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R.I.P. Audiogalaxy

By kennon in Internet
Fri Jun 21, 2002 at 07:05:23 PM EST
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As you've probably already heard, Audiogalaxy decided to settle out of court with the RIAA for a lot of money and now is blocking ALL songs. While I'm sure they're working on ways to stay in business, I'm guessing that most of their users will be gone within a couple of weeks.

I was a programmer at Audiogalaxy for almost two years; read on to learn about the history of Audiogalaxy and hear my opinion about why Audiogalaxy was a cut above the rest of the peer-to-peer apps.


I began working at Audiogalaxy while I was a computer science student at the University of Texas at Austin, after answering an ad on the computer lab wall. This simple ad led me to one of the most life changing experiences I've had.

History
Audiogalaxy started out as the Borg Search, an FTP search engine written by Michael Merhej. While working in the physics lab at UT, Michael met David McArthur, and they decided to go into business together as Audiogalaxy. Initially AG was just the FTP search, but soon they decided to start offering free web space to musicians who wanted to promote their music. Artists or labels could use the web-based interface to post their mp3s onto the site so that anyone could download them. Along with articles and reviews by a small music staff, AG began to grow.

About 3 months before I was hired, Napster hit the internet. Michael and David realized the power of p2p apps and decided that a system like that would be a great way to distribute the mp3s already hosted on Audiogalaxy. And with that realization, the Audiogalaxy Satellite was born.

Two design decisions were made at the beginning which set the Satellite apart from every other p2p app that I've seen (more on this later): use a web based interface, and queue songs for delivery later. Michael wrote most of the code for the windows satellite client, and Tom Kleinpeter, another programmer, wrote most of the code for the linux-based satellite server.

By the time I was brought on board, the satellite was enjoying a modest amount of traffic, something on the order of 500-600 people connected at any one time. Already I was amazed at the range of music that was available, most of it stuff that I'd never heard of. Through the forums on the website, the AG community began to form. Several early members were artists themselves and released all of their music onto the satellite system.

The initial web interface to the satellite was functional but not very pretty or efficient; I was hired to create the new interface. Although there were a few other web programmers from time to time, I was there the longest, and I'd guess that I ended up writing over half of the web code.

After a couple of false starts with some really horrible interfaces (there are alot of things you CAN do with javascript, but you really shouldn't!), we settled on the current system, which has been in place for quite awhile.

It was extremely gratifying to write code that was being used by so many people (by the time I left AG, we were getting 80-90 million page loads a day!). I'm really glad that they decided to take a chance on a relatively inexperienced programmer; I learned quickly and I'm proud of the work I did there. It convinced me that I really did want to be a software developer. On a side note, to those people who say that you don't learn anything you need to know for your job in college, I want to mention that the CS program at UT is excellent, and almost every day I learned concepts and techniques that directly helped me in my job and vice versa. If you're looking for a world-class CS education on the cheap, check it out.

Towards the end of my time there, online advertising budgets fell through the floor and we were forced to find other methods of income. Sometime around then we began bundling so-called spyware into the satellite installer, simply because they paid good money and nobody else was. Despite all the accusations and misinformation flying around, the satellite always gave you either the option of not installing the spyware, or told you quite clearly what it was doing in all caps at the top of the readme that was automatically displayed (yet usually ignored). We all disliked having other software go along with the satellite, but we had to make money somehow and tried to make it as transparent as possible.

During my senior year at UT I decided to quit AG to focus on school (and I'm glad I did; Intro to Operating Systems just about ate my lunch!). I was sad to go but knew I needed to focus. That was about nine months ago, although I have kept up with my friends who still work there.

Technology
As far as technology goes, we used PHP/Apache/MySQL/Linux, and I'll bet that AG is one of the highest traffic sites using that combination. I had never heard of PHP before Audiogalaxy, but now its my language of choice. I think it's a great language for what it was designed to do, bind together C extensions with an easy way to lay out HTML (Some people are trying to do alot more with PHP than they should!). I had to learn alot about scaling scripts and database tables; things that might work at 1,000 queries a day can often fail at 10,000,000 a day. We also had a linux client before most other p2p systems.

Corporate Culture
The corporate culture there was great; between the music staff and the programmers there were about 15 of us, and it was alot of fun working with other bright, young, musically-inclined people. AG was always very efficient with its money; most of the people working there were college students, and we weren't paid as much as we might have been at another dotcom, but I was making way more then I would have been delivering pizzas, and I got to work on something I really believed in. I've realized more and more how important that is. The office was modest, although in a great location in a cool part of Austin (A couple blocks from Waterloo Music; I wonder how many CDs I bought those years...I probably don't want to know.) Occasionally Michael would take the company cool places but for the most part was very frugal with money. All-in-all, I think that they were very smart financially; we weathered the "dotcom bust" quite well.

I really enjoyed working at AG. My hours were very flexible and I had a great boss. It was interesting to see when different people came in; the music staff generally worked daytime hours but a few of the programmers came in the evening and coded all night, to dodge the Austin traffic (which can be horrible during rush hour). My work schedule was pretty fragmented since I was going to school full time, but that was the norm since most of the staff was also enrolled at UT. It was kind of funny to hear the CEO of the company gripe about his spanish class!

Online Community
After the initial functionality of the website, I'd say that probably 90% of the code I wrote was not related to actual file sharing. We spent immense amounts of time and effort developing the community aspects of Audiogalaxy. There were comment boards attached to almost every entity on the site, as well as groups. Groups were designed to bring listeners of similar genres together, and by all accounts, were a rousing success. Each user had her own profile page that could be customized to show their favorite artists and styles. A vibrant community sprang up through all the different groups and genres. While there was certainly a fair amount of useless posts, there also was quite a bit of good communication going on. We also implemented a web-based instant messenging system.

One of my favorite features gave you the ability to see which users had used the site in the last 90 seconds, broken down by country or state. Its fascinating to look and see people from all over the world that you can talk to.

Besides the community features, our music staff also actively reviewed music and wrote lots of articles. While the writers often were overly vitriolic and suffered from acute cases of music snobbery, most readers failed to realize that much of their disdain for music was designed to make the reader mad. It always amused me how someone would spend 15 page loads posting messages saying how much he hated Audiogalaxy and the writers.

Our whole direction as a company was not to merely provide file sharing services; we wanted to have a community of music afficianados actively seeking out new music. As I mentioned above, I bought a TON of CDs while I worked at AG, and virtually all of them were from music I found out about and previewed as an mp3. It was amazing to be talking to someone about their favorite band that you saw listed on their profile page, queue it to your satellite, and by the end of the conversation already be listening to that music. For several bands that are now some of my favorites, I went from never having heard of them to loving them in literally 5 minutes. From discussions I've had with many of my friends, they had similar experiences. The whole system made it easy to find new music; that was what it was designed to do, and at its height it did it brilliantly.

The RIAA Cometh
During the summer that Napster was sued by the RIAA, we followed the case closely. We realized that any legal decisions made in that case could directly affect us. Sometime after that the RIAA contacted us and we engaged in negotiations with them. We started actively blocking songs that they asked us to (although they didnt ask very efficiently; each member label had its own format of text file or access database containing artist and song names, and the RIAA just sent us cd-r's full of disorganized data. it took a person just about full time to import all this data, despite a system we set up that would allow them to do this easily.)

As most people with a clue realize, it is extremely hard to filter digital media. Unless you have a person sitting there listening to an mp3, you have no way of knowing that an mp3 titled "unsigned band - lame song.mp3" is actually nsync's latest hit. At first we had simple text matching, but users are obviously smart enough to figure out how to rename files in ways that make sense only to humans. After increasing pressure from the RIAA, we actually went to an extremely complex system based on a checksum digest of the first megabyte of an mp3. I wasn't involved in its implementation, so I'm not exactly sure how it works, but I do know it was quite effective. After this level of filtering, the general consensus was that AG was only good for live, unreleased, and non-copyrighted material, which is what I prefer anyway (and it was REALLY good at this; have you ever tried to find a live version of scream the sound by the emerald down on gnutella? Not gonna happen.)

In any case, we put alot of effort into complying with the RIAA. We honestly were not trying to be rebellious music pirates; we wanted to provide the infrastructure for a vibrant music community. This effort on our part I'm sure bought us a few months.

The Suit
If you havent skimmed the RIAA's suit against Audiogalaxy, I would suggest that you do. Its a brilliant case of misinformation. It alleged that AG was woefully inadequate at stopping piracy, and in a classic quote, mentions that AG's filtering system "could have been done better by a first year programmer". It also alleged that Audiogalaxy existed solely to profit off of copyright violations, and thus should pay back royalty compensation.

As I've tried to establish in this article, AG provided extensive extra value to its users. But it doesnt really matter; the RIAA is a 3000 lb gorilla, and even if AG had tried to fight this in court, perhaps they could have won some sort of victory but it would have been pyhrric at best. The RIAA has the money to stomp anybody smaller, and they're showing what they can do. Unless backed by a truly large corporation with pockets a mile deep, I really don't think any p2p company is going to be able to stand up to the RIAA.

But the RIAA is doing exactly what it was designed to do; protect the interests and business model of its member recording companies. Its doing this brilliantly. Its true that they won't be able to stop peer-to-peer applications for good, but they will be able to stomp on the companies or individuals who create them for a long, long time. And they have the patience to keep stomping. Theyre playing whack-a-mole with an infinite supply of tokens.

Why Audiogalaxy Was Better
When I say that I think Audiogalaxy was the best, most people think I'm just biased. Maybe I am, but there were features that I truly believe set it apart

First off, the music indexing was excellent. The satellite client would parse mp3 filenames for an artist name and song name, and would check to see if the system had seen those names before. If it had, it would assign that mp3 an artistID / songID, so that if anyone chose that combination of artist and song, the system would know who had it, even if they were of differing file names. This made song selection a breeze because the system had a good idea where different songs were. While there was a large amount of junk text, the system did a good job of cleaning it out regularly.

Because the indexing worked so well, that meant you could queue up a song and the system had a good idea of where to find it. It would look for someone who had a file with the same artistID/songID pair, and then alert the two clients to begin the transaction. Once you began downloading a particular file, it would make sure you would only get the file with that specific file size/check sum. Doing it this way also allowed the satellites to resume easily and transparently. It was awesome to jump on the web site before you went to bed, queue up a few hundred songs, and when you woke up in the morning most of them were there. You didn't have to care about who had the songs, it did that for you. I can't stand having to micromanage my downloads, having to pick 5 different versions of a file to assure myself of getting one of them. Some of the newer p2p apps are much better at this, but still none can compare.

I really enjoyed the fact that AG was web-based; it allowed us to distribute new features instantly (and also provided me with a job :)). While we did have to update the satellite client from time to time, this was relatively infrequent. The other advantage of the web-based system was that you could leave your satellite running at home, but if you thought of something you wanted while you were at school you could jump on a school computer and queue it up so it would be waiting for you when you got home. I used it this way alot, actually.

The client was actually safer than most p2p apps, as well. It did not actually leave ports open all the time, but periodically queued the system to see if it needed to begin a transaction. If it did, it left the port open just long enough to connect with the other client. The other advantage of doing it this way was that one of the clients could be behind a firewall and initiate the connection, even if it was the one receiving the file.

The best part about Audiogalaxy, though, was the community. As I've also heard other people mention, you really could find an amazing array of music on the satellite. I was exposed to incredible amounts of wonderful, independent music that I never would have heard of otherwise. It was unparalleled at providing rare and live music. There was almost never something I could not find. I bought a ridiculous number of CDs while I worked there, because I found out about music that I wouldn't have otherwise.

Conclusion
To this day, I still have not found any other system that provided as seamless a union between meeting people who like your kinds of music and finding new music itself. Sure, lots of other systems let you trade files, but Audiogalaxy created a community.

I'm sad to see Audiogalaxy go, but it was a crazy trip while it lasted, and I'll never forget my time there.

Kennon Ballou
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R.I.P. Audiogalaxy | 124 comments (119 topical, 5 editorial, 0 hidden)
WYAP2PAWBCK (1.25 / 16) (#4)
by /dev/trash on Fri Jun 21, 2002 at 05:33:49 PM EST

Wow, Yet Another P2P Application Written By College Kids.

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Audiogalaxy as the local underground bookstore (4.82 / 17) (#7)
by bbuda on Fri Jun 21, 2002 at 06:31:08 PM EST

Audiogalaxy was easily the finest of the 'first generation' P2P clients. I was lucky enough to stumble on it early on, and was one of the top 100 servers on the AG for a long time (back when the website kept those statistics).

As the author mentions, AG was the only place to find a lot of lesser known music. But AG didn't only host underground artists; through the newer 'recommendation' features, I discovered hundreds of new artists, many of whom are now among my favorites. Finally, the 'groups' feature allowed users to automatically receive files recommended by other users; this was the first example of the 'push' technology that was the rage in the mid-Nineties being used effectively.

It seems on the other hand that services like the defunct Napster and the current reigning king KaZaA represent a 'McDonaldization' of music; hosting mostly well known pop, and much of it in poor quality or improperly organized or named. AG's server indexing technology not only encouraged both a standardization of artist and song names (filtering out the crap), but it put Joe's Garage Band on equal footing with U2, with perhaps a link of recommendation between the two. It always seemed to me that AG's users were simply more intelligent or had a more cultivated taste then those of Kazaa or Napster, and I am certain it was the structure of the AG software itself that attracted this musical 'upper-class'.

All in all, I am sad to see AG go; while what they were doing was likely illegal, Audiogalaxy was the first realization of what the digital music revolution was supposed to be: not just teenagers stealing the new Britney CD, but a community of music lovers exploring the vast range of lesser-known music to be heard. Hopefully both the next-generation P2P networks and eventually the industry can see the market in providing a forum for artists from all niches.

Holy cow! (4.57 / 7) (#8)
by spiralx on Fri Jun 21, 2002 at 06:37:03 PM EST

While the writers often were overly vitriolic and suffered from acute cases of music snobbery, most readers failed to realize that much of their disdain for music was designed to make the reader mad.

Where the hell do I get a job trolling people for money?!

You're doomed, I'm doomed, we're all doomed for ice cream. - Bob Aboey

Great (1.41 / 43) (#9)
by DeadBaby on Fri Jun 21, 2002 at 06:49:20 PM EST

Maybe your next peice of software can figure out a way to steal from another industry. Music and movies are about done, maybe you could start stealing from writers? There's yet to be a good theft based p2p system for e-books. Maybe you could start stealing college courses somehow? I know some schools have their own internal video feeds and whatnot. Maybe you could organize riots in the major cities?

Really, I think you should look into it. There's a lot of content out there not being stolen by people and it's your job to make sure it is.

Thanks
"Stay up late, smoke cigars, and break windows" - Tom Waits

what of the code? (4.77 / 9) (#15)
by blisspix on Fri Jun 21, 2002 at 08:44:13 PM EST

I would love to see AG's code adapted to create some sort of open source system for locating library materials and out of print books.

current antiquarian book searches are clunky, library catalogues have z39.50 which is great, but not everyone has access to that.

This could also dovetail nicely with plans for digitising out of print works by making those works easier to locate.

the system could also be used to query the catalogues of music stores. I work in a music library and it's a real pain to have to call 10 stores to ask, "Do you have X work by X composer, with X orchestra, and X conductor?"

I miss AG. I've always bought lots of music anyway, but AG gave me something more to go on than just what a band's description is when buying sound-unheard online.

So what are the most popular P2P apps now? (4.60 / 5) (#18)
by Artifice on Fri Jun 21, 2002 at 10:04:27 PM EST

Seems to me that with the demise of one after another of the P2P apps that depend in any way on a central server, the more radically decentralized ones will become increasingly popular.

I downloaded Gnucleus yesterday, and spent a little time checking it out, but it's clearly not in the AudioGalaxy league. (I was an AG user until a couple weeks ago, when they forced users to update to a new client that REQUIRED acceptance of spyware. The article's author either doesn't know about this, or neglected to mention it.)

Gnucleus is intriguing -- it's totally open-source, based on Gnutella, and not dependent on any one central point for functionality. But the quality of files available is nothing like what was on AG -- perhaps because it's newer, and the "network effect" hasn't amplified its usefulness to the same degree (i.e., not as many people are on the system).

Anyone out there have any good or bad stories to share about other file-sharing systems?

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Thanks (4.80 / 5) (#19)
by deadbeat on Fri Jun 21, 2002 at 10:09:40 PM EST

It's awful that Audiogalaxy is shutting down. It truly was a one-of-a-kind program in a sea of identical P2P programs. The "sounds like" feature for every artist is truly a killer app. I found so many great artists through it, and now I've fooled all my friends into thinking I'm actually some sort of indie music guru. Thanks and I hope something will come along soon that takes the Audiogalaxy model to the next level.

Riaa fighting for people.. (4.85 / 7) (#21)
by phidauex on Fri Jun 21, 2002 at 10:47:28 PM EST

Who don't want to be fought for... What does this mean for the artists who WANT their music shared on p2p systems? Artists like Wilco, and Afroman, and many more, who give their art away, because they care more about having people hear it, than about making huge money on it. The mechanism was in place for the RIAA to choose music they didn't want put on audiogalaxy, and have it blocked, but it is way out of their jurisdiction to force other artists to go along with their wishes.

I didn't even download music put out by RIAA artists. I downloaded mp3 versions of songs I buy on vinyl, because I don't want to spend the time recording and encoding them myself. Audiogalaxy was great for that because of its unique group of users. I could find obscure old ninjatune tracks, interesting ambient tracks, etc. Stuff put out on white label, or small indie labels.

Its almost as though RIAA is crushing p2p systems (and internet radio!) as a way to muscle out people who don't belong to their group. If you are an independent artist, screw you, you can't get your music out by p2p or internet radio, even if you WANT to. The only way to get out there is to join the evil empire, and give up all rights to your music, and live with tiny royalties and oppressive licensing contracts.

At least we have gnutella (sort of).

interesting choice of words (4.41 / 12) (#24)
by techwolf on Fri Jun 21, 2002 at 11:31:41 PM EST

So-called spyware

from where I was sitting it sure looked and acted like "Real" spyware

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." - Thomas Jefferson

"so-called spyware" (5.00 / 22) (#28)
by DarkZero on Sat Jun 22, 2002 at 12:50:20 AM EST

so-called spyware

I actually have to agree with the author in thiscase. "Spyware" wasn't the most accurate name for what came bundled with Audiogalaxy. Whereas Gator and that stupid purple ape thing are "spyware", the stuff that was bundled with Audiogalaxy was more like having Back Orifice or some other "I 0wNz j00" trojan on your system. Rather than just tracking which sites you visited and reporting back to its home company, Audiogalaxy's spyware actually reported your web mail, credit card numbers, address, and whatever else you decided to put into a form back to its home company.

The RIAA disgusts me, but the people from Audiogalaxy almost reach the same level, especially since this author's "hey, it pays the bills" justification is probably the exact thing that was going through the RIAA's mind each time they've sued a P2P software company out of existence. In both cases, the companies are doing whatever it takes to keep making money, and it's the average person that's getting screwed over by their actions while the more technologically literate among us just head elsewhere.

The outcome was the fairest thing I've ever seen (3.50 / 8) (#29)
by Paul Murdock on Sat Jun 22, 2002 at 01:13:31 AM EST

I don't understand how you can justify complaining. Audiogalaxy is still allowed to provide a medium for people to exchange music. People who wish to have their music exchanged via Audiogalaxy may make their music available. Those who do not are no longer troubled by piracy.

Those musicians who believe that file sharing is going to benefit them will most likely be eager to give permission for their work to be shared. It's simply the difference between "opt-out" and "opt-in", and I know how everyone on k5 feels about "opt-out".

By far the most illogical thing you've said in this article is that Audiogalaxy did not exist solely to profit from copyright violation. If this was true, you could in no way justify the claim that the recent court case spells the end for Audiogalaxy, since all they've done is prevent the company from opening an avenue for people to share copyrighted work[1] without the owner's permission.

[1] I should point out that all creative work is implicitly copyrighted, thus the owner's permission is always needed.

Why not just move the servers offshore ? (3.25 / 4) (#38)
by salsaman on Sat Jun 22, 2002 at 05:06:01 AM EST

n/t

Open Source (4.75 / 8) (#41)
by Vader82 on Sat Jun 22, 2002 at 08:59:45 AM EST

You say the company is basically doomed.  If they are going to have to close up shop why not make the entire audiogalaxy system freely available?  Back when napster was getting sued people were using napigator to connect to opennap servers and still are.  Why not let other people set up audiogalaxy servers to store the db and website?  That way even if audiogalaxy inc goes under some college kid with bug bandwidth can set up another site and he and all his buddies can use it.  Think it could happen?
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intro to OS (3.00 / 2) (#44)
by f00b4r on Sat Jun 22, 2002 at 12:38:56 PM EST

Hey kennon, maybe we were in cs372 together. fall 01 Mootaz.

Revised dotcom business plan: (2.33 / 3) (#46)
by spacejack on Sat Jun 22, 2002 at 01:12:14 PM EST

1. Give away other someone else's content for free.
2. They buy you.
3. Profit!


There are more places for free music (3.00 / 1) (#54)
by Deft on Sat Jun 22, 2002 at 05:11:49 PM EST

And by that I don't mean "should be free" music, or anything like that.

I don't pretend to know enough about this issue to comment directly, but I'd like to point people toward Ampcast.com, which provides only independent music. And by that I mean unsigned (mainly anyway I think) bands, who have chosen to let anyone download (either stream or full download) their music. Ampcast also enables you to buy music directly on CD, as well as giving information and much else about each band.

Having said all this, I've hardly used it in the last few months, so who knows... There are probably similar others anyway.



Now the RIAA have my money... (3.00 / 1) (#57)
by MisterX on Sat Jun 22, 2002 at 05:22:25 PM EST

Can I have some decent new music please? I'm sick and tired of having to hop around p2p networks downloading rare old music because there's nothing new that I like. Well OK, I like the look of Britney but I have no desire to listen to her music.

I gave AG money. AG gave RIAA money. RIAA share money with artists. Artists produce good new music. Everyone's happy with the new arrangement, surely?

When can I have my decent new music?

Nah, rhetorical question. There's always WinMX...

AG was utterly fabulous (3.50 / 2) (#82)
by Perianwyr on Sat Jun 22, 2002 at 11:52:31 PM EST

I've moved back to IRC for file trading now. A shame, I missed AG's utter efficiency. I had just gone to a VNV Nation concert and wanted to hear the at that time yet to be unreleased "Beloved"... there it was, from San Francisco. Fine stuff. Whenever I wanted to hunt down a single, it was always there on AG.

The RIAA have done a silly thing. I always figured that AG's emphasis on single tracks rather than the leeching of entire albums would help it in the RIAA's eyes. Indeed, it was one of the few P2P services I actually felt comfortable serving on. I'd put one favorite track up from each of my favorite artists and leave it at that. It worked. People downloaded. If they were anything like me, they went out and bought that Futureperfect CD (and both Beloved singles) the instant they came out.

All was well.

Oh well.

On Spyware (2.50 / 2) (#84)
by tlhf on Sun Jun 23, 2002 at 12:21:52 PM EST

AudioGalaxy was the best system, more underground bands, great for us 56 modem victims, yada yada... it was great... yada yada yada.

But, I was very disappointed with the forced recent upgrade of the satellite client software which was bundled with spyware. They added insult to injury by not adding new features. I found that you could just patch the old version, 0.608, via a simple hex edit; changing offset 0x11714 of AGSatellite.exe from the hex value 38 (ascii 8), to the hex value 39 (ascii 9).

I agree with the above poster that such blatent commercialism is no worse than anything the RIAA has done.

tlhf
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Congratulations (4.00 / 1) (#92)
by agapow on Mon Jun 24, 2002 at 04:34:43 AM EST

AudioGallaxy was a good bit of work. Where using Napster and it's kin is/was largely a matter of working around the software, the web-based front to AG was a dream. For a long time it was my first port of call to check out an artist I'd been recommended or heard some buzz about. Still, once the Napster ruling came out, it was only a matter of time.

Thanks Kennon, and good luck for your future. AG was good work.

The Ten Year Trend (4.00 / 1) (#98)
by xtremex on Mon Jun 24, 2002 at 02:59:46 PM EST

I've always believed in the 10 year trend. Every ten yeras music goes thru a revolution of sorts. You had the late 60's early 70's rock movement. Then you had the early-mid 80's new wave, punk, metal movement, in the 90's we had the grunge phenomenon. Between those periods, there is always "chaff", some stuff is good, but more often than not, it's crap. I believe we are in the "crap zone". There are very few songs, bands, etc that actually intrigue me. We need a new music "revolution". I, for the most part, stopped buying new CD's around 95-96. It wasnt a conscious decision. I found nothing that was really worth my money. When more bands start producing stuff that is worth my money, and stop producing filler, I will start buying again.There are exceptions. I will buy stuff from people that I have always been fans of. The European Underground also produces some really good stuff (Dimmu Borgir, etc), but Alas, I have never bought "commercial" music. I'm definitely the minority in that sense.

Spyware (3.00 / 1) (#109)
by WowTIP on Tue Jun 25, 2002 at 10:19:56 AM EST

Sometime around then we began bundling so-called spyware into the satellite installer, simply because they paid good money and nobody else was. Despite all the accusations and misinformation flying around, the satellite always gave you either the option of not installing the spyware, or told you quite clearly what it was doing in all caps at the top of the readme that was automatically displayed (yet usually ignored). We all disliked having other software go along with the satellite, but we had to make money somehow and tried to make it as transparent as possible.

Oh, I didn't see any warnings (in license or readme)concerning the very nasty VX2.DLL (or here) that infected my computer via Audiogalaxy. And, yes, I always uncheck the "bonus offers" checkbox in the installer.

We all disliked having other software go along with the satellite, but we had to make money somehow and tried to make it as transparent as possible.

You know what? you could have closed the shop like any other business that is not lucrative. "We had to make money".... Is that a good excuse for as-close-as-it-comes-to fraud? I bet there is still zillions of people having that evil little .dll, not knowing it, thanks to you guys. But you sure did succeed in making the installation of that trojan "transparent". Good work.
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riaa making a big mistake (none / 0) (#112)
by chia on Wed Jun 26, 2002 at 07:23:58 AM EST

without doubt AG was the best p2p software ever. i swapped from napster to AG and was stunned by how more userfriendly it was at the time.

some comment on the RIAA: by closing down the centralised P2p networks they are forcing ppl to move to more and more decentralised networks, fasttrack for example and maybe eventually freenet. the thing they(riaa) dont understand is this is extremely *bad* for them as they are effectively losing more and more control over file sharing. if ppl go to freenet eventually they will be completely screwed. you may say well they(riaa) will set up their own p2p network then but history shows us that ppl dont tend to move from a network until forced to and noone will be able to force ppl from freenet (in theory). they should have taken a note from MS rather - embrace and extend.

My advice to AG would be to adopt freenet as it's network and create a AG satellite freenet client.
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AG Linux Client (1.00 / 1) (#113)
by Blaest on Thu Jun 27, 2002 at 01:11:27 PM EST

Anyone know if there was any spyware bundled with the linux client?

Oh, no. Surely you don't believe that? (none / 0) (#121)
by roswell on Mon Jul 08, 2002 at 07:01:52 PM EST

The client was actually safer than most p2p apps, as well.

You must be joking. This was the client that posted users' passwords on Google! Name another p2p app that did that.

Audiogalaxy *was* the best (none / 0) (#123)
by CozmoTrouble on Thu Jul 18, 2002 at 12:41:31 PM EST

Hands down, it was the best MP3 client. I miss it dearly. Having written a search/indexing client for my own collection, I have come to really appreciate what went into making Audiogalaxy. As a serious collector of music / audiophile / musician, (I have over 2000 titles on vinyl, cd and cassette) I loved how Audiogalaxy search function worked. One of the best parts was the listing out an artists works by title (as opposed to popularity which is how most other clients work). I am generally not interested in the tunes that are most popular, I am interested in the rare tracks, the "B" side tunes that didn't make it to the album, the tunes that I have never heard before. Besides, most of the music that I am interested in didn't get much commercial radio time, if any at all. Frank Zappa or Mr. Bungle for instance. A lot of the time I didn't even know that these songs even existed, let alone knowing what to search for. So in that respect Audiogalaxy rocked. The other part that I loved was the ability to get *everything* that an artist did. If you sorted the songs by title you could grab everything you wanted. Like the article stated, you could que up a few hundred songs and set it on auto-pilot. Often times, if you just grabbed everything, you would end up with live studio tracks and bootlegs. Just like a box of chocolates, you never know what you were going to get.

R.I.P. Audiogalaxy | 124 comments (119 topical, 5 editorial, 0 hidden)
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