a whole ton, unless you like felling like a "towney" (not that there is anything wrong with being a towney), and like going to the local bars. BTW - Anoka has a fairly small town feel to it, but it has grown to around 15,000 people now with the explosion of the sububs surrounding the Twin Cities area.

Anoka is about 20 minutes from downtown Minneapolis/St. Paul though, and there is plenty of cultural activity there... There is a wonderful Art Institute, the University of course, numerous play-houses, Orchestra Hall (one of the best acoustical environments in the country), and fun summer festivities (as well as winter ones).

Madison is wonderful - a diverse population (fueled largely by the college community). The campus and city are both beautiful, and rather unique for a large city/capital in the US. Madison is nestled between two lakes and makes for fun summers, but windy winters :-). The same cultural activities that are expected of a college town are present here to no surprise.

What recreational opportunities do you have?

In Anoka, the recreational activities are fairly limited, though the Twin Cities Area has many fine parks, golf courses, biking/x-country skiing trails etc. Up north in Minnesota is one of the most beautiful pieces of land in the country (IMHO...), the Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderenss. I have been going there since I was little and have always enjoyed the serenity.

Madison had similar opportunities- Biking, hiking in the surrounding areas, boating/fishing on the lakes, and the night life :-)

What do you like about it?

Anoka - small town feel, with access to a large city setting for a good mix. All in all, a nice "calm" place to live - though that seems to be changing with all of the development and shopping malls going in... AND of course - the Minnesota Twins! I have been watching them since I was little, and its nice to see a home-grown team with a small budget making it in a major way! (ps... sorry though, I am not a Vikings fan - I had to keep my roots on this one and have gone with the Packers since day 1 - I am a wierd sports fan, aren't I? :)

Mad-Town (Madison) - Like I previously stated - its a beautiful place to live, with plenty to do and a wonderful night-life (well, and day-life too)

What do you hate about it?

Anoka (and Minnesota really) - I am way too far from the mountains! My favorite sport is downhill skiing, I love it to death, and go out West every opportunity I get to ski in the winter. I'd love to live there, but I just couldn't afford taking a year off to move out there and be a bum for a while :-)

Madison - aside from the whole being *further* from the mountains, not a whole lot... Though it is pretty expensive to live here, because all of the landlords renting apartments/houses to college students know they can get away with murder.

What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

Anoka - not really anything...

Madison - There is ALWAYS something going on. Just about anything is acceptable there (and the crime is fairly low)

Would you recommend it, and why?

Yes and Yes. Anoka is good if you want a nice suburban feel, though you could find this in many of the suburbs in the country. Madison is a great and fun place to live. Anything goes.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

Anoka - nuthin.
Madison - Be accepting, and learn the wacky roads as quick as possible.

How is it different from other places you have been?

For me, being in Madison is a relatively new experience because the diverse amount of social activities and diverse population, which is a bit different than good ol' Anoka. There aren't mountains - if you like the outdoors like I do, and want access to these kind of extremes, then it can be a bit boring here, since the scenery (though nice for a city) pales in comparison to states like Montana, Colorado, Northern California, Northern Minnesota, Maine, etc...

I have been to Europe before as well, and I really enjoyed the culture 'over there' too. So the usual cultural differences are there (I loved London, and especially Scotland) - sometime I'd like to get over to Germany, France, Italy and Norway too...

I have also been to Mexico (not just the 'vacation' spots, but Reynosa, Ciudad Mier) and the culture is vastly different (as well as the climate!). Thankfully, more Spanish speaking peoples are moving into the upper midwest and the Twin Cities area - its nice to see the population becoming more diverse.

Thats enough for now.

Bellingham, WA, USA (4.00 / 1) (#165)
by frankwork on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 02:21:04 PM EST

Where do you live?

Bellingham, Washington, USA. It's a city of about 65,000 roughly centered between Seattle, WA and Vancouver, Canada.

Why do you live there?

I did a post-bacc program in Vehicle Design at the local university, and pretty much fell in love with the place.

What cultural opportunities do you have?

Vancouver and Seattle, plus the University, a dozen or so live music venues, an artsy cinema, a few small museums. Lots of restaurants and three or four brew pubs.

What recreational opportunities do you have?

A totally incomprehensible (given the city's size) number of parks, Lake Whatcom (popular with jet skis, but also our drinking water source :( ), The San Juan Islands, Mount Baker (snowboard mecca) and the North Cascades in general.

What do you like about it?

It's a fairly compact city by Western US standards, so a ten minute drive in any direction will get you into forest, farmland, or the bay.

A forty minute drive north will get you into downtown Vancouver. On a good day, you can get to Seattle in ninety minutes.

Basically Bellingham is like a small Seattle without the suburbs and without the traffic. And the housing's quite a bit cheaper.

What do you hate about it?

Not a huge selection of high-tech jobs.

What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

The natural beauty is pretty much the best feature.

Also, there aren't tourist attractions per se. All of the attractions are enjoyed by the residents as much as by any tourists.

Would you recommend it, and why?

You'll either love it or hate it. Pay us a visit and find out.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

  • Buy a Subaru or a Volkswagen, or a mountain bike.
  • Keep the Gore Tex handy
  • Get a passport (for visiting Canada)
  • Avoid the Guide Meridian at 5PM on a weekday
  • Bring a quarter to park downtown. That'll buy you an hour
  • Don't even think of parking at WWU, where a quarter will buy you 12 minutes
  • Every few times you drive to Seattle, take Chuckanut Drive instead of the interstate
  • Tony's or Stuart's, not Starbucks
How is it different from other places you have been?

It's pretty much the antithesis of the only other place I've lived alone, in Monrovia, California, USA. This is the hottest suburb of Los Angeles, smoggy, and far away from just about everything remotely cultural/recreational in Southern California.

I've been to Germany maybe a dozen times, as my parents and extended family are from there. You can pretty much make the standard US/European comparisons and they'll all be valid. Same goes for Toulouse, France (which I highly recommend).



I Love LA! (We love it!!!) (4.00 / 2) (#166)
by Yanks Rule on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 02:21:33 PM EST

Where do you live?
Sierra Madre, CA (approx. 15 miles east of Downtown LA. Pasadena is across the street)

Why do you live there?
Born in Pasadena.  Why ask why?

What cultural opportunities do you have?
Anything & everything.

What recreational opportunities do you have?
Ditto.

What do you like about it?
See above.  Also the weather is fan-fucking-tastic!  What's a "cloud" again?  And the women.  Gorgeous.  Beautiful. And most of the time they're even down to earh!

What do you hate about it?
Traffic.  Idiot drivers on the cell phones.  Local news.  Plenty of pretentious assholes/bitches.  Traffic.  It sometimes gets below 60 degrees. (hey, I like shorts)

What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
LA is like the Mercedes commercials (atleast here in US/CA): its not what you expect.  If you know where to look you can find great places to eat/drink/hang/play.  Like a fantasic, 100% authentic (no california rolls here!) sushi restaurant in a strip mall, next to a 99 cent chinese food joint, on Hollywood BLVD.  The mini "little tokyo" on sawtelle on the westside.  The "taco truck" in Pasadena.  Away from all the trendy Sunset strip, 3rd Street Santa Monica, or Oldtown Pasadena hot spots are dozens of low key places that are just as good.

Would you recommend it, and why?
Yes.  See 3 questions above

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
How to use alt routes to avoid traffic.

How is it different from other places you have been?
Everything is spread out.  In NYC or tokyo things are smashed together (not that this is a bad thiing).  In LA you gotta drive, but you get used to it (a 45 minute drive seems like nothing as long as its not stop & go).  But at the same time you can find just about anything you want close by.  Example: plenty of bars in Pasadena, but if you want the hot spots go to hollywood.

In closing, I think a lot of people who don't like LA don't really know it.  Sure, there's plenty of bad things about it.  But that's the same no matter where you go (even a place like hawaii).  But once you realize that it's *different*, not better or worse, you'll love it.

Richard

"I do think we live in dangerous times, and anybody who looks at the world and says this is the time to be a wuss--I can't buy that anymore. " -- Dennis Miller

Charleston, SC USA (none / 0) (#168)
by tofu on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 02:22:38 PM EST

Where do you live?
Charleston, South Carolina. This is a small city in the US located in the southeast on the coast. The American civil war began in this city. here is a map.
Why do you live there?
I went to school here and I have a GREAT job here at MUSC.
What cultural opportunities do you have?
Surprisingly, Charleston has lots of cultral opportunities. It is rich in history and has many things to do. The main event happens every summer and it is called the Spoletto Festival.
What recreational opportunities do you have?
Minor league Baseball, Soccer, Arena Football, Aquarium, Waterparks, Parks and Beaches.
What do you like about it?
Small, but not too small. History. Weather and Beaches.
What do you hate about it?
Small and southern. It is hard to explain the "southern" thing unless you are american. Or have been to the "south" in the US. :) nebben123 would understand.
What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
History. Charleston is old (for an US city) and when you visit the downtown area you are surrounded by lots of history.
Would you recommend it, and why?
Charleston is a great place to visit! It is a very interesting "southern" city. And to me it is always cool be in a city rich in History!
If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
What grits are. And how to eat boiled peanuts.
How is it different from other places you have been?
I can not answer this. I have been to alot of places and most Citys are different from each other. Especially if you are not in the United States.This question is too vague to answer. :)

Athens, Ga. USA (4.00 / 2) (#179)
by Kintanon on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 02:53:50 PM EST


Where do you live?
Athens, Ga. USA, Gaines School Road, Parthenon Apartments.

Why do you live there?
I Simply LOVE the town, I love having the university nearby because it attracts so many interesting people from all over the world, I enjoy the attitude that prevails in downtown and I like the relaxed atmosphere.

What cultural opportunities do you have?
Not even bringing the university into the picture there are 3 decent Martial Arts schools in the area, the Georgia Theatre and the Morton Theatre where various types of plays, films, comedy acts, bands, etc... show up. The 40 Watt club where a LOT of bands play. The botanical Gardens, a breathtaking collection of flowers and plants of all kinds. All of the small shops downtown, even the streets downtown have their own culture and community attached to them.

What recreational opportunities do you have?
Once again, leaving the university out of it... There are parks, nature centers, movie theatres, gaming shops, martial arts schools, the streets downtown, clubs, bars, almost anything you could want.

What do you like about it?
The constant influx of new people.

What do you hate about it?
The frequent problems that the University has with ripping up the streets, moving parking around, doing crazy things that cause lots of nasty traffic during certain times of the day/year. Luckily I take the excellent bus system most places, so I don't have to worry, though I wish the buses ran 24/7.

What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
An incredibly thriving musical scene. There are tons of great local bands.

Would you recommend it, and why?
Yes. Housing is cheap, cost of living is cheap, there are lots of resteraunts you can work at, the university is a good employer, there are a lot of small tech companies moving in to the area, it's really just a great place to be.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
The bus is the best way to travel, if you go into town after 6am, don't bother driving you'll never find a place to park.

How is it different from other places you have been?
It's a lot friendlier than White Marsh, MD. The other town I lived in. My neighbors up there were all raging assholes, a lot of the people I met were very abrasive. It's also nice and warm, averaging around 95F in the summer, and usually not getting too cold in the winter.
Athens also feels less artificial than Baltimore, when I was up there everyone was chasing the suburban dream, down here the focus is usually on enjoying your life and your hobbies, not so much materialistic bent.

Kintanon

Where we live (none / 0) (#180)
by crowbraid on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 02:59:13 PM EST

We live wherever we want. We're full-time RVers, which basically means we live all year in an RV. In our case, it's a small 5th wheel that we pull with a big Dodge diesel. Now, for the rest of the story.

We're mostly in the western US. Arizona in the winter, the Northwest (Oregon & Washington) in the summer. Spring and fall we spend in the mountains or on the coast.

Cultural opportunities are unlimited. We can visit museums and exhibits all over the west, attend concerts, etc. Most of the time, being folks that like the simple life, we don't. Too damned many people.

Recreational opportunities are great! We can sit in national parks for a couple of weeks, state parks, BLM & FS parks, private parks, with each one giving us a different flavor and different things to see and do. And sometimes we just 'boondock' (that's sitting off by ourselves without benefit of hookups).

I'd recommend the lifestyle if you're the type that likes to move around without any real roots.

Good things? See above.

Bad things? Internet access is occasional, there's a lot of assholes out there that are also campers, no regular doctor.

I check the hotmail address above now and then, if anyone wants to learn more.

Grand Rapids, Michigan, USA (none / 0) (#182)
by VanM on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 02:59:39 PM EST

Where do you live?
Grand Rapids, Michigan, nine months a year, three years running.
Why do you live there?
College
What cultural opportunities do you have?
Despite my initial impressions of G.R. being one gigantic suburb with three streets of "downtown," exploration of the city has revealed a few opportunities, anyway. Most summer weekends have some sort of festival. I've been to three: the Mexican Festival, Celebration on the Grand (for the Grand River) and the German Festival. They're pretty much all the same, content-wise, just change who is in attendence and the decorations. Celebration on the Grand has some fun fireworks over the river; it's a must-see for everyone in town.

There are a few museums, but they're small. My personal favorite is the children's museum; we had a dorm dinner and dance there a year ago and the wall devoted to magnetic poetry was a big hit. There's also a pretty decent amount of theatre and opera in town, plus concerts at VanAndel Arena. At Christmas, my school's Oratorio Society puts on Handel's Messiah at DeVos Hall. It's supposed to be a great show and always sells out. There's also the UICA (Urban Institute for Cultural Arts...I think) downtown, which has had some really neat art exhibits and a theater for independent and foreign films. Those are both pretty inexpensive, too. G.R. even has its own River City Improv team; they put on shows maybe once a month or so and are pretty funny.

If you want to talk about diversity, G.R. is slowly accumulating more cultures besides the dominant Dutch immigrant influence.

What recreational opportunities do you have?
Theaters, some parks, Reeds Lake, a cute lake in East Grand Rapids with a four-mile bike/jogging/walking path. It's also good for rollerblading, but a bit hilly, a lesson I learned the hard way (the up parts didn't bother me... the falling down and slamming my unprotected knee into the cement part going downhill did). G.R. now has minor league baseball, football, hockey (and probably basketball) teams, and a women's volleyball team. I'm sure there's more, but I don't keep up with sports too much.

I'm a college student, so I spend most of my time at the coffee shops. Some favorites include Kava House, Four Friends and Common Grounds, and the coffee shop on the Aquinas College campus. Other fun stuff like that would be The B.O.B. (stands for The Big Old Building), a three- or four-story building downtown with a dance club, a comedy club, a few restaurants and whatever goes along with those. There are plenty of bars, some nice, some seedy, most of which I have little to no experience with. If you want mass-produced, neon-American culture, go to 28th Street; all the chains, all the stores, strip malls, etc., can be found here. If you want something cuter, try downtown or Easttown.

Oh, there is also the Frederick Meijer Gardens (G.R. is the home of Meijer, a Super Wal-Mart like store that is taking over the world, I think).
What do you like about it?
At first, very little. The bus system doesn't cover as much as the college students would like and everytime someone said downtown I wanted to laugh. My hometown is tiny, but even I know what a downtown is supposed to look like. It became even more laughable after I spent a month in Germany, visiting places like Berlin. However, once I brought my car up and started driving around, I discovered that it's not so bad. Most of the entertainment is relatively inexpensive, and with at least five colleges or universities just in the city limits, not to mention several within less than an hour's drive, there are always local bands with concerts, cheap plays and college student discounts. We also had a $2 movie theater that I loved, but it went out of business.

It also feels pretty safe, usually. I love the old houses. I guess I also like it because I go to school there, so when I'm out, I'm with friends and we're having a good time no matter what we're doing. People tend to be friendly.

What do you hate about it?
Like I said earlier, the bus system leaves much to be desired, and downtown still confuses me when I'm driving there, but what probably bothers me most is that G.R. has this attitude that it is some important, big city, and it's not. I don't know the population, and it is the second largest city in Michigan, but still, it's much smaller than it pretends. Also, it sprawls. The suburbs extend really far, in proportion to the size of downtown.

What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
If it's 2 a.m. and I suddenly remember that I needed to buy or make a birthday cake for someone, there are three Meijer stores within a 10 minute drive of anywhere in the city. I love coffee shops, and G.R. never runs out of coffee. You want books? There are the big stores (Barnes and Nobles, Schulers) and the second-hand stores.

Oh, and it snows there, a lot. My freshman year, I think it snowed everyday during January, and that's not to mention the snow in November, December, February, March and April. Again, freshman year, the first week of April it snowed about six inches on a Friday night. We got up on Saturday and the sun was shining and the snow was sparkling and melting. It was so beautiful. If you love snow, come to Michigan.

It's also only about a 40 minute drive to Holland State Park on Lake Michigan and maybe an hour to Grand Haven, also on Lake Michigan. That's short enough to give you plenty of time at the beach.

One other thing that sticks out is the number of churches and Christian schools in the area. The Dutch immigrants formed the Christian Reformed Church in the 1800s (or maybe they were part of it in the motherland and brought it over; I can't remember, I'm not Dutch). One thing they're big on is Christian schooling, so it's everywhere. Churches are everywhere, too. Three of the colleges are connected to churches: Calvin College is Christian Reformed; Aquinas is Catholic and Cornerstone University is Baptist.

Would you recommend it, and why?
If you're looking for a very churchy city, G.R. ranks high. As an outsider of sorts, I don't know much about the jobs available there, so I wouldn't even know where to start on that. I probably wouldn't really recommend it to anyone trying to escape suburbia or white middle to upper class America, because that's everywhere. At the same time, it's not that bad of a place, either.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
Be ready for the snow, but don't expect cancellations for many jobs or schools. The midwest had a bunch of snow in Dec. 98-Jan. 99. I wasn't there at the time, but I later learned that my college didn't cancel one day of classes because of the snow. They know how to plow, salt and sand there like nobody's business.

How is it different from other places you have been?
Well, it's bigger than my hometown (pop. 3,000) or my entire county for that matter (pop. 30,000) but it's pretty much a run of the mill, midwestern river city.

San Lorenzo Valley (Santa Cruz mountains, ca.us) (none / 0) (#183)
by jet_silver on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 03:00:38 PM EST

Where do you live? San Lorenzo Valley. It's pretty small so I don't care to be more specific.

Why do you live there? Because that's where I could get a lot of land. My holding is >20 acres (>8 ha) and yet I commute daily to Silicon Valley.

What cultural opportunities do you have? As far as SLV goes, there's an "arts and wine" festival every year in Boulder Creek, but this should actually be called the "Tie-dye and bud" festival. It's 1969 in Boulder Creek and environs, even now. San Francisco is not far away, and they have a pretty good town band.

What recreational opportunities do you have? Like hiking in redwoods?

What do you like about it? Lots of land with no people infesting it. Proximity to all kinds of good stuff. People leave you alone. I've seen red foxes, rabbits, coyotes, wild turkeys and more acorn woodpeckers than I can count, from my living room.

What do you hate about it? Santa Cruz bureaucrats and stupid voters.

What qualities really stand out? (good or bad) The road periodically gets covered by landslides, and for a couple of days at a time you're stuck where you are. The power company (PG&E oka Pacific Flicker, Flash and Fizzle) sucks large moose units, and the power's out for days at a time when it rains. OTOH, when you're stuck, no one comes "handing tickets out for God".

Would you recommend it, and why? If you don't mind splitting your own wood, sure. It's just lovely.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know? Slower traffic use turnouts. Please. If you are not accustomed to cornering at speed you are definitely slower traffic.

How is it different from other places you have been? The trees are very tall, the people are very self-reliant and there isn't much whining.


"What they really fear is machine-gunning politicians becoming a popular sport, like skate-boarding." -Nicolas Freeling

Hanover, PA, USA (none / 0) (#185)
by firstnoel on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 03:02:59 PM EST

Where do you live?

Hanover, PA.  It's in the South-central part of Pennsylvania, near the PA-Maryland line.

Home to Utz Potato Chips, Snyder's of Hanover Pretzels, Wege Pretzels...

Why do you live there?

Born here, raised here, and gol'darnit I'm gunna die here.  

What cultural opportunities do you have?
We have 2 theatres, both are community run.  Gettysburg is 12 miles away, so Civil War stuff is all over the place.

Harrisburg (state capital) to the north, Philadelphia to the east, Baltimore/Washington Area to the south.   Take your pick, all well within driving range.

What recreational opportunities do you have?

Hersheypark (amusement park) is also within driving range.

There's a half empty lake (due to a drought) to hike around.

We do have a good bar KClinger's.  Hundreds of different beers, and good food.

What do you like about it?
I'm pretty much left alone, it's big enough that you don't know everyone. But small enough that it's not overpowering.

What do you hate about it?
People here aren't the friendliest.  I get the impression from many of the people that they wouldn't even bother to piss on you if you were on fire.  This probably isn't true, but the people tend to keep to there own.

What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

The potato chips are good.

Would you recommend it, and why?
It's a fairly good place to raise kids, safe, clean, jobs.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
When someone says 'It's all!'. That means that there is no more available.

Notre Dame and Penn State are the 2 big colleges that people support.  

How is it different from other places you have been?
It's a small town, plain and simple.


Calgary, Alberta, Canada (none / 0) (#187)
by anon868 on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 03:05:14 PM EST

Where do you live? See the subject...

Why do you live there?
Got a job here, after I graduated from school in a small town near Lethbridge.

What cultural opportunities do you have?
Hmm, of course, there's Stampede, every summer, wich is basically a big rodeo and fair, and everyone gets to wear jeans to work during Stampede week. We have a university, some theater if you're into that kind of stuff. Many Calgarians are actually from elsewhere, it can be normal for everyone you work with to have came from elsewhere.

What recreational opportunities do you have?
There's some great parks within the city, including Nose Hill park & Fish Creek park, both of which are huge, Nose Hill park is actually fairly close to downtown. There's a few small lakes. Of course there's Banff and Kaninaskis within a short drive of Calgary, so there's lots of hiking, mountain biking, and skiing. There's even a (tiny) ski hill inside the city limits (Canada Olympic Park, '88 olympics were held there) & you can go skiing for an hour after work if you want. And some big ski hills, within 2 hours of calgary. Basically, the kind of out-doorsy stuff you get with mountans, wilderness & no ocean.

What do you like about it?
Hmm, you're so close to nature- Banff and the rocky mountians are only a hour drive from here. I've seen the Swiss alps, and they're nothing compared to the rockies. I can look out my window at work and see the mountians. An hour drive south takes you into the plains and farming country as far as the eye can see. The streets are semi-logically laid out & once you get the hang of the 'big' roads it's easy to get around.
Calgary 'feels' like a Canadian city should feel. And it's a pretty high tech place. I don't know about the job market right now, but it has been good in the past. When oil's doing good, the many oil companies in Calgary are spending money like crazy & they're pretty high tech, so they're a pretty good place for computer geeks like myself. Of course, when the price of oil drops, you better have some good savings...
Oh, and when traffic's not bad you can literally drive from one end of the city to the other in less than 1/2 hour.
Low crime, 10-20 murders per year (for a city of almost a million).
Basically, small town kind of life in a semi-big city.

What do you hate about it?
The weather. Not as bad as Edmonton, but there are many many months (oct to may or june) of COLD SNOWY weather. -30 (celcius, close to -30 farenheit) in January is normal. For a week or two, +30 in the summer is normal too which sucks if you don't have an air conditioner.
Traffic. It's bad around 7:30-8AM & 4:30-5:30 PM (bad of course being subjective. We only have 4-5 really big roads, it's just that everyone uses them to go to work and home)
Pollution. Most people will tell you the air's pretty clean here, but the last few years, downtown on a summer day the sky has this habbit of turning brown. And of course if there's forest fires up north, we get the smoke here.

What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
How spread out it is. Basically a concentrated downtown surrounded by housing divisions all the way to the edge of the city. The mountians, because you can see them from the city.

Would you recommend it, and why?
Yes, but ONLY if 9 months of (sometimes extreme)cold and snow doesn't bother you. Primarilly because you're so close to nature.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
Don't by a house on lynwood ridge, unless you really like lead in your dirt. If you work downtown, leave for work really early on the day of stampede parade. Our 'hood' is in the NE, but it's probably better than many cities good areas.

How is it different from other places you have been?
Can't say. Other than the tiny town I grew up in I've only lived here.
Open a window. No, not that one! One made from actual glass, set in an acual wall, you dork.

Madison, Wisconsin - USA (none / 0) (#191)
by drcreations on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 03:09:20 PM EST

Where do you live?/

Madison - Wisconsin - USA

Why do you live there?

Great Job - I am the CTO of an advertising agency here. Madison has the lowest unemployment rate in the entire United States. (Money Magazine)
Plus the cultural environment is outstanding.

What cultural opportunities do you have?

Madison offers a very diverse cultural experience in almost any venue. We have EVERY type of food places imagineable. The Civic Center on State Street has many cultural presentations on a weekly basis. Also, we have a sort of World Food Taste week, where all different kinds of ethnic groups get together and make their cuisines for the public.

What recreational opportunities do you have?

Summer=Any type of outdoor activity you can think of.
Winter=Same

What do you like about it?

Madison is a very laid-back type of city. I have lived all around the US and I have to say that Madison gets my vote. Thats why I have choosen to stay here. Some people will say that there isn't much to do at night, well ... these people haven't really taken State Street for what its really worth. There is always something going on.

What do you hate about it?

Absolutely Nothing

What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

Good (job)= If your in the business world, Madison tends to be a very incestous arena. Once you work for a Key player in any field of business, your guaranteed a job if you choose to move to take a different position.
Good (city life)= There isn't one thing you can't get exposure to here. The big city of Chicago is just 2 hours away, and the country with its rivers and rolling meadows is really only 15 minutes outside of town, in any direction.
Good (single life)= Madison again, is a very liberal city. People love to talk, laugh, drink, drink, and drink. Also, because of UW-Madison, for you guys out there - LOTS OF GIRLIES!
Good (married life)= Seriously, Madison is a very romantic town. If my wife and I wanted to go out on a date every week, as it should be, we would have something different to do for maybe ...oh... 6-10 years. Always something different.
Bad (everything)= We don't have too many hookers. Oooops, i guess this would be good thing.

Would you recommend it, and why?

This is relative to as the lifestyle you like to live. Before I got married, which is my second marriage, I was pretty wild. Lot's of afterbar parties, lots of GIRLIES, lot's of drugs, blah..blah...blah. Now that I have settled down, I look at this town and say - wow, I can grow old here, watch my kids grow up in great schools, and still have a lot of fun.

If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

Seriously - NOTHING

How is it different from other places you have been? I can tell you of places that it resembles - to me this is:

  • San Fran = why - same laid back atmosphere
  • San Diego= why - Awesome Food
  • Seatle = why - State Street at night

    It's really the best of both worlds in the terms of Big City life and Country life. All in the same minute (seriously) you can smell the exhaust of hundreds of motor vehicles and then get a whiff of fresh cow manure (poop).

  • Victoria, BC, Canada (none / 0) (#194)
    by nnod on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 03:15:16 PM EST

    Where do you live?
    Victoria, BC, Canada

    Why do you live there?
    Went to school at the university here and I liked the city so I settled down.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?
    I haven't really explored much of that. There are some good restaraunts.

    What recreational opportunities do you have?
    Being on the west coast there is something to do year-round. Snowboarding in the winter at either Mt. Washington (3 hours away) or Whistler/Blackcomb etc if you take the ferry to Vancouver. It's even mild enough to mt. bike in the winter, and when there's snow it makes it that much more fun. In the summer the camping, mt. biking and water sports are unbeatable.

    What do you like about it?
    Victoria is a beautiful city situated at the bottom of Vancouver Island, right on the water. I don't own a car so I rely on my bike to get around. This is relatively painless because most of the streets are wide and the city is quite small. People are nice and I rarely feel unsafe at night.

    What do you hate about it?
    Well, if you're like me and you bike everywhere, you won't like wind very much - unless it's at your back. Victoria is windy all the time.

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
    Transit system is good although it doesn't run very late. Loads of recreation. Beautiful landscape.

    Would you recommend it, and why?
    Yes, but not neccessarily Victoria. Instead, come check out the west coast in general. You'll love it.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
    Car insurance is pretty high in BC, nobody likes the provincial government right now (give them time!) Everyone is laid back.

    How is it different from other places you have been?
    I've travelled down the west coast into Mexico by car, Hawaii, and most recently a stint in S.E. Asia for 5 months. The major difference is the moderate climate we enjoy. In Asia it's hot all the time, whether its raining or not. Here you have warm summers and cool winters. It rains a lot in the fall, winter and spring. But you'll get used to it.


    The UP of Michigan (none / 0) (#198)
    by chorizo on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 03:21:57 PM EST

    Where do you live?

    I live in Houghton, Michigan. Michigan is in two chunks, the northern one (the one that dosen't look like a mitten) is referred to as the "UP" for "Upper Penninsula".

    If you hold up your right hand in front of you, palm up, with your left hand perpendicular so your ring fingers are touching, it kind of looks like Michigan. I live in the joint of your left thumb, in what's called the Keeweenaw Penninsula, surrounded by Lake Superior.

    Lots of times the entire UP is cut off of maps of the U.S.

    Bastards.

    Why do you live there?

    I grew up here, went to school here, and then moved away. Now my wife is back her getting her PhD, so I've got a few more years to live here, which is both good and bad.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?

    It's a town of about 10,000 or so counting students, so with another town across a bridge with 5,000 or so people. So it's pretty small.

    But the school has a pretty large international population, so there are a lot more things going on in Houghton than other comparably sized towns in the UP - local bands, small theaters, a couple of restaurants. Could be worse.

    However, the closest real "city" would be Green Bay, Wisconsin or Duluth, Minnesota, both of which are about 200 miles away. Chicago is about 8 hours, the Twin Cities are 6, and Detroit, in the same state, is a ten hour drive.

    What recreational opportunities do you have?

    There are dozens of small lakes around, not counting the massive Lake Superior which surrounds us. Lots of fishing, hunting, camping, biking, beaches, etc. Plus, we get 300+ inches of snow for 6 months of the year which means lots of snow activities.

    And Finnish saunas. You haven't lived until you've sat in a 220 degree steam room and run into a freezing lake or rolled around in the snow.

    What do you like about it?

    See most of the above. It's quiet, cheap to live here, beautiful, low crime, college town (albeit not a great one), enough things to do. The distance filters out lots of the annoying tourists.

    What do you hate about it?

    The stereotypical "yooper" is kind of ignorant and not interested in the outside world. Isolation, lack of a lot of big-city amenities like restaurants. Can't order pizza at 4 in the morning. Lots of snow, cold in the winter. We're much more like Wisconsin than a part of Michigan.

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

    People are nice, even if some are closed-minded - they'll help you out even if they think you're a weirdo. Lots of people come here for school and love it and never leave. The local culture is really fascinating, unlike any other place I've been. Kind of like the movie Fargo, but different.

    Would you recommend it, and why?

    I'd recommending visiting here, I don't know if I could recommend living here. There are still lots of places where you can't get cell phone coverage.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

    1. The Red Wings and Packers are holy.
    2. Bring warm clothes. And boots.
    3. Your car is going to totally rust away with all the road salt.
    4. Lake Superior is HUGE. And COLD.
    5. Nobody dresses up. At all. For anything.
    6. People leave their doors unlocked at night. Some even leave their car keys in the ignition.
    7. Locals eat pasties with ketchup, not gravy.
    How is it different from other places you have been?

    It's much smaller, isolated, and more bizarre. I've lived in Ann Arbor, Michigan (my favorite city), Flagstaff, Arizona, and spent a lot of time in lots of other places. I love the UP and I hate the UP. I want to move away but I'll always come back here.

    Kaysville, Utah, USA (none / 0) (#212)
    by snodgrass on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 03:39:30 PM EST

    Where do you live?

    About 30 miles from Salt Lake City (where the 2002 Winter Olympics were held). I guess technically I live in a suburb of Salt Lake.

    Why do you live there?

    Born and raised here and haven't been motivated enough to move yet.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?

    Well, there are plenty of historical (founding of the Old West type) places for me to go (museums, monuments, etc). And since Utah was founded by Mormon pioneers, there are a lot of religious type monuments and things. We're starting to get more culture here: jazz clubs, a couple of museums, various theaters.

    What recreational opportunities do you have?

    Oh there's a lot of stuff. I live within 30 miles of 4 ski resorts. I live about 5 hours from Moab (one of the most popular places for off-roading in the world). I'm 5 minutes from the base of the Wasatch mountains (an arm of the Rocky Mountains) where there is hiking, camping, mountain biking, etc. I'm about 45 minutes from the Bonneville Salt Flats where various land speed records have been set.

    What do you like about it?

    The mountains! Not just up north, either, I live about 4 hours from some of the most beautiful scenery anywhere!

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

    It's a beautiful place. There is some suburban sprawl in northern Utah, but there are some natural barriers (mountains) that keep it from spreading too far.

    Utah is a desert, so it's hot (~100F) and dry (we've had 1 rainstorm in the last 30 days) in the summer and cold in the winter...but we get good snow. :)

    Would you recommend it, and why?

    If you are going to come and whine and complain about how you can't get good beer, or porn, or <insert addiction>, then you'd probably be happier somewhere else. The state was founded by a church with strict moral standards, so there are a lot of things that you just can't get here. Otherwise, it's a great place to live!

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

    Skiing is more expensive for residents (at least, last time I checked). There is a very strong religious presence here. It is the headquarters for a large international church, and as such things are a little less "free" than other places (personally it doesn't bother me at all, but it really bugs some people, so I thought I'd mention it).

    And oh yeah, we're in a drought right now. I wouldn't move here this year and probably not next year, either. If we don't get our snowpack this winter we'll be rationing water next summer, so life is going to be a little stressful.

    Montreal, Quebec (4.25 / 4) (#213)
    by trener on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 03:39:53 PM EST

    Where do you live?
    Montreal, Quebec.

    Why do you live there?
    Great music scene, and I scored a pretty cool job after graduation.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?
    There's no end.
    The music scene here is definitely one of the most innovative in Canada. As far as electronic music goes, Montreal can't be beat. Montreal is very well known for it's experimental/minimal techno scene, and hosts the biggest experimental music festival (Mutek) of it's kind in North America.
    Apart from that, Montreal has some of the best cuisine in Canada, is renowned as a fashion centre, has great museums and art houses (big and small), and has an incredible theatre programme. Symphonies, Operas, etc... it's all here.

    What recreational opportunities do you have?
    Summers are basically non-stop festivals from May until August. Mutek, Jazz Fest, Blues Fest, Just for Laughs, Fireworks Competition, Film Fest, African Nights, Francofolies. Plus these crazy bastards shut down St.Laurent at the drop of a hat (fashion show, street sales, electronic music festivals), so yeah, there's -always- something to do during the summer.
    The clubs are pretty cool and get a lot of big names, and the bars are great. Lots of live music, and a lot of different bars for whatever mood you might be in. In the winter (I'm told), there's some decent skiing an hour or two away.

    What do you like about it?
    I just like the vibe Montreal has about it. I don't get the feeling of a 'big city' when I'm living in Montreal, although it's still got all of the 'big city' things going for it. I think a big part of it is that Montreal's downtown isn't huge, and isn't entirely offices/skyscrapers. There's a lot of convenient, reasonably cheap (but still nice) housing in and around the downtown area that kind of give it a bit more of a cozy vibe.

    What do you hate about it?
    Not much, truthfully.
    Every now and then I'll either get stopped in the street by some old french guy muttering about separatism, or by some old english guy bitching about the french guys muttering about separatism, but.. that's more funny than annoying. Maybe I'm missing something, but separatism seems kind of dead to me.
    Oh yeah, and if you've got a car, sell it. Parking is a bitch.

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
    Beautiful women. That's the first thing people comment on after an afternoon in Montreal.
    Montreal is also a very 'dressed up' city, I find. Very much a fashionable city.

    Would you recommend it, and why?
    Absolutely.
    I love it here.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
    Live near downtown. There's no reason not to.
    You don't need to know French.
    But get used to people saying stuff to you in a weird language until you go 'huh' enough for them to figure it out that you're english. (Usually, they don't mind - besides, you'll pick the language up quickly enough if you try).

    How is it different from other places you have been?
    It feels alive.
    Everywhere else I've lived has felt.. I don't know how to describe it better than saying "tired." Worn down. Like it's all just not really worth the effort. Montreal feels like it's still got something going on.

    Palo Alto, California, USA (none / 0) (#219)
    by molo on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 03:54:49 PM EST

    Where do you live?

    Palo Alto, California, USA.  The origins of the Silicon Valley, home of Stanford University.

    Why do you live there?

    I was looking for work after graduating from a school in upstate New York, and found a company here.  Odd, but just as everyone was leaving due to the .com bubble bursting, I find a job and move in.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?
    What recreational opportunities do you have?

    Within the town, there's a couple non-mainstream movie theaters, a good number of ethnic restauraunts, plenty of small shops, used book stores, etc.  On the Stanford campus, there are multiple large libraries, art and archeology exhibits, concerts, and so on.

    In the surrounding area, there's the Shoreline Ampitheater for concerts, sports events and conferences in San Jose, hiking to the west (hiking along the San Andreas fault was neat), and the Pacific Ocean further to the west.

    We're only about 40 minutes from San Francisco here (without traffic), and there's plenty to do there as well.  That would be an article in itself.

    What do you like about it?

    I'm employed.  I can walk 15 minutes to work.  The weather is great - no rain for 9 months of the year, no snow, low humidity, plenty of sun.  Good geeky contingent: places like Fry's Electronics, plenty of "high-tech" employers.  There isn't an emphasis on appearance like the east coast.  That is, you can show up to work unshaven, wearing a t-shirt, shorts, and sandals, and no one gives it a second thought.  Don't try that in New York.

    What do you hate about it?

    I miss New York's food.  Bagels and pizza here are an abomination, and there arn't any good Hunan Chinese restauraunts.

    People here CANNOT DRIVE.  Granted, its not entirely thier fault - the California system is broken.  This could be a rant all its own, so I won't go into it here.

    Things here are too slow-paced.  Its annoying.  Being layed-back is good most of the time, but I still want good service, damnit.

    My fiance hates it.  She hasn't been able to find a Human Factors job here, so she's been doing temp work.  The people she has been working with/for are just morons - seems to be a product of California's horrible school system.

    Its REALLY EXPENSIVE to live here.  $1200 a month for a 500 sq.ft. 1-bedroom apartment is just too much.  $2.05 for gasoline (I know, Europe is worse).  Pretty much everything except fruits and vegetables are about 10-20% more expensive than the east coast.   Add 8.25% sales tax too.  I don't think we'll ever be able to buy a home near here.

    The climate is semi-arid.  Its green in the winter (rainy season), and everything dries up and dies for the rest of the year.  I don't like that part much.  Before moving here, I didn't know why they always have so many brushfires in California.

    Oh, and we havn't met any real friends out here.  The people at my job are older, at a different place in life.  The people at her jobs are stupid.  We need to get out more.

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

    Good: Weather.
    Bad: Cost of living.

    Would you recommend it, and why?

    For a short time, yes.  For the long term, no.  I can't imagine trying to buy a home here and raising kids here.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

    Um, don't drive a rental truck on I-80 from New York to Califonia if you can avoid it.  Its not fun.

    How is it different from other places you have been?

    More expensive, more geeky, more non-whites (diversity = good).  Previous residencies:

    Northern New Jersey (near New York City)
    Rochester, New York (upstate, near Buffalo)

    Rochester sucks.  Don't ever go there.  Another rant, another time.  Jersey I have mixed feelings about.


    --
    Whenever you walk by a computer and see someone using pico, be kind. Pause for a second and remind yourself that: "There, but for the grace of God, go I." -- Harley Hahn

    Bergen County, NJ, USA (none / 0) (#221)
    by ajschu on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 03:56:58 PM EST

    I go to school in Virginia, and I have lots to say about that, but I'm going to put it in another comment.

    Where do you live?
    I live in a small-ish (around 6000 people) suburb of NYC in northern Bergen county. I'm a three minute drive from the border with NY State and about a 25 minute drive from the George Washington Bridge.

    Why do you live there?
    My parents both grew up and lived in the area; my brother, sister and I actually all went to the same high school where my dad and his brother and sister went. We were once very close to moving to Florida (about 12 years ago), but my Dad chickened out, preferring to stay here with friends and family.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?
    The city that never sleeps. Need I say more?

    What recreational opportunities do you have?
    There are great parks in the area, softball leagues, and malls. I'm going to go the stereotypical Jersey route here and say I love the malls. I love the smell of commerce in the morning! Naturally, there's also the Jersey shore, where I spend a minimum of two weeks every summer.

    What do you like about it?
    Everything I could ever want to do is within driving distance. (Almost) all of my friends live here.

    What do you hate about it?
    The people. There's such a rampant streak of one-upsmanship in my town that it completely turned me off to the area. I left for Virginia (see my other comment) to go to school. I've since realized the error of my ways, and I'll be moving back here when I graduate. I've gotten good at ignoring the one-upsmanship.

    What qualities really stand out?
    To me, it was always the feeling of "I'm better than you" that I got from the wealthier people in town, but as I've gotten older, it's not nearly as overwhelming.

    Would you recommend it, and why?
    I wouldn't live anywhere else.

    AJS



    Harrisonburg, VA, USA (none / 0) (#222)
    by ajschu on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 04:07:53 PM EST

    I already wrote about my real home in another comment. I only live in Harrisonburg during the school year (and only for two more years).

    Why do you live there?
    I'm only there for the education. I decided to go to JMU when I got fed up with my hometown and wanted something completely different.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?
    Whatever the University decides to offer. Unfortunately, the nearest "cultural" center is about an hour's drive (in Charlottesville), and it takes about two hours to get to DC. Cultural opportunities do not exist in Harrisonburg.

    What recreational opportunities do you have?
    Again, pretty much whatever the University offers. The bars and clubs in the area belong more or less to the fraternity/sorority crowd, which rules me out, and those that don't are overrun by toothless redneck hicks (not flamebait, just personal experience).

    What do you like about it?
    The scenery made me fall in love in the first place, and the quality of the school made me stay. Even if you don't live there, you really must see the Shenendoah Valley some day.

    What do you hate about it?
    The complete lack of cultural opportunities outside of the University. The fact that I need to drive two hours to reach a major metropolitan center. The smell.

    Would you recommend it, and why?
    If you're looking for a good school in a beautiful setting, strongly consider JMU. If you're looking for a place to live, avoid it like the plague.

    How is it different from other places you have been?
    Polar opposite of my hometown.

    AJS



    Sweet home.. (none / 0) (#225)
    by tarpy on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 04:08:39 PM EST

    I have to say that of all the stories I've read on K5 so far, I really like this topic...got a lot of good information on places I've not been to yet, but would like to go...and that's always helpful!

    Where do you live?
    America's "Second" (and in my opinion best) City, Chicago. Although technically, I live in Chicago-land (Skokie), but I live about 2 blocks from the actual incorporation limits.

    Why do you live there?
    Couple of reasons:

    • S.O.
    • Didn't want to live in NoCal anymore
    • I had lived here before and loved it
    • I'm from the Midwest and find it very comfortable to live in this big city
    What cultural opportunities do you have?
    The question would be better phrased "what cultural opportunities do you NOT have?" We have a plethora (and I know what a plethora is :)A small list would include:
    • The Art Institute (Quite possibly the greatest art museum outside of The Louvre)
    • The Field Museum (A great natural history museum)
    • M.O.S.I. (Although, having grown up in Columbus, Ohio, I still consider C.O.S.I. to be a better science museum.)
    • Shedd Aquarium (I love the fishies...)
    • Lincoln Park Zoo
    • C.S.O. (One of the top five symphonies in the world)
    • Lyric Opera (As a man on Grafton Street in Dublin said to a friend and I after overhearing our argument whether or not Chicago is a hole, "Young men, any city that has the Lyric Opera just cannot be considered a "hole")
    What recreational opportunities do you have? What do you like about it?
    People are nicer here than in Silicon Valley (where I last lived), it's cheaper to live here, O'Hare International Airport (it's nice to be able to fly pretty much anywhere in the world in under 20 hours). And of course, Roe and Gary on the 50,000-watt mo-fo

    What do you hate about it?
    Crime (anyone want a beatdown?), traffic is pretty bad, there's no good way to get from the north side of the city (from say Evanston/Skokie to Arlington Heights) to other northwest suburbs except via surface roads, the extremely corrupt George Ryan (Illinois' Governor), Richard Daley (yes, he's one of those Daleys), Jesse Jackson, and the sprawl.

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
    Magnificent public transportation, the extremely corrupt political system (as they say, when you vote in Chicago, "vote early, and vote often"), all the ethnic neighborhoods and the good food that goes along with it.

    Would you recommend it, and why?
    Yes. It's one the friendliest places to live, and you can do anything you would ever want to do.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know? How to correctly top a hot-dog, how to eat real pizza, how to give "the wave" while driving, and a fine sense of humility (Chicago is one of the least-snobby places I've ever lived)

    How is it different from other places you have been?

    It's the mid-westerner's mid-west. It's got the most diversity I've ever seen in a city (and that goes for even NYC), it's unassuming (none of the self-aggrandizing crap that you get from LA or NYC), it's on the Lake, and I can actually drive to my parents instead of flying :)


    Sir, this is old skool. Old skool. I salute you! - Knot In The Face

    Houston, Texas (none / 0) (#228)
    by StackyMcRacky on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 04:13:57 PM EST

    Where do you live?

    Houston, Texas

    Why do you live there?

    i moved here after i graduated because of all the biotech and medical research going on (i was a microbiologist at the time). i'm still here because i think people in dallas are too snobby, austin is too slacky, and i really can't think of any place else i'd like to live. now that i've fallen madly in love, i'll never leave - the bf's mechanic (he races, and needs a good mechanic) and kung fu master live here.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?

    not as many as you think. houston has museums, ballet, opera, etc, but it's all kind of "eh". i think NYC ruined me. anyway, houston likes to think it's the cosmopolitian city, but it isn't. it's an oil town.

    What recreational opportunities do you have?

    plenty, when it's not insanely hot. there are nice places to walk, bike, picnic, there's ok beaches not too far...but most of the time it's too hot & humid to go outside.

    What do you like about it?

    the people (you are accepted here whereever you go). the variety of resturants. the trees. the lack of state income tax.

    What do you hate about it?

    the humidity. the roads. the crap shopping (i was spoiled by Dallas and NYC). the way people refuse to believe that this is not a cosmopolitian city. the lack of free activites (festivals, etc).

    What qualities really stand out?

    bad: the refineries, the constant construction, the humidity!

    Would you recommend it, and why?

    i'm not too sure about recommending it. it takes a certain kind of person to enjoy living here.

    If I were to move there, what would i really need to know?

    a/c is your friend. there is no public transport. don't expect a nice clear-water beach. wear sunblock all-year



    Jupiter, Florida (none / 0) (#238)
    by jerk40 on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 04:39:59 PM EST

    Where do you live?
    North of West Palm Beach. That's right Palm Beach County. The most screwed up county in the nation.
    Why do you live there?
    It's where I grew up. Saving money to go to grad school outside Paris, France.
    What cultural opportunities do you have?
    We've got some culture due to the Palm Beachers and their efforts but Miami is only an hour and a half and Orlando is only two hours. Not too far to go if need be.
    What recreational opportunities do you have?
    Tons, anything you can think of is in Miami and Orlando plus we've got great fishing and hunting. And the most golf courses of any county in the world.
    What do you like about it?
    The weather, beach, ocean, the vast amount of attractive women.
    What do you hate about it?
    It's really hot in the summers and there are too many old people. Traffic is a nightmare in the winter. It's dangerous b/c old people do not pay attention when on the road. Also cost of living is kinda high. And you have to deal with a lot of crazy people that live in this state and especially this county.
    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
    The amount of beautiful women. It is an amazing sight. Can't imagine how many hot females live here. The weather allows for year round golf.
    Would you recommend it, and why?
    Oh yeah. Great combination of weather and activities.
    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
    Be prepared for anything, including the occasional visit from Jesse Jackson. It rains every afternoon in the summers for about 20 minutes then is gone.
    How is it different from other places you have been?
    Lived downtown Chicago for a few years and everything here is more spread out. You have to drive everywhere. left Chicago b/c I had had enough of the winters and couldn't stand commuting through the snow.


    And the first one from Mexico (none / 0) (#239)
    by nemomty on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 04:40:25 PM EST

    Where do you live? I live in Monterrey in the state of Nuevo Leon in Mexico, a city with about 8 million people. (yes, we do have states too). Additional comment: It always amazes me how little geographic sense the "americans" have. I´ve lived in a couple of US cities and when we start talking about stuff like this (Where u from, etc), they show a COMPLETE lack of knowledge about the neighbor country besides Tijuana, Cancun, Mexico City and Tequila
    Why do you live there? I studied here at the Instituto Tecnologico y de Estudios Superiores de Monterrey, something like the "Monterrey Institute of Technology and Advanced Studies", which is touted as the best private school in Latin America (as far as engineering and science goes). I graduated two years ago and I am now working at a medium cement products manufacturing plant called Cemix, redesigning the IT & Communications Infrastructure. I´m originally from Santa Ana, Sonora(yup, another state) a small town of 20k inhabitants located 60 miles south of Nogales, AZ.
    What cultural opportunities do you have? Monterrey is actually a metropolitan area comprised of six cities: Apodaca (mainly industrial parks), Escobedo (industrial parks and workers mostly), Santa Catarina (industrial parks too), San Nicolas (where the Univeristy of the state resides, some nice residential complexes, but a lot of industry too),San Pedro (the municipality with the highest income per capita of Mexico, where the shopping malls and all the imported cars agencies are) and finally Monterrey (the capital of the state and where most of the attractions, museums and historical places reside). As you probably imagine, this city is oriented towards industry, so the cultural aspect is not always what people take with them when they visit. However, Monterrey is home to the best Museum of Modern Art in Mexico, the best University in Mexico (my school) with all the thing that implies (Classical music concerts, theater, etc). In the aspect of local culture and folklore, Monterrey is always viewed, at least in Mexico as a bunch of loudmouthed "norteños" (people of the north), with a well established fame of being so cheap. But I do know some fabulous and renowned local artists that give this city some culture and artistry.
    What recreational opportunities do you have? Well, theres things for every taste in Monterrey. From racing (C.A.R.T. opens its season here), acuatic and theme parks (Sesame Street Park), a LOT of movie theaters, two professional Soccer team stadiums, theaters, concert venues, very good restaurants, etc. And also whorth mentioning: a two hour drive to Laredo or McAllen, TX.
    What do you like about it? Well, I really dont like this city a lot. However, one of the things I like the most is the globalization tendency of its latest governors. They are really trying to make this city a beacon of progress in Mexico. But they have to overcome decades of bad governments, culture and idiosincracies that, sadly, most mexicans have. But see this happening in the not to distant future.
    What do you hate about it? Police and public transport. It sucks. I have had two or three encounters with the law (nothing big, just a couple of traffic infractions on a street where the speed limit is 30 kph (about 16 mph), and that is way slower than the street is made for, I mean, is the third longest street here, and I was doing about 50 kph) and the cops made such a big deal over it. Well, sorry about my rant, but I just hate most mexican police. About public transport, its dirty, smelly and with some reckless drivers aboard. Last year, there were about 2 accidents per day, resulting in about 25 people dead (20 in a bus in which the driver thought he could beat the train). But anyway, I think im painting a very grim picture of Monterrrey. Let me tell you life here is not that bad, but those things just pop into my mind when i talk about what i dont like.
    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad). The impressive work being done to make this city, the most modern and clean city in Mexico.
    Would you recommend it, and why? Well. It depends. If you want to study as an exchange student, the ITESM is truly a good choice to learn more about the education level in Mexico (I find that the foreign students that come here, go back very surprised of the level and quality of the education, which, in many cases is better than their schools). If you want to work, there is also a lot of international companies with presence in Monterrey. If you want to visit, there is enough things to do for a couple of weeks. In the night you can go to a lot of clubs located in San Pedro in the "Centrito" area. There are a lot of bars too.
    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know? You should not be vegetarian. People here are passionate about eating meat and the local beer (The biggest beer factory in Mexico is here). :) But dont worry, we know some vegetables too. You should be able to handle extreme changes in the wheater, sometimes we have a 105° F and the next day its raining and with a temperature of 60° F. There is a saying that I heard the first months I lived here: "You dont like Monterrey´s weather ?. Dont worry, it wont be the same tomorrow"
    How is it different from other places you have been? Every city is different, like I said before I dont like this city a lot, but it gives me a place to work and live. The good friends I have made here (mostly from other states, that came here to study) make living here bearable for me. Dont get me wrong, I know a lot of people that love this city, I´m just giving my personal opinion.

    Memphis, Tennessee (none / 0) (#240)
    by Mzilikazi on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 04:44:44 PM EST

    (Sorry, this ended up being much longer than I expected.)

    Where do you live?

    Memphis, Tennessee. Technically in Cordova, a suburb of Memphis. However, the city annexed Cordova recently, so more technically I'm back in Memphis.

    Why do you live there?

    I was born and raised in Memphis. Lived all over the city at one time or another. Moved out to the suburbs with roommate and two dogs, long story.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?

    The city's chock full of culture, though I don't particularly take advantage of most of it. I work on the edge of Downtown, so I don't really enjoy spending time there when I'm off work (traffic, parking problems, crime, etc.). There's a pretty vibrant music scene, though it tends to focus on blues, rock, and rap. Nothing against those genres, but it's not really my cup of tea. Growing up, I was exposed to a pretty wide range of cultural opportunities--from camping and fishing to singing in Latin and German in the Memphis Symphony Boys Choir.

    Though the city itself is majority black, there's a growing Hispanic population, and not just from Mexico. The house I'm currently renting belongs to a nice Colombian couple who needed to move into something bigger. The city and suburbs make up around a million people, so you're bound to find a lot of different ethnicities. There's also three good sized universities within the city limits, as well as a few smaller colleges and community colleges that add to the mix.

    Recently I've been delighted to find not only an authentic Italian deli but also a decent pizza place, both run by recent Italian immigrants (completely unrelated) and both nearly within walking distance of where I live. I speak enough Italian to make light conversation, and have a great time going to both places. I've gotten to know them well enough that I get invited to the occasional after-hours gathering, or the grandmother waddles out of the kitchen with a bowl of something special for me to try. :)

    What recreational opportunities do you have?

    I haven't had a lot of free time recently, but most of it has been spent hiking with the dogs. It's been a hot summer, so I try to keep it to under 3 miles for each of them, but they love getting out.

    What do you like about it?

    It's home, I guess. The cost of living is quite low, there's no state income tax (we just dodged a bullet on that one), and it's not a bad place to live and save for a few years until I decide where I want to go next.

    What do you hate about it?

    I'll have to hold myself back here a bit ;)

    • Local politics. There's actually two overlapping governments, the city and county governments. Currently there's a big push for consolidation, but I don't think it will happen. The city wants consolidation, but the county doesn't. The city government is a mess, the county government works pretty efficiently, but any consolidation would be run by the city. There's not a big racial problem, especially since within the city limits it's close to 75% black. But there's still the feeling that there's a big race problem. Great example: For a while I attended a school that was considered "all black". I was one of three white students in my grade, and it was a pretty big school. Most of the faculty and administration were black. However, there was still a "Black Students Association" to deal with the problems of being a minority in school. Go figure.
    • The heat. Combined with the nearby Mississippi River, a lot of tributaries (like the ones near me, Nonconnah Creek and the Wolf River), and a great whopping assload of trees and local foliage, the humidity can be stifling in the summer. I've gone out West with people who were surprised to have their sinuses open up for the first time in their entire lives.
    • Elvis. I've never even been to Graceland. Couldn't name more than one or two of his songs or movies, and couldn't care less. I don't hate the guy, I just don't give a damn about him. Twice a year, during "Birth Week" and "Death Week", Elvis freaks from around the world concregate here to celebrate or cry, depending on which week it is. The only time Elvis ever did something for me was when I was stuck in Milan on New Year's Eve in 1996 and needed to cash in a train ticket. After an hour of bureaucratic wrangling and arguing (after which my love of the Italian language was wearing thin), the manager was called over to deal with the situation and get rid of me. He checked my passport, and upon seeing that I was from Memphis, started waving his arms and babbling about Elvis. I feigned delight, and he gave me the refund, but only after getting our picture taken together. Weird.
    • I could go on, but most of it's internal crap that wouldn't interest anyone inside or outside of the area...

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

    Good food, which is kind of a mixed blessing. Barbecue is a local specialty, and there are restaurants everywhere that specialize in it, ranging from Mom & Pop joints to nicer restaurants. "Soul Food", southern country food, and variations on those themes are prevalent. It's great food, but really bad for you in any sort of frequent consumption. The recent wave of Mexican immigration has introduced the city to a lot of great and inexpensive Mexican restaurants and bakeries. For the best places, it helps to speak Spanish, or know enough to order. The only Cuban restaurant in town closed down a few years ago, much to my dismay.

    Would you recommend it, and why?

    I don't know that it's a good city to visit or live in. There are a lot of good jobs here, and a lot of corporate headquarters that create a lot of employment, so the city's not tied to a single industry or company. Aside from Elvis, and some of the Beale Street music stuff, there's really not a lot to see or do in town, so entertaining out of town guests can be a little daunting (unless they're from someplace more boring than Memphis). But then again, the cost of living is quite low, so it can make a great place for relocation. I'm probably not the best person to answer this question. :)

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

    No public transit to speak of, you'll need a car. It gets hot in the summer, and there's virtually no winter (we see a dusting of snow every few years). Be prepared to drink your tea iced and sweetened. If you've got kids, take a good look at the many fine private schools (religious and secular), as the public school system is horrible. And if you live in the suburbs, prepare to be annexed into the city at some point (which means higher taxes, crappier government, and declining property values).

    How is it different from other places you have been?

    I've traveled a good bit, but I've never seen a place quite like Memphis (which is mostly a compliment for all the other places). Memphis is a loose group of small towns that have been crammed together and amalgamated without ever creating a "big city" look or feel. A lot of cities are built on rivers, but here all of the development is on one side--the other side, in Arkansas, is quite rural. There's also only one daily newspaper, which is subject matter for a much longer rant some other time.

    Denver, CO, USA (none / 0) (#243)
    by Erbo on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 04:53:13 PM EST

    Where do you live?
    Denver, Colorado, the Mile High City, at the base of the Rocky Mountains. (Actually, we live just outside the actual City & County of Denver, in a sliver of unincorporated Arapahoe County.)

    Why do you live there?
    I was relocated here in 1999 by the company I worked for at the time. I'm originally from California.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?
    If you're a sports person, Denver's a great place. Best two teams we have are the NFL Broncos (a local icon) and the NHL Avalanche (2001 Stanley Cup champions, lost to Detroit in the 2002 playoffs...they'll be back). The MLB Rockies are nothing special (though their downtown ballpark, Coors Field, is nice), and the NBA Nuggets are, shall we say, abysmal. Former Broncos quarterback John Elway is starting a new Arena Football team next year, the Colorado Crush; we'll have to see how that works out.

    Yet Denver has lots of other cultural opportunities. Our concert season has been especially good, and we do have one of the finest natural ampitheaters in the country (Red Rocks, out in Morrison).

    What recreational opportunities do you have?
    Do you ski, or snowboard? Say no more! Denver is the gateway to some of the Rocky Mountains' best skiing, at world-class resorts like Vail, Breckenridge, and Keystone. Those same mountains offer a variety of summer recreational activities like hiking, fishing, and camping. (No the whole state is not on fire...) In the city, Denver has a large number of bikepaths and jogging trails for you fitness nuts. There are a variety of good bars, clubs, and night spots, especially in the Lower Downtown ("LoDo") area. And, if you want a taste of Vegas without having to get on a plane, drive up to Black Hawk and try your luck in one of the many casinos there.

    What do you like about it? The people here are a lot friendlier than they are in California. It's not "cheap" to live here, but it's less expensive than California, especially in terms of taxes. It's also easy to navigate around, once you learn the lay of the land (the downtown area may throw you a few times, though). And the weather is generally good, with more sunny days per year than almost anywhere else in the country.

    What do you hate about it?
    Traffic is a big problem, especially where they're widening I-25 through the "Narrows" and the Tech Center area (the "T-REX" project). Also, there are days when our air quality isn't really up to par.

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
    When I first visited Denver, a year or so before I moved here, I was struck by how green it was in the summertime. There are parkways in the older residential areas that look like glades. In winter, of course, you have the snow, which was a novelty to me (though I quickly learned the basics of dealing with it).

    Would you recommend it, and why?
    Yes. To me, Denver feels like "one of the last good places left." We're definitely better off here than we were in California, even if my wife misses the ocean.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
    For the first few weeks, you're going to be adapting to the altitude. Keep that in mind. Also, be prepared for snow in the wintertime. You don't need a 4WD vehicle unless you're somewhere way off in the middle of the mountains, but traction control and ABS aren't a bad idea. The snow here is relatively light, not that heavy, icy New England stuff. I can generally clear off my car with a hand broom and ice scraper.

    Also keep in mind that, like many other states--but unlike California--you can only buy booze (anything stronger than 3.2 beer) in a liquor store, and they're not open on Sundays. There are generally liquor stores near every grocery store, though, as well as a few big liquor outlets where you can score some decent bargains.

    How is it different from other places you have been?
    The people are friendlier than California, and everything feels a bit more spread out, as if there's more room (which there is). I find myself agreeing with Joe Walsh: "The Rocky Mountain way is better than the way we had."
    --
    Electric Minds - virtual community since 1996. http://www.electricminds.org

    Los Angeles, CA (none / 0) (#244)
    by BioChemDork on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 04:53:26 PM EST

    Where do you live?
    Los Angeles, CA

    Why do you live there?
    -because I attend University of California, Los Angeles
    -because my home town is 10 miles outside of Los Angeles
    -because our idea of "freezing weather" is 50 degrees F

    What cultural opportunities do you have?
    -Suprisingly little. Well, actually, there are cultural opportunities, but they're not conveniently located. Being a poor starving student with no car, it's mostly university sponsored activities for me. Oh wait:
    -Getty museum, the Microsoft of museums: Pissing off other museum curators all over the world daily.

    What recreational opportunities do you have?
    -Fraternity parties (see: drunk people, cheap alcohol)
    -Two words: female coeds
    -Beach
    -did I mention 18-28 female college students?
    There may be other stuff, but again, no car.

    What do you like about it?
    -Massive hills on UCLA campus seems to have eliminated the fat population (Don't know if it's because they became skinny due to the extra exercise, or because fat people just move elsewhere because they don't want to deal with the hills.) As a whole, Southern California seems to have less obese people than East Coast
    -Virtually nonexistant smoking compared to East Coast. How do you guys put up with so many smokers?
    -Warm weather.  Seasons? What's that? We have 2 seasons here: Summer, and January.
    -No snow!!! (If you want to ski, you can drive for about 2 hours, and go to a ski resort)

    What do you hate about it?
    -No convenient public transit (a la Manhattan), because everything is so far away from each other
    -Not much history ("Well, before LA was a city, it was a...  smaller city? And before that, there were Indians of some sort - but they're gone now.")
    -Damn hot sometimes
    -Downtown is dead after 6pm (We're a pretty "industrial" city. As far as I know, all that is there after dark are clubs, because with nobody else there afterhours, they can crank the music as loud as they want)
    -Everything is so far away - need car 'cause there's no effective public transportation
    -Traffic: caused by everyone having a car. Catch-22. Damn.

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
    -female coeds
    -warm, dry weather (good for them sinuses)
    -miles and miles of traffic

    Would you recommend it, and why?
    -in general, lower cost of living
    -warm
    -female coeds (pertinent only to areas near UCLA campus)

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
    -you need a CAR! Even if it's just to buy groceries... (If you're adventurous or cheap, you can get a bike.)

    How is it different from other places you have been?
    -Warm, dry
    -Less "culture", more homoginized

    Seattle Washington USA (none / 0) (#246)
    by mingofmongo on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 05:01:25 PM EST

    Seattle is a nice place to live. It's kinda like a small town with skyscrapers. I've been a few places, and I think Seattle is the best of them to live in.

    If you are the type that gets depressed in gloomy weather, DONT COME HERE. I like the weather, but that's just me. Most of the year, it rains a little each day. Its mostly cloudy. A few days in winter it snows, and a few weeks in summer it is sunny, but mostly grey.

    Despite all efforts of the SoccerMom-controled polititions, there is a lot of music here, and a few good clubs, and interesting hang-out type bars. Great beer snob town.

    There's lots of neeto little book stores, some with themes. There's many small theaters, and a couple big Broadway type ones. There are an enourmous number of movie theaters, including a real Cinerama theater with the cinerama screen and projectors. There's an honest-to-goodness chain of art theaters that show everything from boring lesbian dramas to 'Surf Nazis Must Die'.

    And there is coffee. There are a couple of points where there is actually a Starbucks across the street from another Starbucks. I don't think this is a good thing.

    (Note about SoccerMoms) In the US, football is called soccer and is mainly played by very wimpy 12 year old kids with very obnoxious parents. These SoccerMoms are the horrible people you see driving SUVs and talking on thier cell phone while they are running you over. They are exceedingly narrow-minded, afraid of anything not wearing a suit, and they vote. A lot. Much of the political and legal screwyness in Seattle can be traced down to these SoccerMoms, and the polititians who kiss their asses. While the majority of Seattle residents are the most open-minded and tollerant of all major city people I have met, the SoccerMoms seem to have some kind of political magic wand that they use to monkeewrench things. Someday, they will grow old and die.

    "What they don't seem to get is that the key to living the good life is to avoid that brass ring like the fucking plague."
    --The Onion

    Twin Cities, Minnesota (USA) (none / 0) (#250)
    by Xeriar on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 05:18:14 PM EST

    Where do you live? Brooklyn PArk, a suburb of Minneapolis, MN.

    Why do you live there? I grew up there :-)

    What cultural opportunities do you have? Just about every culture imaginable... There are even some Amish and Mennonites wandering around. I have acquanted myself with an extremely wide variety of restauraunts of late, some are very specialized (Indian, Vietnamese, Korean, Mongolian, Japanese, Siamese, above and beyond 'Chinese' and your standard mix of European eateries)...

    What recreational opportunities do you have? If it does not require mountains or oceans, it can probably be done here. A lot of lakes, rivers, forests and hilly areas, and plenty of clubs and recreation centers, the most famous being Valleyfair.

    What do you like about it? If I want to do something at 3 AM, I usually can. There are some high-crime areas but these are generally gang-related. I routinely see people leave their car running in the parking lot for a half-hour or more - I wonder if I could do that in any European community with a million or more people :-)

    Also, the job market is great, and I get paid -well-.

    What do you hate about it? Taxes are a bit much, but since I probably wouldn't get paid more in an area with a lower cost of living, I suppose it balanced out.

    Also, it gets -cold-, and -hot-. The extreme variation of the weather is pretty brutal on the roads as well as people.

    The highways used to have a lot of death traps, but these are being removed.

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad) Unless you are smack in the middle of downtown, you don't feel like you are in a sprawl of over three million people. The IDS and neighboring towers are visible from a good distance, but there are only a half-dozen or so such skyscrapers and it looks kinda pretty.

    Parts of the city can seem a little run-down, but even the lowest-class areas beat out the 'middle-class' in Rapid City, SD (where I went to school).

    The fact that a 50-year old woman could feel safe in taking an hour walk at dusk is also pretty nice.

    Would you recommend it, and why? If you can handle the weather, sure.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know? Basic grasp of English? Also, be ready for a wide weather spectrum. We may not get hurricanes, but we do get constant 40+ mph winds every once in awhile and just about everything else comes knocking at one point or another.

    Knowing a bit about how to get around can keep you're life relatively traffic-jam free here. :-)

    How is it different from other places you have been? The city planning may not have been brilliant, but it meshes better than most others I've been in. Trees are used to good effect here too, hiding houses and highways, etc.

    ----
    When I'm feeling blue, I start breathing again.

    Ottawa, Ontario (none / 0) (#254)
    by randinah on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 05:31:46 PM EST

    Where do you live?

    Ottawa, Ontario Canada

    Why do you live there?

    Two reasons: My husband and I were previously in Philadelphia for a year and hated it. Also, Ottawa offers many employment opportunities in the technological field.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?

    A little bit of everything. Lots and lots and lots of (really good and garlicky) middle eastern cuisine. Every restaurant has its own flavour and charm. (Very little TGI Fridays, Perkins, or Chili's to be found).

    Within a fifteen minute walk of where I live (yet five miles from the downtown area), I have the choice to eat at a Vietnamese, German, Thai, Indian, Mexican, Greek, Lebanese, or Carribean restaurant.

    The Byward Market is wonderfully eccentric. During the day it is fun to walk around and buy produce from area farmers and pay a couple bucks to play chess with some guy on the street. He'll tell you riddles too, if you like. At night the Byward market becomes a hopping nightlife scene. Row after row of pubs, cafes, and danceclubs, including the famous Zaphod Beeblebrox where you can get a Pan Galactic Gargleblaster if you wish.

    Besides that there's plenty of french culture just across the river in Quebec, and Montreal is just an hour away.

    What recreational opportunities do you have?

    Trails, trails, trails! Ottawa has around 1800 kilometers of bike trails all through the city. The Parkway, a four lane artery that runs along the river is closed every Sunday morning to allow bikers, walkers, and rollerbladers to use.

    Gatineau Park is a fifteen minute drive away. It has hundreds of acres of woodlands, lakes, trails, mountains, lookouts, camping, etc.

    There are plenty of great museums here. The Art Museum, Museum of Photography, Museum of Canadian Civilisation, The Royal Mint, The Currency Museum, just to name a few. And of course we cannot forget the Parliament buildings which are gorgeous. On Canada Day (July 1st), downtown Ottawa gets closed off to allow the swarms of people who mill around all day and enjoy scattered activites on the street. When night falls Canadian musicians take the stage followed by fireworks. It's quite fun.

    There is a nice theatre district on Rideau Street. Also the Byward Theatre plays many eclectic and interesting films.

    What do you like about it?

    It's clean! Coming from Philadelphia I really appreciate the fresh air and space. Also, traffic is wonderful. The bus system is also really good, and people use it.

    There are lots of pubs and bars to go to. A wonderful place to go on a Saturday night is Elgin Street. People walk up and down the street from bar to bar all night long.

    What do you hate about it?

    There's nothing really to hate, necessarily.

    I'm a sucker for a skyline, and Ottawa's is unfortunately lacking in grandeur. But what does that really matter anyway?

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

    Protesters! It's very fun to go downtown and watch people walk all around downtown with big signs. A few months ago was the G8 conference and of course, that brought many people downtown chanting, congregating, and putting anti G8 stickers all over the place.

    Would you recommend it, and why?

    Ottawa is a very nice city. I would definitely recommend it. It's very understated, but has a lot to offer.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

    Poutine = A wonderful dish of french fries, cheese curds, and gravy all melted together. It's actually Quebecois, but can be found on menus all over Ontario.

    If you choose to drive in Ottawa it is good to know that pedestrians only show a mild regard for traffic. People love to jaywalk here. Oh yes, and some people around here have developed the habit of speeding through red lights. Always check the intersection before crossing.

    How is it different from other places you have been?

    Well, I grew up in a small town in Minnesota so it's definitely much more diverse up here.

    Philly could not hold a candle to Ottawa. I'm always suprised by the fact that Philly, a city of approx. 5 million people has less culture than Ottawa which is about 1 million people.

    Also, after living for a year in a city where if you wanted to get anywhere you had to sit in stop and go traffic for a good half hour at least , I'm very happy to be living in a place where I haven't needed to use my car in about five days.

    That's all folks!


    "Why waste time learning when ignorance is instantaneous?"
    Phoenix, AZ aka Venus aka Hell (none / 0) (#256)
    by ChrissyH on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 05:45:56 PM EST

    Where do you live? I live on the 'South Side', an older, more ethnically diverse neighborhood than the rest of Phoenix, which is pretty waspy otherwise.

    Why do you live there? Cause I work here and I can tolerate extreme heat.

    What cultural opportunities do you have? I may not know culture but do the words 2001 World Series Champions mean anything to y'all? We also have operas, plays, museums and the like. In June I saw the Chihuly exhibition, Installations, which was created especially for the Phoenix Art Museum.

    What recreational opportunities do you have? Except in the summer there are many outdoor activities to enjoy. I believe that Phoenix has the highest per capita boat ownership of any major city. It is a lot of fun to wash the boat in the driveway, showing the neighbors just how much disposable income you really have. Or you could go to the lakes.

    What do you like about it? I have a good job here and own a small house on a large piece of property. These things are plentyful and affordable in Phoenix (especially south Phoenix!) while they cost much more in other, cooler parts of the world. Not that Phoenix isn't cool. No, wait. Phoenix Isn't cool.

    What do you hate about it? Ok, I lied. Culture in Phoenix sucks. Sure, we get the occasional art show, sports a plenty and if ya like horses... Well, that's it. The symphony is always clammoring for a decent venue, most plays are by Andrew Lloyd Webber and there is always a horse or cowboy show. Did I mention the horses?

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad) Phoenix is big. I think there are 50 or 60 million cars here, and some how they can all drive at once. We've got a couple of freeways, but you can't use them between the hours of 6-10am and 2-7pm because all of those cars park there during drive time. I believe this is some sort of plan by the traffic department to keep people from getting to work, which, in Arizona, is mostly in the pollutant manufacturing sector. Since I work in higher education, I teach students how to manufacture pollutants.

    Would you recommend it, and why? Not really. There are no major attractions here except for air conditioning, and there are already too many people here.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know? You would need to know an escape route.

    How is it different from other places you have been? With the exception of Lake Havasu, AZ, Phoenix is the hottest place I've ever lived. The four seasons are Heating (Feb 1 - May 16), Cooling (Oct 20 - Dec 31), Summer (May 16 - Oct 19) and January. January is open window nice as are most of Cooling and Heating. Since Phoenix is in close proximity to the California coast many of us spend a lot of time there. They even have a cute little pet name for us.

    Southern Pines (none / 0) (#257)
    by Symbiotic Order on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 05:49:05 PM EST

    Where do you live?

    Southern Pines, NC

    Why do you live there?

    My parents moved here when I was a baby.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?

    Lotsa Mexicans. There are a few Asian people since Fort Bragg is 30 minutes away. Lotsa Yankees too. God.

    What recreational opportunities do you have?

    Dozens of golf courses around the area. The US Open comes here every few years. North Carolina Motor Speedway is 15 minutes away. Duke, NC State, and UNC Chapel Hill are about an hour and a half away, so there's lotsa sports around. The Hurricanes made the Stanley Cup this year as well :)

    What do you like about it?

    Small, all the towns (Southern Pines, Pinehurst, Aberdeen, Taylortown, and to an extent Seven Lakes and West End, all the towns run together) have probably twenty thousand people combined. There's lotsa nice landscaping done around here.

    What do you hate about it?

    The beach is too far away (like two hours). There are a lot of old northerners who move here and they can be assholes. Really. There isn't much of a life for people my age.

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

    Small, quiet, that's about it.

    Would you recommend it, and why?

    If you're looking for a quiet place to live, sure. But if you have kids or wanna do something exciting, try some other place.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

    Union Pines Rules. Pinecrest sucks.

    How is it different from other places you have been?

    Dunno. Never been anywhere else.

    Portland, Oregon (none / 0) (#262)
    by rayab on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 06:20:24 PM EST

    I live in the Northwestren part of the United States. I have moved here for an indefinet amount of time, one day I hope to return to my homelan, Israel. I love the Northwest and would never choose to live in any other state.

    Portland has been growing rapidly in the last years and the cultural centers have been improving. We have an opera house, a concert hall, a philormonic orchestra, and a ballet company. During the concert season there are several shows to choose from. We also get all the big Broadway shows here. Every year the Mt. Hood Community College hosts a jazz festival. In the spring And last year even the Dalai Lama visited. So see portland is not the hick town the rest of the country thinks it is.

    According to many the Willamete Valley is about to become the second sillicon valley. There are several big tech companies here such as Intel, HP, IBM, Techtronics, and many more. Latley things have been slumping down just like everywhere else but there is a large migration of people from other states. Probably because there is NO SALES TAX!!

    Oregonians care about their state very much. And although there is a lot of clear cut there are several national forests and wildernesses where you could spend your entire life and still not explore everything. The forests are my favorite part about the state. There is nothing I love more than getting away for a few days and doing some hiking in the forest. There are thousands of lakes hidden among the trees which provide great fishing opportunities.

    Another thing I love about Oregon is the fact that medical marijuana is legal, in fact I plan on applying for a license before the feds screw us.
    What I hate about this state is its location, but I realize that if it was located on the East Coast it wouldnt be Oregon any more. The reason I dont like its location is because I wish I was closer to Europe and Israel. It just takes so much more effort to get to Europe that I dont even try.

    Other than the fact that we're so far away from the real cultural centers I dont see much bad, well the traffic is getting worse. I love the quality of life here, its pretty high. And its just so god damned gorgeous here!!

    If you're a stress loving person then Portland is not for you. Everyone is just so laid back :)

    Portland is incredibly different from Israel. I think I will write up another comment about my life in Israel. I have not been able to feel the pulse in Portland, but that's due to the fact I'm not 21 yet.

    To summarize, I think this is a great city and a great state!

    Y popa bila sobaka on yeyo lyubil, ona syela kusok myasa on yeyo ubil, v zemlyu zakopal, i na mogile napisal...
    Fort Lauderdale, FL (none / 0) (#263)
    by mmealman on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 06:24:12 PM EST

    Where do you live?

    I live in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

    Why do you live there?

    I moved there for a tech job that was located in Boca Raton Florida(about 10 miles north). I also wanted a change, I had been living in Indiana all my life beforehand.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?

    The culture on the SE coast of Florida is fairly latin, however many of the people here are from the NJ and NY area. So you get a little bit of that culture down here(the food).

    What recreational opportunities do you have?

    Tons. Fort Lauderdale is a popular vacation spot in and of itself, and it's located about an hour from Miami and 3 hours from Orlando. Fort Lauderdale is the sailing capital of the world and boasts beautiful beaches, sailing, boating, great clubs, good food, and some museums and art shows. The clubs are very nice and they're mostly located either on the beach or at a spot called the Riverfront. During holidays the streets at the Riverfront can fill up with thousands of people that are there just to party. Florida is a great place to explore a lot of sports and activities. The weather is good all year round and most of the people here are affluent enough that there are solid centers of "play" to keep almost anyone entertained. If it doesn't involve snow you can probably do it down here.

    What do you like about it?

    The weather is nice and the people are pretty laid back. I like "odd" sports, like skydiving, hang gliding, and so on and have always been suprised to see that Florida has great support for these activities. There are a lot of people down here and they like to go out and play.

    What do you hate about it?

    The traffic sucks, rent is high, and the scenes are a little shallow. Also you tend to meet a lot of people that don't live here, but are just passing through.

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

    The good weather.

    Would you recommend it, and why?

    I think it's a great place to live for a few years, but I don't know if I'd want to stay here forever. It just doesn't feel like a family sort of place.

    Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada (none / 0) (#265)
    by dadragon on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 06:41:31 PM EST

    Where do you live? Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada.  About 630km east of Calgary, AB, and around 800km northwest of Winnepeg, MB.

    Why do you live there? I grew up here, and I don't like Calgary.  I went to University in Calgary.

    What cultural opportunities do you have? Lots: Folkfest, an annual festival where all the different cultures put on a pavillion where you go and get drunk listening to their music :), also the Fringe Festival, and annual outdoor theatre festival which has some excellent shows.  Lest we forget the Saskatoon Exhibition, primarily an agricultural show, but there is a midway, rides, cultural pavillions, etc.. and the Saskatchewan Jazz Festival, which IIRC, is the third largest jazz festival in North America.

    Saskatoon is also home to a great number of Mennonites, Hutterites and the like, our province has more German speakers than French speakers, and a 45 minute drive east of here gets you to a city which has quite a German feel.

    The University of Saskatchewan is often considered to have one of the most beautiful campuses in Canada, and it is home to the Diefenbaker museum.

    What recreational opportunities do you have?  If you like to cross country ski, this is the place to do it :), you can also play hockey, lacrosse, soccer, baseball, and curling.  There are also a number of pubs.

    What do you like about it? The weather is never boring, if you don't like it, wait 5 minutes and it'll change.  You can almost always see the horizon, and sunsets are great, they last for hours.  The people are nice, and the city has been described as a really big small town.

    What do you hate about it?  In some parts, there is a very high crime rate (Saskatoon has the third highest crime rate after the capital of Saskatchewan, Regina, and Thunder Bay, ON IIRC).  But for the most part the city is safe.

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad) Germans.  Lots and lots of Germans.  Let's not forget Ukranians and Russians.  Saskatchewan is the only province whose population isn't made up mostly of people of French or British origin.  I know a few people who were born and raised in Saskatchewan who can't speak English or French very well.

    Would you recommend it, and why? Yea,  it's great if you can handle not having all the big name retailers and some other big city conviences (try finding a Macintosh dealer in Saskatoon).  It's small, 210K, but it's got all you need.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know? You should be able to drink anybody from Ontario under the table.  If you can't, you've just given yourself away as an outsider :)

    You should also refresh yourself on farm machinery and the workings of an agricultural economy.  Saskatoon is called POW city, Bridge City, Hub city, all of which for a reason.  POW stands for Potash Oil Wheat, the main industries of Saskatoon, Bridge city, we have a lot of bridges crossing the South Saskatchewan River, and Hub City because its other industry is shipping/distribution.  Semis and other large vehicles are a very common sight on the streets of Saskatoon.

    How is it different from other places you have been? People from Saskatoon drive differently from anywhere else I've been.  In Calgary, people tailgate and drive fast, but actually signal lane changes.  People from Saskatoon usually leave enough room for anyone to change lanes without warning.  People do change lanes without warning... unless it could possibly affect somebody else's driving.
    There is also more nature in the city, than in at least Calgary.  In Saskatoon, the freeways are lined with trees and grass, in Calgary, they're straight concrete :(

    This is my home, and it will stay that way.

    Atlanta. (none / 0) (#266)
    by kitten on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 06:46:03 PM EST

    Technically, I live slightly north of Atlanta in the Marietta/Roswell area. Anything inside the I-285 perimeter is considered Atlanta proper, and outside that we've got the "metro area", which is where I live - technically not Atlanta's jurisdiction. The city of Atlanta and the surrounding area is a disorganized chaos of seperate municipalities.

    I live here because this is where I've lived most of my life. I've been too lazy to move yet, but things are gearing that way lately. Very soon now.

    As for culture and recreation.. Atlanta is a funny place in that it's a decent place to live, but you wouldn't want to visit there.
    You can always find diversions if you live here, but none of them are anything you couldn't get anywhere else. Bars and clubs down in the Buckhead area (the elite corridor of the city), cinemas and theatres and whatever else.
    But if you're just visiting, you'll be bored out of your mind. There are really no "must see" sights in Atlanta. Those of you who live here will know what I mean: Let's face it, the Olympic Park is only entertaining for so long.

    Then there's Stone Mountain's laser show, which I guess is worth seeing once but no more. It's the largest granite outcropping in the world, I believe, and carved into it's face on a scale larger than Mount Rushmore are some important people from the Civil War riding their horses. In the summer when it gets dark, ten thousand rednecks haul their coolers full of Bud Lite down to the park in front of the mountain and watch the laser show, which is a series of graphics and cartoons set to music and imaged on the face of the mountain with green (and sometimes red and blue) lasers.

    Uh, there's also the Coke headquarters. You can haul through a twenty-minute ad campaign for Coca Cola, and at the end, you get to sample every drink that Coke makes. Some of them are absolutely disgusting. I believe there's one called "Beverly" marketed in Italy which, around here, is universally gagged upon.

    CNN and Turner Broadcasting and IBM also call Atlanta home. The city boasts the largest airport in the country (possibly the world, I'd have to check on that) in terms of both area and traffic. There's an Air Force base to the north and a military training ground to the south. Georgia Tech is one of the top technical and engineering schools in the nation.

    All these things make Atlanta one of the highest priority targets in a nuclear strike, as an aside - you take out Atlanta and you take out most of the Eastern Seaboard's transportation and communication, not to mention the AFB, military camp, and two major media outlets.

    This city is okay, I guess, in the fall and winter. In spring and summer, being set on fire would be a pleasent cool to the blazing inferno outside. Highs are usually in the mid or upper 90s, with humidity hovering around 90% or more, all day, every day. Night offers little relief, either. It is absolutely disgusting.

    Atlanta is also home to the third worst traffic in the nation, second only to New York and Los Angeles, and three of the ten worst intersections in the country are right here. This city has the absolute worst civil engineering it has ever been my misfortune to witness, and my father is a pilot for Delta, which means I get to fly for free, which means I've been just about all over the place, which means I know what I'm talking about. "Put up more traffic lights" is the city's solution to every problem, ignoring the fact that the damn lights are the problem in the first place. There's too many of them, none of them are timed correctly, none of the roads are wide enough, curb cuts are approved to any idiot that asks, and the city's infrastructure hasn't really been upgraded since the early 30s. I'm sure the roads were fine back then when the only person was Farmer Johnson rolling through twice a day with his tractor, but now it's 2002 and there's four and a half million people trying to squeeze through a road designed for a hundredth of that.

    Most of those people are in Lexus, Mercedes, BMWs, or other expensive vehicles. Atlanta is a yuppie haven due to lots of business opportunities, and also by virtue of the fact that it's the only vestige of civilization in the South. Atlanta is really a displaced part of the North, you ask me.

    Mass transit is provided by MARTA - the Metro Atlanta Rapid Transit System - and is a complete and utter joke. If you visit here, don't bother.

    If you enjoy sitting in blazing heat for two hours in your car just so you can go a mile down the road and pick up some groceries, I recommend Atlanta to you. If, however, you are sane, run. Run far away and don't look back.

    On the other hand, the skyline is gorgeous and in fall, the trees are beautiful, especially around one of the many lakes and rivers surrounding the city.. and that's kind of nice..
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    Billingham, England (none / 0) (#267)
    by Freaky on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 06:46:10 PM EST

    Where do you live?

    Billingham, in the North-East of England.  A small town of about 30,000 people.

    Why do you live there?

    Because I'm tied down by looking after dogs and the lack of a job.  And being a lazy bum.  *Cough* :)

    What cultural opportunities do you have?

    There are a few festivals through the year in the various towns surrounding Billingham, and one or two in it.

    There's a small theatre in the Forum in the town centre, which also has a pool.

    There are also a number of clubs and bars nearby where you can be drugged up, knifed, glassed or get drunk with the local inbreeds and students.

    The countryside is nice and close; it's fairly easy to find a nice pub in a nearby village, for instance.

    What recreational opportunities do you have?

    Swimming, library, town centre with a decent number of shops.  A couple of parks are close by, and the nearby countryside provides some oppertunities for walking.  There's also an observatory nearby.

    Said bars and clubs, a few cinemas.  We're surrounded by Middlesbrough and Stockton close by, which makes for a bit more support and investment than a standalone town would get :)

    What do you like about it?

    The huge amount of industry here means we have nice and reliable (nuclear) power, and the big brown cloud it generates probably protects us from the sun ;)

    We also have unmetered water, decent broadband coverage, and, er.. stuff.

    What do you hate about it?

    It's pretty run-down in places, originally being based heavily on the nearby industrial estate.  Plenty of dodgy old council accomodation that attracts a lot of low income families and the various neaderthals that inhabit the north.

    Oh, and don't even think of going to a University nearby.  It bites.

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

    Shrug, not a lot.

    Would you recommend it, and why?

    Not really.  Jobs don't seem to be up to much, education's pretty poor, and there's a lot of grottyness.

    If you can deal with that, we do have really low house prices (or at least, not anywhere near as insanely high as most places in the UK atm), and there's a decent amount of stuff quite nearby.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

    Where the local Asda is.  It probably employs about 40% of the local population ;)

    How is it different from other places you have been?

    I must admit, I can't say I've seen such a big brown cloud hang over anywhere quite so obviously, with the possible exception of a few megapeople cities.

    Lebanon, Pennsylvania (none / 0) (#269)
    by nanobug on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 06:49:12 PM EST

    I live in Lebanon, Pennsylvania, a small town in the south central part of the state, in the Susquehanna valley.  I've lived here all of my conscious life (I was born in Kentucky and lived in Alaska for a while, but as long as I can remember I've lived in this place), and I'll probbably end up living here until I die because this is one of those places that everyone wants to leave but no one really succeeds.

    As far as culture goes, there is enough to go around in the surrounding areas, but in the city there isn't much.  There's a few nice bars and restaurants but nothing spectacular.  There is a large Puerto Rican population here, but I haven't really seen much culture, unless selling cocaine and shooting people is a cultural phenomenon in Puerto Rico.  

    There is a nice downtown area but really not much to offer.  Most of the teenagers hang out there, and there is a 'loop' where people do street racing.  It would be a great place to meet up and hang out if there wasn't such a police presence -- they tend to chase you off if theres too many people standing around in one place doing nothing.  There's a community college, and about 10 minutes down the main road in a little town called Annville, theres Lebanon Valley College, which is a nice sized campus that has some nice sized parties and nice featured women :)

    For recreation, we're about 20 minutes away from Hersheypark, and about an hour and a half away from Philly, Baltimore, and Allentown (all pretty good places to hang out for a weekend if you don't mind the drive).  If you know where to get it, there are some good nugs that go around, so even though you might be bored to death, you can get so stoned that it really doesn't matter :)

    I like the fact that there is a small town feel to this place.  I've lived here for the better part of 17 years, and although I want to leave, I'm pretty sure that things don't get much better anywhere else, its just different scenery.  People are generally good natured around here.

    I don't like the fact that there aren't many opportunities around here. Bethlehem Steel used to have one of its largest factories here, but they shut down in the mid 80's and left a lot of people jobless and wondering what to do with their lives. Even if you have a college degree, there just isn't much for a young professional to do.  I think the hospital and the prison employ about 35% of the people who live here (thats a guesstimate), with the rest of them either commuting to Harrisburg or Lancaster, farming, or working in factories doing dead-end labor work.

    Crime is also on the rise here, and now that I have a child it worries me more and more.  I believe that Puerto Ricans as a people are good natured and hard working individuals, but their youth seem to all be getting caught up in a drug selling gang lifestyle, and its taking its toll on the city.  The police force has doubled here in the past 5 years. If there were more recreational and job opportunities for young people, I don't think it would be so much of an issue, but it's hard enough to get a job around here if you're white, so many of the young minorities are turning to selling drugs.

    There isn't much that stands out around here.  Look to Hershey or Harrisburg for that. I wouldn't reccomend moving here unless your car gets good gas mileage and you don't mind commuting to work.  The cost of living here is pretty low - I live in a 3 bedroom house and only pay $400 a month rent.

    If you are going to move here, you need to know where to get good pot, because its the only thing that will keep you sane.

    Antibes, Southern France (none / 0) (#270)
    by levsen on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 06:52:20 PM EST

    I live in the small town of Antibes, in the South of France, on the Mediterranean Sea. Originally from Germany, my last job was in San Francisco, California, and there can't be a bigger difference.

    I really have to point out that it's a huge difference because at the first look it seems to have many things in common. There is the sea, lots of sunshine, there are lots of high tech companies in a small hilly area called Sophia-Antipolis (advertised as Europe's Silicon Valley - pah!! more on that later), a more relaxed attitude (compare to the US West Coast whereas Paris would be the East Coast), a percentage of foreigners that's high at least for France.

    BUT! People are so freaking boring, backward-looking and close minded it's unbelievable. I can safely rant about French people here because I know that no one around here will ever be open minded enough to read k5.

    Ok, the night life sucks, even Nice (30 min away) is a pretty boring place, if you've ever lived in a real city. (Even my German home town of Hannover is loads more happening.) I'm not really an introverted type of person, but I found it difficult to meet people here. I do speak French fluently and try to immerse in the local culture, to no avail. The few things that the town and the area have to offer, romantic old towns and villages and good food basically and some limited nightlife, are mainly enjoyed by tourists, the locals rather stay home and watch TV.

    The "European Silicon Valley" Sophia-Antipolis is a joke, too, French people consider work as an inconvenient disturbance of their lunch break and energy they are willing to commit to projects and exciting new ideas is zero. My secret suspicion is, that all French people have been postal clerks in another life.

    The 30% or so foreigners in Sophia-Antipolis don't really give it a cosmopolitan feel, probably because I most of them are EU and I don't really consider them foreigners. They also become too assimilated too fast and don't add to the culture.

    I want to point out that there is another comment about the area (much further down, by someone named fraise). Read it for a different point of view. In spite of what she says, you absolutely do not have to speak French if you come to this area. It is heavily saturated with Brits and I now many people, Brits and others, that don't speak a word of French and lead perfectly happy lives.

    Ok I think I will move to London soon or somewhere like that, if you can grant me asylum in S.F. / NYC / Sydney I won't mind either.
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    Edinburgh, Scotland (4.00 / 1) (#271)
    by MUD on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 07:16:46 PM EST

    Where do you live?

    Edinburgh, the capital of Scotland (the northenmost constituent country of the UK)

    Why do you live there?

    Born and bred here and I haven't come across anything better yet.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?

    The stuff's coming out of our ears - museums (national, childhood, whisky etc), theatres, cinemas (indie and mainstream), decent club scene, vast quantities of pubs and bars, galleries and a ruddy great castle as well.

    Did I mention the Edinburgh Festival (and Fringe)? That's more culture than you can shake a stick at right there.

    What recreational opportunities do you have?

    Hmm, well there are a few sports stadia (rugby, football, track and field), an Olympic size swimming pool, masses of open greenery about the place, the zoo's pretty well kept, an extinct volcano to climb and all that other stuff I mentioned under cultural oportunities.

    What do you like about it?

    Most everything but particularly the friendly people and happening buzz that's not overly hectic.

    What do you hate about it?

    Um, the weather could be more... favourable.

    Would you recommend it, and why?

    Definitely. It's a great city - as evidenced by the rocketing property prices of late. I guess that's what happens when you stick a new national parliament in a university town - sit back and watch business boom and urban redevelopment run amok. But anyway, it's a wonderful blend of the historic and modern that almost never fails to welcome people with open arms.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

    Standard sauce on chips from a chipshop is not venegar but 'sauce' or 'sass' (we come up with all the best names). It's basically a blend of brown sauce and vinegar that varies from chippie to chippie. Slather it over your deep-fried pizza, wash it down with Irn-Bru and finish off with a deep-fried Mars bar.



    Nuneaton (none / 0) (#276)
    by holdfast on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 07:51:44 PM EST

    Where is it?
    It is in England, but where exactly depends on where you come from. It is under 70 miles in a straight line from the south coast and perhaps 250 from the Scottish Border or 550 from the north coast. To me this means that it is in the south - just away from the coastal region. The English define it as the "West Midlands". Not very logical.....
    The population is only about 20,000 I think but it is only 30 minutes drive from Birmingham and London is not very far away. Close enough to go to but far enough to keep the less pleasant things out of our way.

    Why do I live here?
    My Wife and I work in the hospital here. She is a Physiotherapist, I work in the IT department. I met her back where I come from - Orkney about 600 miles north of here.

    What cultural opportunities?
    There are all the clubs that are the same the world over. There are theatres in Birmingham. The real advantage of this place is that it is rural enough to be comfortable and low pollution in a lot of it but it is quick and easy to get to larger towns to use their facilities if I wanted to.

    What do I like about it?
    I now have friends here. All I have to do now is convince them where we actually are (see comments in 1st section). It feels safer here than it did when we lived in Birmingham.

    What do I dislike about it?
    Parochialism - my pet hate. Some people from around here think that they are living on the northern fringes of civilisation in the UK. They are more likely to go to Spain or Ireland for a holiday than travelling a few hundred miles north!

    What Qualities stand out?
    Good - Many friendly peoplejust like the rest of this planet. Better employment opportunities than back home.
    Bad - the local speech. They think they haven't got accents...

    Would I reccomend it?
    Probably. It sure beats living in a big soulless city. Pollution levels must be OK in comparison with them. I can walk for a few minutes and see fields. The police can go about on their own not in threes and fours.

    What would you need to know?
    Which parts of town are better if you are middle class and which ones are cheaper for getting a house.

    How is it different?
    I have lived in big cities in the UK - this is less impersonal. There is less traffic apart from the town centre. There is less crime than that here.
    I come from Orkney - it also has a population of about 20k. It is a lot less crowded there. I can't see the stars at night here - to much street lighting. I am an outsider here - back home we have a much longer grasp of history. There is no real wildlife (animals etc) here.
    I have also lived in Africa and the Middle East. It is a lot safer here than the ME. The police still don't carry guns openly much here. Long may that continue!



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    Yakima, Washington (metro pop. over 200,000) (none / 0) (#281)
    by BLU ICE on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 08:05:02 PM EST

    I live here because I live with my parents. I will be moving away in less than a year.

    There are no cultural opportunities in Yakima, save the elegant Capitol Theatre. Oh yeah, if you like wine, the lower valley has some of the best wine in the world. (Hogue Vineyards has THE best wine in the world, according to some competition in France)

    Recreational opportunities are more varied. Yakima is right next to the lovely Cascade mountains, which have great hiking and camping.

    The only thing I like about Yakima is the Cascades. Thats it.

    I don't like Yakima too much. The main reason for this is that the economy is in the shitter. The main thing in our area is apples. We are the undisputed apple capitol of the world. However, in the early 90's, orchardists put in hundreds of thousands of acres of Red Delicious apples near the Columbia River.  This produced a glut of Red Delicious apples and depressed apple prices quite a bit. Now, Reds are out of demand. Add to that the fact that  New Zealand and New York are putting in more orchards, and you have one fucked up apple market. (Also, oriental countries aren't too big on buying our apples)

    Also, one of our two big malls just closed, due to bungled management. (The idiot manager charged outrageous fees for parking, and had high rent) This just sent everybody to strip malls. So, now we have almost no good stores in town. We have 7 dollar stores but no Nordstrom's.

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    Houston, TX, USA (4.00 / 3) (#282)
    by demi on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 08:06:27 PM EST

    Where do you live?

    In Texas, in the fourth largest city in the US (it eats up suburbs like the blob).

    Why do you live there?

    I'm a researcher at a local university.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?

    I love movies primarily, and there are a ton of great mainstream, arthouse, microcinema, and public exhibition-related film outlets. I would stress that other cities have the same, but they are much more expensive, less accessible, and (relatively) socially exclusive.

    Angelika Film Center
    The Aurora Picture Show
    Fire Station 3 (site seems to be down at the moment)
    Rice University Cinema
    Museum of Fine Arts, Houston - Films

    Also, there are good shows from time to time at Mary Jane's and other places around here.

    There are theatres, Opera houses, museums, and the like, too. I like the Natural Science museum because of its mineral collection (Inorganic/Materials Chemist!) It has what you would expect for a city of its size.

    What recreational opportunities do you have?

    Thrift shopping, shooting, BBQ, heading to Matagorda Island to camp, and so on.

    What do you like about it?

    It's very inexpensive, I mean I would have been paying at least 3-4 times as much to live lean in the Bay Area. I'm able to live in a huge house in the middle of the city on a very meager income. I like hispanic and black culture and I can experience it here without fear of confrontation.

    What do you hate about it?

    There is supposed to be a major air pollution problem, but so far I have not been affected. For current air ozone levels see this site. The city seems to like to destroy perfectly good roads and leave them in a state of disaster for months or years. Texans are, as you may have heard, often very Texas-centric (but so are Los Angelenos, New Yorkers, etc.). Traffic is horrible if you have to drive into the city every day (I ride my bike).

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

    Almost all of the development of this city took place from 1950 to 1980, and it levelled off after that point. At least this is my impression. I happen to love 1960's flat architecture, typified by the malls and office buildings of that era, and many such buildings are well-preserved in the Houston area. Also, the second Enron tower is really, really cool looking (it's for sale now).

    Would you recommend it, and why?

    It's not a place for people that like the Northeast, or Northern California - there would be an obvious and immediate culture clash. The weather doesn't bother me (terribly hot and humid most of the summer) but other people can't seem to take it. If you appreciate disposable income over government services, low taxes, and other accoutrements of the free market philosophy, that spirit runs strong here. Also, if you live here, people you meet from elsewhere will frequently make assumptions about you that are amusing.

    If you like drop names in front of your globe-trotting yuppie pals, Houston will not impress them.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

    Knowing a little Spanish would help if you are in business. Otherwise, there's not much of a learning curve.

    How is it different from other places you have been?

    It's not so different from many other places in America. It's just another suburb that became a city.

    I live in North London (1.00 / 1) (#288)
    by d s oliver h on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 08:27:31 PM EST

    The best thing about London is the mixture of Victorian and Georgian achitecture, the haphazard road layouts, the rain, the road signs, and the big red Routemaster buses!

    Christchurch, NukeFreeland (3.50 / 4) (#294)
    by mozmozmoz on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 08:42:44 PM EST

    Where do you live?

    Christchurch, NukeFreeland. About 300k people, in a swamp next to a retired volcano. So there's flat bits as well as a hill. The city was planned in Eng land a long time ago, and so is laid out in a pretty pattern when seen from the air. There's a 600 acre park in the middle, and generally lots of trees and parks and cycle ways. The mayor is a cyclist, and it shows.

    Why do you live there?

    Work, play, sex. Or perhaps Play, sex, work, it's hard to tell.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?

    • There's a kind of orchestra, but euro-classical stuff is more a visiting thing than a regular feature.
    • There's a collection of educational things, giving a decent live theatre scene and reasonable live bands.
    • There's an SCA outlet, The New Church of the Great Old Ones is a registered religion and other welcome silliness happens on a regular basis. There's a municipal wizard employed by the council.
    • There's a reasonable group of cinemas, including some art movie ones.
    • There's two community radio stations, with decent music.
    • There's a marae or two, and the HQ of Ngai Tahu Inc (local Maori tribe).
    • There's a museum and a few art galleries
    • It's within cycling distance of Nelson, which has beaches (450km)
    • It uses the metric system, which makes science easier.
    • There's a variety of religious structures: a mosque, a synagogue or three, a variety of Christian churches and some others that slip my mind right now.
    • There's some distinct ethnic groups who do their own peculiar things for my edification, especially there's pacific islanders. All friendly and going along and hanging out seems to be welcomed, by and large.
    • The cops know the difference between goths and satanists, and between them and dickheads in black jeans who want a fight.
    • There's a few queers, and they're not too factionalised. There's a queer bar and a queer club or two, and stuff. There was a dance club that wasn't queer or straight, which was even better, but I think it's shut down now.
    • There's only two organic food shops in Christchurch, competition from the supermarket organic food sections is too intense.
    • There's enough cafes to satisfy most people. There's the "Arts Center", the old university now a cafe/ pub/ theatre/ cinema/ craft fair site, which rocks.
    • The green/ environmental movement is very strong here compared to almost anywhere.

    What recreational opportunities do you have?

    There's a thriving outdoor sport and recreation crowd, with decent mountain biking less than 20 minutes from the city center, windsurfing etc ditto, and more tramping/ hiking/ bushwalking (whatever you want to call it) than you can poke a pointy stick at. MacPac and Fairydown are based here, as are verious second tier manufacturers. A lot of Antarctic-bound stuff goes through here. See also culture above. There's a philatalically minded botanist here (For fans of Rutherford). There's ski-fields a couple of hours drive away. It has an international airport. They play rugby here. There's a recumbent building/ riding group. There's reasonable rock climbing 30 minutes ride from the city center. There's a line dancing club, and a comedy bar (not in the same place).

    What do you like about it?

    It's cycle friendly, and full of fit people. Well, ok, it has enough fit people to make me happy. It's flat in the center. There are enough geeks to make it worth living here, and a 24 hour supermarket. There are enough greenies that there are several groups of them. There's KAOS, who are fun and silly (geeks with lives). It's big enough that there's always something to do, and small enough that there are not half a million people trying to do it. It's cheap to live in, and small enough that I can ride anywhere easily.

    What do you hate about it?

    It has smog, and it gets cold, and it lacks the dense variety of a bigger city. Kiwi employers are stingy bastards, and it's relatively not as cheap as a bigger city (pay - rent - food <elsewhere). The public transport is so-so - buses are every half hour not every five minutes. Kiwis disrespect success, often too much for comfort. It's still a small town, and when you want something really specific that can suck.<BR>

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

    Kiwis seem to have the English tolerance of eccentricity combined with the Canadian easygoingfullness, Christchurch is cycle friendly, the smog sits on the city for three months in winter. You can see stars even in the winter (this is not London-grade smog).

    Would you recommend it, and why?

    Definitely. If you want somewhere that your kids can walk to school safely, Christchurch is it. Ditto if you're into the outdoors, or cycling. It's affordable compared to most places (sell your house in London, retire to Christchurch, buy a house and live off the interest). There's enough people to have most things, but few enough that there's not huge pollution and you can have a go at most stuff, rather than being a tiny voice in a big crowd. Kiwis respect people who are willing to try doing what they want to, even if you suck at it.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

    Maoris are people here. Complaining and volunteering to help fix it are often taken as synonymous here. Act friendly and people will believe you.

    How is it different from other places you have been?

    I've lived in Sydney, Australia for a few years. It's smaller, cheaper and colder than there. Women wear sports bras instead of wonderbras. Specific sub-communities are smaller and harder to find, but broader and less factionalised as a result. Buy a bike, and hire a van when you need it, forget owning a car. Nah, buy several bikes.

    There's lots of comedy on TV too. Does that make children funnier?

    Ashburn, VA (Virginia) United States of America (4.00 / 1) (#304)
    by moonboy on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 10:00:07 PM EST

    Where do you live?

    Ashburn, VA

    (Since I'd hate to be seen as too much of a "USian" as another poster put it - VA represents the state of Virginia in the country of the United States of America on the continent of North America on the planet Earth just in case you're not from around here. Ashburn, VA is just outside of Washington, D.C. (District of Columbia) Washington is the capitol city of the United States.)

    Why do you live there?

    I moved here almost two and a half years ago for a job which I love.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?

    You name it. The Kennedy Center for opera, ballet, and symphony. The amazing FREE museums of the Smithsonian. The beautiful national monuments. The beautiful countryside which includes civil war battlefields. There is so much history in this area. Numerous parks in D.C.

    There is an incredible amount of diversity here as far as the citizenry is concerned. Considering that there are embassies and consulates from virtually every nation on the planet, this comes as no surprise.

    There is just about every kind of cuisine here as well. You name it, you can find it.

    What recreational opportunities do you have?

    Mountains to the West (mountain biking, hiking, etc.), rivers (tubing, kayaking, canoeing, swimming, etc.), beach to the East.

    A great selection of theatres, night clubs, bars, etc.

    What do you like about it?

    All of the above! There is just so much to see, learn about and do.

    What do you hate about it?

    Not much really. I cannot think of anything right now.

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

    See above.

    Would you recommend it, and why?

    Definitely! Especially if you are an American and want to learn more about this great country.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

    The cost of living is somewhat expensive. Not at all like Silicon Valley, but still high.

    How is it different from other places you have been?

    Considerably! I'm from Texas (and proud of it!) This area has so much more to offer than where I am from (a small city named Beaumont, TX (Texas)). We called it "Boremont" ;-)

    I've lived all over the U.S. and I can say this is one of my three favorite places. (The other two being Portland, OR (Oregon) and the Rocky Mountains just outside of Denver, CO (Colorado). Other places I've lived: Rochester, NY (New York), Tacoma, WA (Washington), Austin, TX. Outside of the U.S., I've lived in Africa (Accra, Ghana) and Istanbul, Turkey. So, you could say I've been around. There is ABSOLUTELY no place I'd rather live than the United States of America! Granted, there are many other amazing places in the world, but we just have it so good here. I love to travel and intend on doing so much more often in my life, but it's wonderful to come back home.

    Some other posters on this page have said some things that don't reflect to well on their intelligence. Certainly America has its flaws, but generalizations about a country and its people do nothing for international relations. They only send us further apart.

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    "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein

    South Pole, Antarctica (4.66 / 3) (#305)
    by henrym on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 10:01:30 PM EST

    Currently living at Amundensen-Scott South Pole Station.

    I came here on a year long contract last October. I'll be here for another two and half months.

    There are only 51 people living here, so there's not much in the way of cultural opportunities. Lots of movies, communal meals, and amazing people make up for it. We tend to make our own entertainment...for example tonight is Casino Night.

    What do I like about it? I'm living on the bottom of the world! Right now we're getting close to the end of our 5 months of darkness, but it's amazing to be able to go outside, lie at the geographical pole, and watch the auroras dance in the sky.

    What do I hate? It's the bottom of the world. We haven't had contact with the outside world since Feb 15th, and we won't see another plane till late October. The lack of fresh food is bothersome, and we ran out of beer in April. Five months without the sun is a LONG time.

    What qualities stand out? The people. Everyone living here is amazing.

    Would I recommend it? It's not for everyone. There's a lot of monotony, and once you're here, there's no leaving. Spending a winter here is a mental challenge, but if you just do a summer season, it's not too bad.

    If you were to move here, good luck! There's only a couple of tech jobs per year, but you'll be doing some cool things. Bring lots of movies and chocolate. Hoard the beer early in the season.

    State College, PA (none / 0) (#306)
    by Saruman on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 10:04:55 PM EST

    Where do you live?

    State College Pennsylvania. It is in the very center of the state and is surrounded completely by farms.

    Why do you live there?

    I am currently a Penn State University student. Two or three more years and I should have a CS degree.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?

    There is a bit, depending on what you are interested in. State college is a gigantic town in the middle of central Pennsylvania. There is the Palmer museum of art on campus which regularly rotates displays. Drama/Theater students often put on shows in the campus playhouse. We have a gigantic arena called the Bryce Jordan center which holds all kinds of events, mainly bands passing though. Almost every band on tour comes here between Pittsburgh and Philly. We get well known speakers that come here every once and a while. This past year we have had Janet Reno, Ben Stein, and Bob Woodward come though to speak. Every summer there is a large arts festival which brings in quite a large number of people.

    What recreational opportunities do you have?

    Well, most people around here usually hang out at the numerous bars and frat parties. There are all kinds of sporting events to attend, as PSU is a big 10 school.

    What do you like about it?

    It is rather easy to get around up here without a car. As a matter of fact, having a car in the central area of this town can be more hassle than it is worth. Some of the town (the campus area) is quite pretty. The town actually has some very good restaurants, which is surprising for central PA. The weather stays mild most of the time, though we do get the occasional oddity. As stated above, there is really plenty to do. The education from the university is quite good in certain departments like engineering or agricultural sciences.

    What do you hate about it?

    With so much drinking going on here it can get a bit rowdy during sporting events and during the arts festival, though I don't know how one gets rowdy at an arts festival. This has led to a couple of riots in the past. You get tired of seeing the drunken frat people staggering around.

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

    This is really a college town. Everything here has adapted to serve the university. Just look at the name of the town 'State College'.

    Would you recommend it, and why?

    It is really is a pretty nice place to live. If I was not taking classes I would live a bit farther away from campus to keep away from the whole frat scene. That way you could still partake in all of the activities offered by the University.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

    I would say you should keep tabs on what is going on with the University. Read the college newspaper to keep up with events.

    How is it different from other places you have been?

    It is larger than most places I have lived. I believe the University has 40,000 students, and 40,000 people live in town. I am used to smaller communities.

    London, Ontario. (none / 0) (#308)
    by haflinger on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 10:11:05 PM EST

    Where do you live?

    London, Ontario, Canada. The hub of southern Ontario.

    Why do you live there?

    I went to Western for graduate work.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?

    Er, culture? There is a playhouse downtown. They only seem to play bad plays. There is an annual fringe festival, and the occasional decent band plays in a bar. I can't go to bars because of smoke, so there ya go. Richmond Row is really cool, in general, though. Several good diners and coffee shops.

    Additionally, lots of excellent pizza, and some decent Indian and Lebanese food.

    What recreational opportunities do you have?

    Er, well. I spend a lot of my time online. Bars are offlimits due to my smoking problem, and frankly there isn't much else to do. There are the usual boring things, movie theaters, etc. The rep theater at Western shows mainstream dull films after they've gone out of general release for cheap.

    What do you like about it?

    Great pizza. I cannot stress this enough. If you're visiting London, eat the pizza (as long as it's local). Sammy's Souvlaki is also an experience. The city isn't far from Toronto so you can do things over in TO without much hassle. (I daytripped the finals of the Canadian Open tennis tournament last year. It was fun, even in the rain.)

    What do you hate about it?

    Plenty. Right now, the weather. You know, I always used to think people who said "It's not the heat, it's the humidity" were full of it. Now I have lived 3 summers in London. I know what they mean. The thermometer says 31 or 32, but the humidex (temperature adjusted for humidity, i.e. the temperature that you feel) is in the mid-40s.

    That's Celsius, folks. For reference, 45 Celsius is 113 Fahrenheit. You go outside, and suddenly blood temperature feels cool.

    Also, the people here are rather parochial, closed-minded, and overwhelmingly white. This is not multiculturalism.

    Would you recommend it, and why?

    No. The pizza is great, but it's not worth it.

    Only go here if you want to go to Western. And I would only recommend Western if there's a graduate program you want to take. The undergraduates suffer from the excesses of mass learning; there are thousand-student classes in first year. This is becoming distressingly common in Ontario; actually, I tend to recommend Canadian parents send their teens to non-Ontario colleges; it'll be cheaper (Ontario universities are the most expensive in Canada) and likely better, as they'll actually get to talk to their profs instead of watching them on tv screens.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

    East of Adelaide. Adelaide Street runs north-south; east of it lies an area called East London. This area is more dangerous than the rest of London; however, it's not the place that many Londoners think of it. I lived on Adelaide for a few months when I first came to London, and it's tough, yes, but nothing like Main and Hastings in Vancouver. There are a lot of bikers (and yes, some of them are Hell's Angels) out east.

    How is it different from other places you have been?

    I have lived in a lot of different places, as my various comments on this story probably make clear. London is a mid-sized city, 2 hours from Toronto, which is rather parochial and backward.

    Did people from the future send George Carlin back in time to save rusty and K5? - leviramsey

    Kihei, Hawaii (none / 0) (#310)
    by cmholm on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 10:16:10 PM EST

    Where do you live? I'm in Kihei, a town of about 10K on the southwest coast of Maui, Hawaii, USA. Kihei has a split personality, with boatloads of vacation condos and multi-million dollar homes within a block of the beach, single family homes for residents inland. "Inland" is a relative term. The town faces seven miles of coast, but is only a half-mile wide, max.

    Why do you live there? Like a lot of visitors, we wanted to experience "life in paradise", and finally managed to find a job at an Air Force computing center to pay the bills. Having gotten though the "I can't believe I'm living in Hawaii" stage, three years later we still love it.

    What cultural opportunities do you have? Not too much in Kihei itself. Annual events include the Maui Film Festival with nighttime movie premieres on the Wailea golf course, the Whale Day Festival at Kalama Park, from which you can often see the humpbacks jumping around offshore, and elementary schools host Ho'olalea Hawaiian cultural shows for parents and families. The nightclubs occasionally have a big name pop act roll through, particularly at Hapa's.

    Elsewhere on the island, there's the yearly County Fair, Makawao Rodeo, Hana Taro Festival, Chinese New Year parade, the Japanese Bodo Festival, and the like. Halloween Night on Front Street in Lahaina!! In Kahului, the Maui Arts and Cultural Center hosts both local and big name concerts, art house films, theatre, and fine art shows. Theatre goers can also see the in-house performers in Wailuku at the Iao Theatre.

    There are several historical societies, usually housed in one of the old estates of a missionary family.

    Yearly sporting events include the Run To The Sun (beach to 10kft elevation), Maui Marathon, Hula Bowl, and Maui Invitational College Basketball, as well as fishing and outrigger canoe races too numerous to mention.

    What recreational opportunities do you have? Anything to do with the ocean, from surfing to whatever you can imagine. For local color, Kihei alone is home to a couple of outrigger canoe clubs, both very active in men's, women's, and mixed divisions.

    Kalama Park has the usual organized and informal baseball/basketball/tennis/soccer, and also includes a roller hockey rink and a skate park. Many of the local hula halaus practice at the Kihei Youth Center.

    As is befitting of a major visitor destination, the island as a whole has numerous diversions. Local favorites include shoreline and deep sea fishing, beach bbq, surfing, Upcountry horseriding, and backcountry hikes to a swimming hole.

    What do you like about it? Watching the sun set behind Lanai. DSL/Cable/unofficial 802.11 internet? Got it! Being two degrees of separation from almost all of the long term residents. 10Kft mountain behind me, sea before me. Friendliness of the long term residents. Relatively uncrowded. Short walk or drive to shopping. Women and kids are relatively safe, even when alone. Not as good as Japan in this regard, but head and shoulders over the Mainland.

    What do you hate about it? The northern three miles of beach tend to stink of rotting seaweed. Real estate prices are nearly at Silicon Valley levels (but not your salary), and the average build quality is "casual". Most neighborhoods look a lot more dishevelled than I was used to in southern California. $2 gas is cheap, as is a $4 gallon of milk.

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad) When you go back to most parts of the Mainland to see family, etc, you notice it's crawling with haoles. ;-)
    Good: When the other residents figure you're here to stay, they really open up. Very polite resident drivers. After all, the next bird you flip or horn you honk might be your boss or your kid's teacher. High Polynesian/Asian regard for children. Vignette: drunks at Kalama Park walk a towheaded kid from the curb of the main drag back to his inattentive haole parents three times, finally laying into them with some serious invective regarding the welfare of children.

    Bad: Seasons? No overnight beach camping. Not a lot of available resident men, whatever your gender.

    Would you recommend it, and why? Yes. It's a great place to raise kids, the pace is relatively slow, and the environment healthy. You feel lucky to live there. Even as you carry on with your everyday tasks, the beauty awaits every time you look up.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know? What the hell are you planning to do for work? Ditto for a rental. Better have the Sunday edition of the Maui News delivered to you for a few months first, so that you can take care of these questions before you get there. The quality of instruction at the public schools can be seriously mediocre, so get to know the PTA for the gossip on the da kine teachers. Strangers will strike up conversation with you in public, and it's polite for you take at least a couple of minutes of time out to "talk story." Give way to merging traffic, stay off the horn, and in generally in daily life don't be an asshole, otherwise you'll soon find that karma's a bitch.

    How is it different from other places you have been? The smallest town by far I've lived in. Incredibility diverse population, both by culture and national origin. I rarely find myself wondering where I'm going to move to next.

    Dunedin, New Zealand (4.00 / 1) (#311)
    by hengist on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 10:17:15 PM EST

    On the southern quarter of the east coast of the South Island of New Zealand. Population about 120,000 people, of which >20k are students. It is a student town, with the University of Otago (New Zealand's best, and the southernmost university in the world) the polytech and college of education (teacher's college).

    Dunedin has the worlds southernmost synagogue, and maybe the worlds southernmost mosque as well (it's new, only opened about a year ago). The university brings a wide range of people to the city, so it's not unusual to see Chinese, Koreans and Persians in a space of a few minutes, especially on the campus.

    Although the population has been static for >100 years, the city is expanding. In terms of area, Dunedin is the largest city in the southern hemisphere.

    The city is built around a harbour, which is itself the caldera of an extinct volcano. There are several active fault lines running through the city, so we get mild earthquakes every now and then. The only flat land in the city proper is South Dunedin, which connects the peninsula to the mainland, and the Central Business District, which is reclaimed land. Further inland is the Taieri Plain, which is where the airport is located, along with the suburb / town of Mosgiel.

    At the North end of the peninsula is the worlds only mainland Royal Albatross colony. The peninsula is also the site of New Zealand's only castle (yes, it is haunted, or so they say :-) )

    The city was built by the Scots, so there is a very strong Scottish flavour to the culture here. They make a very good haggis here :-)

    Why do you live there?

    In no particular order, work, study and love. I teach at the university and am also doing my PhD there. Finally, I'm engaged to another PhD student here.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?

    We have museums, an art gallery, a symphony orchestra, numerous local bands, and, ummm, lots of really good beer :-)

    What recreational opportunities do you have?

    Lots. Drive for 15 minutes in any direction and you're in the countryside. There are some spectacular beaches and some impressive hills. They're all fairly easily accessible.

    What do you like about it?

    Friendly people. I've never felt threatened walking alone at night in Dunedin. If a tourist is standing on the street, someone will probably ask them if they need help pretty quickly.

    It's also a very student oriented city. There are a lot of student bars, and most of the shops here do some kind of student discount.

    While some other places in New Zealand have problems with racial intolerance, that doesn't happen here.

    What do you hate about it?

    The cold. And the damp. The cold damp. Winter goes from March to November. Summer goes from the start of January to... the end of January. Rest of the time the weather is poor but tolerable. There is nothing between Dunedin and Antarctica, so the winter southerly winds get a bit savage.

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

    Already covered them, I think. Living costs are low, but some items are more expensive. Getting a tech job outside of the university is difficult. Actually, getting any kind of job outside of the university is difficult, the university is the biggest employer in the city (and the South Island).

    Would you recommend it, and why?

    Yes, but don't stay as long as I have (9 years). The people here are the nicest I've ever seen, and I miss the place terribly when I'm away.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

    Bring at least two umbrellas. One will get broken by the wind within two weeks of arriving. A backup is imoprtant.

    How is it different from other places you have been?

    More relaxed, laid back than other cities. Not to mention wetter and colder :-)

    There can be no Pax Americana

    cbs.nf.ca (none / 0) (#313)
    by three-pipe on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 10:34:42 PM EST

    Where do you live?

    i live in conception bay south (CBS), newfoundland, canada. its a rural suburb of the capital of newfoundland, st. john's.

    Why do you live there?

    well, i was born here, and i'm woring towards a chemistry degree at MUN. the program is quite strong (one recent addition to the department commented to me that the training is as strong as any he's seen in the US, including Brookhaven and Harvard. plus, my mom's basement is nearby. :D

    What cultural opportunities do you have?

    well. we have an active symphony orchestra, a lively theatre and dance scene. George Street has the highest amount of bars per area in North America, and the off-george street bars (including the legendary Ship Inn) are nice places to go for a pint. annual festivals include: SoundSymposium, the Tuckamore Festival, St. John's Independent Film Festival, and Festival 500 (every two years), an international choir festival.

    What recreational opportunities do you have?

    extensive walking trails, plenty o golf, rowing, sailing, hockey, mountain biking are all prevalent in the aread. sea kayaking too.

    What do you like about it?

    well, i have to say that the slower pace of life is nice..... the recent article on SUVs made me smile because most people have no pretensions, they just buy trucks to haul gear with and cars to drive around to the mall and whatnot. the university community is strong, the arts are well supported, and the city is smog-free. you can breathe the air all year long. also, much of the city's architecture has been preserved (we are the oldest city in north america). there are large churches in our downtown (pretty to look at), and plenty of independent business. oh, and theres the humor. you cant really ride a high horse here. you can't really get away being petty or competetive. you get cut down in a hurry.

    What do you hate about it?

    i dont like how theres still a well-entrenched christian grip on the city. not that being a christian is a bad thing, but that its a bit intellectually lazy to just believe it 'cause its tradition and in a book. not that we're fundamentalists or evangelicals or anything, heck, most of the catholics here are as 'salt of the earth' as they come. but its a real waste of time and resources. i dont like the fact that the big box chains are trying to weasel their way into the market. and i dont like the parking regulations.

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

    friendliness. we have some very friendly people in this city. its not a place to feel threatened, nor inferior. no freeways, no traffic jams. and we let our kids run around and try the flaky, liberal life. we know they'll smarten up.

    Would you recommend it, and why?

    i cant really make a recommendation. i have little, if nothing, to contrast the st. john's experience with (you may have noticed that i spend little time in CBS. its not the place to be if you're smart, a little artsy, and open-minded), so i really can't say yea or nay.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

    how to laugh, where to go for the right kind of scene, and how to navigate rawlin's cross.

    so... yeah. thats st. john's. i like it. a good scene, not too much pressure. and a real penchant for thought among citizens (as opposed to the populace).


    -chad \\ warfordium.org \\
    Aberystwyth, Wales (near England) (4.00 / 1) (#322)
    by 5pectre on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 11:30:23 PM EST

    Where do you live?
    Aberystwyth, Wales

    Why do you live there?
    I attend the University of Wales, Aberystwyth and I love the area.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?
    National library of Wales is in aber, there's also the castle. Although not in aber, the Centre for Alternative Technology is in nearby Machynlleth.

    What recreational opportunities do you have?
    * 56 Licensed premises
    * A very poor cinema
    * Walking/Sitting near the sea
    * There is an 'animalarium' in nearby Borth
    * Quite a few local history and 'hippah' shops (if you like that sort of thing)
    * Drugs, if you know where to go

    What do you like about it?
    * 24 Hour Spar (local mini-market) (I'd never had any 24 Hour food dispenser before)
    * Wind generated power nearby
    * Miles from anywhere
    * *Beautiful* bluebell forest in spring
    * Excellent countryside
    * Great sea views and sunsets

    What do you hate about it?
    * The weather (it sucks 90% of the year) (windy, rainy, dull, grim)
    * The townies
    * Poor/Expensive public transport
    * Lack of good music (see townie argument above).

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
    Very low crime, usually drunken scuffles from what i've seen. Huge hill.

    Would you recommend it, and why?
    I'd recommend it if you like small towns, there really is very little to do aside from hanging out with friends, be this at home, at a bar, at the castle or at the beach.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
    When I moved here I already knew quite a few people from IRC and from meeting some on the Linux Beer Walk. So i'm not sure what it would be like to move here without knowing anyone.

    How is it different from other places you have been?
    It's bigger than where I grew up (outside Loughborough in Leicestershire. England) but that isn't saying much. Everything is signposted in both Welsh and English. The roads are *very* windy.

    "Let us kill the English, their concept of individual rights might undermine the power of our beloved tyrants!!" - Lisa Simpson [ -1.50 / -7.74]

    Long Island, NY (New York) USA (none / 0) (#323)
    by arthurpsmith on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 11:43:33 PM EST

    Where do you live? One of the little suburban towns that's part of the "Town" of Brookhaven, Suffolk County, New York. About 60 miles from Manhattan. And underneath the busiest skies in the world - remember those scenes of air traffic from Star Wars Episode I on Coruscant? Well, it's not quite that bad here, yet...

    Why do you live there? Work. I actually grew up in Canada, and lived in a number of other states before we finally moved here.

    What cultural opportunities do you have? New York City is only an hour or so away; Washington DC is a few hours ride south, Boston a few hours ride north. But even on the island there's an awful lot to see and do. The new Cradle of Aviation Museum opened here a couple of months ago, which we've enjoyed even more than the Smithsonian Air and Space museum (they've crammed a lot more aerospace stuff where you can actually get close to it and see it). There's quaint villages on the North Shore (Northport, Stony Brook, Port Jefferson), farms and farmstands in the east, the Hamptons on the south fork, Shelter Island with it's tourist attractions and parks, Greenport (Scrabble international world headquarters, among other things...). There's the scientific stuff at Stony Brook University, Cold Spring Harbor, Brookhaven Lab. And dozens of smaller colleges and universities dotting the place. There's a local minor leage baseball team that is very popular, lots of community sports activities and the like (we just got back from a big pickup baseball game at one of the local schools). And if you asked anybody else here they'd probably come up with a dozen completely different cultural highlights (wineries, the Vanderbilt museum - or even Levittown, home of Zippy the Pinhead (or his friend, can't remember which)!).

    What recreational opportunities do you have? Beaches. Long Island has about two hundred miles of beaches. Maybe more. Anywhere you are here, you're within 10 miles of a beach. The summer's too hot and humid? Go to the beach. Winter's dull and gray? A brisk walk on a beach or boardwalk with the wind in your face will cheer you up no end! Sure there's water parks and roller coasters and canoeing and hiking and trail biking (no mountains here though), but the beaches are where it's at.

    What do you like about it? When we first moved here we thought we'd have a hard time here; it didn't help our first rented house was a wreck and we arrived in time for the worst snow season ever. But after a few years, we've grown to love the place. It's beautifully green most of the year. We have rabbits, squirrels, chipmunks, and a huge variety of birds in our backyard all year long (luckily the raccoons seem to have disappeared - for now). We have great neighbors, restaurants we love, busy lives, everything we could want, it seems.

    What do you hate about it? The one thing that's a little scary is how many people there are here. 7 million on the island, 3 million in "Long Island" proper (the other 4 million in Brooklyn and Queens, part of New York City). Housing developments keep springing up all over the place, and like any American suburb, it's almost impossible to get anywhere without a car (though a little ice cream parlor did just open up down the street...) Traffic is pretty bad if you have to commute west to work - luckily my commute is the other direction and it doesn't bother me at all. And you get used to it. Drivers are not as polite as on the west coast of the US, but after living here a year or two you'll learn how to avoid them honking at you. The other thing I don't like is, after living in Seattle, I really miss the mountains. And taxes are high. And electricity rates are the highest in the country. Ok, now you've got me started :-)

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad) The land is beautiful, the ocean is close. The people are really nice, though they are New Yorkers (don't get on their wrong side...). The place has a nice mix of old and new, with some towns dating back to the early 1600's. You're between farmland and megalopolis here - you can make your life as exciting or as boring as you want.

    Would you recommend it, and why? I love the place now; on the other hand, it's getting a little on the crowded side. So you guys stay where you are, we'll just enjoy it here, ok?

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know? Cost of living here is high. House prices are astronomical; rental places, if you manage to even find one, are even worse. So you'd better ask for a real big raise before making the move (unless you're coming here from Silicon Valley...) You'd better know how to drive in heavy traffic. And if you know how to swim, or better surf, you'll definitely enjoy the place more.

    How is it different from other places you have been? We've lived in Seattle, and near Chicago, and I lived in Canada growing up. In many ways Long Island is typical suburban America - prototypical in fact; the suburb was almost invented here. The number of people here, the layers of government are one difference. The mafia guys who collect the garbage are another... The weather here is great though, and the beaches are superb.

    Energy - our most critical problem; the solution may be in space.


    Duluth, MN (none / 0) (#324)
    by jpeacock on Thu Aug 01, 2002 at 11:53:23 PM EST

    Where do you live? Duluth Minnesota USA

    Why do you live there?
    I'm going on my 5th year of college... i tried to leave at least 3 times that i can think of, but all to no avail... i ended up buying a house and loving the town... also, kayaking, lake superior is 4 blocks away, camping on the north shore, etc... other outdoor things are quite abundant.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?
    the town has a music scene, but they all seem the same for the most part... hippie rock or folk rock... it's ok, but it gets old after a while when you really are itchin' for a punk rock show.

    What recreational opportunities do you have?
    swimming (lake superior is warm enough about 2 days out of the year, but none the less, swimming is great... the lester river is the reason why "swimming hole" got its name)

    What do you like about it?
    the outdoor stuff, the university mentality of the neighborhood (the students, not the regular neighbors, who BTW hate the students)

    What do you hate about it?
    how liberal the people are but how conservative the lawmakers/enforcers are. It's a town filled with hippies, yet the local gov't passes laws to build golf courses and give out tons and tons of underage consumption tickets. (and they hassle the ones who ARE of age just for grilling out on their porch).

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
    the outdoor lifestyle is very prevelant in duluth, as well as the attraction of the universities. Duluth is almost 100,000 people, but still maintains the very small town feel.

    Would you recommend it, and why?
    yes, i definitely would. It grew on me over the last 4 years and i would highly recommend it to people who like a small town feel with the benefits of a larger city (transportation, shopping, etc...)

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
    live either east or west, not central duluth.

    How is it different from other places you have been?
    the people are HORRIBLE drivers! absolutely the worst ever... they don't know the concept of "right of way" at 4 way stops, as well as passing, speed limits, or turn signals.. man oh man, do they ever not know how to use a turn signal. The way to deal with it though is to just be very defensive, because they aren't reckless, just ignorant and slow. Solution: just drive fast, and don't pay attention that they're even on the road.

    Des Moines, IA (none / 0) (#327)
    by code0 on Fri Aug 02, 2002 at 12:07:13 AM EST

    Where do you live?
    Des Moines, IA - or the middle of the giant corn field.

    Why do you live there?
    I'm a high school student and my dad got a job here.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?
    Some. We have nights on the river, but I've been taking a liking to Saylorville Lake.

    What recreational opportunities do you have?
    Saylorville Lake, Grays Lake, malls, movies, etc.

    What do you like about it?
    Its not too smoggy. You can see one of the Principal Insurance towers from Saylorville.

    What do you hate about it?
    Its Iowa.

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
    Uhhh.... From nice neighborhood to ghetto in 60s if you don't watch it. :-D The LockerGnome is also from Des Moines.

    Would you recommend it, and why?
    Maybe. Its a nice midwest place. Pretty low crime from what I've seen.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
    The DOT is a pain in the ass if you're under 18.

    How is it different from other places you have been?
    Biggest yet. I've lived in La Crosse, WI and Albert Lea, MN.

    Cranberry Township, Pennsylvania, United States (none / 0) (#328)
    by Nuke Skyjumper on Fri Aug 02, 2002 at 12:30:18 AM EST

    I posted earlier about Pittsburgh, since that's the closest city, and where I was born - about 15 miles straight south of here. I feel like it's necessary to mention Cranberry Twp, since it's growing at such a ridiculous pace it seems like it might eclipse Pittsburgh sometime in the next couple decades.

    Where do you live?
    Cranberry Township, Pennsylvania, USA. Formerly known as Crider's Corners, PA. Located in western Pennsylvania, about 15 miles north of Pittsburgh. The town is mostly suburbs, and houses a huge number of rich commuters who work in Pittsburgh. Its current population is around 25,000 people and growing very fast.

    This town was built on the connecting point of southwestern Pennsylvania's most major highways, Interstate 79, Route 19, Route 228, and Pennsylvania turnpike (aka Interstate 76). State route 8 and the famous Route 66 aren't very far, either.

    Why do you live there?
    Because my parents moved here when I was in elementary school. I probably won't be here too much longer, since I have one of the several college degrees that I plan on obtaining before moving out.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?
    The culture here is essentially what you would expect out of a typical White American Suburb(tm). Of course, everybody speaks English and rarely anything else.

    This place has its own flavor, since most of the people who live here, don't work here. The majority of Cranberry Twp residents are wealthy professionals, or "yuppies" who work in and commute to Pittsburgh. The rest are mostly small-town type country folk who have lived here and in the surrounding area their whole lives.

    What recreational opportunities do you have?
    Cranberry Twp is surrounded by rural nothingness to the north, east, and west. And because of that, the usual cultural phenomenon applies - things like car cruises (American term for "classic car show") are very common. The small town to the north, Butler, has a very big carnival each year. Cranberry Twp is covered head to toe in Christian churches, and many of them hold gatherings such as a "fish fry".

    One of the few very unique things to this area, I'm told, is the sport of Paintball. There is a very large and popular paintball course/field a few miles from my house. Local paintballers tell me that the biggest paintball tournament in the world is held here, though I believe this year it's happening north of us in Butler. I don't know much about the sport, but it seems strange to me that the sport's biggest gathering, which attracts fans from countries all over the world, happens in a suburb town full of commuters. A cultural breakthrough that's really big in California, the UK, and... Cranberry Township, PA? Weird.

    I'm not sure what the majority (yuppies) do for fun here. Since most of them are in their late 20s to early 40s, raising their family is a top priority.

    This town does have its own theater, which I've heard attracts very good acts. Unfortunately though, I don't think it's very popular.

    What do you like about it?
    Travel. Being an admitted driveaholic, I love having every major highway at my disposal. This town is centered around commuting and highway travel. Gas is pretty cheap here - $1.29/gallon last week, just jumped to $1.39 a few days ago. The local municipality understands the dependence on cars here, and recently installed a multi-million dollar traffic light system that detects areas of heavy traffic using magnets in the road and adjusts the lights automatically.

    Since there's an abundance of rich homeowners here, the township can keep taxes low and still bring in tons of money. The police force is well staffed, and do a good job in keeping violent crime down to levels that would make most other towns of this size envious. I feel completely safe jogging in complete darkness here, at any hour of the day. This is convenient, because the streets are swarming with joggers during the day.

    Lots of things are open 24-hours - almost all of the gas stations, mini-marts, Wal-Mart, both major supermarkets, several restaurants, and the local Krispy Kreme donut shop.

    Drive-through everything - Two McDonalds, Two Burger Kings, One Wendys, and several other fast food places. One can also get donuts and coffee at any hour of the day, via the Krispy Kreme drive-through. One of the town's three Starbucks has a drive-through window.

    What do you hate about it?
    Yuppies. They're rich, and they think they're in charge. Beware of BMWs changing lanes without turn signals.

    Too many soccer moms. This may fit into the yuppie category too, but my complaint is mostly that nearly everyone living here is at the age where they are raising kids. Minivans and SUVs crowd the streets, and are quite annoying. Parents here seem very overprotective of their children, especially from all the cars. They don't hesitate to scream bloody murder at drivers going too fast through neighborhoods/parking lots where kids might be playing.

    Attitudes. Too many people think they're the hotshot, and everyone else is scum. They aren't usually directly rude, but it's noticeable in things like stores' checkout lines where everybody wants to be first.

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
    Obviously, the abundance of wealthy people. And conversely, the abundance of small town countryfolk living in the same area. I find it very interesting to see so many people dressed either business casual or trashy with ripped jeans and a T-shirt.

    Would you recommend it, and why?
    I highly recommend the area, but only if you're prepared to avoid your neighbors. There isn't much neighborly friendliness, and newcomers might get very disgusted with the yuppie attitude.

    This may be the ideal town for Americans who need to commute to Pittsburgh daily, or want to live in a backwoods type area with heavy civilization closeby. I wouldn't recommend coming here from a non-English speaking country. I also wouldn't recommend coming here if you aren't of European ancestry. Racism isn't much of a problem, but those who aren't white here really do stand out.

    How is it different from other places you have been?
    Having not had a lifetime to travel yet, I can only compare to a few places. Summers feel much hotter than they really are due to very high humidity. Winters can range from barely freezing to severe snowfall.

    As I said above, the status and wealth of most of the people in this town lead them to believe that they're very important. People are far more humble in most other places, even the city itself. You're more likely to get yelled at by somebody for smoking a cigarette near the entrace to a store here than most other places.

    -
    I suppose this was probably only interesting to Americans who don't live in the suburbs.

    Though I hope those k5 readers from far away lands read this and understand that the culture of the US is more than just the big city, the small town, and the suburbs. Sometimes you find a strange mixture of all three.

    Palo Alto, CA (4.00 / 1) (#329)
    by artadams on Fri Aug 02, 2002 at 12:36:57 AM EST

    Where do you live?

    Palo Alto, California.

    Why do you live there?

    I grew up here. After ten years of living in Southern California I missed it and decided to come back. I discovered you can't come home again.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?

    San Francisco is 30 miles away: museums, musicals, art galleries, festivals... there a tremendous amount of diversity crammed into a seven mile by seven mile city.

    San Jose is 20 miles south and has considerably less to do, but it still has an opera, a modern art museum, parks and some theater action.

    Palo Alto itself has a small collection of museums and cultural organizations. There's an excellent theater company in town.

    What recreational opportunities do you have?

    My favorite place to go is west, to the California coastline between Santa Cruz and San Francisco. It's relatively unspoiled with a lot of hidden beaches. San Francisco can be a very cool place to hang out with lots to see and do. It's the kind of place that you can't ever really finish exploring. Quirky neighborhoods, lots of shops and restaurants, no parking.

    Palo Alto, land of my birth, has changed considerably from the days when it was just a college town (Stanford is here) and a nice place to raise kids. There's an occasional musical event in one of the parks, but I think the new pasttime is shopping. Downtown now consists of nothing but high-end chain stores designed to suck the money from dot-com pockets. It used to have a very large, cool and ornate movie theater named "The Varsity" that showed old movies. It's now a Borders bookstore. The Stanford theater, a few blocks away, shows movies from the 50's and earlier and is always packed.

    What do you like about it?

    The diversity of the San Francisco Bay Area. The variety. The weather. (It's never too hot and never too cold.) The fact that it's a fairly liberal place, politically. The people are relatively friendly. There's lots to do and lots of places to do it.

    What do you hate about it?

    The dot-com boom. House prices are astronomical. Don't think about buying a home here unless you have $520,000 to spend on a fixer-upper. Rents are very high too, although they've come down slightly with the dot-com crash. Traffic has eased up with the layoffs but people still drive like maniacs. In ten years road rage has gone from non-existent to normal. People in general are ruder, in more of a hurry, and less attentive.

    Mostly I hate that I'll have to leave here in order to have any sort of retirement, or to own a house.

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

    Mostly people can do their own thing without excessive fear of narrower minds intervening. It's a fairly safe area, crimewise. If something  exists culturally, you can probably find it in the Bay Area if you look hard enough. We don't have the large puritanical influence that seems to be sweeping most of the rest of the U.S.

    Would you recommend it, and why?

    I would recommend it to multimillionaires everywhere. It's a beautiful place, for the most part. Lots of trees, beautiful views, 40 minutes from the coast, a few hours to the snow, people of all types living in (mostly) peace and harmony, except when they get on the freeways in their SUV's. There are some really beautiful neighborhoods here.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

    How to program a computer. Programmers seem to make enough money to live here comfortably. The rest of us struggle by while trying to figure where we're going to move.

    Don't expect to pick up a house cheap. Expect to spend at least $1000 monthly on a studio apartment.

    How is it different from other places you have been?

    I lived in Los Angeles for ten years. In general people here aren't nearly that superficial. LA culture is an oxymoron, whereas here it really exists.

    This area is becoming more and more like LA. In LA you can't get away from the movie industry: everyone talks about it everywhere, you can't get away from it. Up until last year you couldn't walk down the street here without hearing about IPO's, stock options, stock trading tips and networking. That's eased up a bit, fortunately. People have discovered there's more to life than owning stock in Webvan.

    I visited New York for the first time last week and discovered that the population was much friendlier than it is here. That was a bit of a surprise.

    riverside, a lovely little town... (3.00 / 2) (#332)
    by rastafarii on Fri Aug 02, 2002 at 01:10:32 AM EST

           Where do you live?

    riverside, california, usa about 60 miles due east from downtown los angeles, california, usa

          Why do you live there?

    i was sent there by the military, bought a house at the top of market, retired and then could not afford to sell and move, then they closed/downsized both local bases!

          What cultural opportunities do you have?

    watching massive amounts of illegal mexicans swarming up here from mexico, shitting in summer in the local lakes, drinking reservoirs and mountain streams, their kids
    spray painting gang signs on every flat surface they can reach, their trash couches, piss-soaked carpets and rusted refrigerators dumped in every alley and vacant lot,
    overcrowding the schools, the welfare hospital er, driving their old smoking beater cars with no license, insurance or smog check, the endless ice cream trucks and street
    vendors cluttering up residential streets, selling spoiled frozen shrimp from roadside stands out in the county roads for only $2.99 per pound, disposable diapers
    dumped in big store parking lots by the hundreds on s aturday, their out of control pit bull mixes running loose in the streets and attacking people, visiting a walmart or
    k-mart on saturday and not hearing english spoken until we reach the check out counter, these are a few of my favorite things...

          What recreational opportunities do you have?

    driving to the coast, south or north to get away from here.

          What do you hate about it?

    the heat, the dust, the bad air particulates from the endless dairy farms and their huge shit mountains, the complete abdication of code compliance, old cars left on the
    street for years at a time, old junker cars driven with the registration expired for a decade or more [no smog check needed there...] skin head gang bangers parking in
    the middle of the street with both doors open blasting their music so no normal person can drive by, the police department telling me they cannot enforce street vendor
    laws because a] they don't apply, and b] they don't have them in their copy of the municipal code... [funny, they appear in the code posted on the city's website...]

          What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

    see above, qv

          Would you recommend it, and why?

    NOT ONLY NO, BUT HELL NO!, see above.

          If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

    learn how to get an untraceable pistol and wipe all the shells with an ass-wipe as you load the magazines, wearing latex gloves...

          How is it different from other places you have been?

    it has all the worst attributes of california/mexico with none of the benefits!


    Bahía Blanca, Argentina (none / 0) (#340)
    by jazzido on Fri Aug 02, 2002 at 01:43:34 AM EST

    Where do you live?
    I live in Bahía Blanca, Argentina. About 650 km south of Buenos Aires.
    It has a population of about 300k, being the most important city in the country's southern region.

    Why do you live there?
    I was born here. The local University has a pretty good CS department, so i didn't need to move to study.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?
    There aren't many serious cultural offers besides of the University.
    I'm a jazz bass player, and it's quite difficult to find a decent place to perform with the band.

    What do you hate about it?

    • The (older) people.
    • We are literally surrounded by military bases (Navy: Puerto Belgrano. Army: Batallon 181. Air Force: Espora). I don't like them.
    • The local media.
    • The night scene.


    --
    "Patriotism is the last resource of scoundrels" (Samuel Johnson)

    Melbourne, Australia (none / 0) (#343)
    by Draken on Fri Aug 02, 2002 at 01:53:48 AM EST

    Why?
    Because I was born here, of course!

    Cultural
    Afraid I'm not very cultural myself, but Melbourne definitely is. It's touted as one of the world's most multicultural cities (eg. I think it's got the largest population of Greeks/city outside of Greece), with most cultures from the world represented in some way - some in very large numbers. Plus, museums, galleries, festivals, etc.

    Recreational! Well, basically Melbourne is one of the biggest towns for sports in the world. It's the home of AFL - that is, "Aussie Rules" to everyone else. It's got 2 large footy stadiums, the MCG - almost 100,000 capacity and Docklands Stadium at ~60,000. Plus, look for a while and you can probably find any sport you want.
    Other recreation, well, you name you'll find it. Pubs, clubs, parks, societies, associations, you'll find it here.

    What I like? Basically, I'm comfortable here. Not one for change, so I'm definitely biased but I know if I want something chances are I can find it here. Still young, Melbourne has plenty of nightlife for anyones tastes. Most nights of the week you can find something open if you want - although local knowledge is sometimes required.
    Although footy is present in other states, it just doesn't get better than Melbourne. How could anyone leave?

    What I hate... Continuing suburbanisation? We're growing, which is great, but the size of the city and suburbs is ever growing.... North to south, across the 'burbs is easily over 2 hours - in good traffic - at the moment.

    Stand out qualities Well, as all the advertising will say, melbourne's biggest qualities are Multi-culturism and Sport. Melbourne is bloody big on both.

    Reccomend it? Absolutely. Pity everything I said sounds like a sales pitch, but, hell yeah, everyone come down here.
    Wanna move here? Well, really, just come. Sure, you'll appreciate advice on where to live so that travel times are shorter for work, etc, and you might wanna avoid some suburbs, but other than that, just come!

    It's different from ... Well, I've only been to Canberra otherwise, actually. And after 11 months, I can pick a few differences. Canberra is a big country town. It acts like a city, but the atmosphere is a bit of a cross. Its a really nice, pretty, (chilly!) city. Melbourne though, is alive! Nightlife in Canberra depends on who you know, really. Melbourne, just get out there. You'll find something you like quickly enough. Even if it's not nightlife, the range of things to do in Melbourne is almost complete.

    Tulsa, OK (none / 0) (#344)
    by argoneus on Fri Aug 02, 2002 at 02:11:17 AM EST

    Where do you live?

    Tulsa, Oklahoma. For the uninitiated, Tulsa is the 2nd largest city in OK, with about 300,000. They say the metro area has a little over 500,000 people, so it's a fairly decent size. Still, you'd be surprised by how many people have never heard of it. It's about an hour and a half to OKC, 4 and a half hours to Dallas, TX, and 6 hours to St. Louis.

    Why do you live there?

    I go to school at the University of Tulsa. Just got my BS in CS, beginning graduate school this fall.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?

    Although Tulsa isn't known as the mecca of.. well, anything, there are some interesting opportunities. There are a couple museums, which feature (you guessed it) Native American artwork and some pieces of cultural and historical significance. The Oklahoma Jazz Hall of Fame is located here, and the Tulsa Performing Arts Center, for those into that sort of thing. And there's always Oktoberfest in the fall for a taste of all things Germany; it's always a lot of fun.

    What recreational opportunities do you have?

    For the sports fans, we have some minor league teams: Drillers (baseball), Oilers (hockey) -- I've been to one of the games, and they're actually quite good, and the Talons (arena football). Yes, it's obvious from the team names Tulsa used to be rich in oil fields. As the guy from Norman mentioned earlier, Oklahoma is definitely a football-friendly state, especially the two primary [rival] state schools, OU and OSU. You're allowed to root for whichever team you prefer (most likely the college you attended), but if you value your life, you'd better root for home if the opponent is out of state. OU fans are among the most diehard I've ever met.

    They have a few concerts here: Tool was just here last week. We'll usually get a big show once a month or so. There are a number of local bands as well. If you're a biker, be sure to cruise down Peoria by Brookside; it's a popular venue for motorheads.

    What do you like about it?

    Big (relatively) city, small environs. You have your choice of the standard mid-range restaurants, the "chains", i.e. Friday's, Chili's, Applebee's, Outback, Macaroni Grill, El Chico, Cheddar's, Hooters (nice breasts), etc. etc. and the ubiquitous MickeyD's, BK, Wendy's, Subway, TacoHell, etc. and a good selection of local restaurants (Bill and Ruth's Sandwiches, Cancun's Mexican, Kim Long's Chinese).

    Traffic is light compared with a lot of other cities, and people are friendly. If you like pool (billiards), check out Magoo's, Slick Willey's, or Sharkey's, all pretty good pool halls. There are several movie theaters as well: AMC or Cinemark are probably your best bet, and they're friendly to students :-)

    What do you hate about it?

    I've made the comment before that the construction workers here choose random locations in the city to tear apart, at the inconvenience of everyone else. You can't drive around for 5 minutes without seeing some sort of construction going on.

    Some complain about Tulsa's lack of a nightlife; so if you're into the bar scene (I'm not), then you may not be too impressed by the diversity of bars/clubs. The ones I've heard are good: Club Millennium, id, Studio 310, and the Voodoo Room. Hey, who knows... maybe there is a nightlife after all!

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

    Freshman year, some of my roommate's friends from Minnesota came down for a visit. Their reactions: Tulsa was full of pawn shops, used car dealerships, and churches (it is the Bible Belt, after all). To be fair, they didn't actually explore more than a small sliver of the city, so they missed out on a lot.

    Plenty of places around to go camping, hunting, or fishing. Oklahoma is a very "outdoorsy" state.

    Weather: we have a saying 'round here: if you don't like the weather, wait a few minutes. Tornadoes can be hazardous in the spring and early summer, but more likely are thunderstorms. Right now we have clear, sunny days, around 100 F (yes.. HOT, but seasonal). Winters get cold, but nothing compared to the northern/midwestern states. We're lucky if we get a foot of snow at most.

    Would you recommend it, and why?

    yeah, definitely. Cheap housing, easy as f*ck to navigate around town (streets arranged in a perfect grid), and a lot of local flavor.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

    In the winter, Tulsa drivers do NOT know how to react to snow, so you'll witness many accidents, turned over vehicles on the side of the road, etc. Better to stay indoors where it's warm anyway ;-)

    If you're not from the south/southwest, you may have to adjust to the accent a bit. It's not so bad in Tulsa, though, really, as in some of the more rural parts of the state.

    How is it different from other places you have been?

    I'm from a small town in SE OK, so Tulsa's a decent sized city by comparison. It doesn't have the congestion (both people and traffic) of Dallas or Houston (deathtrap for non-native drivers), but has plenty to keep you occupied for awhile. Tulsa's got a nice, laid back feel; it's comfortable.

    Proxy answers for Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA (none / 0) (#347)
    by Apuleius on Fri Aug 02, 2002 at 02:52:17 AM EST

    Where do you live? Los Alamos, NM. I'll answer for Santa Fe since no-one else is stepping up, and someone else covered LA. Santa Fe is the state capital, and the largest city in the state north of the Sandia Peak.

    Why do you live there? Thesis work at the Lab (TM).

    What cultural opportunities do you have? Santa Fe has artists covering every branch and genre of the visual arts. Museums and galleries galore. The performing arts are well covered. There's an opera, more than one orchestra, and some choral groups. There are several theatres, most famously there's the Lensic, where Hollywood actors often perform when they want to do something low key. Santa Fe is a cultural capital city for the Hispanic and Native American communities, who are always doing something at the Plaza. And finally, smaller doses of all of the above can be found in every town for a large radius around Santa Fe. Then there's the whole New Age thing.

    What recreational opportunities do you have? The Great Outdoors, and all that this entails. Hiking, climbing, rafting, skiing, mountain biking, et cetera. Standard urban amenities. The bar scene is small, but if that's your kink, you can run into Val Kilmer at the Cowgirl bar sometimes. Don't accost him. He came to Santa Fe to avoid that.

    What do you like about it? The "adobe revival" ambience of the city. It really is beautiful.

    What do you hate about it? The "adobe revival" ambience of the city. It really is fake. But the lack of a late-night cafe with a geek crowd is Santa Fe's main drawback, in my view.

    What qualities really stand out? See above.

    Would you recommend it, and why? No. Santa Fe is wonderful for a vacation. But there is a high crime rate, and the city is struggling to figure out how to handle the drought. Race relations in the city are beginning to deteriorate. Right now it's antagonism between the Native American and Hispanic communities over casinos and water rights. I expect that problem to worsen. The job scene for k5ers is not attractive, and neither is the social scene. A shame, really.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know? Take damn good care of your car.

    How is it different from other places you have been? The place is different from the rest of the US in just about every way. The look is different. The pace of life is slower. The culture is of course a lot more Hispanic. Santa Fe deserves a visit because you can travel from Chicago to Cleveland to Detroit, to Milwaukee, to Minneapolis, to Green Bay, to St. Louis, to Kansas City, to Omaha, and not see much of a difference. But step in Santa Fe and you'll be in a city that is simply Not Like the rest of North America.




    There is a time and a place for everything, and it's called college. (The South Park chef)
    Saint Herblain (Nantes), France (none / 0) (#348)
    by Chakotay on Fri Aug 02, 2002 at 02:53:55 AM EST

    Where do you live?

    Saint Herblain, Loire Atlantique, France. Saint Herblain is part of the conglomeration of Nantes, which is the 9th largest of France, with in total some one million inhabitants. It is some 400km to the south-west of Paris, and about 300km to the north of Bordeau, some 50km from the Atlantic coast, sitting at a comingtogether of various rivers, notably the Loire (one of the the largest rivers of France, which has about half of France as collection bassin), the Erdre (one of the most beautiful rivers of France), and a whole bunch of smaller streams.

    Why do you live there?

    Whoa, looooong story. Short short double-short version: I began life in a small town in the Netherlands, then moved to a somewhat bigger town to study there but never finished that study because I met a really nice girl who wanted to move back to France, et voilà. :)

    While looking for an appartment in the Nantes area (because the parents of the nice girl live in Orvault, which is another 'burb of Nantes just north of St Herblain), this was the first decent one that turned up.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?

    Lots. Nantes is an old city with lots of history. There's a great cathedral and many other beautiful churches, there's the Château des Ducs de Bretagne, a big castle right in the centre of Nantes that used to be the home of Anne de Bretagne, Queen of France. There are, obviously, many museums, all of which are free to visit on Sundays (free to visit as in it costs you nothing). Downtown there's an old theatre, and many film houses, of which my preferred is Katorza, where the best films of all the world (which means, not the standard Hollywood 'fast-films') are shown with original sound track, subtitled, for 5 euro per ticket.

    Aside from those fixed things, there are many cultural festivals, especially in the summer season. Midsummer there's the 'Fête de la Musique', for example, which turns the entire downtown area into one big podium and dance floor with music in the open air for all ages, tastes and sizes. There are also many more local events. In every quarter has a 'Maison des Citoyens', which organises all sorts of interesting things for all ages, from game and sports tournaments through excursions on foot, bike and rollerskates to concerts, open air music festivals, picknicks and barbequeues, which are free or at very low fee for people who live in the area.

    What recreational opportunities do you have?

    Equally much. Right out back there are basketball fields and a dirt track that are free to use for the people who live in the quarter, and a swimming pool that's extremely cheap for that same group of people. There are lots of parcs, there's a giant cinema at about 1km, and, well, in a one million inhabitant agglomeration, you can find about every kind of indoor and outdoor recreation you could find, including estuary recreation, such as boat or canoo trips on the Erdre.

    What do you like about it?

    Nantes is one of the most beautiful cities that I know. Its centre used to be a lot of odd islands strewn about in the Loire. Later, most of those river arms were filled up, allowing beautiful boulevards and parcs to be created right in the middle of the old centre, allowing the creation of tram lines, bus lanes, and pretty good accessability by car aswell, though the very centre is closed to cars on most Saturdays.

    What do you hate about it?

    Well, the old cliché: France is a great country, but it's a shame that it's so full of French. The French really have a Different way of life than what I was used to in the Netherlands. Rude, indifferent, that's the general composure of the French towards people they don't know. And there's a lot of silent, and sometimes less silent, discrimination going on. I had a really hard time finding a job, possibly because I'm not French. What is interesting to note, is that after a constant flood of negative replies for months on end, I received FOUR positive reactions in the two weeks that followed Jaques Chirac's victory over Jean-Marie Le Pen in the presidential elections. My fiancee however has the added disadvantage that she's black...

    Arrogance. That's one word I forgot to mention. Plain old arrogance, mixed with chauvinism. Example: somebody claimed that the CD is a French invention. When I pointed out that the CD was invented by Philips and Sony, the reaction was "But Philips is French, right?" "No, it's Dutch." "Are you sure?" "Yes, I worked for them. They started in Eindhoven as a light bulb factory." "Ah..." *zap* different subject.

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

    Bad : Politeness. Their mouth says 'have a good day', but their eyes say 'I hope you die crossing the street when you walk out of here'. Well, obviously not everybody. There are actually a lot of FRIENDLY French people too, but the general tendency is towards almost open rudeness.

    Good : Very nice climate, beautiful surroundings, clean air, and enough good people and good neighbours to form a nice circle of good friends. Work atmosphere is relaxed, at a 35 hours per week schedule.

    Would you recommend it, and why?

    Yes, I would recommend it. Nantes is, in my opinion, the most beautiful city in France. Way better than Paris (which is, in my opinion, a big pit of doom). And, according to friends who know from experience, the general French problems of rudeness and arrogance are much less present in Nantes than in cities like Bordeaux and Marseille (and I don't even have to mention Paris, where the rudeness is absolutely the worst ofall).

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

    French. Hardly any French person over the age of 30 speaks anything other than French. The younger generation is changing, and most of them understand and speak some English, but it's still pretty abominable.

    How is it different from other places you have been?

    Very. As said, I lived in the Netherlands before, where the culture is completely different. Here, people want to know everything about you, especially the personal stuff, and if you don't tell them, they'll try to find out behind your back. In the Netherlands, nobody cares about your personal stuff, as long as you get the job done. And even if you don't get the job done, they don't care about your personal stuff - they simply throw you out. The Dutch are generally much more down to earth than the French, are definitely better drivers (the French roads are one big heap of spaghetti-ing anarchy), and are generally more considerate. It certainly took me some time to get used to the French way of life. All in all, I can say that I still, without a doubt, prefer the Netherlands over France, but there's one thing in France that I would not have in the Netherlands: my fiancee. And hey, France is not all that bad. It'll probably just take some more getting used to.

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    I'm a canuck (3.00 / 2) (#351)
    by christian on Fri Aug 02, 2002 at 04:49:54 AM EST

    Here are some starters: Where do you live? Hamilton, Ontario Canada Why do you live there? Better than nowhere, I moved from Burlington, Ontario which is a fairly rich area into Hamilton, a steel town and is cheaper to live in. So essentially the cost of living was the factor. What cultural opportunities do you have? Where to begin... Night clubs, billions of them, we have an area called Hess Village, almost every building has a bar and an open mic night, we have 2 magazines devoted to the night life here. We have 2 stadiums, an outdoor and one indoor, we have a few large malls, tons of movie theatres, a bunch of parks with live concerts all summer long, and of course, tons and tons of shopping. What recreational opportunities do you have? Woops, see above. What do you like about it? Actually being in a steel town this place stinks when the wind isn't right. The city makes up for it by largely ignoring the problem. We've had our fair share of toxic spills that everyone forgets as quickly as possible. Hmm, that's a reason why I shouldn't like it. Well there is a nice indoor rock climbing gym called Gravity. What do you hate about it? Yeah... See above. What qualities really stand out? (good or bad) Pollution, cheap hookers (about 2$Canadian for a blowjob) lots of homeless people, lots of drinking and street gangs, car thefts are high. I walked my dog the other night and found a guy od'ing on something in the park, they sent three ambulances and a firetruck... I guess the response is a good thing right? Would you recommend it, and why? Move here if you're in money trouble, move out when you're not. It's that simple. Don't admit that you live here like I foolishly did, and if you do have to admit it call it "The Hammer" instead of Hamilton. It's cooler. If I were to move there, what would I really need to know? Avoid female hitchhikers, they ain't hitchhiking, get a car alarm, and a club, lock your doors at all times. Don't go with Rogers cable internet service, they suck ass, go with high speed on DSL. How is it different from other places you have been? It's the largest city I've ever lived in, it's also the smelliest. All in all it's okay, you just have to ignore everything wrong with the place. I guess I haven't been here long enough for that to happen to me yet.

    Hobart, Tasmania, Australia (none / 0) (#353)
    by Chuq on Fri Aug 02, 2002 at 05:14:00 AM EST

    Where do you live? Hobart, capital of Tasmania, Island state of Australia. Pop ~180,000.

    Why do you live there? I was born in Launceston, about 180km north and just over half the population of Hobart. My other half is in a fairly specialised field and got a job here, and many friends & family are here.

    What cultural opportunities do you have? A bit of everything really.. museums, restaurant strips, a symphony orchestra, several weekend markets, etc. What makes Hobart different is also the history (buildings, etc) and the waterfront [see pic].

    What recreational opportunities do you have? Live (mainly local) music, cinemas, pubs & clubs, shopping, you can go bushwalking/hiking about 20 minutes away.. as far as sports go, a first class cricket ground, a couple of smaller AFL (yawn) ovals (I think).

    What do you like about it? Everywhere is reasonably close to each other, its about 15 minutes drive to the city centre, from where I'm living, and I rarely need to go in there as we have a shopping centre with basically the same sort of thing just 1 minute down the round.

    What do you hate about it? We get dropped off the map a lot! Everything touted as 'national' or a 'country wide' tour means Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth. It wouldn't be so bad - its only 450km from Melbourne - but we have this stretch of water in the middle that means driving isn't an option.

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad) Its sort of like four smaller sized cities - Clarence (eastern shore), Glenorchy (north), Hobart, and Kingston (south), each acting as a small town with their own local services etc, but still being a part of the big city. A good cross between small community and big metropolis.

    Would you recommend it, and why? Despite what most people in Australia (including most of the ones living in Tasmania!) say about Tassie, its not really that bad. At least rent isn't $400 a week like it is in Melbourne.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know? How to speak english? Thats about it.

    How is it different from other places you have been? Only other place that I have spent significant amount of time is Launceston, and I'm not touching that argument - its worse than Sydney v Melbourne, London v Paris, or LA v NY!



    George, WC, South Africa (5.00 / 1) (#354)
    by ThirdEye on Fri Aug 02, 2002 at 05:20:07 AM EST

    Where do you live?

    On the Garden Route of the Western Cape of South Africa in a town called George

    Why do you live there?

    I've practically lived here my whole life, my parents moved here when I was about 1½ years old so it's all I remember and have grown to love as home.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?

    South Africa is rich with culture, we have so much diversity in people and there is so much that everyone in the country can share and learn from each other.  From the conservative, humble and utterly polite Afrikaans to the obsessively traditional ways of the Xhosa or Zulu and the charismatic, creative English art culture expressed at events such as the National Arts Festival held in Grahamstown and the (predominantly Afrikaans) Klein Karoo Nasionale Kunstefees.  Although I have lived here my whole life, I constantly discover new things about the people I see on a daily basis, their way of thinking, their devotion to their own culture and what that entails, it's all quite fascinating and makes this country one of the most exciting places in the world to live.

    What recreational opportunities do you have?

    Depends on your definition of recreation.  For me to go out with friends, have a few drinks, relax with some good conversation is recreation.  In George there are not many choices in this regard, we have maybe five or six establishments which I'd regularly visit, although that can also be nice in that everyone knows everyone so it's not difficult to just go out alone one night and meet someone to have a drink or two with.  In the larger cities this is not the case.  With populations of several million the night-life options are endless, incredibly diverse and interesting.  But, for others, recreation might be (wind)surfing, mountain-climbing, hiking, water-skiing or perhaps visiting the many historical locations in the area.  Right across the road from where I'm sitting right now at work typing this is the famous Slave Tree, even the building in which I'm sitting was established more than 70 years ago.  Not to mention golf, George is practically the golfing mecca of South Africa with world class courses such as those at Fancourt or the award winning George Golf Course.

    What do you like about it?

    Well other than the obviously positive things I've already listed, I suppose personally it's just home and perhaps I'm just lucky to have loved the place I grew up in, experienced and learnt many things in.  The area itself is truly beautiful in every esthetic sense, the lush green grass and tall majestic mountains at the foot of which is my town.  I just know for sure that however far away I travel, I will always come back to live here.

    What do you hate about it?

    Perhaps, as with any small town, there is a degree of ignorance in some of the people, but I attribute that mostly just to having had limited exposure to the rest of the world and less reason in the past to be open minded toward other cultures, which is all rapidly changing.

    What qualities really stand out?

    Friendliness and hospitality.  South Africans are generally very friendly people, it is not uncommon to be greeted by a complete stranger with a smile or to be given a helping hand in a situation where one is needed.  This is my experience but of course one cannot pertain a rule to it so of course it doesn't apply in every situation, just the majority I think.

    Would you recommend it, and why?

    Yes, if what you're looking for is quality of living over anything else then definitely.  One might enjoy the vast opportunities in big cities and the busy lifestyle for a while, but to live in George is great, it has a very low crime rate, one can easily walk out of their houses without too much concern about an unlocked door or open window and walking around town at night is not suicidal as it may seem in other parts of the country.

    George is the contrast to how South Africa is portrayed overseas, it is not a poverty/crime-stricken country as CNN might have you believe, it is a country full of vibrant, creative, intelligent people who live in quite technologically advanced cities and it is a quality of life far better than many other places in the world.



    Perth, Western Australia (none / 0) (#359)
    by cpatrick on Fri Aug 02, 2002 at 06:07:09 AM EST

    Where do you live?
    In a suburb just north of Perth, Western Australia. It's a city of around one million people, and the capital of the largest state of Australia (roughly 1/3 of the land).

    Why?
    I was born here.

    Cultural and recreational opportunities.
    Hmm, not an awful lot. We have all the usual suspects. Sport, of many many varieties. Perth is on the coast, so there are beaches for those what want to swim. There's theatre, a museum and an art gallery and the usual stuff. There isn't an incredible cultural diversity.

    There's not much history, because Australia is not a very old country, and Perth hasn't been around for that long. Stuck towards the middle of Perth is the King's Park, large bushy area where a few things of historical interest have been stowed. We also have an old gaol called the Round House, and other such things to remind us of our past as a penal colony.

    We have a university or three or four- University of Western Australia (the oldest and best-known uni here), Curtin University (once was WAIT - WA Institute of Technology), Murdoch University (a.k.a. Mudrock), and Edith Cowan University (a.k.a. Enid Blyton University; once was a teachers' college). The national Australia Linux Conference (linux.conf.au) is being held here at UWA in January 2003.

    What I like.
    It's not a big city like Melbourne or Sydney, but it's still a decent-sized place. Nice people. Good climate: Australia is in no danger of being called cold. Public transport is good, traffic is reasonable (although it could be better on the freeway at some times of the day). Real estate is cheap (compared to Sydney and Melbourne).

    What I don't like.
    Perth is an incredibly isolated place. We're stuck out on the left-hand side of Australia, and often neglected by the eastern states (although perhaps not to the extent of Darwin or Hobart).

    If I were to move here, what would I need to know?
    People from other countries (e.g., USA, most of Europe) may have to get used to driving on the left-hand side of the road. Speaking English is probably a requirement.

    Would you recommend it?
    Of course! Perth is as nice a place to live as any.



    Wellington NZ (4.00 / 1) (#364)
    by SoupIsGoodFood on Fri Aug 02, 2002 at 07:36:11 AM EST

    Why do you live there?

    Cause I was moved here when I was 5 and haven't had any urge to live anywhere else

    What cultural opportunities do you have?

    Supposably Welly is the arts center of NZ.

    What do you like about it?

    Nice and compact. Can walk across the entire CBD in 30 mins.
    Nice harbour/senery. Lot of different cultures etc. The hills keep you fit and give you views

    What do you hate about it?

    The wind can get annoying.
    The maze of oneway streets in the CBD can be horrible if your not familiar with them.
    ...Oh yeah. And the big earthquake that we're long overdue for.

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

    Not sure. But we were voted on the best places to live in the world a few years ago (in the top 20 or something). Although, I think Christchurch has beaten us recetly. Never like Chch....too flat.

    Would you recommend it, and why?

    Yes, 'cause

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

    If you have car, get a map that shows the one-way streets.
    How to survive an earthquake (and try not be too near the re-claimed land when it happens)
    Good clothing for the occational shitty days when it rains and roofs are being blowen off houses.

    Rochester, NY (none / 0) (#369)
    by georgeha on Fri Aug 02, 2002 at 08:37:07 AM EST

    Where do you live?

    Rochester, NY. I actually live in the city limits, I'm not a suburban scumbag, I love living in the city.

    Why do you live there?

    Houses are cheaper in the city than in the near 'burbs, especially the houses we like. We also like being close to stores and restaurants, and being able to walk to places.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?

    Many, a fair art museum, a good orchestra, an excellent school of music, the Garth Fagan dance troupe, and some good film resources (the Eastman house, an arthouse theater).

    What recreational opportunities do you have?

    The nightlife isn't great, but there's boating, skiiing, biking, running, hockey, etc. It's a good place to own a boat.

    What do you like about it?

    I like the small size, I can get to a farm in 20 minutes from downtown, and we have a tiny rush hour.

    What do you hate about it?

    It's a little smug and small thinking.

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

    Lots of high tech opportunities, and it's socially liberal. A goo dplace to be gay in upstate New York.

    Would you recommend it, and why?

    It's a good place to raise a family, but it can be tough for younger, single folks.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

    The winters are long and cold, but bearable. If you can take up a winter sport, they become much better.

    How is it different from other places you have been?

    I found State College, PA, too small after 4 years.

    I found North Collins, NY, too small and too interconnected, we were always outsiders becuase we hadn't lived there for generations.

    I didn't like South Jersey at all, I didn't have family there, and I wasn't rich.

    My neck of the woods (none / 0) (#373)
    by 138 on Fri Aug 02, 2002 at 09:00:50 AM EST

    Where do you live?

    Kallio, Helsinki, Finland, Europe, Earth.

    Why do you live there?

    I was born in Oulu, northern finland, then I moved to Porvoo (oldest city in finland) to study. After graduation I moved to Helsinki to study some more :). And now I am working here.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?

    Quite a lot because Helsinki is the capital city of Finland. Lot of museums, theaters and movie theters. Oh, and almost forgot very cool churches( even though I am not a religious person at all), here in kallio is a great, big stone church and near market place is a amazing  orthodox church.

    What recreational opportunities do you have?

    They say that Helsinki has very good club scene, but I don't know about that because I am not into dance music. Anyway there is a lot of bars around and good garge rock scene. :) Lots of parks and if you really dig nature you just have to take bus or train and hop out after travelling 100km and you are in the middle of nowhere in deep woods. :) To make a long story shorter: recreation is not a problem in Helsinki.

    What do you like about it?

    I really like it here, I have always liked cities and Helsinki is the biggest(half a million residents = not so big really :), but hey there is only 5 million of us) city in Finland so I like it. People are nice and friendly, much more open than lets say 10 years ago. Helsinki has a very good public transportation system and pretty good bicycle paths( Oulu had and still has better :) so you don't need a car to get around just take tram, bus or underground and enjoy the views.

    What do you hate about it?

    Hate is a too strong word, but I don't like winter, cold doesn't bother me but the damn snow... it get's every where you don't want it to get, like in your shoes.

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

    Finnish people may seem cold and distant at first, but when you learn to know us and make friends with someone you have a friend for life. People are also very honest, air and water are clean. Helsinki has some nice old buildings which were built on 19th century when capital of was moved from Turku to Helsinki. Finland is such a young nation that we reallty don't have any really old historical monuments or buildings. I would say that people are the best thing in Helsinki, weather may suck in winter but summers are excellent. Some people tend to drink little bit too much alcohol in the weekends but you get used to it. Taxes are high but I don't mind to pay them because that is why we don't have extremely poor people in here and we got free education, health care and reasonable annuity after retirement.  

    Would you recommend it, and why?

    I would recommend it if you can take below zero(celsius) temperatures and darkness during winters and midnight sun in summers(sun goes down only for couple of hours, I am not kidding). So at least come and visit in Helsinki and see it for yourself. And why? See above.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

    Nothing really, just don't expect us to do things like you are used to and be patient. And it would be a good thing to know finnish even thought you can get by with english and swedish(5-10% of Helsinki's residents have swedish in their native language)

    How is it different from other places you have been?

    Well, I haven't been in many places but I think if you have visited in Sweden it is almost same in here(in Sweden they are more boring thou :), my apologies to swedish, please don't send "we are not boring" messages :). Finnish are also very accurate and organized people, so if someone says he will be in place b in at 17:00 he will be there exactly at 17:00. I have some Spanish friends and if they say they that they will be in place b at 17:00 they will probably be there at 19:00. Don't get me wrong, both systems have their advantages. But because I have lived in Finland my whole life I am more used to be accurate. :) And now some Finnish:
    Moi, toivottavasti tästä oli hyötyä = (Hi, I hope this helped)

    Darmstadt, Germany (none / 0) (#378)
    by gleesona on Fri Aug 02, 2002 at 09:51:08 AM EST

    Where do you live?

    I live in Darmstadt in Germany, which is about 40km (24 Miles) south of Frankfurt, with a population of 100k.

    Why do you live there?

    I orignally moved from the UK (I lived in London and Oxford) and I got a job at the European Space Agency's site here. I now work for a French bank in Frankfurt.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?

    In Darmstadt itself there is not a huge amount, but there are a few museums and theatres. There are plenty of places to eat and drink, as well as some interesting clubs such as the Krone.

    There are also a couple of festivals here which are a german tradition, lots of beer, sausages and music, very little trouble and lots of fun. Framkfurt is also nearby and there are plenty of things to see and do there.

    What recreational opportunities do you have?

    Plenty. Germany is a good place to live if you like sport and the outdoor life, as there are plenty of opportunities and facilities. The cycle path network is good and extensive, with plenty of mountain bike possibilities in the hills nearby.

    For those who like winter sports, the Alps are just a few hours away by car.

    What do you like about it?

    Lots of things. It's centrally placed in Europe, and makes travel very easy, especially with the lack of border controls and the introduction of the Euro. Darmstadt is a clean city, with a good reliable transport system (which after London would not be difficult), lack of crime, pleasant climate.

    The people here are ok, and although the Germans have a reputation for being unfriendly, I find them a bit like the British; you have to make the first social move, and then they open up a bit more. This is different to the people at home in Ireland, who are very inquisitive. There is quite a cultural mix here too which I like. Sometimes I don't hear any German spoken at all around here, and there are so many Russians in Frankfurt at the moment, that I think thay have quietly invaded! :)

    What do you hate about it?

    There's nothing I hate but, as with any place, there are a few irritations. The TV is crap and all foreign shows are dubbed (unlike in scandanavia where there are subtitles in the local language), can you imagine the Cosby show or the Simpsons in German! The shop opening hours are not so good, they close too early on a Saturday (4pm).

    The bureaucracy is irritating and reminiscant of early text based adventure games. Unless you ask the right question with the right terminology then they don't understand and you don't get what you want. It's a tiresome game, but I'm learning to play it well now.

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

    It's very clear that the Germans have a strong sense of national identity and enjoy the traditions that they have.

    I feel the life is much more relaxed here than in the UK, and I find that also the case in the working environment. A couple of month ago my boss told me off for not taking enough holiday!

    Would you recommend it, and why?

    Yes I would recommend Germany in general. In Frankfurt about 25% of the population is non-German, so settling in here is not a problem. The Germans in general are tolerant of foreigners, especially if you are white and northern European...

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

    German. Although many German people speak English, if you don't know any German it's difficult to really get to know the people and makes dealing with the bureaucracy more difficult. Also the people really appreciate it when you try to speak the language.

    How is it different from other places you have been?

    Other than the language difference, I cannot say that the culture is wildly different from my own (Irish/English). There are different attitudes to certain things, such as making noise after 10.30pm and having no problem walking around stark bollock naked, but I can't say I really feel out of place here.
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    You look surprised, Blackadder.
    I certainly am, sir. I didn't realise we had any battle plans.
    Lisbon, Portugal , EU (5.00 / 1) (#379)
    by ruisantos on Fri Aug 02, 2002 at 09:56:51 AM EST

    Why do you live there?

    I work here.



    What cultural opportunities do you have?

    Cinema, Theatre, Museums, Music, you name it we have it.



    What do you like about it?

    The night life, the food, the women, the weather, the people.



    What do you hate about it?

    The traffic, portuguese drivers (myself included) them to be extremelly agressive on the road, thats the reason we have one of the worst records for traffic in the World.



    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

    The food, Portuguese food is one of the best food in the world.



    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

    Portuguese. Most people speak, or try to speak any language people are nice and tend to help foreigners.



    How is it different from other places you have been?

    I've lived in France (Nice), England (London, Cheltenham) and I still prefer Portugal. People are nicer, the weather is nicer and live is less complicated.





    Moscow, Russia (5.00 / 2) (#381)
    by Lexey on Fri Aug 02, 2002 at 10:04:27 AM EST

    Well, I expected a few of my countrymen to post, but, apparently, noone did yet...

    Where do you live?

    Moscow, Russia.

    Why do you live there?

    Mainly because I was born here, because I am Russian, and because I am a patriot of my country, right or wrong. Also because of plenty of employment opportunities, good salaries, relatively cheap real estate and good public transport.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?

    Everyone seems to go ga-ga about the Bolshoi Theater, but in my opinion it's vastly overrated and inferior to Mariinsky ballet from St. Petersburg. Lots of museums, lots of galleries, a few good places to listen to classical music.

    If one is really in the mood for serious culture St. Petersburg is only a 1-hour flight away.

    What recreational opportunities do you have?

    For less high-brow sorts of entertainment there are zillions of clubs, and major recording artists has finally discovered that Moscow is an affluent market of about 15 million people worthy of inclusion into their European tours.

    Restaurants are generally good but not Paris or London or Lisboa good.

    Being an avid waterskier, having a chain of artificial lakes within 20 min drive is great in summer.

    What do you like about it?

    Generally sensible laws and informal enforcement of the nonsensical ones. A feeling of freedom, especially after coming back from some police states of Western Europe or the US (which now curiously resemble Soviet Union at its peak). $5 speeding tickets.

    I like having 4 distinct seasons, each with its own mood and colours. Having lots of snow in winter is great. And yes, New Year in Times Square can't hold a candle to the same celebration on snowy Red Square.

    What do you hate about it?

    I hate 20 hours of darkness every day during winter, and I am not a big fan of cloud-covered 4 hour winter days too. I do not like being trapped in the smog-covered city in summer. I hate a Moscow city government and mayor for destroying the look of the city I love and for encouraging building of monstrosities ruining the skyline.

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

    Good -- freedom, as I said above. Bad -- I don't know what really stands out, I am too biased. Sheremetyevo-2 International Airport, probably.

    Would you recommend it, and why?

    No. Please don't move here and make it another Prague.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

    Russian language and some basic knowledge of Russian culture and Russian ways.

    How is it different from other places you have been?

    It's very different, and in too many ways to describe. Unfortunately, it is getting homogenized, and the dimwit Western correspondents stationed here are raving about plentiful coffee houses and comfortable shopping, not noticing that perhaps something really special is slipping away.

    Pretoria, Gauteng, South Africa (none / 0) (#382)
    by scart on Fri Aug 02, 2002 at 10:09:54 AM EST

    Where do you live?
    I live on the eastern edge of town. When I moved in about a year ago, I was about 50 meters from the start of farm land, now I'm more than a kilometer away from the start of open land. All of this new development consists of cluster home complexes with between 50 and a 100 houses surrounded by a high wall and electric fensing. It's pretty amazing how fast the city's suburbs are spreading. The southern edge of Pretoria is already merging with Johannesburg, while the 2 city's CBD's are more then 50 kilometers apart.

    Why do you live there?
    I am a computer programmer, and most of our IT related opportunities are in Pretoria and Johannesburg. Johannesburg is however the worst city in South Africa to live in, and the commute from Pretoria to Johannesburg takes about an hour each way. I was lucky to find a job in one of Pretoria's nicer suburbs, so I moved to within about 500 meters of work. Pretoria's weather is also among the best in the country.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?
    The state theater is located in Pretoria'S CBD, which is about 20 minutes drive from my place in the evening. They stage shows ranging from traditional african song and dance, trough contemporary one man shows, to Shakespearean plays and performances by international ballet troupes. There are a number of museums in and around the city, and the Botanical gardens which are quite extensive, host musical performances on most Sunday afternoons.

    What recreational opportunities do you have?
    Within an hours drive there are about a dozen golf courses, a motor racing circuit of international standard, two large dams that cater to watersport enthusiasts, a number of small game and plant reserves that are open to the public, and numerous sporting clubs. There are a number of clubs that cater to radio controlled aircraft in the city, and we have an active chess community. About once a month there are local club cycle races or marathons, which are staged with the help of the traffic department. A number of paragliding and rock climbing clubs are active within 3 hours drive from the city, and we are only 6 hourse drive away from the south-east coast of Africa, where you will find some stunning beaches, which you can have all to yourself during most of the off season.

    What do you like about it?
    You have all the conveniences of a modern city, but it's easy to get out of town for a weekend of country relaxation. The cost of living is also extremely low in first world terms. Most lower-middle class families can afford a large 3 bedroom house with a sizable garden, as well as 2 cars. We have a few farmer's markets where you can buy top quality fresh meat and vegetables directly from the farmers.

    What do you hate about it?
    The crime. A couple of weeks ago the local police station opened more than 300 cases of breaking and entering during one night, in the local neighbourhood. This is an area of about 10 by 5 kilometers, all of which is considered to be middle to upper class residential property. When I drive the 500 meters to work, I go past at least 3 private security guards on foot, one of whom is armed with an automatic rifle. We also have about 5 security firms who supply armed vehicle patrols to the area.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
    Most of the people are pretty easy going, and it's easy to make casual friendships. Gaining people's trust is however quite difficult, and you'll have to work hard if you want strong friendship ties to develop. The crime situation might sound bad, but if you get some tips from the locals, and you apply some common sense, you can live without worrying too much.


    Wilmington, North Carolina, USA (none / 0) (#385)
    by TunkeyMicket on Fri Aug 02, 2002 at 11:07:22 AM EST

    Where do you live?
    I live in Wilmington, NC. If you don't know where this is, look for the bottom right hand corner of NC that ALWAYS gets hit by hurricaines. On more than 3 occasions the eye of a hurricaine has passed directly over my home. We've even had 4 in a summer.

    Why do you live there?
    In 1996 my father got a raise and we transfered down here so he could head up marketing of nuclear fuels for GE/GNF-A.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?
    White people don't have culture.

    What recreational opportunities do you have?
    Shootin', baseball, football, workin' out, swimmin', boatin', surfin', etc etc etc. We're half a beach town and half a small town. Best of both worlds methinks.

    What do you like about it?
    The beach! Doesn't get much better than that. Oh and the hospitality of the South :D [this just can't be beat]

    What do you hate about it?
    Yankees. Too many damn tourists.

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
    I'd say its small town appeal and its wonderful beaches.

    Would you recommend it, and why?
    Both yes and no. If you were confident that your children were intelligent enough on their own to educate themselves, then Wilmington is a great place to live. We have everything short of good elementary education. Our colleges kick ass though.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
    How to drive. The number one hate in our town is dumbass tourist drivers. Consult maps before entering our town, s'il vous plait. I would suggest that you learn how not to be a city boy, but seein' as how you're from Georgia, I reckon that you probably got this end sorted out.

    How is it different from other places you have been?
    Differences from California: Less people, less crime, less gun deaths [we have alot of guns too].
    Differences from Texas: Less cattle, different drawl.
    Differences from Ohio: Less yankees, different accent, no snow.
    Differences from Florida: Less New Yorkers, slightly less rain, less Florida State fans.

    --
    Chris "TunkeyMicket" Watford
    Okaaaay ... (none / 0) (#386)
    by the bluebrain on Fri Aug 02, 2002 at 11:07:39 AM EST

    I'm game! I'll just copy-paste the "startes" in here ... and off I go :)

    > Here are some starters:

    > Where do you live?
    Zurich, Switzerland.

    > Why do you live there?
    I originally moved here from Basel (about 1 hour west, also in Switzerland) because Zurich has one of the only two Federal Polytechnics: one of the best places to study electrical engineering. I'm not studying anymore, but Zurich grew on me, and I've been here about ten years now.

    > What cultural opportunities do you have?
    Just about anything under the sun, from 2k+ year-old Roman ruins to the streetparade (techno music festival, drawing ~1 million people for a weekend from all over Europe). Opera house, "Tonhalle" (classical music), 30+ cinemas, bars of all kinds, mix of cultures (20% foreign population), big open-air concerts (seating optional ... Jeeze, how can USians go e.g. to a U2 concert and watch them _sitting down_?). Plenty of homegrown stuff, too ... but you have to speak a language only ~5 million people speak to appreciate it.

    > What recreational opportunities do you have?
    There's a lake :) . Skiing is 1hour+ away. Rollerblading is nice around here. A couple of things I can think of that you _can't_ do are: go to the beach (about 8 hours drive to the Italian coast), go to the desert (no such thing in central Europe), or generally "get away from it all": Burning Man, for instance, couldn't be done in central Europe, due to the high population density. However the Alps are great for mountineering. Diving is possible (sweetwater only, see "beach"). Um. What's your game?

    > What do you like about it?
    It's safe (I'm a safety freak). The standard of living is high. It's not a metropolis a la Paris, London, New York, but it ain't the boondocks either.

    > What do you hate about it?
    It's safe. The spirit of adventure can suffer some dampening. I sometime have the feeling that Zurich is as far from any frontier you can get. The Swiss suffer from the same delusion as many USians: "we live in the optimal society. Foreigners can only learn from us. We have nothing to add." Then again, the intellectual frontier in as alive as anywhere.

    > What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
    Stability. Boooooring. No, it _can_ get exciting. Just don't expect a revolution anytime soon. Um .. maybe this: things generally work. Even bureaucracy is marginally efficient here.

    > Would you recommend it, and why?
    Yup. 'Cause I like it :)
    Hey, this is clearly subjective.... but: There's a good cross-section of humanity here, there ain't no-one you _couldn't_ meet in Zurich.

    > If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
    Getting a visa to _stay_ in Switzerland is on par with getting a green card.
    Language: English is fine, or German of course, French too, probably; the local (German) dialect is nigh unlearnable (i.e. a real challenge. N.B.: if you understand German-German, it will take you about half a year to be able to understand Swiss-German).
    Work: plenty of third-sector stuff; Banks, Insurance, Management in Industry, also e.g. R&D efforts (CERN ain't too far away)
    Study: good, comparatively inexpensive

    > How is it different from other places you have been?
    I'm only _lived_ in one other place for an extended period of time (Basle and Zurich being quite similar): Tracy, CA, high school exchange (oh, 16 years ago). Tracy was great at the time. However, I think I might get a little bored there nowadays. SF would be cool though, or Seattle. Tracy: propably too big by now for you to be able to know "everyone", but close enough to e.g. SF and Yosemite (two extremes) to be able to tick along. I would miss the cultural possibilities of Zurich: clubs, venues, etc.

    Hmmmm ... *now* I will read the thread & see if anybody else wrote s/th about zurich ... & then will hang my head in shame 'cause I missed all the salient points.

    Nairobi, Kenya (4.00 / 1) (#388)
    by gadha on Fri Aug 02, 2002 at 11:42:00 AM EST

    Where do you live?
    3rd Parlands Street, Westlands, Nairobi, Kenya
    Why do you live there?
    Born and grew up here. My parents are 3rd generation immigrants.
    What cultural opportunities do you have?
    Cinema, 2 language centres, a couple of theatres What recreational opportunities do you have? the usual mix of restaurants, clubs, cinemas, malls and venues
    What do you like about it?
    1. Very easy going lifestlye - Hakuna Matata
    2. Easy to make money :)
    3. Constant weather - no seasons, weather
    fluctuates between 14 and 26 Celsius, sun all the time
    4. Most 1st world amenities at 3rd world prices
    5. Cheap beer - $0.95 /bottle
    What do you hate about it?
    1. Corruption!!!! - its difficult to do standard things like get a passport renewed or get your telephone line repaired without slipping some grease
    2. Crime is moderately high
    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
    Fantastic ppl, dynamic and invogorating without being overwhelming
    Would you recommend it, and why?
    Yes, If you want to experience Africa without the brunt, come to Nairobi - its exactly in the middle, not too bad and not fantastic.. I think the closest thing to true African life
    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
    1. How to be corrupt stealthily
    2. How to minimise personal risk - basically don't go around with $$ jewellery or cash sticking out your pocket or likewise
    How is it different from other places you have been?
    Its a class of its own .. either you'll hate it or love it... but overwhelmingly, ppl love it


    Chicago, IL, USA (none / 0) (#394)
    by bdjohns1 on Fri Aug 02, 2002 at 12:14:07 PM EST

    Where: Specifically, Evanston, IL - the first suburb north of the city proper along Lake Michigan

    Why: I work in R&D at Kraft Foods, which is in the area

    Culture: Several theatres with Broadway shows (Chicago is one of the cities used to tune musicals before they hit New York). Sports - good teams are few and far between, but MLB, NFL, NBA, MLS, and some minor league teams are represented, as well as NCAA Division I sports. Lots of ethnic neighborhoods to check out. A good selection of museums (natural history, art, aquarium, planetarium, etc.)

    Recreation: Most of the lakefront in Chicago is a big park. Bike/jogging trail along the length of it (and beyond into some suburbs). Beaches, Chicago park district sports leagues, etc. We're one of the more obese cities in the US, but hey, we're working on it.

    What I like: Chicago-style stuffed pizza is to die for. It's hard to get lost driving in Chicago. All you have to do is remember where the lake is.

    What I don't like: Chicago-style traffic. Not as bad as LA, but the sprawl is getting pretty bad. Cost of living is pretty high (especially real estate).

    What qualities stand out: The better midwest attitude (as opposed to the "f--- you" attitude in NYC), but with most of the perks of NYC's culture.

    Recommend it: Yes.

    Moving there?: Make sure you know the local parking rules, or you'll rack up tickets like you won't believe. Pick a place to live which gives you multiple routes to commute over.

    What's different?: The size.

    Detroit (none / 0) (#399)
    by AgentQ on Fri Aug 02, 2002 at 01:15:05 PM EST

    Where do you live?
    Pleasant Ridge, MI - just north of Detroit

    Why do you live there?
    It was my best job offer after graduating in 1999

    What cultural opportunities do you have?
    There's a HUGE Middle-Eastern community here as well as other Asian countries. We also have Windsor (Canada) right across the river which offers even more cultural diversity

    What recreational opportunities do you have?
    Lots and lots of boating. Some skiing in the winter. Good mountain biking. Camping, hiking, etc.

    What do you like about it?
    Mild summers. Some good people around here. Lots and lots of live music to be seen all the time. Only 4 hours from Toronto and Chicago. Fast highway driving. No speeding tickets. Detroit Electronic Music Festival.

    What do you hate about it?
    Harsh winters. Can't escape the auto industry. The Michigan mentality: "my grandpa worked for the auto industry, my dad worked for the auto industry, and now I'm going to work for the auto industry until I retire." city is mostly dead. No public transportation to be found anywhere. Huge metro area. Nobody realizes that techno music was born here. Yuppies. All the Casinos downtown.

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
    land is very flat. Everybody drives new American cars. Foreign cars (esp. Asian) are hard to come by. Lakes, lakes, everywhere.

    Would you recommend it, and why?
    yes, if you're a car person. Otherwise not really. NOTE: I'm biased here. I'm quitting my job in a month and going to grad school in California

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
    Dont' park a foreign car in the assembly plant parking lot. A passport makes it way easier to get to Canada. Drinking age in Canada is 19. Strip clubs in Canada are full nude. No - they don't ever finish road construction. Watch the movie "Roger and Me" for a good idea of what the automakers are capable of. If you want to do real engineering, don't work for the automakers - work for a supplier.

    How is it different from other places you have been?
    Not much different from St. Louis - except for the car industry thing. dead city center with everyone moving out to the suburbs. Higher property costs than Missouri.

    -------------- - stuff

    Champaign, IL (none / 0) (#400)
    by whovian on Fri Aug 02, 2002 at 01:17:48 PM EST

    Where you live
    Champaign, IL

    Why do you live there?
    I am academically employed here.

    What is living there like?
    Often referred to as Champaign-Urbana, Champaign and its neighboring city Urbana were originally separate towns that grew in size and are now borderless, much in the same way Los Angeles or Chicago has come to be.  Even though the combined population is around 100k, the area has a small-town atmosphere.  Accordingly, the local people tend not to be aware/concerned with the outside world despite there being a top-ranking, centrally located university here.  The university does bring in a fair amount of culture, mainly art and well-known musicians, and hosts all sort of summer events for high school students from around the area.  Otherwise the local culture is the land of SUVs, mini-vans, and barbeques for steak-lovers.  The local broadcast news tends to concentrate on local news.

    The rural area is known for its corn and soybean agriculture, and with that said, the topography is necessarily flat.  Very flat.  The town is really in the middle of nowhere, but it is 2 to 3 hours away by car from Chicago, Indianapolis and St. Louis, and in as little as 30 minutes, it is within reach of a few state and private parks.  The state capitol is in Springfield, about 1 hour away, where you can go to learn everything about Abraham Lincoln and visit his tomb.  Having a car is essential to get around any (albeit limited) recreational opportunities.

    Then there is the weather. Well, we are in Week 6 or 7 of hot humid weather (30 deg. C and higher) without much of a break. /me sips water. Last couple of winters have been mild, but it can get canadian cold here.

    Politically, Urbana and the campus tend to carry Democratic flavor, while Champaign and the rural area are noticeably Republican. The student population (35k students, or about a 33% change) cyclically stimulates the bustle of the city, and, as in many a small town presumably (Ithaca, NY ?)  the local businesses and landowners are easily able to turn that to their advantage.  The semi-annual migration pattern can be seen in August and May, mostly to and from the Chicago suburbs.

    Aside from the student population, there is not much of a cultural melting pot. There is a neighborhood that is predominantly "black", but one does not hear too much about racial tensions.  In the last couple of years I have noticed more Latinos moving into and working in the area.

    There are some restaurants that bring a scant of ethnic favor - mexican, italian, chinese - but I would call it more the Americanised versions that a far from anything good authentic.  Of course you have your selection of national restaurant chains (Red Lobster, MickeyD's, Appleby's, etc.)  The range of shopping venues is pretty decent, and there are enough technology stores to satisfy your average consumer.

    Generally the area is considered to be nice for families. The crimes are largely either really stupid things or simply petty theft mostly in, on, and around the campus area.  There are relatively few serious crimes, but when they happen they are serious.

    Well-known residents have included Roger Ebert, film critic, who returns annually every summer to hold a film festival, and actress Jennie Garth of _90210_ fame (who I guess was merely born here).


    What recreational opportunities do you have?
    Nothing to see here really ... move along.

    What do you like about it?
    Nice for concentrating on work or raising a family.

    What do you hate about it?
    Dearth of cultural enrichment. Any other place is better if you are single or find your labeled by mainstream society as having a controversial lifestyle.   Everything revolves around the university and/or the academic calendar. 

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
    None I can say for the municipalities proper.  On the other hand, I am proud to know personally some persons who are very hard-working in their personal lives, in their careers, and in the local community.

    Would you recommend it, and why?
    The reader should decide for himself, of course.  But I would summarize by writing that there are distinct disadvantages to being in a small town that is built around one college or one business because your life tends to have to adjust to that.


    Kingston, Jamaica (none / 0) (#401)
    by JahToasted on Fri Aug 02, 2002 at 01:21:50 PM EST

    Where do you live?

    Kingston, Jamaica

    I'm from Canada, been here for a couple of years.

    Why do you live there?

    Was looking for a job after graduating, applied to CUSO. I chose Jamaica because it seemed an interesting place.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?

    Well Kingston has plenty of culture. Every race and religion in the world is well represented here.

    Music is omni-present in Jamaica. Ska, Mento, Calypso, and of course Reggae is played most everywhere. Unfortunately a lot of the music here is being heavily influenced by the loud obnoxious rap music from the US. But there are still some good pure "roots" music. And there is some pretty good jazz music here if you look in the right places.

    Besides that there are always plays, pantomime, comedies etc going on.

    Plenty of chinese and east indian reastaurants around. Jerk chicken and jerk prok can be had most anywhere.

    What recreational opportunities do you have?

    Ganja is cheap.

    There are a few clubs around if having loud music blasting at you is your thing.

    To me the big draw is the beach. Near Kingston (known as just "Town" in Ja) there in Hellshire Beach and Lime Caye. Lime Caye is is very nice. hire a fisherman to take you out for the day (don't pay until you come back or you might be stranded). At the end of the day have some fish at Port Royal.

    Port Royal is a nice spot in itself. Once the "wickedest, and richest, city in the World", was once the pirate's capital. Interestingly enough there is virtually no crime there today, which is very odd for Jamaica.

    Outside of Town you get to some very nice beaches in St. Thomas and Portland in about an hour or two. Ocho Rios is not that far either, if the resort scene is what you want. Montego Bay and Negril are farther, but if you want to hang with the slackjawed tourists they are there.

    To me the most beautiful part of the country is Portland (the easternmost parish). Quiet, not too touristy and the beaches are beutiful (and have big enough waves to body-surf)

    What do you like about it?

    Beuatiful beaches, beautiful women, and plenty of ganja.

    What do you hate about it?

    Kingston is a very violent place. Gangs control the downtown areas. The political parties are connected to the gangs. Nobody talks about it but everyone knows it. You see the political parties' names, PNP and JLP, spray painted on walls to mark who's territory it is. An election is coming later this year and it is likely to be violent.

    The gangs are not only supported by the parties, but also by the drug trade. It's not just marijuana now, Jamaica is a major trans-shipment point for columbian cocaine.

    Prostitution is common-place. In many inner-city areas parents will send out their teenage daughters out to sleep with men to pay the rent. In the tourist areas teenage and pre-teen boys will sleep with men for small amounts of money. Rent-a-dreads earn a living sleeping with fat American women.

    Homophobia is ingrained in the culture. Half of the songs played here advocate violence towards gays (personally I question the sexuality of some the these DJ's... they seem obsessed with homosexuals).

    The problems with Jamaica could fill an article in itself so i'll stop now.

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

    Well, the good people here are really good, the bad people are really bad. The trouble is figuring out which is which. Who the cap fit let them wear it...

    Would you recommend it, and why?

    Not for the faint of heart. Life here is like a big hustle. You either hustle or be hustled. I'm sure what's better... being naive and being hustled or being wise to the hustle and seeing all the problems.

    The prosperous have a hard time accepting the misery of the poor. If you have a hard time in dealing with seeing poverty then stay away from here.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

    Know how to spot a hustle.

    How is it different from other places you have been?

    Being from canada it is very different. Yet in some ways it's similar.

    The poverty and violence is different from canada, but the vibe I get from people is very similar. I guess no matter how different people are, deep down we are all the same.
    ______
    "I wanna have my kicks before the whole shithouse goes up in flames" -- Jim Morrison

    The Capitol of the World (3.00 / 1) (#402)
    by anaesthetica on Fri Aug 02, 2002 at 01:26:25 PM EST

    Where do you live?
    Washington, District of Columbia, USA

    Why do you live there?
    I attend a university in DC

    What cultural opportunities do you have?
    You'd think that a college student in DC would have a lot of exposure to cultural events, but we really don't. Sure, I saw the Silk Road event on the Mall, I've eaten at an Ethiopian restaurant, i went to my school's AsiaFest fair, and i saw Run Lola Run over at the Goethe Institut, but none of that really counts. College students only stumble upon those kinds of opportunities, and usually don't even realize what happened until afterwards. It's not like we're trying to be more cultured--we can barely remember the cultural experiences anyway.

    I'm pretty sure there are a bunch of concert halls around DC. I can see the Kennedy Center from my dorm at night. There are monuments strewn haphazardly around the whole city and some of the nearby suburbs. But that's no big deal.

    I think the most cultural exposure we get on a normal basis is generally when we're trying to hit on hot foreign chicks at some random dance party held in an overcramped sweaty apartment with bad music playing. That and trying to decipher our TA's accents.

    What recreational opportunities do you have?
    We go to parties a lot, and that's incredibly lame. Sometimes we go out clubbing, or go out to eat. But after freshman year the frequency of the latter two activities wanes in favor of more sitting around and drinking. Which bothers the hell out of me, since i don't drink.

    What do you like about it?
    Well if there's a world war anytime soon, and the US is in it, we'll be either the first of second US city to bite the dust. So that's kinda thrilling. I like being in a city in general--i'm a big fan of the city life. The building and the architecture in general around here is spectacular. The mixture and sophistication of styles around here is out of this world.

    What do you hate about it?
    As far as cities go, it feels kinda small. I don't know how many people actually live here, but compared to other cities it feels small because there are no sky-scrapers. I grew up in Philadelphia, and while that's not the biggest city on the East Coast, it's certainly one of the densest.

    The culture of DC is also kinda strange. There are so many people that commute into DC on a daily basis that the city has a strange culture to it. While there are a lot of artistic places and events around here (not that i would go to them or know what they are at any given time) the people themselves don't seem all that artistic. Half of the people in washington are lawyers, half are unemployed and dirt poor living in South East DC. The lawyers are a bunch of assholes who buy art to impress others, and the people in DC don't have time for art because they're trying not to starve while being shot at on a daily basis. There are very few people left in between to establish an artistic culture. Or at least that's the impression that i get.

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
    Washington has the money to buy almost anything worth having, so there's lots of interesting and beautiful things strewn around the city. A lot of rich foreigners like bringing expensive parts of their cultures here as well, which is a plus.

    Would you recommend it, and why?
    It's not bad. I wouldn't recommend it as a long term residence. For college it's fine. I just hope my career doesn't make me end up living here. The constant grind would wear down your soul. A half nomadic population, palaces and ghettos, art because of money: it's exciting sometimes, but mostly it's just rough.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
    Nothing, there are tour guides and embassies all over the place to answer any questions you might ever have about anything. Bring money.

    How is it different from other places you have been?
    Well, like i said, it doesn't have as much of a big city feel as Philadelphia did, and it certainly doesn't have the artistic culture that can be found throughout philly.

    That being said, it's lightyears better than the suburbs of Baltimore, which are shitty suburbs outside a shitty city (sorry to all you Baltimorons out there, it's true, after Homicide got canceled Baltimore lost pretty much everything it had going for it).

    So to sum up: Washington DC, as the capitol of the world, has the lowest common denominator of the creme-de-le-creme. Or something.

    —I'm the little engine that didn't.
    k5: our trolls go to eleven
    [A]S FAR AS A PERSON'S ACTIONS ARE CONCERNED, IT IS NOT TRUE THAT NOTHING BUT GOOD COMES FROM GOOD AND NOTHING BUT EVIL COMES FROM EVIL, BUT RATHER QUITE FREQUENTLY THE OPPOSITE IS THE CASE. ANYONE WHO DOES NOT REALIZE THIS IS IN FACT A MERE CHILD IN POLITICAL MATTERS. max weber, politics as a vocation


    I live in Sacramento, CA, USA, 3rd planet from Sol (none / 0) (#403)
    by libertine on Fri Aug 02, 2002 at 01:35:13 PM EST

    I live in Sacramento, CA, which is about 100mi northeast of San Francisco.  I have several reasons for living here, but largely it is because it has a good mix of west coast rural and city culture.  Depending on where you choose to live in the area, there are several public and private art centers, several colleges and universities, coffee houses, large and small band venues, and a smattering of galleries and museums, most of them specialty.  For recreation, there is access to numerous natural parks, hundreds of miles of paved and unpaved bike trails, two large and many small rivers with or without whitewater, as well as an interesting variety of martial arts academies and instructors.  Mountains and ocean are no more than two hours away in either direction.  There are also wineries in the nearby hills and several small local breweries.

    I like the people here.  Most of them are pretty honest and straightforward.  The food in this town is excellent- it is always fresh, tasty, and the service is usually better than in other cities.  Per capita, it probably boasts more than your average amount of tattoo and piercing places.  The city itself is pretty clean, and most of the buildings are in good repair.  Slum lording in Sacramento is pretty unusual, and the standards of living here are a bit higher than I have seen in some other metro areas.  There are lots of trees as well, plenty of wildlife in short driving distance.  Really, if you are into the out-of-doors but want your hot chai on Sunday morning, Sacramento can be hard to beat for that.  There are also lots of bookstores, and several art supply stores.  Plenty of writers and artists also live in the area, though this is declining due to rising housing costs.

    Things to hate:  Well, anybody who is moving to California to get away from "the weather" probably doesn't want to move to Sacramento, since it has seasons.  Summers can get blisteringly hot for about 3 - 6 weeks, and the winters can get cold (not like Minnessotta, but still below freezing) and Sacramento gets nearly as much rainfall as Portland, but only over about 4 months; don't forget it also floods and gets tornadoes.  It is worse if you have hay fever, since Sacramento has been in a 2 decade competition with Paris to see who has the most trees per capita.  There are some unusual building requirements depending on which local community you choose to live in (downtown/midtown wants you to show why you can't refurb a victorian, rather than build new; other areas, you can't build above the treeline; then there are 'mello roos' property tax zones; some areas you *have* to join the local mafia, er, homeowner's association).  Then there are the politicians and their entourages, since this is the capitol of the state.

    The good qualities of Sacramento are that it is a stable place to live, where people in general tend to be friendly and polite.  People are friendly, and will go out of their way to help you if they can.  However, people from other cities rediscover this every decade or so and bring their problems with them when they move here.  Also, the "politeness" of people here can be interpreted as "coldness" if you are rude.  This can be good or bad, depending on your view of things- i.e., you can get your ass beat down for talking on your cell phone in a movie theater.  I mean this literally- the kinds of rude behavior that is ok elsewhere, or "ignored" in some places, is instead acted upon directly in Sacramento.

    On the down side, this attitude probably comes from being smack dab in the middle of an agricultural valley, surrounded by two state prisons and three military bases.  Which means that many of the surrounding communities have VERY conservative quirks; each community seems to have its hot button, and ignores most everything else.  Another factor is that the State is probably the biggest employer outside of agriculture.  When there is a state hiring freeze, EVERY business over 50 people seems to put on a hiring freeze as well, including cities and counties (agriculture is an exception, you can get hired any summer as a tomato truck driver).  Theft and other petty crimes are not much of an issue here, but violent crime and murder can skyrocket during a lousy economic shift.  This might also explain all the flourishing gun stores, pawn shops, and martial arts schools run by people who used to be special forces.

    I would probably recommend Sacramento to anyone wanting a decent place to live and raise a family, but who want to avoid most of the rat race issues that some other cities seem to find endemic (and some are proud of, like NYC).  There are lots of opportunities, if you can wait for them, and are willing to look at alternatives to making a living (i.e., few IT and modeling jobs, plenty of work for lawyers, truckers, and statisticians).  Also, most of the peope I know who started their own businesses in Sacramento have done well for themselves.

    If you were to move here, I would strongly recommend that you either have friends/family here, or make some fast.  Most everything that matters in Sacramento happens via word of mouth, especially work and the dating scene.  Also, Bay Area and LA transplants have driven up the cost of housing here lately, but that doesn't mean *wages* have risen.  The increase is almost solely due to insane commuters and people moving here with a nest egg (and paying too much for their homes).  Unless you have a sure gig, or like driving trucks, or have people you can depend on, you might find yourself "camping" down by the river in Discovery Park.  Also, don't move between November and March- it rains, alot, and snows up in the I-80 pass ALOT.  You might end up like the Donner party, if you are not careful.

    Closest approximation to another place would be Portland, but replace the references to 'rain' with 'heat'.  Actually, Portland does a lot of recruiting in Sacramento for jobs.  If you are looking for I.T. work along with your move, you might just want to save yourself some time and move up there (they need good IT workers up there).  This is in comparison to having been up and down the US west coast, visiting the midwest, travelling through part of the South, and living in Panama and Honduras.  I also visit family all over the western continental US, and in Hawaii.


    "Live for lust. Lust for life."

    New York, New York, USA (none / 0) (#404)
    by harrisj on Fri Aug 02, 2002 at 01:41:41 PM EST

    This is a neat little story, and I'm game, so here goes...

    Where do you live?
    Thompson St, just above SoHo, in the Village, Manhattan, New York, NY, USA

    Why do you live there?
    Moved down here to be with my then-girlfriend, now-wife.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?
    Tons. I like to joke that New York is the port where the culture gets imported into the USA from Europe and then distributed to the rest of the country. We have quite a few world-class museums, a good ballet, orchestra, classic rock venues. Almost every book publisher is headquartered here as are many magazines (both good and bad) and TV programs (both good and bad). This is why every new sitcom is set in New York, since the execs are very familiar with it (I wish more shows followed the Drew Carey example and picked different cities). Music labels are here, and NO band on tour will miss the New York area. There are also many movie companies here, especially independent distributors, which is why we get almost every release in theaters a week before the rest of the county (mainly for the large number of critics and journalists here). I could go on and on, but you get the idea.

    What recreational opportunities do you have?
    There are many urban recreational activities available (eg, boozing, movies, etc.). There are some parks, but nature is not really incorporated into the fabric of New York. There is always a shortage of sports fields and the city needs many more parks. The Chelsea Piers are a popular place for many sports (ice hockey all day and night for instance), but it can be somewhat pricy.

    What do you like about it?
    New York is quite simply a place where you can do almost anything possible at almost any time. It's a city that stays up late, even all night. I love going out to clubs sometimes at 2 AM, love getting groceries in the evening, love stumbling across a new coffeehouse. The subway NEVER stops running. It has great museums, bookstores, newspaper, and magazines. It's a melting pot of many cultures and it has many diverse neigborhoods. To pick a random example, Greenwich Village is much different from the Upper West Side and both are worlds different from Astoria or Williamsburg. It's also a very tolerant city, both for race and sexuality (it has one of the largest gay communities in the country).

    New York is the best restaurant city in the country. In a city with so many different ethnic and national groups, it's not hard to find your specialty or subspecialty (you can pick which region of Italy you want), no matter what you're looking for. With the exception of Times Square (and its timid tourists), the major chains (eg, Applebees, Friendlys, Olive Garden) which have dominated much of the remaining American landscape (much to the detriment of local flavor) have not really made it in New York, so every restaurant is different. It's also the only place where you could get a $2 dollar burger and get an incredible $300 meal (incl. wine) from a world-class chef in the same neighborhood.

    It's also a city where it's stupid to have a car. Everything in Manhattan and parts of Brooklyn and Queens is largely accessible either by foot or by the subway and buses. I love the fact that pedestrians have not been marginalized like so many other cities. It's a real pleasure to stroll on the streets and see all the things you can see. Since the city is so dense, you don't really need a car for your necessities. Where I live (in Greenwich Village), the laundromat and dry cleaners are downstairs, the grocery store is 2 blocks away, the video store is 1 block away, the drug store and pet store are also a block away, and all major subway lines are within a few blocks.

    What do you hate about it?
    New York is a very dense and crowded place. While this is good because there's always enough demand for there to be a supply of everything (what other city has a Lampshade District?), it also is quite annoying at times. Seeing popular movies is largely impossible for the first few weeks, as all the major showings (even at midnight on a Tuesday) will be sold out, and ticketholders have to wait at least half an hour before showtime for tickets. Crowds also are bad when the subway is running late, when the grocery store is busy, when people think a place is the in place to be. To make things worse, all of Northern New Jersey seems to drive in on weekends, making the streets of SoHo seemingly teeming with humanity.

    And of course, it's also an expensive city. I think only a few other American cities come close in cost, and it gives London and Tokyo a run for the money. There aren't many apartments, and they are rediculously expensive and painfully small. My 600sf apartment on the sixth floor of a renovated tenement is $1500 a month. Moving is not something that's easy. Also, while the subway connects a lot together, it can still take a while to commute if you move to Brooklyn for more space. Food, drinks, and everything else are also more expensive, since businesses have to pay off their rents as well ($5 a beer is common). As a result, there is a bit of a plutocracy in play, and places where the extremely rich congregate (eg, the Upper East Side, TriBeCa) are extremely distressing (the rich will spend their money on ANYTHING it seems). In addition, there are some pockets of extreme poverty in the city (eg, lower Bronx, Harlem) which have been left out of the prosperity of New York's recovery from the 70s. Even for middle class residents, it can be a bit of a squeeze to get by. We pay the same taxes as the rest of the nation, but much more in rent and other basic expenses.

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
    The cultural opportunities, the extensive and old subway network (express trains are a great invention), the food (incl. egg creams and black and white cookies), all the people, the expense, walking on the streets and avenues, the punks, and the raw gritty feel of underground culture.

    Would you recommend it, and why?
    No. We're full. Go home. ;-)

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
    If you can make it here, you'll make it anywhere. Or so they say. Also, get yourself a subscription to Time Out New York so you'll know what is going on.

    How is it different from other places you have been?
    In Washington, DC I needed a car, and as a teenager there wasn't a lot to do. DC has a lot of great cultural opportunities. In college, I like Boston, but it would always closedown way too early. At least it was a very walkable city. Now I'm in the center of the BosWash megalopolis, and I like that instead.



    Crooked Creek, MN (none / 0) (#405)
    by tjw on Fri Aug 02, 2002 at 01:47:09 PM EST

    Where do you live?
    Crooked Creek is a township at the south-eastern tip of Minnesota, USA. It is composed of two small towns Reno and Freeburg, but more people in the township live out of these towns than in them.
    Why do you live there?
    I was born here. As a teenager, I wanted to get out very badly for a variety of reasons. So I did. After graduating high school, I moved to Minneapolis, MN. It wasn't until I lived in Minneapolis for a few years (5 I think) that I realized all the things that make Crooked Creek great, and returned.
    What cultural opportunities do you have?
    Not many.
    What recreational opportunities do you have?
    My home is surrouned by thousands of acres of State owned forest land. The Mississippi river is 2 miles away, and a trout stream (Crooked Creek) flows right by. Needless to say, there are plenty of outdoor recreation activities to be had.
    What do you like about it?
    Why did I move back to this desolate hole in the ground? Because of the people. The culture of a sparsely poplulated area is distincly different from that of a city or town. We have a close-knit community. Nearly everyone in the valley I live in communicates and visit with each other regularily. Not to mention, neighbors share goods, farm equipment, and labor with each other without the question of reimbersement. The class system doesn't really operate here either. Nobody flaunts there money buying status items. Looking at the people in the community you can tell the rich man from the poor (without referencing a plat book).
    What do you hate about it?
    The 8 miles of copper lines that seperate my house from the phone companies central office. In other words, the internet connection sucks. Also, the 45 minute commute to work gets a bit tiresome. In recent years there is also the issue of land prices skyrocketing and prices for agricultural goods plummeting. I fear the result of this will be the good hardworking people leaving and people of different values moving in.
    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
    Other than the beautiful landscape, an outsider isn't going to pick up on some of the finer points of the area.
    Would you recommend it, and why?
    No. I prefer to live in _sparsely_ populated areas.
    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
    The value of a days labor isn't worth much cash, but has other redeeming values.


    colorado (none / 0) (#406)
    by Yabl0 on Fri Aug 02, 2002 at 01:58:30 PM EST

    Where do you live?
    westminster, colorado

    Why do you live there?
    close to work, friends, family, not too expensive

    What cultural opportunities do you have?
    museums and etc in downtown denver

    What recreational opportunities do you have?
    many.  sporting events, bars, malls, mountains, parks, etc.

    What do you like about it?
    smallish town, but in a big metro area.  it's not too close to the big city, but not too far either.  the climate is just rad, as it can snow one day, then be 70degrees the next.

    What do you hate about it?
    traffic is a bitch.  it's everywhere, at all times.  opressive cops.

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
    the "not-quite-suburban-but-not-quite-urban" feel.

    Would you recommend it, and why?
    honestly, i wouldn't recommend it.  it gets old after a bit, and after being here a year, i'm starting to look around for another place to live.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
    east-west streets are numbered.  the closer to denver, the lower the street numbers.
    north-south streets go from east to west: i-25, federal, sheridan, wadsworth.

    How is it different from other places you have been?
    it's not all that different, actually.


    Pasadena (near Houston), Texas (none / 0) (#407)
    by Maniac on Fri Aug 02, 2002 at 01:58:37 PM EST

    Where do you live?

    I live in a tentacle of Pasadena that is relatively close to Clear Lake. It is odd how cities like Pasadena, Houston, Sugar Land, and others have these branches out from the main body so they can have rights over the unincorporated parts of the county near them.

    Why do you live there?

    I moved to Texas when my job (and my wife's job) moved to Texas. I've since divorced and stay in the area to stay close to the kids.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?

    The other posts have made mention of some of the opportunities in Houston. There are also a few good clubs around as well as the "gentleman's clubs" that Texas (and Houston in particular) is [in]famous for.

    What recreational opportunities do you have?

    Almost anything except winter sports (ice skating and ice hockey are the only exceptions). Plenty of boating near by at Clear Lake or in Galveston Bay. Many people like to camp, fish, and hunt. Professional sports are big w/ baseball, basketball, and football leading the way.

    What do you like about it?

    Relatively inexpensive living. Almost no bad restraunts (or stores) - the bad ones go out of business quickly. No income tax.

    What do you hate about it?

    Incessant heat and humidity for about 9 months of the year - air conditioning is almost a requirement for a home or car. That weather is also hard on houses - way more maintenance needed that I had in Southern California. Too far away from snow skiing; I miss that a lot in the winter.   Property taxes are also high.

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

    Houston is a city trying to be one of the best in the country. Sometimes that achievement is done with less than ethical results (e.g., Enron).

    Would you recommend it, and why?

    I have friends who really like to avoid winter - you can do that here. Myself, I'm likely to be leaving within 12 months if the decline in work goes as expected.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

    Buy a less expensive house - you will save a LOT on taxes and save on expenses. Traffic is really bad in some spots as well. Choose a good neighborhood - ask around before you buy.

    How is it different from other places you have been?

    I lived 18 years in Oregon - very nice place to grow up in. Would like to go back if I could find a good job. My mom is still there and I go back about once a year. I may retire there - have to see.

    I lived 18 years in Southern California - Covina, Pomona, Upland. Would go back there too if I could arrange it. I used to be able to take a day off work in the winter and go skiing for a day - I miss that. I also miss the nice weather (but could do without the smog).

    I used to say I'd live 18 years in Texas before I moved again - maybe not.


    Middlefield, Ohio (none / 0) (#408)
    by Johnny Longtorso on Fri Aug 02, 2002 at 02:11:21 PM EST

    Great topic, yet to read many of the responses... Here's mine.
    Where do you live?
    Middlefield, Ohio - small town in N.E. Ohio.
    Why do you live there?
    It was not _too_ far from work (25 miles) yet far enough that I was able to buy 4.5 acres and build a brand new home (first I've ever owned) for a reasonable amount of money.
    I like Ohio for it's climate(s). I like a change of seasons, and NE Ohio tends to be "not too..." with respect to most seasons.
    What cultural opportunities do you have?
    I live in the 4th largest Amish community in the world, so there's much of an "old world" feel to that. For anything else cultural it's a car ride somewhere. Cleveland is about an hour away and represents a fairly diverse cultural mix. One of my favorite places is the Cleveland Rockefeller Greenhouse - it's free and one of the best secrest of University Circle where the balance of Clevelands (cost based) "Cultural Facilities" (museums, concert hall, etc) are located.
    What recreational opportunities do you have?
    If you really like digging, chopping, having seizures from being molested by a cloud of deerflies, or general farming Middlefield is for you. The adventurous can take a bike out on Old State Road and pit thier wits against drunken rednecks in Pick-Ups featuring many "Dale" and "Dale Jr." stickers and the latest Clint Black CD blaring at 125dB as they careen along at near 2x the posted speed limit. 8 accidents in 11 months within 100 ft. of my driveway - including one (horse) fatality.
    Oh - there's canoeing not far away - but it's far from "white water" and more work than it is fun.
    What do you like about it?
    I own it (well, I will in ~10 years). It's in the woods. Neighbors are like neighbors on TV - we wave, chat at the mailbox. I can walk 1/4 mile and buy fruits and vegetables that were "on the vine" 30 minutes earlier. In spring htere's _real_ maple syrup (if you haven't had it you're missong something special). The Amish are nice.
    What do you hate about it?
    The speeders / general assholes on the road. You don't have to be under-educated, stupid, and wreckless to drive a beater piece-of-shit pick-up, but apparently it helps.
    A distant neighbor - mechanic at the local Chevy dealer - loves to spend weekends perefecting the posi-traction one-wheel burnout (or at least once the NASCAR (pronounced "nays-car") is over on the "TeeeVeee" for the day). Oddly surrounded by shirtless teen-age boys on many weekends. Perhaps he's doing thier "warsh" for them.
    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
    The clash of old and new - Amish in buggies, punks in Camaros. I have seen a buggy with a "Metallica" bumper sticker on the windscreen. While I have yet to see one, I have been told that there are "boom buggies" that have large stereos and a comensurate number of batteries to power them.
    Horseshit really sticks to paint and in wheelwells.
    Fresh produce is nothing like the processed crap we are sold at the local markets (nor priced like it either!)
    The sky is incredibly blue (my theory is it's due to the elevation)
    Fresh air is nice.
    Would you recommend it, and why?
    It's not for those used to the convenience of city life, but I like it.
    Minimum lot size = 3 acres = no cluster homes! (NE Ohio suffering gretly from slash-n-burn "urban sprawl")
    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
    There is limited high-speed Internet - so move close to the local CO. (lucky me - 200 feet past the limit for DSL!)
    A 4 wheel drive vehicle is a good idea, rear wheel-drive generally a bad idea (lucky me - two Mustangs!)
    How is it different from other places you have been?
    Been? or Lived?
    Been to most every state, CA, JP, China, Brazil.
    Lived in TX, PA, and OH
    It's different enough that if I could afford it I'd move to HI (Maui). TX was OK - but far too racist where I lived in Dallas.
    If I were to move to another country it would be Japan or Brazil. I just love expereincing other cultures for a time. Brazil was lovely, the people so nice - but the poverty in the capitol was sadenning and the crime bothersome - I'd like to live somewhere between Rio and San Paulo (like Paratee!) Japan held so much interest for me - but in 2 trips there I never really got out of the city, and I would love to have seen some of the real culture. Seeing Tokyo and thinking you've seen Japan is like seeing New York City and thinking you've seen America - trust me, you haven't!

    Don
    I put the "fun" in dysfunctional
    Olympia, WA (none / 0) (#409)
    by ruggiero on Fri Aug 02, 2002 at 03:09:50 PM EST

    I'm just a "kid," but I'll tell you what I can about the place I live.

    Where do you live? I live in Olympia, WA. It's a fairly small town in the pacific northwest about 60 miles south of Seattle. Olympia itself is pretty small, but Lacey and Tumwater, two other small towns are actually part of Olympia and it upgrades its status from "midget town" to "small town."

    Why do you live here? I live here because we moved here from Corvallis, WA. Before that, we moved from College Park, MD. Before that, we moved from Beijing, PRC. So we've been all over the place.

    Cultural oppotunities? Most big-town people will come here and either call us hicks, or hippies. However, we're not. :P There's a lot of asian people living here, along with some native american influence. I can't really directly explain it but we eat a lot of seafood.

    Recreational opportunities? Mostly the stuff to do here is outdoors. There's a plethora of parks, nice trails that show off the Northwest's greenery, the south sound, stuff like that. We have a really good golf course here, and Mt. Rainier is about a 2 hour drive away, depending on how fast you go. ;) As always, Seattle is only 1 hour north of here and there's always stuff to do there.

    What do you like about it? It's nice. Everyone here is nice. Even when they're completely drunk off their arse they can still be nice. Also, the air is clean, and nature is literally everywhere. It's like stepping outside your house into a freaking forest.

    What do you dislike about it? It's a small town. There's sometimes nothing to do because in like a 2 month span you can visit everything in a 60 mile radius.

    What qualities really stand out? Everyone is uber-nice.

    Would you recommend it? Yes. If you're looking to get away from a screwed-up big-town life then come here. It's really relaxing and just a nice place to chill out.

    If I were to move there... You don't really need to know anything. The place will adapt to you. :P

    How is it different from other places? It's quiet, and people are nice. There's also a lot more stuff to do outdoors.

    Chicago (none / 0) (#413)
    by bigsexyjoe on Fri Aug 02, 2002 at 04:06:00 PM EST

    Where do you live?
    Chicago, more specifically on the North Side.

    Why do you live there?
    I was raised here, and not to put your home down I think Chicago is the best city in the world.

    What cultural/recreational opportunities do you have?
    Lots.  Chicago is the third largest city in the US.  There's a few very worthwhile museums.  Chicago is also known for blues music and comedy (many SNL cast members started here.)  As large city, it has operas, symphonies, etc.  Chicago has the world's largest free Zoo, the Lincoln Park Zoo.  It is the home to some of the worlds tallest buildings.  The Sears Tower is the second tallest builing in the behind a building which beats it because it has a large spire on top.  It is really neat to go to the top of the Sears Tower or John Hancock building on clear day and look around.  Chicago has many nice parks and a very nice beaches on Lake Michigan.  The lake front is basically one long beach, next to that is one long park, next to that is a very, very long bike path, next to that is Lake Shore drive, which is an expressway, sort of.  It has a very nice view of the Lake.  I recommend that anyone who comes to Chicago should go out on Navy Pier at night to look at the downtown skyline.  It is beautiful.

    I think Chicago also has some of the best food in the world.  You can get food from all over the world (well, americanized versions anyway).  The portions are also very large in Chicago.  An expensive restaraunt would cost a lot less than one in Paris and would probably be as good.  Chicago is known for pizza.

    We really have kind of a double downtown.  There's the Loop which is all business and shuts down at night and there's the Gold Coast which is mostly shopping and what not.  For Christmas time all the downtown stores decorate for Chirstmas and it is lots of fun to walk around.

    Chicago, like New York, is a city that never sleeps.  There are plenty of bars and dance clubs and what not.

    What do you like about it?
    Well, there's a pretty nice train system.  It's not quite like New York, but if you work downtown and live by the train you can get away with not having a car.

    I also like the people.  They are city people but they also have the nice midwestern qualities.

    What do you hate about it?
    Nothing really comes to mind.

    What qualities really stand out?

    The weather.  Chicago gets to about 100 F (37 C) in the summer and about 0 F (-17 C) in the winter, but that is at the most extreme.  It usually is between 85 and 25, though. The weather is pretty schizophrenic, it changes rapidly.  Lots of snow too.  And the summer is always very humid.  The reason this is a good thing is that keeps LA types from living here.

    Chicago has a fascinating history.  I won't talk about it much because there's plenty of books about it.

    Chicago is a very diverse city.  It is a place where many immigrants moved after coming to America and was also a very common desitination for blacks who wanted to leave the South.  Chicago tends to be divided into ethnic neighborhoods.  It is nice to visit them for some culture.

    There is a lot of differences between the North Side and South Side.  The North is a smaller area and tends to be a little more yuppish.  The South Side is the land of the Super Fans.  It is more blue collar and spread over a larger area.  It has more black people but is also more segregated.

    Would you recommend it, and why?
    Yes, it has all the advantages of a big city but not as crowded as New York (not that have anything against New York), and it is a real city unlike LA.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

    If you are a Republican, keep your beliefs to yourself.

    Los Angeles, California (none / 0) (#415)
    by madgeo on Fri Aug 02, 2002 at 05:26:32 PM EST

    Where do you live?

    Glendale near Lost Angeles, California, United States of America

    Why do you live there?

    Lived in Southern California almost all of my life. Graduated college here, almost everyone I know is here, work is here, church is here.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?

    I think the Cultural opportunity I value the most is that I can get ANY kind of food from world cuisine I want. I routinely eat out at Thai, Mexican (every day), Armenian, Chilean, Chinese, Japanese, Italian, Argentenian restaurants, and on and on.

    Some would say Los Angeles/SoCal is weak on Culture, but I think that is a bias especially since we now have the Getty Center which has world class art and architecture. We are improving a lot in culture but we do have room for more...

    What recreational opportunities do you have?

    Easy answer: 40 minutes to the beach, 40 minutes to the mountains. Two seasons, a little hot (90 F), a little cool (40s F rarely). Snowboarding in light clothing sometimes.

    What do you like about it?

    Weather is great. Fairly loose attitudes about a lot of things. Food is great. People more pleasant than New York, but respectful of distance too. It's a true melting pot of people from different countries.

    Of course the U.S. in general is a very free place to do business and live your life for the most part, that's why we have such high immigration demand. That applies to Los Angeles in particular.

    What do you hate about it?

    TRAFFIC!!!!

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

    Good Weather. Lots of people from different places/cultures. TRAFFIC!!!!

    Would you recommend it, and why?

    Absolutely. Nice place to live. We have huge immigration from within and without the U.S. for a reason, it's very nice to live here. To people that don't think it's a "real city" I would say, WHATEVER. It's not compressed like New York, and it's much more pleasant people.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

    There is almost no public transportation to speak of, so expect to need a car. Then expect to take three times as long to get anywhere due to traffic.

    There is real mexican food and then there is california mexican food. Real mexican food is served in little shops that do not look very good, but the food is way better. California mexican food is commoditized in slick fastfood joints and the food is ok.

    You need Air Conditioning in your car during the summer, don't scrimp on that....

    How is it different from other places you have been?

    Way more high-tech than some countries I've been in.

    Not narrow-minded (although individuals will vary of course).

    Lots to do



    London UK, Well NW6 and then some (none / 0) (#417)
    by blinder on Fri Aug 02, 2002 at 05:40:08 PM EST

    Where do you live?

    I live in London, in the UK. I live in London primarily because it's the largest city in the UK and a lot of my friends that I went to university live here. I've had three jobs here that have all been quite good.

    There are lots of cultural oppurtunities here, the same that you'd expect in any large capital city. I guess that some things in this country mean a lot more because of their age that you maybe don't get in someother countries. There are some wierd, allegedly cultural things, like all the arty installation stuff you get anywhere. But there are some real gems, including The Tate (now Tate Britain) and the National Portrait Gallery.

    There's loads to do in London, I can't possibly explain even 1% of it. Bars, Clubs, lots of diverse sports such as Football, Rugby, Cricket (Lords - the home of cricket is down the road from my house, 30 mins walk tops), etc. Lots of parks.

    Lots of nasty air though too. Lots of faceless people, lots of tourist underfeet.

    I guess the main difference with London is that it's bigger than everywhere else. It can be a very scarey place if you don't know anyone here, but if you do you can have a fantastic time here.

    There's a fair bit of street crime in central london, but that's the same as everywhere. As long as you don't look like a tourist and aren't flaunting it, you won't get any (much) trouble.

    London is well worth living in for a couple of years. Definitely.



    Copenhagen, Denmark, EU (5.00 / 1) (#419)
    by TurboThy on Fri Aug 02, 2002 at 07:34:19 PM EST

    Where do you live?
    København, Denmark

    Why do you live there?
    Moved here to study. I am originally from outside of Jystrup, a village of ~400 people 60km away from København.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?
    What recreational opportunities do you have?

    The lot. København is the capital of Denmark so most of the important museums are located here. Thorvaldsen, the famous sculptor has his own, and the National Gallery and the National Museum aren't bad either. There are quite a few parks in town, with the Botanical Garden being one of the best in summer. It's free for a stroll, although there's an admission fee for the tropic greenhouse. Lots of cinemas, with the newly opened Empire Bio being one of the best with couches in the theatres, a laid-back feel and showing something else than Hollywood's worst.

    What do you like about it?
    The CBD is small enough to be easily accessible on foot - kinda like Amsterdam in size [only with worse public transportation :-) ]. Even so, it's way more metropolic than where I grew up. I need culture and diversity around me, not some backwoods town. And then it's one of the most ethnically diverse places in Denmark, something I value very much since the average Dane is one of the most intolerant and obnoxious person you'll meet. This I conclude from the composition of the parliament since the last election, which did not go my way.

    What do you hate about it?
    The unwillingness of the public administration to close off the inner city to private traffic and establish better public transportation instead. And on the note of Danish intolerance, a self-established preacher is staging a "Muslims out of Nørrebro" (Nørrebro is the part of København most ethnically mixed, frequently referred to as "Nørre Bronx") demonstration, requiring 600 (!) policemen to cover his sorry ass as he plan to wander up and down the main street from this Sunday and 4 days on.

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
    I like to think of it as a small large city, with enough opportunities to make it worth your while both as a citizen and as a tourist, but not large and stuffy enough to overpower you like London or Rome.

    Would you recommend it, and why?
    Yes. But avoid the Little Mermaid, she is wildly overrated.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
    As opposed to the other Dane posting here, I don't think you have to learn Danish at first. Over 90% of the population understands and speaks English well. But an understanding of the concepts of a welfare state would come in handy if you plan to work and live here, as it might seem harsh to pay half of your paycheck back to "Tax Daddy" and then paying 25% sales tax. But then again, health care is practically free (as in beer), as is libraries (and you can loan music cds and copy them legally for your own use!) and education. Hell, I get 5000 kroner ($/€650) net each month from the government for studying. Part of it (40%) has to be paid back later, but still...

    How is it different from other places you have been?
    It's smaller than most other cities...and the weather isn't something to be cheerful about.
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    Sydney (none / 0) (#421)
    by blisspix on Fri Aug 02, 2002 at 08:52:43 PM EST

    Where do you live? - An inner-west suburb of Sydney, Australia

    Why do you live there? - I lived in Perth, Western Australia but moved here in 1999 to be  with my fiancee. I got tired of long-distance.

    What cultural opportunities do you have? - Anything I want. Bands, avant-garde theatre, Opera, etc. Things improved after the 2000 Olympics, it seems like there's always lots of things to choose from. Art galleries are so-so.

    What recreational opportunities do you have? - Australia predominantly plays summer sports, which I don't like. I used to be a competitive ice skater, the rink I go to now is the training ground for most of Australia's Olympic representatives in the sport. Snow is too far away (8 hours).

    What do you like about it? - Food. I eat a lot of Thai and Malaysian food. There's a lot of different places to go, there's eat streets everywhere. Public transport is ok.

    What do you hate about it? The people are very rude. Urban gangs are trying to turn parts of Sydney into LA, whole areas are now off-limits unless you are part of certain gangs. Growing crime. Greed. I can't afford to buy a house here. Medical system is failing.

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad) It's a very ambitious city, it wants to be like New York or London.

    Would you recommend it, and why? No, too crowded, expensive, and rude.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know? Do you have a lot of money?

    How is it different from other places you have been? Perth was so laid back and casual, cheap, sunny, Sydney is the opposite.

    I wouldn't live here if I didn't have to, but I can't go back to Perth, it's too small. Where else can I go?


    Map of kuro5hin users? (4.00 / 2) (#422)
    by Chuq on Fri Aug 02, 2002 at 08:53:28 PM EST

    Does someone have an easy way of plotting all these locations on a world map?

    San Francisco, CA (4.00 / 1) (#423)
    by mahlen on Fri Aug 02, 2002 at 09:08:50 PM EST

    Where do you live?

    San Francisco, California, USA

    Why do you live there?

    It's where my house is! Oh, well, because it's a remarkably diverse place, with lots of nerdy people and programming jobs for when i need to work and lots of other kinds of people for when I'm not at work. It's never very hot (90 degrees F. would make headlines), and it never gets that cold (so would 30). People largely tolerate all manner of unusual behavior here that seems to get people angry in many other places. The fog here on the west side of the city generates a stillness and soft light that is truly heart-rending at times.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?

    When i was into the rave scene, there were lots of them (both legal and not). If you want to see Hong Kong action flicks or Indian tear-jerkers or indecipherable Tarkovsky films, we got them playing in town. Independent music and arts scene, sure, we got that (though the spike in housing prices wasn't kind to artists here). Fond of wealthy socialites and .com multi-millionaires? The intellectual ones hang out here (OK, so does Danielle Steele). Museums, boatloads of shopping of every stripe, a decent zoo, a couple world-class universities (UC Berkeley and Stanford), cafes, lots of cafes, and some amazingly good restaurants; it's a city, you know the drill.

    And if you're gay/lesbian/bisexual/transsexual or something in-between or just like people who are, San Francisco is fairly close to heaven. Well, a heaven where everyone goes to the gym a lot.

    What recreational opportunities do you have?

    There's quite a few large parks here in the city, plus gorgeous Marin County to the north (where mountain biking was invented) has hiking and cycling nearly year-round. An hour north is Napa and Sonoma, where you can go wine-tasting and get a wicked massage. A four hour drive and you're in the mountains, with your skiing and all those snow-related sports i know nothing about. And from where I live, I can walk to the Pacific Ocean.

    What do you like about it?

    The rest of this post makes what I love about the city pretty obvious, I suspect, so I won't belabor it.

    What do you hate about it?

    Housing prices are jaw-droppingly large. Not only does this make my mortgage payment gigantic, but it's chasing out anyone whose profession isn't insanely lucrative (musicians, artists, social workers, teachers, firemen). It's eating away at the diversity that makes this place so enjoyable. Parking is pretty bad, but that just makes me mad that I'm driving a car. Commute traffic to Silicon Valley to the south is awful; so i'm trying really hard to not have to work there.

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

    Hard to say, since I've never lived outside the area, but I imagine:

    • There are a lot of nice views.
    • Gay couples openly kissing.
    • The mild weather. Summer is chilly, like you need a sweater chilly.
    • Old cars last longer here, since we don't salt the roads (no ice or snow in the winter).
    • Ethnic diversity.
    • Fairly cohesive neighborhoods, nice for walking around.

    Would you recommend it, and why?

    I once saw someone wearing a leather jacket, on the back of which was a large illustration of the blue ball of Earth. On the top it said, "Save San Francisco", and underneath it said "Sell the Rest". While extreme, that's pretty close to how I feel. If you can handle the housing prices and like city life, ya, it's pretty good.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

    Consider not driving much. Car ownership can be a liability here. Ride a bike.

    How is it different from other places you have been?

    I've only lived in Berkeley, CA (across the bay) and Orinda, CA (across the bay and over the hills). The main difference is that San Francisco is taller and colder.



    Coeur d'Alene, Idaho (none / 0) (#427)
    by klash on Fri Aug 02, 2002 at 10:54:20 PM EST

    Where do you live?

    Home base is Coeur d'Alene, ID, and though I haven't lived there full-time in two years, my other places of residence have already been described by other kuro5hiners.

    Why do you live there?

    My dad moved there for a church job, which is kind of ironic considering that the job market is one of the worst things about CdA (Coeur d'Alene).

    What cultural opportunities do you have?

    Coeur d'Alene has a small-town symphony and a community theatre. There are a few bands and jazz ensembles that play in restaurants and a few small venues that host travelling musicians.

    Spokane, WA is ~45 minutes away. It has a bigger symphony, an opera house, and Gonzaga University.

    The Gorge Ampitheatre is an amazing (and huge, seating 20,000) venue that gets any major tour that hits the west coast. It is about three hours from CdA, but it seems like longer since it's the most boring drive in the world.

    What recreational opportunities do you have?

    There are lakes all over the place that are great for swimming, boating, skiing, jet-skiing, etc. There are great hikes everywhere. There are at least 3 major ski resorts with 2000 foot verticals within two hours. Spokane every year has Bloomsday, a 12km run/walk/baby-stroller "race" of 50,000 participants. Spokane also holds Hoopfest, a half-court 3-on-3 basketball tournament on the streets of downtown.

    What do you like about it?

    The landscape and the lake are beautiful, traffic is basically non-existent, recreational activities are plentiful. Basically no crime.

    What do you hate about it?

    Too conservative, too small to have a decent library or decent stores, too touristy (most of the shops downtown are of no interest to anyone but the rich tourists who say at the expensive resort on the lake). The job market sucks, wages suck.

    Would you recommend it, and why?

    If you're the big-city type, you will be bored and underwhelmed. If you like small/mid-sized cities and especially if your a nature-lover, you will love Coeur d'Alene.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

    Tons of Californians are migrating to Coeur d'Alene, and the old-timers hate it. Change your license plate ASAP and tell everyone you came from Montana.

    People in Coeur d'Alene may be conservative, but they're absolutely not racist. The Aryan Nations, despite all the press they get, have basically zero presence in Coeur d'Alene. They were a bunch of kooks (around 10, actually) who lived in a compound out north of town , and no one ever sees them or cares about them. The only time we ever saw them was when they came out for their annual march, which was without exception a ridiculous display. Protestors outnumbered marchers AT LEAST 20 to 1.

    Regardless of CdA's non-racism, we have the image of being extremist skinheads, and there is basically no diversity. My high school of 1300 had maybe 1 or 2 black kids, and a few more asians, but we were, on the whole, lily-white.

    Lockport IL, USA (none / 0) (#428)
    by Deltastorm on Fri Aug 02, 2002 at 11:39:32 PM EST

    Where do you live?
    Lockport IL, USA. 35 miles south of Chicago, just north of Joliet (From the Blues Brothers).

    Why do you live there?
    I was born in Joliet, but moved here while in grade school. I actually won't be here much longer, as I will be attending College in Chicago.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?
    Lockport itself doesn't have much culture. There are a few upscale restaurants, but most of the entertainment lies elsewhere. Joliet has Riverboats for gambling, and there's quite a few night clubs in the area. For other cultural needs it's usually in Chicago.

    What recreational opportunities do you have?
    Mostly the same answer as above. Other than a few parks there isn't much in the town, but everything you could want is fairly nearby.

    What do you like about it?
    It's not my ideal place to live, but it's a good compromise for me. It's not the middle of nowhere, yet it's peaceful.

    What do you hate about it?
    It's urban sprawl. It hasn't hit here as bad as Joliet, but the entire area is quickly being filled with cookie-cutter houses filled with soccer-moms.

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
    Traffic can be a bit troublesome at times, but it's pretty much a decent area, if you can put up with the soccer-moms.

    Would you recommend it, and why?
    I'll give it 2.5 out of 4 stars. If you prefer rural life, live further south. If you like the city, live in Chicago. It's an average town, but there's no reason to really want to live here.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
    How to deal with bad drivers. The whole are is full of overly aggressive SUV/Mini-van drivers. They seem to think my gray sedan is just part of the road.
    Also for driving, get used to driving in the snow, we can get quite a bit.

    How is it different from other places you have been?
    Nothing makes Lockport stand out, but I do like being close to Chicago.

    "I'll goatse OS X and gui an emacs in soviet russia." --rusty

    suburbia (none / 0) (#430)
    by auraslip on Sat Aug 03, 2002 at 12:49:46 AM EST

    I live in suburbia.
    There is no culture.
    There is no reason for the city to exist.
    Except for money.
    Money built this town, and as such every store, shop, resturanuant, bar, and theater is built for the sole purpose of pulling in money. Not for being a livelyhood. Not for making people happy.
    Becuase it's all for money this town will never be the exciting or intresting place to go visit, the town to raise your family (no culture except drugs, alchol, and football remeber?), or anywhere that anyone who has so much of a hint of coolness would want to live.
    And no one cares.
    And guess what, This is the american dream.

    (I live in a dallas suburb. Dallas isn't that bad if you live NEAR dallas; deep ellum, the inwood, and various other places that are spread through out the sprawl)
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    University Towns (none / 0) (#434)
    by hershmire on Sat Aug 03, 2002 at 08:22:06 AM EST

    Does a large university population = instant culture?

    No! I currently attend school at UM College Park, Maryland, where the student population is approximately 40 000. The population of the town's permanent residents was approximately 25 000 in 2000.

    With the student population almost double the town, an interesting problem develops: the University becomes the centre. There is currently no downtown, few museums or theatres, if any, and a gigantic Walmart. Sounds like your town in Georgia with a University instead of your AF Base.

    From my experience, University Population != Instant Culture (for larger values of University Population)
    FIXME: Insert quote about procrastination
    downtown (none / 0) (#441)
    by matt4077 on Sat Aug 03, 2002 at 04:53:06 PM EST

    I lived a year in Joliet, IL, an what I miss the most in american cities (and did only find in chicago, ny and maybe boston) are likeable donwtown areas with cafes on the sidewalks, musicians, theaters and small shops.

    Albany, NY USA -- State Capital (none / 0) (#442)
    by HidingMyName on Sat Aug 03, 2002 at 07:11:23 PM EST

    • Where do you live? Albany, NY USA (Captal district)
    • Why do you live there?
      My job (I'm faculty at one of the schools there). My wife also has a job here.
    • What cultural opportunities do you have?
      Being a state capital it has a number of concerts and events. We have Saratoga about 45 minutes away, which is pretty artsy (I don't go in much for the track/horse racing myself, but a lot of foks do). The Saratoga Performing Arts Center (SPAC) is pretty nice (sort of like the Mann Music center in Philadelphia) with a large park around it and seats. They encourage upscale picnics at some events.

      Almost all kinds of food are available. In particular, Italian food can be good around here (I can't vouch for authenticity, I'm not Italian nor have I been to Italy). We have some acceptable chinese food (Cantonese at the Ocean Palace), but most chinese reataurants around here are mediocre. Albany has a great Indonesian restaurant (Yono's), and some generally fine dining. There are a few brew pubs, and fine dining in Saratoga and Troy (although Troy is run down). There is a large Puerto Rican/Dominican and Jamaican population so carribean food is readily available. Mexican food is a bit hard to come by (most is pretty Americanized). I like Thai, Indian, and Vietnamese food, but around here the restaurants are average (they would not last in a larger city). I have yet to visit the Chariot, but I haven't been to a good Greek restaurant in the area. Troy (east of Albany, across the Hudson) has many very good restaurants (even if the city is run down)

    • What recreational opportunities do you have?

      Playing with my daughter (she is 3 years old). I like walking around Saratoga, it is an artsy town (touristy I guess) and has some nice shops. The restaurants and shops in Saratoga are nice to visit once or twice a year. Hoffman's play land is an amusement park for small kids, and it is fun. I like suburban stuff, like malls, so Crossgates (huge mall) and Colonie Center are fine. We've got a nice Borders and Barnes & Noble. I also like coffee. If I want to stroll, shop and eat, Lark Street in Albany is O.K. (not quite as happening as say State Street in Madison Wisconsin, or South street in Philadelphia). The local museums are a bit weak (for the Capital of NY State, I'd expect a nice Art museum, and the Museum of Natural history, while nice is a bit small, you can easily see it all in an afternoon).

    • What do you like about it?

      I've got a job here :-). Seriously, the cost of housing and land around here are reasonable. If you want to live in a city, you can (a nice brownstone), but it is possible to own a farm with a few acres and have a commute of about 30 minutes.

    • What do you hate about it?

      The state government is the largest employer, but it gets into everything and politics around here can be a pain. The state and the current governor (George Pataki) is not supportive of education. Service here can be good, but often is less than what I was used to before moving here (state government mentality hurts the work ethic). Too many middle men, not enough added value. There is a fair amount of rain and some snow/cold weather in the winter (doesn't bother me, but my wife hates it). Fashion, music and culture tends to lag 6 months behind the urban areas of the east coast. The state is not business/Tech friendly (they don't get the idea of a Software industry) as is evidenced by the loss of dominance in Computing (IBM is headquartered in NY).

    • What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

      You can live either in the city or in the country side. Having politicians in the area means that we can get most amenities (good restaurants, and other stuff). Albany used to have the most air fares, but now is very competitively priced since the arrival of Southwest air (any where Southwest goes, you can get to for $99). NY and Boston are within 3-4 hours drive, Vermont (great place to visit) and the Berkshires are 1 hour away. The Adirondacks are close as is Saratoga. I peraonally enjoy trips to Canada, Montreal and Niagara Falls are about 4-4 1/2 hours from here.

      Taxes and utilities are expensive. Budgets will be tight over the next few years, (after the election) since the economy tanked, our state didn't particularly benefit from the good economy and with the destruction of the towers, we lost a lot of revenue. Being in the state capital, jobs around here are likely to be protected during that time. However, land is indexpensive and you can get a very nice house up here. Schools are generally good in the better areas (Averill Park, Slingerlands, Voorheesville, Guilderland and Niskayuna) for undergraduate education. RPI is an improving Engineering and Computer Science school. The University at Albany has a world class theoretical department and an expanding applied side in their computer science department.

    • Would you recommend it, and why?

      Good question. Albany itself is liveable, but if you want real big city life, you won't get the range of cultural activities here that a real city can provide. The real big deal is that the state is getting behind MEMS and Nanotechnology in a big way (due to work by Alain Kaleyeros and Jim Castracane at U Albany, and the RPI research centers), and is building a large fabrication and research facility in nearby Malta New York (in conjunction with the Sematech consortium). If you want to do materials science, MEMS or electrical engineering research (fabrication related) there are likely to be real good opportunities here. Currently our software industry up here is nothing to really talk about (our biggest software vendor is Map Info, GE is here but their software is mostly used internally). This may be a good place to be, if we observe how Sematech investment gave a nice shot in the arm to Austin, and Albany is getting similar treatment.

    • If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

      Whether the governor is helping the upstate economy. There is an impression that the Upstate economy subsidizes downstate (NYC). Given the high state tax rate, this may be true. The good neighborhoods up here are affordable, but the bad neighborhoods up here are dangerous (nearly as bad as the worst in NYC). Recently our murder rate exceeded that of NYC.

    • How is it different from other places you have been?

      I grew up in Allentown, PA, and lived for 5 years in Maple Shade, NJ (near Philadelphia). Allentown is similar in size but it has changed from a predominantly white (Penn Dutch and Eastern European) industrial area (Behtlehem Steel, Air Products, ALPO, Mack Trucks, Binney and Smith, Bell Labs) to a more diverse community. There are many people in Allentown who commute to Northern NJ (2 Hours), NYC (3 hours) or Philadelphia (1 to 1.5 hours) to work. Culture in Allentown, Bethlehem, Easton area is limited (about like Albany I'd guess, without anything like SPAC). Allentown has an Amusement Park (Dorney Park) which is a popular tourist spot. The Thai and Indian food in Bethlehem was better than Albany when I last checked it.

      South NJ near Philadelphia is a suburban area, with a large Jewish population (great for Bagels and Deli food). The area has some restaurants and many people commute 30-90 minutes into Philadelphia. Philadelphia is about 75% black I'd guess, and many sections are dangerous. However Philladelphia has world class culture. Fairmount park (possibly the world's largest city park), has the world class Art Museum at its Southern End and the beautiful "boat house row" where the universities keep their crew equipment. South Street is a wonderful place to go shopping and dining, and the Franklin institute museum of science and technology.



    Sheffield, UK (none / 0) (#444)
    by melia on Sat Aug 03, 2002 at 09:08:02 PM EST

    Incidentally, this is such a good topic! Where do you live? Up on one of the seven hills of Sheffield! Why do you live there? I go to uni here. What cultural opportunities do you have? there's loads to do! art galleries etc., plenty of gigs, tons of clubs, the city hall has opera's on etc., there's two theatres... there's quite a lot to do. What recreational opportunities do you have? There's two health clubs i know of, the university has a load of astroturf pitches, there's a couple of cinemas, the Meadowhall shopping place... and of course, there's the TV :) What do you like about it? I like the way it's sort of in the country... cos it's next to the Peaks, but at the same time, it's a city... it's just right for my temperament. I hate big cities, but i lived out in the sticks for most of my young life and there were lots of downsides to that. The people are also really freindly. What do you hate about it? It does have a bit of a post-industrial depression air about it, and some of the things, like the museum of pop or whatever it's called, they're a bit try-hard. What qualities really stand out? (good or bad) The peaks, meadowhall, the friendliness, the public transport, the way everything is always up or down a hill - it's like an english san francisco, they even have the same sort of advertising hoardings in the street - those big round things with the posters on... never seen them anywhere except shef and SF :) Would you recommend it, and why? Yes, i'd love to be able to stay here if i finish uni. If you gave me the choice of anywhere in England, it'd be here or a south coast seaside town. If I were to move there, what would I really need to know? Umm... not much. It's all pretty obvious! Mappin Street is the red light district. Don't know if you want to know that though. Might come in useful, eh... How is it different from other places you have been? Obviously it's because i've come to uni here, but it just feels like it's a lot more relaxed and freindly, and i get the feeling that other people feel the same way - everyone seems to think it's a nice place to live.
    Disclaimer: All of the above is probably wrong
    Philipsburg, Montana - USA (3.00 / 1) (#445)
    by hyperstation on Sat Aug 03, 2002 at 10:18:37 PM EST

    Where do you live?

    although i've lived in some of the places mentioned by other posts, and i was originally born in charleston, wv - i currently live in Philipsburg, MT (75 miles south of missoula). population: ~900

    Why do you live there?

    i was hired as a network nerd and developer at a nonprofit located here. so i packed it up and moved out, 1 year ago.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?

    well, there's the pburg opera house, and a museum. however, as you can imagine this is a pretty white bread town. if you want culture, you can find it in missoula, which is where everyone goes to have fun around here...

    What recreational opportunities do you have?

    being montana, there's a lot of outdorsy things to do around here. at work (on a ranch, 25 miles out of town) we have horses, a lake, climbing, hiking, fishing, you name it. around town here, you can do much of the same. there's a lot to do outside here in montana :)

    What do you like about it?

    i love the beauty of this place. this is one of the most incredibly beautiful places i've ever seen. from the sunrise to the sunset over the mountains, every day is spectacular in that sense. i love the open roads, the fact that i pass more cows than cars on the way to work, the barely enforced speed limits out on the empty highways. all of that is really nice.

    What do you hate about it?

    it's a small town. i grew up in a small town, and you can imagine how everyone knows everyone, and news travels faster than light around here, especially news of the gossip sort. it's a love/hate thing, but i'd rather be more anonymous, i think. sometimes being so isolated gets to me, too.

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

    the natural aspect, as i've noted above stands out in the good category, as do the fact that most people are genuinely friendly and helpful around here. it's a small place, and anyone new is immediately noticed, be that good or bad. it could be both, i guess!

    Would you recommend it, and why?

    it's a good experience. i won't live here forever, maybe another 9 months. however, the good and bad i've taken in, and am all the better for having been here. yes, come here if you never have been, to just see this extraordinary place if for nothing else

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

    * your california license plates will not be appreciated, so reregister!

    * really try not to hit cows with your car. they're free range. the fine is the cost of the cow (could be $800!)

    * no open container law, don't feel shy about walking down the street with a beer.

    How is it different from other places you have been?

    it's the same as where i grew up, except for the cattle. it's different, cuz it's a different town, state, coast. but still the same, in an eerie parallel universe way.



    Kyrgyzstan (4.66 / 3) (#449)
    by Meatbomb on Sun Aug 04, 2002 at 05:27:44 AM EST

    Where do you live?
    In Bishkek (formerly Frunze), the capital of Kyrgyzstan (formerly Kirghiz SSR), which is a newly independent Central Asian state (formerly USSR). Population said to be 800,000, but you wouldn't guess it walking around the city center. The place has the feel of a large town rather than a small city.

    Why do you live there?
    Had an interesting job offer, and as I had never heard of the place before I was offerred the job, I thought I had better go check it out. I train English teachers and help run a school opened by the Open Society Institute.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?
    As the capital, it is all here. As the capital of a small, poor, remote place, it is all pretty limited and low-budget. It's a multicultural place, but the mix is not like the typical cosmopolitan centers of the world. We've got Kyrgyz, Russians, Uighurs, Dungans, Koreans, Uzbeks, Tajiks, and a small mix of westerners and outcasts and offcasts from the whole planet. Since the war on terror came to town, you'll see the occasional close-cropped American, but Allah Akbar they seem to be mainly confined to the airbase 30km outside the city.

    What recreational opportunities do you have?
    Minimal and shoddy. Anyone for off-key Russian Karaoke?
    I'm a city person, but they tell me there is all kinds of stuff to do up in the mountains if you're the outdoorsy type. Hunting, hiking, etc, but no infrastructure so skiing, mountainbiking, anything requiring capital is out.

    What do you like about it?
    The women are fantastic. It would take a long time to explain, and this might not be the right audience, so I'll just leave it at that...
    Marijuana grows wild in the commons outside my apartment block.
    Tasty lamb skewered on sticks and cooked over an open fire. Alternate chunks are pure, juicy fat - YUM!
    (connected to above) Despite reglar intake of fat-laden meat, there are no grossly fat people here, like you see all over the place in North America. So it either proves the theory that physical activity and not owning a car keeps people in shape, or means that "glandular problems" are some strange genetic aberration that only occurs in North America.
    The cost of living is low low. I just bought a 3br apartment in the center for $9,000, dinner for 4 at a nice restaurant is maybe $10 total.
    I share the opinion of an earlier poster from Finland. It is so nice not to live in the PC and over-regulated hell that is Canada.
    (connected to above) You can smoke anywhere, including directly under "no-smoking" signs in the lobby of the main hospital, for example.

    What do you not really completely like about it?
    Everything is broken. Infrastructure is from Soviet 1970's and most things haven't been painted/repaired/maintained since. I hate to think what this place will be like in 10 or 20 years with no electricity, no water, no sewers. How will this poor little country replace all this stuff?
    There is no history here, no past (aside from the rusting ruins of the Soviet Union, see above). These people were nomads before the Russians came, so unlike in Uzbekistan you won't see ancient mosques and other picturesque old stuff.
    Despite the wild marijuana, the only available ganja is poor quality brown flaky hashish. Coming as I do from Vancouver, this sucks big time.
    Corruption is endemic. I can't get a digital phone line unless I blow the director of the monopoly gov't telco. The flip side is that as long as you pay the right people, anything goes.
    Garbage everywhere. Having been in Poland and Russia, this seems to be a post-socialist thing. No pride? Just not used to having packaging? No environmental awareness? No collection infrastructure? I guess it's a combination of all of the above.

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
    Look the place up on a map. Right out in the middle of nowhere, eh? Yes, that's what it seems like from here, too.
    Did I mention the beautiful women? Sorry to harp on it, but this really is heaven for a western man.

    Would you recommend it, and why?
    It's not for everyone, read the above and be your own judge... If you enjoy Kafka or Dali, it might be worth a visit.


    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
    Learn either Russian or Kyrgyz, English will get you nowhere fast.
    Even if you learn either Russian or Kyrgyz, your clothes, body language, facial expressions and aura will mark you as a westerner. Be prepared to get hosed in taxis, at markets, anywhere the prices aren't posted.
    People are friendly everywhere in the world. They are friendly here, no surprise.
    If you don't drink, you will often be terrorised by the hospitality of drunken hosts trying to force vodka down your throat in massive quantities.
    There is NO food here for vegetarians. These people consider cows and sheep food, salad is for horses.
    If someone offers you "kumiz" or "shorpo", politley decline. The first is fermented horse milk (tastes as good as it sounds), the second some sort of strange fermented wheat drink that tastes like shreddies dissolved in carbonated vinegar.

    How is it different from other places you have been?
    Western Europe is more liberal. People here are conservative but at least mind their own business.
    The Kyrgyz are "Muslims" in the same sense that most Europeans are "Christian". As nomads and late converts to Mohammed, and later living for 70 years under communism, this place has about as lite a brand of the Muslim faith as you'll find anywhere on earth. They toast ramadan with shots of vodka. Most of them have never been in a mosque in their lives.
    Poland is 99.99% Polish Roman Catholics. This place is multicultural and as tolerant as anywhere else I've been.
    In Canada, you can't drink beer on the street, and they will send a SWAT team to your house if your cigarette smoke bothers the neighbours. People there are rules and regulations oriented, as the Socialist State has conditioned them to be. If you do a reno on your house, an anonymous neighbour will phone the city inspectors on you to check you have a building permit. Here people mind their own business and do their own thing. Lying and cheating the government is the only way to get things done, so that's what everybody does. In this sense, the former communist world is a freer place than the West today. The state is still arbitrary and vindictive, but lack of resources and massive corruption make it for the most part impotent - fine by me!


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    Melbourne, AU (4.50 / 2) (#450)
    by daniels on Sun Aug 04, 2002 at 08:00:15 AM EST

    Where do you live?
    I live in Melbourne, Australia, in the most extreme south-east corner of the Australian mainland. Melbourne itself is just about smack-bang in the middle of Victoria.

    Why do you live there?
    I originally lived in Bendigo, a town of 60,000 two hours north-west of here, but soon got rather bored with it. I mean, nice place and all, but when you're 12, you rapidly run out of stuff to do. Hence, I packed up and moved up with Dad to Melbourne, a move I haven't really regretted. Melbourne just kicks arse, because I'm never short of things to do. It also has some excellent restaurants (see below), and bars. A friend of mine has 38 pubs within a 1km radius of him; he's smack-bang in the middle of what was traditionally a working-class area.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?
    Food! If you live in Melbourne and don't spend your life eating out, you either a) can't afford it, or b) are a damned fool. I can heartily recommend Blue Train Cafe in Southbank (good, and rather cheap too), or either the Hideout or the Veggie Bar on Brunswick St, or Caffe Notturno on Lygon St. Brunswick St and Lygon St are fantastic places - Brunswick St is for your "modern Australian" (i.e. hybrid) food, and also really mad funky clothes, and Lygon St is the Italian corner. "Overdressed wankers on mobile phones" (yes, yuppies, that's you), should go to Chapel St, South Yarra. Greville St, Prahran is also great.

    One of the other reasons is that Mum raised me as a fanatical, dyed-in-the-wool AFL supporter (I follow the Geelong Cats). Despite the fact that Geelong itself is an hour SW of the CBD, and I'm about 30min SE, and I have to go through the CBD to get there, AFL was still a big reason for moving here, because most of the games (read: 85%) are played in Melbourne. I take trips to Geelong to watch it when need be - leaving for one in 5min, as a matter of fact.

    So: food, drink, AFL. Oh, and other general stuff to arse around.

    What recreational opportunities do you have?
    The major one I partake of is AFL. There's also a great deal of good pubs and bars (as with most cities); one of my more major recreational opportunities is par-tays. But that's not specific to Melbourne. :)

    What do you like about it?
    It's relatively big - 3.5mil people, and BIG - piss-tiny population density. The term "urban sprawl" was coined for Melbourne. You could drive for about 2-2.5 hours from either NW->SE, or W->E, and you'd be within Melbourne the whole time. Oh, and that's assuming you don't hit any traffic.

    Not that you shouldn't be using public transport. I pay $300/yr for a ticket that gets me whereever I want to go in Melbourne because I'm a high school student; that quadruples to ~$1200 later (oh well). Some of the trains are made in the 70's, and thus very old, dirty and generally shithouse. However, they're rapidly improving, and half the cars I've been in are just as bad. They were hella unreliable for a while (for a 2-month period, literally 2 out of every 3 inbound trains would change destination - invert whether they went through the underground loop or not), but are rapidly improving since privatization. Ticket inspectors are sometimes nice, sometimes pricks; I just see how they are and emulate them - if they're nice, I'm nice; if they're pricks, I'm a prick.

    Also, the people in general are just really, really friendly. I very very very rarely have a bad experience with someone here - they're just fantastic people in general.

    What do you hate about it?
    Public transport. It just doesn't interconnect! Oh, and sometimes the inspectors are tools.

    It's so spread out - getting to a friend's house on the other side of the city can be a PITA.

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
    "Cosmopolitan". I know it sounds like a wank, but it is. Not only that, but it just has a fantastic character - go into some of the arcades between Flinders Lane and Bourke St some day; some of it's just beautiful. Also, as I said before, the people are just really genuinely friendly, too.

    Would you recommend it, and why?
    Yes, I love it, for all the reasons mentioned above.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
    If you really need to have a piss, avoid the men's toilets near the Elizabeth St entrance/exit of Flinders St station. Spencer St station isn't much better, but at least they've renovated them, and the lights are white, rather than blue. The toilets on level 3 of Melbourne Central are rather good; avoid the Melbourne Central station toilets tho; walk about 50m through to the ones on the lower floor of MC proper.

    How is it different from other places you have been?
    I can't really say, having only been as far as Queensland. But it's a lot less trashy and shitty than Surfer's Paradise, the people are more nice and genuine than Coolangatta, and I don't really know Sydney well enough (I was only there for a week with school) to comment on that. But yeah.
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    Bombay (3.00 / 1) (#458)
    by bayankaran on Sun Aug 04, 2002 at 12:20:29 PM EST

    I can talk about Chicago, San Francisco and a bit of Singapore too...but Bombay is special.

    I lived in Bombay(Mumbai) between 1997-1999.


    What cultural opportunities do you have?
    Open your eyes and ears and it is culture everywhere.


    What recreational opportunities do you have?
    Whatever you want. Other than the usual concerts of Hindustani/Carnatic music and dance shows, here are some not-so-usual pasttimes.

    Getting really drunk and watching a song and dance Hindi movie can be a nice pastime. And about drinking...there is a local hooch called Desi Daru which you get in Desi Daroochi Dookan (Marathi for local hooch store), costs only one US dollar or one Euro for a full bottle...potent stuff, use in moderation. Drink with boiled Anda(egg).

    Kamathipura is probably the worlds largest whorehouse.


    What do you like about it?
    Everything is in excess...people, colors, sounds. The climate is not so bad. Try a peak time train ride.

    Food is cheap. There is a saying: no-one goes without dinner in Bombay.

    I used to get by reasonably well with Rs.1500 per month (about Euros/Dollar 30). The city is generally safe. But you have to be careful of pickpockets. There is no mugging/killing as in big American cities. Bombay underworld is strong and they generally kill each other or by Police.

    Bombay women are wonderful. Men are generally assholes.


    What do you hate about it?
    I really dont hate anything about it. The only few days I hated were the Diwali (Festival of Lights, but more Festival of Crackers) days. The best Diwali I had was the day I came back from Goa with 3 bottles of Old Monk Rum.


    Would you recommend it, and why?
    It would be an exhilarating and humbling experience to live in Bombay. The city will throw you excesses every day. You will probably become a better human being.


    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
    Nothing...the city will absorb you. Go with an open mind.


    How is it different from other places you have been?
    I think it was Jerry Garcia who said...the only city worth living other than San Francisco is Bombay. And I think the opposite is true.

    Mouans Sartoux, Alpes Maritimes (France) (4.00 / 2) (#459)
    by dirtydingus on Sun Aug 04, 2002 at 12:47:29 PM EST

    Where do you live?
    Mouans Sartoux, about 10km inland of Cannes.

    Why do you live there?
    Well I got a job in Sophia Antipolis (see the other posts about the Côte d'Azur for more info), the so-called Silicon Valley of the France.
    Mouans Sartoux is a little village close by that happens to be well run and not completely full of tourists and Parisians. Mouans Sartoux seems to be better run and organized than its neighbours and is close to everything useful.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?
    Mouans Sartoux isn't exaclty brimming with cultural activities but we do have a Cinema showing films mostly dubbed into French and a sculpture museum in the château. The various villages about have provencal fairs and shops for the tourists and Cannes has some sort of minor film event once a year :)
    Further afield is Monaco which thinks it is cultured and refined but is mostly tacky. However between Cannes, Monaco and various shows put on in Nice you get reasonable culture. Personally I've not done much of it so I can't comment on whether you get value for money.
    During the summer epsecially, the coast has plenty of throbbing nightlife, some (e.g. the Jazz festivals) I like, others (e.g. the mindless discos) are not ...
    Seeing as the region has been inhabited by various civilizations from the greeks onwards, if you are into old buildings, ruins and the like then you can keep yourself amused for hours.
    If desperate for real theatre etc. then Easyjet will fly you to Paris or London for real culcha for the price of a meal.

    What recreational opportunities do you have?
    We have a not terribly wholesome sea called the mediterranean lapping the coastline. For some reason about 5 gazillion people show up every summer to burn themselves to a crisp next to it and/or sailing/swimming/jetskiing etc on it.
    Skiing is a couple of hours away in winter and if you can tear yourself away from the shoreline (where the 'scenery' is often spectacular) then there is hiking and various related mountain pursuits
    Grasse is/was the centre of the perfume industry and you can spend an hour or two learning how perfums, soaps and so on are made.
    There are wineries not far away who produce entirely drinkable wines and who let you taste for free.
    The food is generally good and not overpriced, but as with so much else around here, this is only true if you are not in the touristy bits. Prices on the coast are perhaps twice what they are inland with worse service thrown in.

    What do you like about it?
    The Côte d'Azur has enough seasonal variety that you get differences in weather, we get frost inthe winter and 30°c in the summer but it doesn't have the extremes that inland places get and it rarely rains for weeks on end (300 days of sunshine a year is the claim).
    It is also strikingly beautiful. I used to actually enjoy my 10km commute to work in the morning as the landscape with its woods and olve terraces and so on is just magnificent. If you want stuning scenery and big cliffs then Gourdon with a drop of anywhere from 500m to 1000m (depends what you measure) is readily visible.
    I find the inhabitants to be friendly (but I can mangle french) and welcoming as long as you aren't arrogant or stupid.
    I love the french approach to life where the pleasures of the table take precedence over anything as boring as office work and where the quality of vegetables at the local market can be an hourlong conversation - probably lubricated with beer or coffee.
    Oh and the restaurants, the food and so on are generally excellent quality and us locals soon spread the word about the hidden gems.

    What do you hate about it?
    The coastline during July and August. I don't go the coast side of the Autoroute durign these months because its full of tourists and cars and theres nothing worth seeing anyway except the beach views.
    The French bureaucracy is mindblowingly petty and pointless. I've seen people complaining about the Germans but compared to the French bureaucracy the Germans are mere amateurs.
    The taxes mostly spent on the above bureaucracy
    The policies of the government - especially the quaint delusion that throwing state money at soemthing is going to engender a load of successful startups
    The racism of many French people
    The inability to get good asian foods (Thai, Indian, Chinese, Vietnamese, Japanese) at an affordable price, if at all. You can't get the ingredients to make them your self and the affordable restaurants are generally low quality. The only decent Japanese restaurant is the Fuji in Cannes and I can't afford their prices too often.

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
    Its a magnificent place - breathtaking views and great weather. The locals are nice when they aren't sick of tourists. Unfortunately everybody want to come and visit right NOW.

    Would you recommend it, and why?
    Hell yes. There is a zest for life here that is missing everywhere else. But don't ever, ever set up a company in France and don't expect things to be like other countries. It isn't and it probably won't change.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
    The local roads are deadly. Do not have a new car it'll only get scratched. Do not assume people will be polite behind a steering wheel. Assume they are going to do something totally idiotic.
    The local taxes vary by commune some are much cheaper than others
    Before you buy a house look very carefully at its location and construction. There are an amazing number of badly built and inconveneintly situated houses.

    How is it different from other places you have been?
    Its France. Attitudes are way different. Despite what you might think, in some ways attitudes are more like Japan than the USA or Northern Europe. I've lived in Silicon Valley, Tokyo, Helsinki and England. It has the weather of California without the traffic, cosmopolitan atmosphere without being a big city and people have a disregard for irritating regulations that would be unheard of in Helsinki where they only cross the road when the light says its safe, even at 2am when there isn't a car in sight.

    DD
    People can be put into 10 groups: Those that understand binary and those that don't.
    Answers for your convenience (4.00 / 1) (#463)
    by Hiram on Sun Aug 04, 2002 at 02:29:34 PM EST

    Where do you live? In Utrecht, a city at 45 km from Amsterdam, Netherlands, 400.000 inhabitants, main economic activities are services, retail, and everything having to do with the university. Why do you live there? I bought a house here a few years before I graduated. Would prefer the house to be in Italy, or Amsterdam. What cultural opportunities do you have? In Utrecht itself, there's some music, theater, exhibitions, festivals. Amsterdam is a 30 minute drive, and everything you can think of can be found there. What recreational opportunities do you have? Everything from parks to forests to lakes. What do you like about it? Most of my friends live here. And Amsterdam, as I said, is not far from here. What do you hate about it? It's not Italy. It's not Amsterdam. It's a provincial city, and the original inhabitants (not the students, who come from everywhere) are stubborn and somewhat dull-witted. And I hate the traffic situation (see below). What qualities really stand out? (good or bad) It's a relatively safe city with little crime, and a generally relaxed atmosphere. What's very bad about it is that recent city administrators destroyed the old city infrastructure, built a high speed bus track that cuts through the center, and made it practically impossible to get anywhere by car, or if you do get there it will take you twice as long, as one way streets and a zillion traffic lights slow you down systematically. I am positive that the engineer responsible for the traffic flow either does not drive or does not live in this city. Would you recommend it, and why? For people who want to experience Dutch city life but stay away from all the tourists (that flood Amsterdam), Utrecht might be a good place to visit. If I were to move there, what would I really need to know? You wouldn't need to know any Dutch, as everybody here can speak English (but no, it is not our native tongue, as some people seem to think). You would, on the other hand, need to know someone who can help you find a place to stay. That's very hard in this city (much like in Amsterdam). However, if you insist on moving here, maybe I'll let you rent my house, and I'll move to Amsterdam instead. How is it different from other places you have been? I lived in Italy on and off for two years, and Italy is better in every respect: the architecture, the food, the little bars where you can have a cappuccino and a croissant in the morning (no such luck here), the way the women dress (and walk and look at you), the way the people in shops treat customers, the pace of life, the weather... everything, except that the Italians have a different, more shallow idea of friendships than the Dutch.

    Saint John, NB, Canada (3.00 / 1) (#466)
    by MSBob on Sun Aug 04, 2002 at 03:30:57 PM EST

    Where do you live?

    Saint John, New Brunswick. The very east coast of Canada in what probably has to be the poorest province of Canada barring the far north. Even Nefoundland economy seems to be more bouyant than NB.

    Why do you live there?

    I work here. Can't really say that this place has any qualities that would actually compell one to choose Saint John as their abode. Most people who aren't born and bread locals (such as myslef) came here following "friendly" advice from a recruitment agent.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?

    Not a hell of a lot. It's a blue collar town. Them culturals don't stick around here. The last gallery in this city closed around a year ago. Hell, this place isn't affluent enough to have a single coffee shop (unless you count Tim Hortons as a coffe shop that is).

    What recreational opportunities do you have?

    Lot's of outdoors. But it's not unique to Saint John. You get that everywhere in Canada. Don't come here for any spectacular outdoors.

    What do you like about it?

    You can own a house here without selling your spouse's lungs. Real Estate here is cheap. Mind you a lot of it is in a dire need of repair but it's cheap nonetheless.

    What do you hate about it?

    The looks of it. It looks like a horribly run down place that would make many third world cities look good in comparison. I hate all the Irving enterprises too. We have the Irving refinery, which produces a lot of smog in the East and the Irving pulp mill in the West. There is no Irving free zone within the city limits. All the well to do locals have long moved to Rothesay or Quispamsis. And the trend seems to continue thus accelerating the rundown process.

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

    Poverty and dirt and low prices.

    Would you recommend it, and why?

    Hell no! It's the ugliest city in Canada, fondly referred to by the locals as the "armpit of the Maritimes". So, draw your own conclusions. There is hardly any jobs here either.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

    Who the Irvings are.

    How is it different from other places you have been?

    Well, I used to live in the UK and was brought up in Poland. The UK has nicer cities than Canada and more "cultural" stuff to do. Poland fares well on the culture side and is a more dynamic country than the UK but it's still behind most of the EU (although I'd choose for quality of life before any Meditterrenean country in the EU).

    As soon as I can find another job anywhere else in Canada I'll be gone in a snap.

    I don't mind paying taxes, they buy me civilization.

    Suggestions for a Potential Site (none / 0) (#470)
    by jsand on Sun Aug 04, 2002 at 05:27:38 PM EST

    I know that I've found the comments for this story to be extremely informative, and would like to see some place where this type of feedback would be easily availeble. What makes the difference, as another poster mentioned earlier, is seeing a place from multiple perspectives - not just from that of a tourist guide. I don't know of any other site with a global focus that currently does this - everything I've seen is limited to a particular geographical area. I'm willing to dedicate the time and effort to put together a site and accompanying script to help store this information and encourage even more participation. So, in order for a site to be useful to you, what sorts of information would you want? At its most basic level, I envision a database of individual posts that would be searchable and sortable by any field (along with a basic ratings system). Are the categories that people have been using most often in this thread, along with the flexibility to add a couple more dynamic ones for each post, enough? Please, post here anything in particular you'd like to see.

    I'll try to get something tangible together by Tuesday, to see if there is any real interest.



    Wilton Manors, FL (near Ft. Lauderdale) (3.00 / 1) (#473)
    by mike3k on Sun Aug 04, 2002 at 08:23:58 PM EST

    Where do you live?

    Wilton Manors, FL. An "Island City" in central Ft. Lauderdale surrounded by rivers & canals.

    Why do you live there?

    I love it here. I bought a condo earlier this year & for the first time in my life I own my home instead of renting.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?

    We're surrounded by Ft. Lauderdale, with several performing arts centers & live theater, as well as within driving distance of Miami.

    What recreational opportunities do you have?

    We're only a few miles from the beach, plus the city has several public parks & we're surrounded by canals & rivers with boating docks & recreational areas. There are also lots of dance clubs (some even within walking distance of my home). I love Georgie's Alibi, a great all-purpose hangout.

    What do you like about it?

    Wilton Manors is probably the most gay-friendly town in the US & we have the largest number of gay couples anywhere in the US (even more than West Hollywood). Although it's a separate city, we're surrounded by Ft. Lauderdale and have all of the advantages of living in a major metropolitan area with the friendliness of a small town.

    What do you hate about it?

    We're right next to Oakland Park ;-) Actually some of the surrounding areas are pretty seedy.

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

    The small-town friendliness & acceptance of gays. This is one of the few places where gay couples can hold hands or even kiss in public.

    Would you recommend it, and why?

    If you're gay, a definite yes. If you're straight & open-minded and want a nice friendly small town with all of the advantages of a major city, you'll probably love it. Home prices are rising fast, but you can still find some bargains. Units similar to mine are now selling for about $15,000 more than I paid almost 6 months ago.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

    Find a good realtor & shop around. There are some rentals, but mostly homes & condos. Since the city is pretty small and is completely built up, plus this is considered a very upscale area, so prices are pretty high. The downtown area is being renovated, with lots of new restaurants & entertainment facilities, which will increase property values.

    How is it different from other places you have been?

    I grew up in NYC, lived in Sherman Oaks, CA, spent a year in Casper, WY, and lived for a few years in Boca Raton, FL. This is the first place that felt like "home". It's a very diverse community that combines the best aspects of a small town & a large city.

    Greenland (5.00 / 1) (#476)
    by inuit on Sun Aug 04, 2002 at 10:25:00 PM EST

    Actually, I currently live in Aarhus, Denmark, but it is a rather ordinary small european town so I will instead tell you about Greenland, where I was born and lived for fifteen years. My etnic background is inuit, which is the native population of Greenland.

    Firstly, I would like to say that contrary to popular belief, we do not live in igloos. Igloos were never used for permanent residence and you are unlikely to find them on Greenland. We mostly live in pretty average single family european houses with reliable electricity, water, TV (one channel in Nuuk and two american channels if you pay for a decoder), etc.
    I frequently get asked about this so it is time to dispell a myth: polar bears do not walk around in towns, at least not on Greenland.

    I have lived in Nuuk ("Godthaab", the major town in Greenland, pop. 12000) and Qeqqertarsuaq ("Godhavn", pop. 1000). I am somewhat fond of telling about it so the following may be close to a rant.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?

    For western culture, Nuuk is fairly modern and has the following:
    A cinema, library, lots and lots of bars and discotheques (did I mention the severe alcohol problems?), a couple of restaurants and fast food shops, two churches (not counting the minor ones such as Jehovas, methodists, and others), a small stadion, a small museum, and something claimed to be a "university". In size and wisdom, the university of Nuuk may not be quite as prestigious as a typical european university. It is no Oxford but supposedly the Eskimology faculty is decent.

    I was not very old when I lived in Qeqqertarsuaq, but I do recall the following:
    A school library, a small stadion, some sort of science or research station where there were sometimes various events and parties. A fast food shop where you could buy sausages... Well, Qeqqertarsuaq is not the centre of western civilization. While few spoke of Sartre on the streets, Greenland does have its own unique cultural life in the interaction of the people.

    What recreational opportunities do you have?

    There has been bungee jumping from a crane a few times in Nuuk which was quite popular, but I suppose you would rather hear about more traditional forms of greenlandic entertainment.

    Personally, though I have tried it, my idea of fun is not nearly freezing my toes off while being in the middle of nowhere in bad visibility with only me, my sled, a rifle, ten dogs, and lots of snow and ice, but I know some people like that kind of life. What can be fun in some parts of Greenland is:

    Dog sledding, hunting, fishing, racing a snow scooter, skiing, ice scating, harassing the penguins (ok, I never saw a penguin. This was just for fellow linux users).

    The sled dogs live tough lives and are not treated as pets. They are rarely patted, cuddled, or kissed, except as a reward if you try to teach them something. They never get inside and have no cover except themselves, except the bitches and their pups when the weather is terrible. They get whipped and kicked once in a while which is necessary as they will otherwise run in separate directions or fight eachother, but they are not treated with malice. They also get eaten by their masters in the fortunately rare cases when someone gets lost or stranded in a snow storm for an extended period of time.

    Hunters have fair opportunities for hunting seals (we do not club the baby seals!), reindeers, polar foxes, various birds, and whales.
    Capelin fish come in huge steems to breed on some beaches and can be easily caugth with a net from shallow water because of the sheer number of fish and because they are not afraid of humans.
    Whales are typically hunted with 20-30 other people from small open plastic fiber boats. The hunting party circles around where the whale is thought to be and shoot it repeatedly with powerful rifles everytime it needs to breath, while shooting plastic balls in it with harpoons so it does not sink when it dies. This can take a while.
    Polar bears can be hunted but there is a limited quota and it requires a somewhat expensive license, experience, and skill.

    It is perfectly possible to live of only typical european food, all of it imported by ship from Denmark. It is also easy to buy meat from the various kinds of animals I have mentioned. Whale fat is, IMO, particularly tasty :-)

    Private access to the Internet on Greenland became possible a couple of years ago. It is possible to get ADSL but the bandwidth is limited by the link to Denmark and the ping is bad so it is not a major advantage. Think of the huge greenlandic market the next time you design a web site and think everyone has speedy internet access ;-)

    What do you like about it?

    I really was not very fond of it and longed to live in a more urban area with a more temperate climate. I do not expect to go back anytime soon because of that.

    What do you hate about it?

    Severe alcohol problems, it is rather isolated because travelling is expensive and can sometimes be impossible for weeks, it is very cold except for a month or so every year and even then..., sour milk during the winter because ships cannot break through the ice to the Disko fjord This is not a problem everywhere in Greenland. No trees, except a few in the southern most region of Greenland, which can be as tall as a man. There are a lot of plants and grass during summer but little variety. Few different types of plants. Racism (not white pride but etnic greenlandics who dislike danes). It seems rather etno centric; one could almost believe Greenland was the center of the earth, judging from the local news. Some corruption. In the summer, you notice all the garbage people throw on the street. I have not seen anything like it anywhere else. It is like walking in a dumpster, but fortunately, you do not see it outside of villages.

    The home rule presidents (landstyreformand) on Greenland has always, to my knowledge, been alcoholics.

    More than a few times I have heard women getting beaten up by their husbonds while walking through Nuuk on a friday night (when a lot of people, both young and old gray haired people, go to drinking parties).

    There are also thugs who want to fight for the fun of it when they get drunk and seek out random people on the streets. I do not consider it a dangerous place but you may prefer to be a little more careful than in Denmark sometimes.

    Would you recommend it, and why?

    If you find yourself indoors most of the time or walking around in an urban area then I think Greenland may not be for you unless you really want to try something different and you do not mind the downsides too much. Some people cannot stand the cold, the darkness, the isolation, and the social problems. If you belong to that group, you might still consider going there as a tourist, though it is very expensive.

    If you enjoy hunting, fishing, wild life, extreme nature, and parties where everyone drink themselves senseless (not everyone do that but it is common in all age groups), then I imagine you could be interested in living there for an extended period of time.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

    You should never walk alone too far outside of the village before you know the area and have some feeling for the climate, which can change from being somewhat cloudy to extreme snow storm within minutes. Remember that a search party may have difficulty in finding you during a snow storm, especially if the weather is too bad for a helicopter to be used.

    It may be problematic if you are afraid of or allergic to dogs. You should be aware that the dogs howl in the afternoon, bark during the day, and sometimes fight among eachother. There are many more dogs than people, they howl, and no one is going to do anything about it if they keep you up when you try to sleep. If you meet a stray dog you should not show fear. Rabies (dog madness) is rare but there have been a few cases.

    If you plan to live there for more than a year and plan to socialize with the locals, you should consider learning greenlandic as a lot of greenlandics dislike people who do not try to learn greenlandic. You are more likely to be accepted if you try. Emphasis on "try" because it is very different from european languages. A lot of people give up. If you do not pronounce it properly, you risk insulting people because small changes can significantly alter the meaning of sentences. The most popular example is that arnaq means woman while arnak means "shit" or "idiot". The greenlandic language makes heavy use of the letter "q" and it does require the use of strange throaty sounds.

    You should be aware that alcohol is expensive in Greenland. If you enjoy good wine, you may want to cut down on it when you see the outrageous prices.

    There are some things to consider when choosing where to live; dog sledding is not allowed in some towns and alcohol is rationed in a couple of villages because of serious abuse.

    How is it different from other places you have been?

    It is cold and isolated, there are few TV channels, the library and book shop does not have the latest books, there are not as many restaurants, alcohol is expensive, Internet access is slow, and you can hunt whales. That should pretty much cover it, I think.



    Toronto, ON, Canada (none / 0) (#478)
    by Dichari on Mon Aug 05, 2002 at 12:55:13 AM EST

    Where you live

    I currently live in the western inner suburb of Toronto, Mississauga. I moved here, only a month ago, so in the interest of knowledge and (let's be honest) interest I'll submit:

    Toronto, Ontario, Dominion of Canada, a willing subject of the soon-to-be Republic of Gilead.

    Why do you live there?

    Grew up here, completing high school, give me a another 2 years for my answer to change :-)

    What cultural opportunities do you have?

    It's Toronto, everything. Best recent memory was simply feeling various neighbourhoods out in force during the World Cup soccer.

    At the city's core, everyone is diverse and is extremely proud and expressive of it.

    What recreational opportunities do you have?

    As a previous poster said, we have reasonable facsimiles of every recreational activity, e.g., ski resorts, sailing clubs, however, none really stand out :P; everyone seems to be bragging about their cottage around here.

    What do you like about it?

    I'm gonna tout diversity, and yes, luxury of an American city w/o becoming one.

    Hate to say it, but I like the extremes of the winters ("My limbs are frozen and falling off!") and summers ("I can't see past this haze"). Something fun about not being stuck to a particular mode of dress all year.

    I also like being near the gay community here, something about the excessive energy they emit...

    What do you hate about it?

    All three levels of government are a) wackos b) eager to abuse the city itself in one way or another, if I see 1 more condominium replicate itself in the waterfront...

    Wierd landlords.

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

    The diversity, the pollution, our political boneheads.

    Would you recommend it, and why?

    Yes, the opportunities are here, and we all still have our souls!

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

    Speaking as a Canadian-born Chinese: don't take the Chinese people's general attitude in downtown personally. :P

    How is it different from other places you have been?

    Compared to Mississauga: There's life!

    Soenderborg, Denmark (none / 0) (#481)
    by MikaelHK on Mon Aug 05, 2002 at 06:30:07 AM EST

    Where do you live? I live in the beautiful town of Soenderborg in the kingdom of Denmark, which is nominally ;) a part of Europe. We have a small town nearing 35000 inhabitants and are in a way the regional capitol. The city lies mostly on the small island of Als but has spread to the Jutland mainland as well. It is an ancient town with history all the way back to the viking age and our very own important part in danish history (as we were a part of Denmark returned after WWI after being conquered in 1864). Why do you live there? Oh, hard question. By choice mostly. I was born here and is apart of family with 4 generations of people living in the town (and danish ancestor as far as we can trace back). I moved away once to go to university, but I changed my mind missing my family, old friends and hometown, so I moved back and I haven't looked back since :) What cultural opportunities do you have? The usual stuff. Museums on the war of 1864, the ancient buildings and castle. A standard cinema and a nice midtown, which features a large stretch of walking traffic only shops. What recreational opportunities do you have? There is an adequate amount of recreational facilities but nothing really outstanding except maybe squash. What do you like about it? I like the town, the mindset of the natives so to speak. We're nice, most of the time and very laidback esspecially in regards to laws which make no sense. Nothing is too far away. Hell I can walk to every where I am in the mind to do that. What do you hate about it? Many people have a racist or a tendency to think of things only in the short term. But that is my problem with most people in the entire world. What qualities really stand out? (good or bad) It is possible to have a great and united family life in this town. Would you recommend it, and why? Small town Denmark is not for everyone, but if you don't have special needs or have to go to museums all the time, then this is the place to be and the place for your dreams. It is for me. If I were to move there, what would I really need to know? Learn the danish concept of Hygge and apply it to your life. It will make you understand the danish mindset better. Learn some of the danish idiosyncracies like the laws of Jante and learn that they should be ignored. That way you'll enrich us as much as we will enrich you. How is it different from other places you have been? It is calmer and the people are more likely to be able to keep contact with you and you with them. That is far better than long distance contact.

    Perth, Western Australia (none / 0) (#484)
    by smog on Mon Aug 05, 2002 at 11:50:09 AM EST

    Where do you live?Perth Western Australia. As mentioned earlier by others it is on the far western edge of the continent, pop. a bit over a 1million. And a good 4+ hour flight to anywhere of significance, depending on the jet stream ;-)

    Why do you live there?I was born here, 4 and 5 generations of my family where as well (at least back to the beginning of the 20th century). My great grandfather was responsible for much of the engineering involved with Perth's first electrical grid. So I would say there is a strong familial attachment.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?I believe a rapidly improving one. Ever since the early 80's and around the time of the hosting of the America's cup, I have noticed a rapidly improving awareness of food, service, multiculturalism. Many interesting acts come to Perth for the Perth Festival of the Arts. But it is annoying that often touring bands just can't be bothered coming to Perth, and just do the east coast of Australia.

    What recreational opportunities do you have?If you are into sport and outdoors, especially water activities then perth is fantastic. People will disagree but I think we have the some of the most beatuiful, clean, white beaches in the world ;-) Perth is flat, so is the surrounding country side (I mean really flat) so there are no mountains, no snow, so winter sports are completely out for us.

    What do you like about it?It is laid back, it is clean, it is warm, housing is relatively inexpensive. But the thing I suppose I like the most, is when I get back from travelling overseas, is the clarity of the air, the light. It is truly amazing. Perth has a very dry climate, and generally low humidity, and most of the year round the visibility is in the 20-30 mile territory. You can just see for miles. In fact after long overseas trips, on returning it takes a few days to adjust to just how bright and clear the light is. I have visited other city's in australia, but they just don't have the light quality. Go inland away from the pollution we do have and it truly is the land of the big sky.

    What do you hate about it?The isolation, it takes just so damn long to get anywhere (mind you that can be good too)

    Also I dislike the small mindedness, and bigotry (this is more about australia than perth specifically). I dislike how in Australia's indiginous people are treated. It is also strange in my experience, that I have found the typical bigotry within Australia towards coloured people tends to be directed to specific groups, especially the Aboriginal population, rather than all people with dark skin for instance. My brother in law is of british/jamaican descent, and so many times he has had encounters with people who from a distance have thought he was aboriginal, and have been quite rude etc, but once meeting him, hearing the english accent etc... and realise he is not indigenous, change completely and can't be nice enough to him. This is pretty poor endightment on how many people in Australia treat some ethnic groups. It has never actually affected me, but I see it, and dislike it.

    However travellers to Perth that I have met have always commented to me how friendly Perth is.

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad) See what I said about why I like it.

    Would you recommend it, and why? I have met a number of people in the oil industry over the years (typically US expats), and they tell me they have travelled and worked all over the world, and the one place they would like to live (and usually try to) is Perth. I couldn't agree with them more ;-) It is a very nice place to bring up children. It isn't a small country town (I spent 5 years of my youth living in a small country town 120 km (80 miles) dues east of Perth (population less than 1500 people established in the 1830's) with all of the problems rural australia has (lack of opportunity for young people etc) and it just just doesn't have the feel of the really big cities like Sydney, New York, LA, which to me feel rushed, claustrophobic, and not particularly friendly (mind you they are all nice places, and I haven't lived in any them just visited ;-)

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know? Take your time, don't rush out and by a house, because what may be considered abargain elsewhere is probably a rip off in Perth (I know a few people from the Eastern States of Australia and from overseas, who have fallen for that). And take some time and head north, you can drive for 12 hours straight at 110km/h and only get part way up the coast, but once you get up north there places like Coral Bay which are just amazing, and I know many people who just haven't made the effort. WA's natural beauty is pretty good. Hey but I am biased!

    How is it different from other places you have been?It is so flat. I actually start feeling claustrophobic in pretty well every place I have visited outside of WA. The first time I travelled to the US, it took me ages to get over the fact of not having a flat horizon, be it ocean or land.



    My turn (none / 0) (#487)
    by Banjonardo on Mon Aug 05, 2002 at 01:49:43 PM EST

    Where do you live?

    Danville, CA, USA Why do you live there?

    Cause my parents do, silly.... What cultural opportunities do you have?

    San Fransisco + San Jose are an hour away each. You can do anything there. As an added plus, Walnut Creek is 15 minutes away, there are nice restaurants there. It's also HQ for Maxis, inc. and FreeBSD, inc. What recreational opportunities do you have?

    Sigh.....nothing. The movies, bowling, and, oh, the movies. What do you like about it?

    Beautiful, everyone's rich, wonderful weather, nice people. What do you hate about it?

    Lack of stuff to do for a high-schooler. Would you recommend it, and why?

    Sure, great place, everything's nice and clean, beautiful weather, etc. If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

    Don't be a twentysomething. Please. You'll be bored out of your mind. Other than that, nice family place. How is it different from other places you have been?

    Brazil (Rio in particular) is much more.........exciting. Then again, Rio is, IMO, the best place on earth. I also lived in Puerto Rico, which is, well, different. Nice place. Wouldn't live there TOO long, but nice place.
    I like Muffins. MOLDY muffins.

    Ames, IA, USA. REPRESENT! (none / 0) (#496)
    by delmoi on Tue Aug 06, 2002 at 12:35:26 AM EST

    I'm to lazy to write a proper response, and I really need to be doing homework right now

    Anyway, I'll say I've grown up here and now I'm attending Iowa State University.

    I like it, I've always liked it here. Some of my friends from high school wanted to 'get out' of Ames after HS, and ended up going to U of I... which I must admit is somewhat cooler then Ames.

    I am getting a little antsy and want to explore the world, though :P
    --
    "'argumentation' is not a word, idiot." -- thelizman
    Santa Monica / Los Angeles, CA (none / 0) (#497)
    by sanity on Tue Aug 06, 2002 at 03:36:46 AM EST

    I live in Santa Monica, CA. For those not familiar with the area, it is essentially part of Los Angeles, but technically considered a separate city.

    I live here because two years ago I set up a company with two people who were living here, I was living in London at the time, but moved over here because the US seemed like a more appropriate place for the company.

    Coming from northern Europe (I was born in Ireland, but have lived in Edinburgh, Scotland, and London, England), the US was quite a culture shock initially, but after a few months I grew more accustomed to it.

    While living in the UK my main source of recreation was going out to bars and clubs, and getting hammered with my friends. That is certainly still possible in LA, however it is generally more convenient to invite a few friends over and get hammered at my or their home. This is mainly due to the facts that everything closes at 2am (very early by London standards), and you almost have to drive anywhere you might want to go - which means a choice between not drinking (no fun), drunk driving (stupid), or getting a taxi (wildly expensive).

    I like the fact that both the people and the weather give everything a warm glow of optimism, even as our economy collapses. Yes - LA is full of wannabe actors and actresses, but after a while you learn to appreciate these people's optimism rather than simply sneering at their rather low chances of success.

    Despite the public image of LA as a rather lawless place, that is - in most part - a fiction created to allow people to make interesting movies with lots of explosions without venturing too far from Hollywood. Yes, East and South Central LA are not nice places, but West LA (Santa Monica is right by the coast) is very safe and comfortable.

    Many who have visited LA view it as a city of strip malls. This is unfortunate, as anyone who as driven a few miles up the Pacific Coast Highway through Malibu, taken the twisty road through Topanga Canyon, or ventured out into the desert to the north east of the city, will know that LA has much more to offer, and Southern California is a beautiful place.

    I don't like the fact that it is necessary to drive everywhere in LA, it isn't that the public transport is all that poor, Santa Monica's "Big Blue Bus" was selected as the number one urban transit system in 1998, and it has only improved since then. The problem is that the city is so spread-out, that even on the fastest bus, it still takes ages to get anywhere, making a car all but a necessity.

    All in all, I like LA. That is not to say I would spend the rest of my life here, but it is more comfortable than New York, less depressing than San Fransisco, and parts of it are more scenic than almost any other city I have been (save, perhaps, Edinburgh, Scotland).

    Dublin, Republic of Ireland , EU (none / 0) (#502)
    by scoby on Wed Aug 07, 2002 at 11:45:29 PM EST

    Where do you live?
    Dublin , capital city of the republic of Ireland
    Why do you live there?
    I moved here to go to college and am currently still a student.
    What cultural opportunities do you have?
    Dublin has it's fair share of museums, galleries theatres and pubs (the true home of irish culture?) It's a popular tourist destination so the mix of languages and peoples on the streets is great during the summer
    even if none of us Irish are speaking anything other than english. Georgian architecture can be found in many parts of a city that was founded by the vikings over a thousand years ago.
    What recreational opportunities do you have?
    Cinemas, theatres bars, clubs live music. U2 don't play every weekend (unfotunately) but neither do westlife (thankfully).
    Restruants a plenty especialy in the city centre whre I'm lucky enough to live.
    What do you like about it?
    It's lively with a fairly large student population Pub culture I love and it's actually a nice place to meet people from all over the world, which is what this is all about right?
    What do you hate about it?
    Thankfully in the minority there are enough rude ignorant racist irish people to really piss me off. It's not the cleanest city ever, can be noisy and the traffic's a bitch. Pubs and clubs close about 2-3 so streams of drunk people end up on the street at the same time which is a recipe for disaster (and taxi queueing)
    Would you recommend it, and why?
    Yes it's afun place to live there's enough to do for the tourist and has a young growing population.
    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
    walk or use a bike to get around and if you want to make friends just invite someone for a drink in the nearest teach tabhairne
    tús maith leath na hoibre
    Tucson, AZ, USA (none / 0) (#504)
    by glwillia on Fri Aug 09, 2002 at 04:01:40 AM EST

    Where do you live?

    I live in Tucson, AZ, USA

    Why do you live there?

    I'm originally from Phoenix (~200 km to the north), but moved here to attend Uni (the University of Arizona has one of the best astronomy departments in the nation)

    What cultural opportunities do you have?

    Not very many, which is surprising considering this is a university town. We're really close to Mexico, so there are a lot of Mexicans here (and their associated culture), but for the most part the areas I'm familiar with (not South Tucson, going there is generally a bad idea) are mostly sprawling suburbia. There is a small arts district downtown, but it's been slowly diminishing over time.

    What recreational opportunities do you have?

    A fair amount. It's good if you like outdoor activities, since we're only an hour's drive away from forests and mountains, and there is still a fair amount of virgin desert surrounding the city. Playing sports is common, and we have a fair amount of appreciation for independent cinema and theater.

    What do you like about it?

    It's really cheap to live here, the winters are really nice, you don't really need a car here ( rarity for the American Southwest), a fair amount of older/unique architecture (unlike Phoenix), lots of caves/hiking trails nearby and the university is quite good.

    What do you hate about it?

    The weather (routinely hits 105 F / 40 C), high crime rate, lots of cockroaches, lots of homeless people/transients/drug addicts/drug dealers, and the drivers/traffic are abominable.

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

    The heat

    Would you recommend it, and why?

    Not really. It's great if you like astronomy or the desert, and don't want to live in some huge sprawling megalopolis but still want the convenience of a largish city. It's bad if you want a true cosmopolitan area or like to be able to go outside during the summers

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

    That air conditioning is a necessity.

    How is it different from other places you have been?

    I've been all over the world, but the only other places I've spent much time in are Phoenix, AZ, USA and Charleroi, Belgium. Charleroi is completely different, of course, and I'd in fact much prefer to live in Belgium than Tucson (or Phoenix), but my mother (who's originally Belgian) didn't and that's why I'm here in AZ in the first place. Phoenix is basically a larger version of Tucson, but it combines all the disadvantages of a large city (pollution, crime, urban sprawl) with all the disadvantages of a small town (no public transportation to speak of, poor education, very few cultural attractions) and the place consists entirely of strip malls and suburban housing developments--a pretty awful place to live (by first-world standards), unless you really can't stand cold rainy weather.

    Newcastle-upon-Tyne, England (none / 0) (#505)
    by MiddleAgedGuy on Fri Aug 09, 2002 at 11:57:26 AM EST

    Where do you live?
    Actually I live in Whitley Bay, which was originally a typical english Victorian seaside resort but nowadays is really an outlying suburb of Newcastle with what could be described as mostly "nice" neighbourhoods, built prior to WW II , some awful modern estates which have been designed to be "desirable" and a few pockets or good quality council houses.
    Why do you live there?
    I live here because I decided to return to live in the UK around five years ago after twenty years away and I was looking for a job where I could be close to mountains and the sea.
    What cultural opportunities do you have?
    In Newcastle there are few theatres, a couple of big cinemas, one art-house cinema, some top-class restaurants, one large and some small art galleries. We've got a lot of architecturally important period buildings in the centre of Newcastle and Hadrians Wall and a lot of other Roman buildins and structures in the region. The Royal Shakespeare Company does a three week season in Newcastle every year and there is a new Music Centre being built which will be a new venue for all kinds of music. Newcastle along with Gateshead on the other side of the river Tyne is bidding to become a European City of Culture. http://www.visitnewcastlegateshead.com/cultureIndex.php?s=10 You can also have a great time just going out and getting drunk. People come from all over the UK to get drunk in Newcastle.
    What recreational opportunities do you have?
    I live beside the sea. The Cheviot Hills, the Scottish Border Upland and the English Lake District are all a short drive away for hiking and climbing. (One of the reasons I live here). Newcastle has a top premier league football (http://www.nufc.com) club and a top rugby team.
    What do you like about it?
    The people. The price of housing. The countryside.
    What do you hate about it
    The people. Geordies (people from Newcastle) can be the most self-centred, ignorant, bigoted people in the UK as well the the friendliest, most honest, open and independent.
    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
    The friendliness of the people. The countryside and sense of history.
    Would you recommend it, and why?
    I would recommend it to people who want want the region has to offer.
    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
    It's called football not soccer and calling someone a "bugger" is a term of endearment not an insult
    How is it different from other places you have been?
    The people don't speak a word of german (I lived ten years in Hamburg)


    Southern New Hampshire (none / 0) (#506)
    by nne3jxc on Fri Aug 09, 2002 at 04:39:40 PM EST

    Where do you live?
    Londonderry, NH. Directly south of NH's largest city, Manchester. About 50 Miles north of Boston Mass.

    Why do you live there?
    Moved here from Massachusetts about 15 years ago to escape then Governor Dukakis' reign of Tax Terror. Since then, I've gotten married, worked, gone to college, had a few more jobs, started a family and bought a house. (in roughly that order.)

    What cultural/recreational opportunities do you have?
    The obvious one is NH's proximity to Boston. Secondarily are the "vacation" aspects of NH. Lots of skiing, camping, hiking, hunting, etc. There is lots of history here,and several surprisingly decent museums.

    What do you like about it?
    New Hampshire is great. It is clean, reasonably crime-free and the small-towns feel like small towns, while the larger ones have the surburban feel that you would expect from any town within an easy drive froma major city. The High-Tech industry is growing due to it's proximity to Boston (current "recession" excepted) and I expect it to continue once the current economic trouble are behind us.
    It is great to be able to drive less than an hour south and be in a fantastic city (Boston) or drive an hour north and be in unspoiled wilderness (well almost).

    What do you hate about it?
    nothing really. A fine place to live. I do wish it had some of the broad culinary range in both restaurants and groceries that you find closer to Boston or in other major cities.

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)
    Housing prices aren't as insane as they are in Massachusetts and other high-tech regions. For instance, I have a 1700 Sq ft Cape house on 1.25 acres, worth about $200,000 in the current market.

    Would you recommend it, and why?
    Yes, I would recommend NH, it is a nice place to live and raise a family, the cost of living isn't insane, and the salaries in Southern NH are competitive with salaries you find in the high-tech region surrounding Boston.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?
    If you're not from this area of the country, you'd have to get used to the attitude of the "cold Yankee" -- that is, people up here aren't real talkative and don't generally talk to strangers. That doesn't mean that they're unfriendly, just that they tend to keep to themselves. Once engaged in conversation they are as nice as anyone else.
    Also, bear in mind that Southern NH is "urbanizing" quickly -- if you are looking for a real rural setting you're going to have to go further north, say another 30 or 40 miles.


    Greifswald, Germany (none / 0) (#508)
    by opilio on Sat Aug 10, 2002 at 04:31:22 PM EST

    This post has sparked really a lot of reactions, so now even I dare to come out of the closet and post a comment, albeit a bit late. I like one poster's idea of creating a map of people who've contributed comments. That map would show one thing that sort of puzzles me, namely, that almost everybody who posted here lives in North America or Western Europe. It's no surprise that the regions where the most people with access to the internet live should be heavily dominating here (which still doesn't explain why the only posts from Japan and South Korea come from American expatriates), and k5 is based in America, but I'm still amazed at the extend of said concentration. And here comes yet another white male OECD country inhabitant:-)

    Where do you live?

    Greifswald, a university town of ~50,000 inhabitants on Germany's Baltic sea shore.

    Why do you live there?

    I originally came here to study; and I wanted to live in East Germany while it still was significantly different from the western part of the country, where I come from. By now, I'm feeling a bit like being stuck in Hotel California.

    What cultural/recreational opportunities do you have?

     The theatre/opera/ballet we're sharing with the neighbouring town of Stralsund (which boasts being among the most recent entries to the UNICEF's World Cultural Heritage List) is much better than one would expect in a place this size. I've even been to three or four contemporary Finnish operas there. Staff and students of the university's Nordic department devote a lot of energy to organizing a festival one week each spring, with visiting artists from all Nordic countries. The town museum is currently under reconstruction and will afterwards house what is left of the collections of the provincial museum of Pomerania at Stettin (nowadays Szczecin on the Polish side of the 1945 border). The gallery of paintings is already open and quite nice, but no reason to come here from afar. And there's about one train per hour heading for Berlin...
    As for recreation: Biking - the landscape's mostly flat, but not to the point of being dull. All sort of things related to the sea. Beaches. Between them, more beaches. Poland is nearby, so are Denmark and Sweden.

    What do you like about it?

    It's reasonably small, and the entire region is relatively sparsely populated. To me, three people are a crowd. Still, I wouldn't want to live in a village, either. I like being able to reach all places I have to reach in no time without having to have a car.
    The nightingale on the other side of the road. The storks. The cormorans. The grey crows. All those cute arthropods around here.
    The way this place is absolutely not shiny and glitzy.
    The possibility to listen to (FM!) radio from Denmark (though I don't understand it) and from Poland (though I do understand it - no, I'm sorry; it's not that bad. Certainly not as bad as our radio gaga over here). Now, it's amazing that that works, but it does.
    The air. If you arrive from Berlin and get off the train here, it is as if you had come to a different planet where they actually have oxygen.

    What do you hate about it?

    Sometimes, the idea of living in a bigger city like the one where I was born looks attractive to me. Might improve the odds of meeting interesting people. And nasty ones, too. Sigh.

    Occasional proliferation of skinheads. They seem to come in waves. There haven't been any incidents of right-wing violence for a pretty long time now, but I wouldn't bet any money on saying those morons are gone for good.

    What qualities really stand out? (good or bad)

    This area used to belong to Sweden from 1648 to 1815, and it still shows. Not much, but anyway. The university owns quite a few old Swedish and Finnish books from the time it was Sweden's oldest university. If for some reason you're interested in the history of German-Scandinavian relations, this might be a place worth visiting.
    When I first came here, it looked sooo German to me. Even today, there are very few foreigners here, my wild guess would be no more than 4-5% of the population. That applies, of course, for easily discernible foreigners (German nationals with not too distant foreign ancestry inaccurately included), such as Arab and African students or Mormon missionaries.

    Would you recommend it, and why?

    No, if you're looking for a buzzing metropolis or for a spectacular landscape. OTOH, there's no reason to avoid this place more than any other. If you feel you absolutely have to be at the Max Planck Institute for Nuclear Fusion, don't let yourself be deterred by the fact that it is located here. If you come from abroad to Germany for learning the language, it might be of interest to you that no wildly exotic dialect is being spoken around here.

    If I were to move there, what would I really need to know?

    This being a small town, you're bound to run into the same people all the time. And there's ONE catholic church, ONE lesbian & gay association, ONE alcoholics anonymous group, etc. So, "...love the one(s) you're with", if you want to have a social live.

    Learn German, if you don't speak it already (you won't starve if you don't, but you will miss a lot), and learn the metric system.

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    Und die Halme schrein, wenn du den Rasen mähst. -- Element of Crime, Mach das Licht aus, wenn du gehst

    Pikes Peak region of Colorado, USA (none / 0) (#511)
    by tbc on Fri Oct 18, 2002 at 04:00:09 PM EST

    Where do you live?
    Monument, Colorado, USA

    Why do you live there?
    I was born in Colorado, my parents moved the family away, then I moved back with my parents because my dad took a job there. While still in college I got a job here. Then my wife got a job, we had kids, and started calling this place home. My job no longer ties me here, but practically all of my extended family lives nearby, and I have brothers and sisters in Christ here, too.

    What cultural opportunities do you have?
    Colorado Springs used to have an excellent symphony conductor. The conductor moved on, and I haven't been back, but word had it that the symphony is still good. Their home venue is the Pikes Peak Center. There's interesting local art reflecting Western and Southwestern culture. Downtown Denver is less than an hour away, too. Finally, I call the Flying W Ranch "culture," but prigs won't all agree.

    What recreational opportunities do you have?
    The Colorado Rocky Mountains! Pikes Peak. And all the rivers, lakes, and parks. Denver has several sports teams.

    What do you like about it?
    Mostly I like it because I have roots here. I live in a small town still slightly isolated from the city of Colorado Springs. Small mountain towns are in my family's blood. I love seeing the Rocky Mountains in daily vistas.

    What do you hate about it?
    I don't hate anything about it.

    What qualities really stand out?
    I already covered that in previous answers.

    Would you recommend it, and why?
    Absolutely! See my previous answers.

    How is it different from other places you have been?
    I grew up in Oregon. It was rainy. We see the sun here most days. Also, Oregon has always been a little on the fringes politically. I like the conservative environment here. I went to school in Boston in New England, which is extremely different from the Western U.S. There life was liberal, urban, and rushed. Here we have conservative politics and wide open spaces. Life is slower (although still too fast if both parents are trying to work full time, but I digress).

    Also compare with the previous Colorado thread.

    I started the Tri-Lakes Yahoo! Group so I would have a place for local bookmarks.


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