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BDSM: a sub-culture primer

By Bora Horza Gobuchol in Culture
Mon Jul 29, 2002 at 03:10:19 PM EST
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Bondage, Discipline, and Sadomasochism (BDSM - also known as D/s (Domination/submission), sadomasochism, and bondage) is a sexual subculture that is treated two ways by the man on the street - as a source of tittering humor (Benny Hill romps, the movie adaptation of Anne Rice's Exit to Eden), or with confusion and disdain ("You like humiliating people? Tying them up? Pervert!"). The purpose of this article is to give some context to a misunderstood and hidden part of society, and (hopefully) clear up some misinformation.

Note: this article deals with sexuality in a frank and open manner - including sexual acts that you may find disturbing and/or indecent. If you object to such discussion, or if you are under 18, you may wish to turn to many of the other interesting stories available at k5.


While there are no hard statistics about how many experiment with D/s (since it remains such a hidden part of society), the range of books, organizations and trained psychological counselors for the D/s community suggest that interest in it is widespread. To many, the thought of tying someone up and doing all kinds of wicked things to them (or being the one tied up) is deeply exciting - yet very "wrong". Understanding what D/s is - and what it is not - may help clear up the issue.

There are two distinct areas of D/s - the psychological (the dynamic of Domination/submission) and the physical (bondage, the pain/pleasure response, etc.). One of the interesting things about "the lifestyle" (as some adherents call it) is that each area can be approached separately from the other. It follows that each of these areas has more or less appeal to everyone entering D/s - some will experiment only in one and never venture into the other. We will be discussing both in a moment, but first it might be useful to place D/s in a historical background.

A Brief History

In the Western world, D/s will forever and unfortunately be associated with the Marquis de Sade, the man who gave name to the term sadism and who first attempted to write about some aspects of D/s.

I say "unfortunately" because de Sade is the last man that the modern D/s community would wish to be represented by. Entirely self-obsessed, almost certainly a rapist (and at the very least one of brutal sexual temperament), spending a great deal of his life either imprisoned or in various asylums, the Marquis was nonetheless a passionate and literate defender of the individual, and had a keen understanding of the labyrinthine workings of the human mind. To de Sade, sadism and masochism (he enjoyed both) were the deepest explorations of the human self. He believed that only by peeling the psyche down via physical and mental anguish could one discover the core of one's being.

While de Sade might have been the world's most famous and excessive practitioner of this philosophy, he was certainly not alone. The idea of depriving the body and mind to better see the spirit is one central to many religions, seen in as many variant forms as Catholic flagellants, Hindu mystics, and Apache sun-dancers. In turn, these experiences are associated with a kind of ecstasy, in which the physical pain is both a root cause and effect. In some cases the line between this religious ecstasy and that of carnal pleasure is very blurred indeed - in the Western world, the Agony of St. Teresa is probably the best-known example.

The modern movement of D/s can be distinguished from its historical roots by the creed of "safe, sane, and consensual" (none of which could be applied to de Sade) and a humanist view largely separated from religious impulses.

Being such an intimate experience, there are almost as many differing interpretations of what D/s is and is not as there are practitioners. Motivations for experimenting with D/s are very different, and one's judgment of what makes "good" D/s will therefore be entirely subjective. Like any area of human interest, there are differing schools of thought, sub-branches, even schisms within the larger D/s community. With the obvious restriction of length, this essay attempts to give an overview of the modern D/s sub-culture as a whole, with its primary focus on what might be considered the mainstream.

Domination and submission - the psychological dark side

Part of de Sade's dogma was that the individual should take pleasure solely for himself - that this was in fact the central driving force to the human spirit. While typically excessive of de Sade, modern D/s does recognize that there is constant power-play in all human relations between those who are primarily Dominant and those who are submissive.

We can see this Dominant/submissive tendency in everyone around us. There are those that seem to naturally lead, take charge, and command, and there are others who are far more willing to follow. While upbringing, culture and life experiences can certainly shape this nature, to many it is something that one is "born with". To these people, Domination and submission is a part of everyday life - it is simply formalized, heightened and sexualized in D/s.

In the bedroom, many experience a thrill from being more dominant - the instigator, the leader - or submissive (one who is lead, commanded, positioned). Note that this only works if both parties feel comfortable in their respective roles. The rational mind recognizes that there is no fun to be had in sexual play in commanding someone who doesn't wish to be. (Acting at reluctance or resistance is another thing entirely, and can be understood to be part of the play).

In D/s, these roles are given various names. The Dominant partner is often referred to as a Top, Dom (Domme for women), "Master" or "Mistress". (The term "Dominatrix" is rarely used inside the lifestyle - a woman who makes money from her kink is simply a professional Domme.) The submissive partner is usually "bottom", "sub" and (in rare cases) "slave". While many entering the lifestyle will quickly find their niche, others may vary back and forth between one role and the other depending on their mood, partner, and circumstances. They are commonly referred to as "Switches", and are the equivalent of bisexuals in the continuum of D/s.

At this point it is important to note that to some, D/s is a part of their basic sexuality. Most of us identify ourselves as straight, homosexual or bi. A D/s adherent might say that they are "a straight male sub". For others, D/s doesn't run that deep - being submissive is a special treat for Friday nights, and not how they see themselves as a person.

The psych aspect of D/s is am endless subject of discussion within the community, often becoming overburdened with amateur psychology and self-rationalization. Perhaps the most extreme example of this can be found in the "Gor" cycle by John Norman - a series of fantasy works that started out as standard Robert Howard-esque fiction but became increasingly obsessed with promoting the idea that human males were naturally Dominant, and females submissive, with page after page of theory. This in turn spawned a whole sub-sub culture of Gorean D/s adherents, who follow the books as guides to life, much as extreme Tolkien fans might with their canon.

The greatest mis-understanding of the D/s lifestyle is that the sub must do anything s/he is commanded to do. This is simply not the case. A D/s relationship - whether it be for a short "scene" or a life-long commitment - is something that must bring pleasure to and fulfill both partners if it is to work. With new partners, a scene - a period of D/s play - is talked about and negotiated, and it is the sub that leads the negotiation.

Any sub will have things that are of interest to him/her, and things that are not. In the "not" category are acts that are psychologically repulsive or physically impossible (some forms of bondage or restraint might be very uncomfortable or dangerous, for example). These are "hard limits" - things the sub will not do. "Soft limits" are areas where the sub feels uncomfortable, but might be willing to venture into. These limits determine the possible activities of any "scene".

The physical aspect - Bondage and the pain/pleasure response

The pain/pleasure response can seem at first glance to be counter-intuitive, even contradictory - how can anyone take pleasure from pain? Some examples from everyday life might help to illustrate the phenomenon.

Many will be familiar with the "high" associated with extreme physical exertion. In reaction to physical stress the body releases natural opiates - primarily endorphin and serotonin - that act to dull the sensation of pain and often supply a feeling of transcendence and well-being. This phenomenon is primarily associated with exercise and sports, but almost any sufficiently stressful activity will do.

This same high is often in effect during sex. Many will be familiar with "hickeys", scratches, and other bruises from "the combat of love". During lovemaking, such effects don't seem particularly painful - in fact they are often arousing, a goad for more. Yet outside that context - if you were standing on a street corner, say, and someone bit you with the same force - it would most definitely hurt.

So context is all-important. What can be painful in one situation can be stimulating in another. Submissives don't have multiple orgasms when they hit their thumb with a hammer - if that were so, there would be no need for Dom/mes, and Home Depot would be a very different place. Context makes the difference. Being with someone that arouses you, or being aroused, can lead to a switching of associations between pleasure and pain.

That degree of association will vary naturally from one person to another, even from one day to the next (a woman's period, for example, can heighten physical sensitivity to an unbearable degree). Within D/s, riotous imagination has made toys of pain and pleasure from almost every conceivable item. Contrary to popular perception, whips are very rarely used in D/s, as they are extremely difficult to control. Floggers (similar to the cat-o'-nine tails, but usually with finer and many more tails), clamps and crops are popular. All have ways of being used safely - an under-appreciated side of D/s is that it requires study to do well. Sex is somewhat instinctive, but safe ways of binding someone to a bed are not.

Problems associated with D/s

Self-acceptance

Admitting submissive feelings can be extremely torturous. Men (culturally) and women (since the rise of the feminist movement) have been told to be strong, independent, and subservient to no-one. Integrating these cultural currents with the fact that one is turned on at the thought of being led around on a leash can be very difficult.

Legal acceptance

Professional Dommes skirt the law by the fact that their clients are often very well-heeled (and thus less of a target for a police force that does not wish to embarrass powerful members of society) and that there is no sexual interaction between themselves and their clients (at least not in the sense of direct genital contact.) As a private act between consenting individuals, D/s would appear to be on safe ground - but ongoing cases in Hong Kong, Toronto, Philedelphia and the infamous British "Spanner" case show otherwise. While there are no laws explicitly against D/s, authorities will often use a combination of bawdy house, prostitution and assault laws to charge D/s adherents.

D/s as a cover for abuse

Some men (and far rarer, women) will latch on to D/s as a smokescreen for their abuse. This can be particularly effective when their partners are submissive, and convince themselves that the abuse is "right" because "it's what I want". Central to recognizing abuse in a D/s relationship is the ability to see who is calling the shots - is the submissive stating the terms, or the Dom? Are there "safe words" that can be used by a sub to stop a scene that is no longer pleasurable, and are they respected?

D/s "sugar daddies" and "mommies"

Sexual desire has been a beguiling force down through the ages, since long before Salome. Sugar daddies can be found in the D/s community, leeched by subs through a form of undeclared trade - "I'll do x (submission) in exchange for y (money, goods, etc)". D/s can be such a strongly co-dependent activity that this particular dynamic can go unrecognized for years.

How do I know if my significant other is as interested in D/s as I am?

Approaching someone about D/s - even a life-partner of many years - can be a very awkward and embarrassing prospect. The good news is that someone with an interest in D/s has usually had such an interest for a very long time, even if it is suppressed. D/s adherents are the children who manipulated their childhood friends into tying them up during a game of Cowboys and Indians (or who was the one doing the tying), or who found out that they enjoyed being spanked. Being open and honest about these feelings is another thing entirely. Here are a couple of clues, however:

  • Do they use D/s terms in everyday conversation, in a joking manner? "Yeah, I should be spanked" in association with admitting guilt, for example.
  • A copy of the "Beauty" series on their bookshelf. Before she became feverishly popular with her "Vampire Chronicles", Anne Rice wrote erotica, principally under the pseudonyms of "A. N. Roquelaure" and "Anne Rampling". Rice has undeniable skills as a writer, and the "Beauty" series is probably the best fictional exploration of D/s available. ("9 ½ Weeks", after the initial enticements, shows what can go wrong in a D/s relationship.)
  • Victorian fly whisks lying around the house. Antique straps and canes. A riding crop, when you know she doesn't ride. Scarves left in curious proximity to the bedposts.
In conclusion - D/s can be a exciting, fulfilling venture, but it is not without its dangers and traps. Explored through a stable, loving relationship, it can deepen and heal trust issues. Approached with sensitivity and candor, it can vastly expand upon the range of expression available to "vanilla" (i.e. ordinary) sex. Because a D/s scene often requires careful approach and planning, it is not for "quickie" experiences. Often, a D/s scene can be measured in hours, including introduction, tension, climax and denouement, and can thus be a very effective alternative to a sex life that has grown predictable, quick, functional and stale. But because it can wade into deep emotional waters and be extremely physically stressful, D/s must be approached carefully, sanely, and most of all consensually.

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BDSM: a sub-culture primer | 230 comments (189 topical, 41 editorial, 0 hidden)
What really gets on my nerve (3.36 / 19) (#1)
by Bob Dog on Sun Jul 28, 2002 at 07:14:16 PM EST

with these s/m types is the whole "nudg, nudge, wink, wink.  Ooh we're so naughty" vibe they got.  Fuckin' repressed english schoolboys the lot of them.

Good Article... (2.90 / 10) (#2)
by thelizman on Sun Jul 28, 2002 at 07:14:37 PM EST

I still think it's perverted yet humorous, but this was educational and insightful nonetheless.
--

"Our language is sufficiently clumsy enough to allow us to believe foolish things." - George Orwell
Favorite S&M factlet (4.52 / 17) (#11)
by localroger on Sun Jul 28, 2002 at 08:11:03 PM EST

Submissives outnumber dominants by a huge ratio. The vast majority of people into this would prefer to be subs. It's a running theme in much of the literature, especially Coming to Power by Samois. When you do read something by someone who prefers to be dominant (like Pat Califia or Gloria Brame), they often reveal that much of the pleasure for them is vicarious. It's the submissives who have all the fun.

This has very interesting ramifications with regard to human nature.

Nice article, informative and wonderfully free of the self-congratulatory bullshit that often creeps into such expositions. My only complaint is that you mention John Norman; if S&Mers would put the Divine Marquis last in line to be their representative, I suspect a lot of them would put Norman in line just ahead of him.

+1FP when it hits the queue.

I can haz blog!

D/s is Just One of Many Ways to Spice up Sex (4.07 / 14) (#23)
by alphabit on Sun Jul 28, 2002 at 10:00:12 PM EST

How do I know if my significant other is as interested in D/s as I am?

Approaching someone about D/s - even a life-partner of many years - can be a very awkward and embarrassing prospect.


It's important to remember that D/s isn't the only way or even the best way to spice up your sex life.

The best way, at least in my experience, is to talk with your gf (or bf) about what they like, don't like, are curious about, etc. Two great ways to get ideas or just have wicked sex discussions are: (1) going together to a sex store* or (2) reading together through a couple's sex book. The world of interesting sex is huge and should be explore in tandem with your partner.

* A sex store, in case you didn't know, is not the same as a porn video store. ;-)

--
'It is better to light one candle than to curse the darkness.' -unknown
D/s for Enhancing Trust? (3.36 / 11) (#24)
by alphabit on Sun Jul 28, 2002 at 10:01:09 PM EST

Explored through a stable, loving relationship, it can deepen and heal trust issues.

I find that trust is usually best enhanced (or "healed", if you will) through means other than kinky sex. Maybe I'm just an old fashioned prude though. ;-)

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'It is better to light one candle than to curse the darkness.' -unknown
Most people do D/s without realising... (4.35 / 14) (#38)
by gordonjcp on Mon Jul 29, 2002 at 04:06:17 AM EST

Every relationship is highly dependent on trust, and compromise.  I have to trust that my girlfriend won't poison my dinner, she has to trust that I won't paint the kitchen orange and pink.  You have to compromise in that your girlfriend doesn't like spicy foods, but you want scotch bonnet chillis in everything.  A balance must be reached.

With D/s, each partner is highly dependent on the other.  Something that most people don't realise is that the Dom(me) and sub see themselves as essentially equal, at least while negotiating.  Arguably, the sub is the one in control - being in a vulnerable position, they can call everything off if they feel uncomfortable with something.  The idea is, though, that you work out beforehand what you're both going to do, so that this doesn't arise.  For this reason, D/s couples tend to have more satisfactory "vanilla" sex, because they are comfortable with talking about what they want.  This level of communication is often carried over into non-sexual aspects of life, and you tend to find that D/s couples are far more stable than their non-kink counterparts.

Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he'll bore you rigid with fishing stories for the rest of your life.


Home Depot (3.71 / 7) (#48)
by dreancha on Mon Jul 29, 2002 at 12:13:03 PM EST

> and Home Depot would be a very different place.

... actually, I buy my rope in Home Depot. :)

d.

Hi. I'm Jabber, and I'm a pervert. (4.43 / 16) (#50)
by jabber on Mon Jul 29, 2002 at 12:29:15 PM EST

There are no numbers on how many people are into BDSM not because it's "under ground", but because BDSM is a continuum entailing virtually all human sexual/sensual/erotic activity. From the most extreme blood-play to having sex through a hole in the bed-sheet, it's as much about power and control as it is about pleasure.

Some people have a fetish about watching women in high heels step on insects. Others have a fetish about wearing leather. Still others are really into breasts or butts, but modern society doesn't call that a fetish, they're simply "breast men" or "ass men".

Society draws a line in the sand between what's kinky and what's "normal", but the winds of aesthetics and etiquette keep moving that line.

The only definition of "normal" or "vanilla" that I can accept, is that "vanilla" people are ones who do not realize that they are not alone in their exploration of sensuality. They lack the unifying vocabulary, they are missing the kink-compass by which they could pinpoint their location on the spectrum of BDSM.

That's not to say that people are at a fixed location, but they should be aware of what is other there. Ignorantly dismissing a potentially rewarding and gratifying lifestyle, just because "God said so" or because "nice girls don't do that" is depriving yourself of great fun. And, if you find you do not like it, well, simply don't do it.

So long as sex is Safe, Sane and Consentual, it is nobody's business but that of the people involved.

This is a good enough article, though not a great one. I voted for it, but can think of much better ways to add a little flavor to the "vanilla" people on this site.

In fact, this would be a great column series. Beginning with the terminology and basic definitions. Going on to a Kama 5utra primer on positions. Proceeding to light bondage, maybe a bit of power exchange. And then we could get into the really fun stuff, like the art of Japanese rope bondage, fire and hot wax, edge-play, interrogation scenes, and for the craftsmen among us, the how-to of making your own leather toys and multi-purpose dungeon furniture.

You know, tie-down rings make great decorative and practical accents on four-poster and sleigh beds, as well as on sturdy coffee and end-tables. Hooks in the ceiling can double as plant hangers and sling/swing supports. Once you open your eyes to the possibilities, you'll never walk through a kitchen supply store again without getting a little horny... The things that can be done with a spatula or a whisk... Oh my!

[TINK5C] |"Is K5 my kapusta intellectual teddy bear?"| "Yes"

Ligottage (2.50 / 4) (#56)
by Alan Crowe on Mon Jul 29, 2002 at 02:02:05 PM EST

There is no mention of restraints being used to prolong sex, in pursuit of a truly squirtaceous climax. Does the author regard being tied up to boost orgasm as not part of BDSM?

Best way to spice up your sex life. (2.11 / 17) (#59)
by jjayson on Mon Jul 29, 2002 at 04:02:52 PM EST

Giving into complete, unconditional love; being so open with your heart, your emotions, and your life that you cannot imagine going any further. It beats out kinky sex any time. The sub has the right idea of complete trust, and the dom takes advantage of the person. Nice relationship. This is also the preferred method of dealing with previous abuse and a myriad of other problems. Yes, call me a prude, but I have better sex than you.

-j
"Even I can do poler co-ordinates and i can't even spell my own name." - nodsmasher
You better take care of me, Lord. If you don't
BDSM is dying. (4.11 / 34) (#60)
by medharn on Mon Jul 29, 2002 at 04:05:33 PM EST

It is now official. Sexcraft confirming: BDSM is dying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered BDSM community when I8P confirmed that BDSM market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all sexual preferences. Coming on the heels of a recent Sexcraft survey which plainly states that BDSM has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. BDSM is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [sexmag.com] in the recent Dominatrix comprehensive sexworking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amdest.com] to predict BDSM's future. The hand writing is on the wall: BDSM faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for BDSM because BDSM is dying. Things are looking very bad for BDSM. As many of us are already aware, BDSM continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

FreeBDSM is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core submissives. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBDSM submissives Jordan "Sissy Schoolgirl" Hubbard and Mike "Pony Boy" Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBDSM is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBDSM leader Mistress Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBDSM. How many users of NetBDSM are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBDSM versus NetBDSM posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBDSM users. BDSM/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBDSM posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BDSM/OS. A recent article put FreeBDSM at about 80 percent of the BDSM market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBDSM users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBDSM Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Crack, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBDSM went out of business and was taken over by BDSMI who sell another troubled OS. Now BDSMI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that BDSM has steadily declined in market share. BDSM is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If BDSM is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. BDSM continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, BDSM is dead.

Fact: BDSM is dying



The real 'medharn' has userid 32762.

oh deary me! (1.83 / 6) (#63)
by gauze on Mon Jul 29, 2002 at 04:22:18 PM EST

You like humiliating people? Tying them up? Pervert!
There's nothing wrong with a PC that a little UNIX won't cure.
If i had to choose (3.00 / 2) (#71)
by zephc on Mon Jul 29, 2002 at 06:14:51 PM EST

between Dom and Sub, it'd be sub, because I'm too lazy to put in the initiative to be a Dom

=P

This makes me wonder... (3.75 / 4) (#75)
by Alias on Mon Jul 29, 2002 at 06:30:38 PM EST

Is a strong desire for domination and/or submission really part of human nature?

And if it is, is it really a good idea to give in to it -- even in a consensual setting?

Stéphane "Alias" Gallay -- Damn! My .sig is too lon

How about some resources? (5.00 / 9) (#77)
by disappear on Mon Jul 29, 2002 at 06:40:05 PM EST

As an active member of the scene, I'm rather shocked that somebody would post an intro like this without including resources for the curious.

The best resource for people interested in the scene are local groups. These local groups often have social activities, educational events, and play parties, among other things. There are many groups across the country, too many for me to list. This list is off of the top of my head, and is comprised largely of east coast pansexual groups because I live there and I'm more familiar with them.

There are also groups that defend the right of consenting adults to act in private: the National Coalition for Sexual Freedom (NCSF) is the big name in this regard, though there are also local groups such as Baltimore AT-EASE.

Finally, while groups are the best resource, most people probably feel more comfortable starting with a book. Geeks may favor Jay Wiseman's SM 101: Wiseman takes a technical approach, has done lots of basic research, and is quite intelligent. The book is somewhat dry but full of useful information. My favorite intro book is Patrick Califia's Sensual Magic, which is in its second edition. It's much more inclusive, and is stuffed with short bits of very hot fiction illustrating various points.

There are tons more resources out there, of course. As with everything, compare notes from multiple places. There's tons of bad information out there... and good stuff, too



pretentious (3.11 / 9) (#87)
by turmeric on Mon Jul 29, 2002 at 07:41:50 PM EST

would you write 'homosexuality: a primer'? no, because that would be silly. just because you like getting spanked doesnt make you especially unusual, interesting, or unique, although clearly large numbers of people in their Mensa-esque quest for 'exalted otherness' will assume it does.

Name the TV show! (2.66 / 3) (#96)
by j1mmy on Mon Jul 29, 2002 at 10:03:54 PM EST

"... the safety word is banana."

The Biology of Dominance (2.66 / 3) (#97)
by Baldrson on Mon Jul 29, 2002 at 10:14:30 PM EST

The pain/pleasure response can seem at first glance to be counter-intuitive, even contradictory - how can anyone take pleasure from pain? Some examples from everyday life might help to illustrate the phenomenon.

I'd start trying to understand this by looking at the differential reproductive rates of those who take "pleasure" from punishment, with separate statistics for men and women.

Hypothesis: Pleasurable experiences of punishment received are an extended phenotype of a dominant person. Take for example the "consent" of the suicidal bee in the following passage from "The Extended Phenotype" by Richard Dawkins chapter titled "Host Phenotypes of Parasite Genes":

"Many fascinating examples of parasites manipulating the behavior of their hosts can be given. For nematomorph larvae, who need to break out of their insect hosts and get into water where they live as adults, '...a major difficulty in the parasite's life is the return to water. It is, therefore, of particular interest that the parasite appears to affect the behavior of its host, and "encourages" it to return to water. The mechanism by which this is achieved is obscure, but there are sufficient isolated reports to certify that the parasite does influence its host, and often suicidally for the host... One of the more dramatic reports describes an infected bee flying over a pool and, when about six feet over it, diving straight into the water. Immediately on impact the gordian worm burst out and swam into the water, the maimed bee being left to die' (Croll 1966)."
Prediction:

Men who are submissive/masochistic will have lower reproductive rates than men who are dominant/sadistic and will tend generally to have lesser genetic dominance than their partners. Women will have the opposite but weaker correlation with reproduction but the same correlation with genetic dominance (ie: tend to be genetically recessive compared to the doms with which they are typically paired).

The main problem with testing this hypothesis via this prediction is determining which relationships are in fact BSDM. There are a great many relationships that are not recognized by the parties involved as BSDM yet are clearly involving profound levels of partner abuse at the genetic level with subtle manifestations of BSDM drive within the relationship.

-------- Empty the Cities --------


D/s is not the be-all and end-all (4.40 / 5) (#103)
by twgs on Tue Jul 30, 2002 at 12:07:45 AM EST

Reading this article irked me.  Nothing against the writer, who gave it a game effort and I am certain meant well, but throughout the article he kept talking about "D/s" as if the term encapsulated any perverted activity one could participate in.  As a self-identified pervert with no interest whatsoever in the traditional roles of "dominant" and "submissive", I can't help but feel that such a summation is a bit facile.

The bigger problem, however, is that the writer is not the first to make this assumption, and that in fact it runs rampant on the Internet.  In fact, what I think is a far more interesting and germane topic of conversation is not simply the existence of what is clunkily termed "BDSM", as the topic is far too broad-ranging to make sense out (believe me, I've been trying for years), but the existence of myriad quasi-dysfunctional Internet communities based on the primacy of the D/s paradigm.  For instance, one thing that fascinates me about the Internet is the so-called "Gorean" community, who base their sexual and cultural beliefs on the often blatantly misogynist writings of a second-rate hack sci-fi writer who goes under the pseudonym John Norman, and in true sci-fi style has written a seemingly infinite series of books about a primitive planet where the men are men and the women are, well, chattel.

If that's what a person truly enjoys and they enter into it with informed consent, mind you, I have no qualms with it, but the size of these communities well exceeds what one would expect from any rational examination of the beliefs and mores of human society.  It is my belief that many people are involved in D/s, especially the on-line roleplay varieties of it, because they believe that it is an integral part of any deviant/fetishistic sexual activity, indeed often that it is the _only_ extant variety of deviant/fetishistic sexual activity.

There is also a parallel here, if one looks, between dogmatic religion and a more nuanced form of spirituality- the Gorean belief structure is very organized and offers hard and fast answers, rules of behavior, a "right" and "wrong" way to do things, which are often very important to someone engaged in a new and often confusing activity.  The fact that it seems to espouse some values which are, to put it mildly, difficult to accept- for instance, the belief in the superiority of males over females- is, at least at first, a lot easier than having to face a widespread array of questions centering around philosophy, sexuality, and identity, none of which have anything remotely resembling a clear consensus answer.

BSDM is like Tupperware (3.25 / 8) (#118)
by genman on Tue Jul 30, 2002 at 02:49:16 AM EST

The BSDM scene somehow reminds me of how housewives used to get together and have Tupperware parties.  "It's not just plastic, it's microwave safe, modern, and fun!  Gosh golly gee!"

Something is just doesn't sit right with how the BSDM'ers want to normalize their behavior.  Personally, I've had had to hear the same shit over and over again about how great and wonderful and natural and fulfilling it is to be into bondage.  It's like we're witnessing the "Bondage pride" movement -- I don't care, fine, whatever, spare me your sexual deviancy (or normalcy, whatever you want to call.)

For me what does it are anime girls, in school girl outfits showing off their panties.  (Me, plus 30-40% of Japanese males.)  Sure, we make plenty of web-sites, but it's not like we're openly PROUD of ourselves.

Maybe someone could explain what all that energy is about.  I think interest and response to bondage mostly results from being physically abused when you were younger; either from parents or other kids.  I think the level of interest in BSDM (and tattoos and piercing) is proportional to the level of abuse one has had -- is that something to be proud of?

Depeche Mode (3.66 / 3) (#123)
by Quila on Tue Jul 30, 2002 at 06:03:34 AM EST

"Domination's the name of the game, in bed or in life, they're both just the same. Except in one you're fulfilled at the end of the day. Let's play Master and Servant" Hope I got the lyrics right, going from memory.

I dont mind other people doing it.. (3.40 / 5) (#124)
by tonyenkiducx on Tue Jul 30, 2002 at 06:27:44 AM EST

But when my girlfriend pulls out a riding crop, a huge dildo and a metal collar, I run for the hills! The thing I've found so far about people who are into that kind of thing, they tend to find people who dont do it boring. And allthough Im sure it IS fun, they tend to find normal sex isnt enough for them, which I think will stunt there ability to find a partner. You cant always ask someone if they like being beaten up on the first date..

Tony.
I see a planet where love is foremost, where war is none existant. A planet of peace, and a planet of understanding. I see a planet called utopia. And I see us invading that planet, because they'd never expect it
Title: BDSM: a sub-culture primer or... (3.20 / 5) (#126)
by mtpa on Tue Jul 30, 2002 at 07:43:30 AM EST

Evrything You Never Wanted To Know About Sex But Have Been Forced To Find Out

"If human beings don't keep exercising their lips, their brains start working" -Hich Hickers Guide to the Galaxy

It only -sounds- kinky at first, dear (5.00 / 6) (#139)
by jet_silver on Tue Jul 30, 2002 at 11:58:32 AM EST

A lot of comments here tend to divide people into two camps, the kinky and the vanilla, and that's not real productive. As in everything I know about the way people behave there's a continuum, but for the sake of argument how about -three- groups: group A contains those who aren't kinky and don't want to know about it; group C comprises those who are kinky; and group B is those who Think Kink but aren't sure how to go about experimenting - and I believe the article's addressed to them.

Covering such a topic in a couple thousand words isn't feasible, so it seems to me Bora is encouraging the group B people to find out a little more, and I'll bet a few of them read this and go to a munch this week - which is all to the good. You won't find many proselytes in the scene and you should view them with suspicion anyway. D/s, like anything that's a matter of taste, is a personal decision and any playmate worth keeping will respect yours.

I only want to add that every decent text (Wiseman is particularly formal about this) emphasizes safety, and understanding how to maintain your personal safety in the D/s scene is something you should hear ad nauseam. John Warren's The Loving Dominant isn't mentioned in the text, but it's full of ideas for budding tops and you won't ever look at a garlic peeler the same way again.

Good article even though the topic is too big for it.


"What they really fear is machine-gunning politicians becoming a popular sport, like skate-boarding." -Nicolas Freeling

We need another option on this poll (4.57 / 7) (#148)
by the original jht on Tue Jul 30, 2002 at 01:39:37 PM EST

Namely, "No, but really could care less either which way" (were this slashdot, the option would be the "I like to whip CowboyNeal" option).  Because I see it this way:

For every BDSM devotee out there, there's a couple of folks who may be interested, a few who may be revolted, but an overwhelming majority who don't play, but don't really care if others do.  That would be my category, at least.

Just because I'm not interested in playing those sort of games with my spouse (or anyone else, for that matter) doesn't make me opposed to them.  It just means that my boat ain't floated that way.  I do like to believe that we're gradually moving into a society that's open-minded enough that most people are happy to let consenting adults do what they will.

Of course, I could be just horribly optimistic.

Though now that I think of it, perhaps Britney Spears could use a little spanking - c'mere, you little vixen... ;-)

- -Josh Turiel
"Someday we'll all look back at this and laugh..."

*sigh* As usual, "switch" is ignored. (3.50 / 6) (#150)
by MsWillow on Tue Jul 30, 2002 at 02:07:57 PM EST

With the discussion of D/s, there's a third category, switch, that's usually ignored. I'm a switch, and it took me forever to figure that out, because nobody seems to think of it.

A "switch", as you may guess, is one who plays both Dom/me and sub roles, and enjoys them both. Both have their perks, and I find that, by having been on both ends of the whip, I'm better at each role. I can be a better, safer, more aware Domme, as well as a better, more pleasing sub.

I first learned about switching online, where the vast majority of women I hung out with were subs. Basicly, two subs, together, just doesn't work ... so, going deeper into subspace, I tried being a Domme, because that way, I could bring my partner the pleasure she wanted. I found that I could be so submissive that I was even able to Domme her, because that was what she needed me to do. It worked :)

For me, though, it works best with another like-minded switch/sub. That way, we both switch back and forth, usually several times a night. The "power struggles" for Dominance can get ... interesting ... Sometimes I give in, just to enjoy the other role for a while, and sometimes, I fight for control just to take my "revenge" on my partner for being such an upstart :)

All in all, it's an interesting game, and one that few in "the community" will even mention.

Jeannette
(btw, yes, Patrick Callifia is FtM. Reading his erotica, I could not see any sign that a woman had written it, and when he finally came out aboiut it, I felt vindicated. Gender is between the ears, not between the legs, and between his ears, he's been a guy all along. Mind you, his erotica is still interesting, just not all that exciting for me, a lesbian.)

I'm an impure woman. The impurities, as in gemstones, are what give me color and character.

"Subculture" (2.28 / 7) (#151)
by ROBOKATZ on Tue Jul 30, 2002 at 02:16:01 PM EST

This "subculture" elitest bullshit about a fetish is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

SM Pride (5.00 / 6) (#152)
by Pallandozi on Tue Jul 30, 2002 at 02:25:29 PM EST

Once a year a group of English BDSMers dress up in
their finest leather; their boots and pony tails
and floggers, and they parade through the streets
of London carrying banners.

It is known as the SM Pride March.

Why do they go to all that effort?  Is it just to
get an "Ooh we're so naughty" vibe?  What are they
protesting about?  What is it about BDSM that they
think there is to be proud about?

I'll tell you.

It is about death and about pain and about
oppression.  It is about a society that would
rather let young men and women die than allow
simple 'how to' safety information to be published.
It is about gay men being sent to jail for
consenting to BDSM play - they called it "aiding
and abbeting grevious bodily harm".  It is about
the joy a couple get when after 30 years
of  marriage they finally talk to each other
and discover what they have been missing.

BDSM is not wrong.  For some people it is just
part of them.  It isn't a fad or a daring statement.
It is just the way they are and it can
be as filled with love as any other way.

That any activity done safely, with free and informed
consent, and with a sane caution as to how it will affect
everyone in the long run, is ok, is a simple
message.  It shouldn't need people marching
on the streets to keep it alive.  Unfortunately
in this case it does.  Because there are a load
of bigoted fuckwits out there.  Because the press
likes a nice juicy sex interest story.  And because
mothers lose their children, teachers lose their
jobs and houses get firebombed when those stories
get published.

http://www.spannertrust.org/documents/spannerhistory.asp

In the privacy of your own home (2.72 / 11) (#169)
by Weakon on Tue Jul 30, 2002 at 05:57:25 PM EST

What people do in the privacy of their own homes is still fucking disgusting.

Good job, just one thing... (3.00 / 1) (#172)
by Melankolic on Tue Jul 30, 2002 at 07:33:01 PM EST

I don't mean to be rude, but it's "Sade", not "de Sade" Good article-- interesting and about a topic that needs to be given more attention...

Author response (5.00 / 6) (#179)
by Bora Horza Gobuchol on Tue Jul 30, 2002 at 09:49:02 PM EST

Thank you to everyone who responded to my essay. I must ask your indulgence again in responding to the many points raised - some insightful, some misinformed - in my single post.

I knew when setting out to write it that this essay would be considerably more controversial than my last one, and thus more likely to generate extreme views. I set out with several limits in mind:

  1. The essay would be relatively short - not more than 2500 words. I didn't wish to make the article multi-part (as interesting as that approach might have been), in case one of the parts was voted down, thus ruining the continuity of the piece. My goal was to make the article informative, basic, and brief. For that reason, I couldn't dwell too long on any one topic. .
  2. I did not wish to write an apologia or a defense of D/s. Nor did I wish to give the impression of an elitist "more wicked than thou" tone (which I find rife in the D/s community). Some objected to the term "subculture", but I feel the definition of the term fits D/s perfectly: "an identifiably separate social group within a larger culture, especially one regarded as existing outside mainstream society" .
  3. I knew that some would find the essay distasteful (indeed, there was a suggestion early in the edit process to have the story moved to a section, rather than the front page). I also knew that any warning about its content would meet with its own set of objections. I took the second, safer path - despite which, some posters acted as if they had been forced to read the essay at gunpoint.
The posts that disappointed me most were those that stated that I was trying to make something "special" out of D/s. Of all of these, I felt tumeric's statement the most artfully put - that what I wrote was as pretentious as crafting an essay titled "Homosexuality: A Primer".

In response, I would say that if we were living in the 50's, I would write such an essay, in order to counter the misunderstanding, bigotry, and fear associated with the subject. We are not in that era, fortunately - but I see D/s being handled in our society in much the same way as homosexuality was fifty years ago. The evidence is below me - in those posts that equated, without any proof, that an interest in D/s lay with being abused as a child, much as it was once believed that gay men were "made" by their mothers dressing them in girl's clothes at a young age. Neither belief has any basis in fact (as a purely personal example, neither I nor my partner were abused), yet the belief continues, because it is easier to swallow than the fact that D/s is simply an innate part of some people.

When shining a light into a darkened corner of society, some people run like cockroaches. An attempt to introduce a reasonable, even-handed discussion of homosexuality in classrooms, in order to promote understanding and tolerance (in part by explaining that it's simply a way 10% of the population live their lives) brings screams of "They're teaching homosexuality to our children! What makes gays so special?" Much the same response is visible here.

Similarly, despite being very careful to state that D/s is consensual, some took the approach that somehow a Dom/me takes "advantage" of a sub. It might be useful to make this comparison: if your Significant Other really likes giving oral sex, are you "taking advantage" of her predilection if you let her do it to you? Would you try to force her to do something else, even if it disappointed or frustrated her? Or would you try to work with her? If the latter, how is that different from tying up someone who gets off being bound?

I wish to make it very clear - I am not promoting D/s as the "one true path to orgiastic bliss". I was not attempting to make D/s anything special or revered, nor imposing it on anyone, nor attempting to make it some kind of "umbrella" over kink (the debate over whether infantilism "belongs" as part of D/s, for example, doesn't advance anyone's understanding). I was merely attempting to shine a light.

One factor that could have lead to the "elitist" impression is the fact that I did not give many outside references - possibly making the piece appear monolithic and insular. I thought that the few references I did give would be enough to start anyone on a safe avenue of exploration. Neither did I wish to start an argument about which books belong in a D/s "canon". I am therefore especially grateful to those who came forward with book, group, and resource suggestions.



-- "Don't criticise. Create a better alternative."
Snitch (5.00 / 2) (#184)
by BDSMsnitch on Wed Jul 31, 2002 at 01:25:59 AM EST

I am posting this under a bogus account because I don't want anyone figuring out who I am.

The BDSM (or D/s if you prefer) community has some honesty issues to work out. That is not to say that many people (perhaps even most) are not honest but rather a few bad apples spoil the barrel. Let me give you a few examples of people who are active in the local scene that are less than honest.

A high level regular tends to arrange encounters with his doggy for those who play with him, a topic that he does not believe warrants prior disclosure when playing with others. Another regular has a handful of diseases he has contracted over time which he does not bother to disclose (and will outright lie if asked directly), adding insult to injury he flaunts the protected sex practice of most of the community. Yet another regular, who mercifully seems to have vanished lately, has had legal problems in the past with kidnapping, assault, and stalking including prison time. I could list many, many more but the point is made.

The local scene has organized for fifteen years with the typical support group style organization with a couple local clubs with more or less the same faces. Some of them seem to be good people, many of them are trouble with widely varying degrees of severity. It is much harder to tell the difference than it seems at first glance.

My advice is to forget about the scene and stick with screw the roses, send me the thorns while working with knowledgeable people on an individual level. Or keep at the BDSM level and don't sleep with some of those bastards until you have time to learn the dirt. BDSM is a fantastic thing that becomes problematic when mixed with support groups. BDSM remains as safe as it ever was but the "community" also leads you to a high-risk environment for sexually transmitted diseases and mentally defective wannabes.

Have fun out there and keep in mind not everyone is truthful or interested in keeping things safe, sane, and consensual.

I am sure that if the right people read this they could figure out exactly whom I am and whom I am talking about. If you are one of them and this post bothers you, fuck you. This doesn't violate the Discretion Policy so just try and make it an issue of it.

Some further information (5.00 / 2) (#189)
by Nice2Cats on Wed Jul 31, 2002 at 06:37:37 AM EST

Some additions:

"DS" only refers to a subset of sadomasochism, as do "SM" (sadism-masochism, "pain"), and "BD" (bondage-dominance, "tying people up"). It is unfortunate that the original poster decided to use DS instead of "sadomasochism" or the internationally accepted short form "BDSM".

The extreme legal situation described here applies to Great Britian and the U.S. only, where the lack of a constitutional right to privacy and the 18th century trial-by-jury systems generally make life hard on sexual minorities. Sadomasochism is perfectly legal in the Netherlands and Germany as well as in Japan and France. The groups there such as BDSM Berlin e.V. in Germany meet openly and without the fear that is mentioned here. The best overview on the situation in Germany can be found at Datenschlag, which also has an extensive timeline on the history of SM (and, thank God, no popups). The National Coalition for Sexual Freedom (NCSF) is fighting to change the situation in the U.S., but faces an uphill battle against Christian fundamentalists.

While we are in Germany: The idea that BDSM is a sign of mental illness goes back to the German proto-psychiatrist Richard von Krafft-Ebing. His book Psychopathia sexualis 1886 is now considered an example of how not to do science. The first hard statistical data was collected by another German, Andreas Spengler, in 1979. His Sadomasochisten und ihre Subkulturen showed that sadomasochists were not mentally ill loners like Krafft-Ebing and Freud had assumed, but in fact showed no abnormal behaviour outside of the bedroom.

Later studies have shown that the majority of sadomasochists tend to switch, and differ from the general population only in that they are in average better educated, though this might be a selection basis. Most funding goes to studies of homosexuals, who have a stronger lobby (and, to be fair, have been hit far harder by the AIDS epidemic).

The definitions of Sexual Sadism and Sexual Masochism were changed in the fourth edition of the "Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders" (DSM-IV) of the American Psychiatric Association in 1994 so that consensual sadomasochism is not considered a disease today anymore than homosexuality is. There is a major push underway to get it kicked out of ICD-10, too. There are rumours that the "Journal of Homosexuality" is planning an issue on sadomasochism.

The U.S. subculture tends to see switching as a quasi-political question, which is reflected in the original article; in general, American sadomasochists tend to be more dogmatic than their European counterparts, who traditionally have also produced better literature: The classic novel is the French "Story of O" by Pauline Reage. The French have a whole host of philosophers who were sadomasochists, such as Michel Foucault or Jean-Jacque Rousseau. The best prose introduction the subject in any language is from Passig and Strübel "Die Wahl der Qual", which is in German and unfortunately has not been translated to English - it is funny, gives a good overview of the history of the subculture and research. If you read one book on the subject, read this one.



Interesting S&M Practices (none / 0) (#228)
by 2chance on Fri Aug 09, 2002 at 02:02:07 PM EST

I read about a "mistress" who was paid to take her client out into a public place, have a wild argument, and then kick him in the groin full blast with big black leather pumps.

And I've heard that some men like their mistress to administer an electric shock to their penis.

What life events can turn you on to BDSM? (none / 0) (#229)
by 2chance on Fri Aug 09, 2002 at 02:10:24 PM EST

Is one's desire for BDSM caused by nature or nurture?

The Happy Hooker cited a couple possibilities.

She noted that many of her S&M clients were autocratic managers whose jobs involved being very controlling and strict with their employees and that submission was a way of balancing the scales, so to speak. I wonder if there are certain professions where people are more likely to be interested in S&M?

She also noted a story about a man who requested that she dress up as a German SS officer and force him to engage in sexual activities. Apparently the reason this man requested this was because this is how he lost his virginity in a German war camp. Maybe people who were abused when they were young are more likely to be interested in S&M?

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