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My world of Nicotine -- a HOWTO of chew.

By Profane Motherfucker in Culture
Wed May 08, 2002 at 07:54:01 AM EST
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The shit has its hooks in me. I've tried every form of the substance known to the white man since the 1600s. In my house at this moment, I have a tin of snuff, a pack of Lucky Strikes, and a tin of Kodiak.

I smoke, but chew is my preferred medium -- and for good reason.


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Even to a pathetic smoker, the world of chew is one of gauche depravity. As one who partakes of the Lucky Strikes whilst boozing, I don't understand why. There's little more disgusting than having the smell of a burning plant cling to your every pore, soil your clothing, and yellow your fingers.

Chew, on the other hand, only yellows your teeth, and soils your social reputation. Quite the fucking improvement, I must say.

One chew manufacturer has an iron-grip on the market
Unlike cigarettes, where selection is bountiful, here in the United States, one manufacturer monopolizes the chew market in a way that makes every Microsoft and Verizon exec crap his pants with glee. American Tobacco -- the godfather of the chew business. They sell Copenhagen, Rooster, and the ubiquitous Skoal brands, which, by my guess, are at least 90 percent of the market. Conwod Company produces my preferred brand, Kodiak. They also produce Xtreme, a debutant in the chew field.

As one who has tarnished his lip with every brand sold at the local Cigarette Outlet, I shall impart this nugget of knowledge: they all do the job. What doesn't do the job is the cheapass ghetto shit that one is tempted to purchase when it comes down to buying some dip, or doing laundry. Never settle for any of the bush league shit. They cost a hell of a lot less, but the quality is so substandard, it's a disgrace. If you wish to fatten your lip with a known carcinogen, at least have some dignity: get a decent can of chew.

The Nomenclature of Chew
Chew comes in two basic forms: fine cut, or snuff as it's sometimes called, and long cut. True snuff is for inhalation, but in this case snuff refers only to size of tobacco -- puny. Copenhagen bucks this trend by offering a mid-cut that splits the difference. Fine cut is pure shit. Don't bother. The stuff has the consistency of coffee grounds, and tends to find its way into every gap of your teeth possible -- from incisor to molar. Cleanup is a nightmare. I don't understand how one can chew it. The stuff is all over the mouth. Tame that chew! I stick with long cut.

If the can sitting on my desk is a good representative sample, long cut ranges from 2mm to 4mm shards, about .5mm thick -- like a mechanical pencil lead. Once in the lip, it stays put. That's what you want.

American Tobacco has a splendid color-coding system for their chews: silver topped cans contain fine cut, and gold-topped cans contain long cut. This is handy when the clerk hands you the wrong chew. You can accost her as she stares blankly at the rack. Yell "Gold top! GOLD TOP!"

A substandard chew, like Rooster or Red Seal, will have a wide variety of size in one can, neither long cut, nor fine cut. They also seem fond of filling the tin with stem pieces. That is not quality control, quality assurance.

An odd duck in the mess are Skoal Bandits. Unless you are in high school, or trying to hide this from your wife/girlfriend/employer, this is not recommended. Even if you are trying to hide it, better options exist. I'll explain this later.

Skoal Bandits have the tobacco in little teabag-like pouches, about 2cm long, and 1 cm across. The idea being that one can ditch the bag, having easy cleanup and none of the turf tooth that comes with normal chew disposal.

Not only do they have a shitty value, giving you precious little nicotine and tobacco, but the stuff in the bags is of such poor quality that I get pissed just thinking about it. I cut one open once, and the fucker was full of what looked like sand, sprinkled with chew. I had to stuff so many in my mouth just to get any buzz that my $4 can was gone in under three hours. This defeats the purpose. Perhaps they're good for weaning yourself, in the horrific event of quitting, but I've never tried that.

It's like a carcinogenic Baskin Robbins
As flavors go, the selection is rather simple: minty ones, and everything else.

In the Skoal line:

  • Wintergreen
  • Mint
  • Spearmint
  • Cherry
  • Classic
  • Key
  • Straight

    In the Copenhagen line:

  • Classic (unflavored)
  • Bourbon (only available in mid-cut)

    For Kodiak:

  • Wintergreen
  • Ice
  • Xtreme (which is technically it's own brand, but I include it here just to simply things).

    Straight, Key, and Classic, among others, require a bit of explanation as to their flavor. Straight: a sweet, tangy mix that has a molasses flavor, spiced with a touch of mint. That's my best guess.

    Key: Industrial Strength unflavored, dosed with a hefty shot of ammonia to increase its pH and enhance nicotine delivery. The taste and odor are offensive, even to a long-time chewer like me.

    Classic: Unflavored tobacco. I see zero difference between Skoal Classic, and Copenhagen Classic.

    Bourbon: A rather new entrant from Copenhagen, taking the idea of things like Tequiza or Desperados beer, and applying it to chew. It has a bourbon flavor. If one is trying to chew surreptitiously, avoid this at all costs. You will be mistaken for an alcoholic, as the smell in your cubicle will resemble that of a Jim Beam soaked drunkard.

    Xtreme: Wintergreen flavor.

    Ice: Same as Mint.

    Among the mint family, the differences are subtle, but readily apparent once you throw a pinch in the lip. Mint is a peppermint flavor -- strongly peppermint. The other two, just as their names imply.

    The perfect dip explained
    Brand and flavor preference aside, there's only one-way to obtain a good dip: proper packing. If the chew is loose in the can, it will be loose in your mouth. You want that dirty wad packed tight. I do this:
    Grab the tin of chew in your hand, holding its circumference with your middle finger and thumb, making a C shape. With your index finger relaxed on top, give the can two or three quick snaps. This does two things: the action of your wrist forces the chew along one edge, and the finger motion shakes frees the loose pieces from the side whereby they can become compacted. It also creates a thumping sound, announcing your addiction to the rest of the world.

    Ritual is key here, just as with smoking. Think of this like packing your smokes. It establishes you as an initiate in the world of cancer and lymphoma.

    Now the chew can be enjoyed.

    I take rather large dips, by virtue of my addiction. Size is entirely a matter of personal preference, but for maximum effect, grab a dip about as large as the pad on your index finger. I tell people this because large people tend to have large hands, and therefore need a larger dip to obtain the proper effect, and vice versa.

    Placement
    Placement is key. Two locations work best: lower lip, right along the gum directly in front, or immediately opposite this on top. Putting a chew in your upper lip next to your incisors is only for when the lower lip has been chewed raw, and is too tender. I find that the upper lip is more sensitive, and therefore more effective for nicotine delivery, but it looks extremely base. Only do this in private. I'm doing this now, because you cannot see me. But in public, or on the jobsite, I opt for the more socially acceptable lower lip.

    Any derivation of location has consequences. Failure to place the dip in the center will result in Chew Migration - a malady where the chew hops up over the teeth, and into the mouth at large. I hate the shit in my mouth, so I've learned to avoid this. Please, take my advice. You're not a ballplayer; so don't try the side mouth. That's a disaster waiting to happen. If you swallow your chaw, you will vomit.

    Disposing of juices
    Only the diehards swallow. Don't be a hero. Don't swallow. You will vomit.

    Spit.

    A pop can with the top pushed in works well to spit into, and can be easily disposed of. I use a coffee cup sometimes, a mason jar in a jam, or a beer bottle if I'm hitting the sauce. At the movies, or in your cube at work, a fountain pop works best. Spit into the straw. This can be left on your desk, and it traps all the odors. Getting your technique just right so you don't overload the straw takes some practice, but this method is by far and away the incognito way to spit. It looks as if you're sipping some rather thick Coke.

    Dechewifying your mouth
    A moderate size dip will last about 30 minutes. You can go longer, but the flavor is gone quicker than with a piece of shitty bubble gum. I've yet to find an easy, clean method for doing this. With rare exception, I just grab the chaw out of my mouth and throw it into the sink, and rinse with some water. Some chew aficionados will use their lips and tongue to spit the chew out, but I find that this leaves a great deal of residue, and rinsing is still obligatory. Nevertheless, do be polite. I personally don't care if you drop the load into a drinking fountain, or restroom sink, but others might. Moreover, since they probably think you are an unwashed savage just by chewing, don't give them any ammunition.

    Parting thoughts
    It took me about a year to develop a hardcore psychological addiction. Cans cost from $3.50 to $4.50, depending on your locale. Though it's cheaper to purchase a log (10 cans in a roll), I find this practice too gauche and too shameful. I'd rather go quietly, one or two cans a time.

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    My world of Nicotine -- a HOWTO of chew. | 123 comments (101 topical, 22 editorial, 1 hidden)
    It was my understanding (3.00 / 2) (#7)
    by cyclopatra on Tue May 07, 2002 at 11:21:57 PM EST

    ...that snuff is for snorting, which might explain why it doesn't work for chewing. This is borne out by a quick search on snuff, which shows it being hawked separately from chewing tobacco, and as a 'nasal tobacco' product (which sounds awfully strange, but there you go).

    Cyclopatra
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    Why I'm voting this up (4.76 / 13) (#11)
    by maveness on Tue May 07, 2002 at 11:59:26 PM EST

    NOT because I think chewing tobacco is cool. Please, let me assure you, as a card-carrying female person, that I cannot imagine ANY combination of good looks, Einsteinian brilliance, wicked humor, and/or heart of gold would induce me to kiss a person with a chaw.

    Allow me to be clear: yuck.

    The explicit detail of this article pretty much does my work for me. It might be improved by a couple of links to really graphic pictures of diseased mouths, but we can leave that as an exercise for the reader.

    Profane, my man, I wish you well, but I gotta wonder why you would deliberately sign yourself up for this remarkably repulsive habit. Doesn't life offer up sufficient opportunities for shame and rejection without purposefully seeking them out? Or is it easier just to blame the chew?

    *********
    Latest fortune cookie: "The current year will bring you much happiness." As if.

    -1 What's next? (2.73 / 15) (#14)
    by ShadowNode on Wed May 08, 2002 at 12:21:06 AM EST

    • My world of Petroleum -- a HOWTO of huff
    • My world of Bulimia -- a HOWTO of purging
    • My world of Bleeding -- a HOWTO of cutting yourself


    Oh well, at least the detrius of your bad habbit doesn't give everyone else cancer.

    +1 FP hell yeah. (4.80 / 10) (#16)
    by bakuretsu on Wed May 08, 2002 at 12:47:15 AM EST

    This is far and away one of the most candid glimpses into a filthy and disgusting ritual that I have ever seen. Bravo!

    Why I voted it up?
    It establishes you as an initiate in the world of cancer and lymphoma.
    Need I say more?

    This is a well written article that doesn't take itself too seriously and even manages to hint at the widespread opposite viewpoint. Merely imagining Profane Motherfucker dipping into his can of Skoal and squirting the cancerous juices down a straw makes me even less likely to ever try such a thing.

    Once again, bravo.

    -- Airborne
        aka Bakuretsu
        The Bailiwick -- DESIGNHUB 2004
    why i changed my mind (3.40 / 10) (#21)
    by three-pipe on Wed May 08, 2002 at 01:28:43 AM EST

    see, i hate destructive habits, especially addictive, profitable, and slicky-marketed ones. and tobacco has all that in spades.

    so, for those reasons i was going to vote it down. heck, the tobacco lobby/marketing department do a good enough job of that, why do it for free on kuro5hin?

    then the sheer disgustingness of the article hit me. i think every grade 6 kid should read this essay and realise how sick tobacco use is. and that includes the grade sixes reading kuro5hin.


    -chad \\ warfordium.org \\
    Good for you! (4.40 / 10) (#26)
    by xriso on Wed May 08, 2002 at 01:50:08 AM EST

    I congratulate you for prefering a habit which does not involve giving other people cancer or making you smell like crap.
    --
    *** Quits: xriso:#kuro5hin (Forever)
    This is an *optimistic* estimate... (3.63 / 11) (#27)
    by xymerian on Wed May 08, 2002 at 02:08:43 AM EST

    ...of what your mouth will look like after extensive chewing. In some cases, the lower lip can actually be eaten away.

    Be sure to see the before and after pictures! :)

    -xymerian

    +1 for the memories... (4.00 / 4) (#28)
    by Mzilikazi on Wed May 08, 2002 at 02:21:32 AM EST

    My tobacco consumption is restricted to one or two cigars every year, which is basically how long it takes me to forget how bad I smell afterwards. But this article took me back...

    I've always lived in Memphis, Tennessee, and while I've never touched the stuff, dip was a part of life while I was growing up. A lot of the adults I knew (and some of the teenagers) used the stuff, and while I understood the risks associated with mouth cancer and whatnot, it was always a lot less annoying than cigarette smoking (which my father did), but not nearly as blissfully delicious smelling as pipe smoking (my best friend's father). God, I haven't heard a good WHOMP-WHOMP-WHOMP packing sound from a can of Copenhagen in years. Guess I travel in different circles now, or it's just not as common...

    I do recall that in the gas stations around here you were able to get cans of ground-up beef jerky that were the same size and shape as a can of dip. You could then "dip" the beef jerky, though swallowing was presumably a much more pleasant experience than doing so with dip. ;) In retrospect, it was kind of an irresponsible product to sell to kids... Kind of like "Big League Chew" (shredded bubble gum in a tobacco pouch) or candy cigarettes (haven't seen one of those in ages, and unlike the other two examples, they tasted like crap). But it was a lot of fun.

    Hey, because I don't pay attention to the tobacco rack at the gas station, do they still sell those "Skoal Bandits", which are basically like little tea bags with dip in them? I never knew anyone who used them, and always thought they were kind of weird.

    Cheers,
    Mzilikazi

    Skoal Bandits... (4.00 / 5) (#34)
    by deefer on Wed May 08, 2002 at 04:53:21 AM EST

    Made headlines over here in the UK a while back.

    Banned within a year, IIRC. I was a bit too young at the time, but the cynic in me suggests that it wasn't as much the health concerns (that the government was hanging the ban on), but more that the tax on them was much lower. Bearing in mind a 20 deck will set you back about £4.50 these days, that's a lot of tax revenue to lose, especially as the anti-smoking lobby was gathering momentum at that time.

    It's odd to see the UK governments' relation to smoking. On the one hand, the government runs anti-smoking public campaigns, yet profits massively from the sale of tobacco. Although the fairly recent cave-in over tobacco companies being allowed to continue sponsoring and advertising at motor sport events straightens that one out somewhat...


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    Get the girl.
    And save the entire planet.

    What a wad of flavor (3.50 / 6) (#35)
    by imrdkl on Wed May 08, 2002 at 04:57:37 AM EST

    Yes indeed. The forgotten spitcups, the stained t-shirts, the long brown streaks down the side of the car, the telltale ring in the back pocket of my blue jeans...

    High school wouldn't have been the same without copenhagen. I now prefer kodiak (red, not the wintergreen shit) but I cut my teeth on copenhagen. Great story, even if it didn't require much research.

    Heard Robert Earl Keene's song about dip? Garth covered it, but Keene does it best.

    Cool stuff... (4.00 / 4) (#38)
    by mirleid on Wed May 08, 2002 at 05:34:04 AM EST

    ...very well written, amusing, informative. Total thumbs up from me. The only thing is that you bash my favorite addiction, snus.

    Snus is kind of comparable to chew in little bags, although the flavors are different. My favorite is Goeteborgs Rape, and I dont really know whether you can get that stuff in the US, but, if you're curious, you can order it on the web at The northerner.



    Chickens don't give milk
    Swedish snuff (4.54 / 11) (#39)
    by JanneM on Wed May 08, 2002 at 05:49:34 AM EST

    In Sweden it's very common to use "wet snuff", or snus. Having lived in the US, there are some differences to the stuff you are talking about. It is fine cut, just as the stuff you disparage, but it is wetter (or maybe just fresher) so it stays together instead of spreading out all over your mouth. Also, it's not usually as heavily flavoured as the american stuff.

    Usually, you take a pinch and squeeze it into a ball about 1cm in size. The most common place to put it is under your upper lip, slightly off-center. After using this for a period of months, the pressure and the chemicals will form a slight indentation where you always put it, helping it stay in place. For whatever reason, I never feel the need to either spit or swallow (and neither do any of my friends who use it) as the body quickly adjusts and does not produce excess saliva anymore in response to the stuff. I tend to have one piece in for about 1-2 hours before the effect wears off. Also, there are seldom any problems with getting rid of it; it stays in shape and is easily removed without making a mess.

    The advantages of snus is obvious: you do not harass anybody else with smoke; you don't have disgustingly smelling clothes; and it does not (contrary to popular belief) cause cancer. No, not even mouth cancer - recently the warning labels were changed in Sweden as the evidence against this assumption became overwhelming. Another advantage is for the nicotine-addicted traveller - anybody who's seen the distress of a heavy smoker during an 8 hour flight knows what I mean.

    The disadvantages is that it does increase the risk of paradontitis (?)- i.e. loosening of the teeth. Also, if you plan to kiss someone, you either stay away from the stuff for the evening, or make sure you're dating someone who's also a user. In my youth, I once saw a happy couple making out during a party by moving a ball of snus between them during kissing... To each his own I guess.

    Snus is of course not a good thing to use - no drug is. If the choice is between using snus or smoking, however, the choice should be pretty clear.

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    Cancer (4.00 / 8) (#43)
    by jgk on Wed May 08, 2002 at 07:19:23 AM EST

    I thought chewing tobacco caused cancer far faster than any other method of using tobacco... I think both mouth and on the inside (stomach, etc.).

    I think this led to massive unpopularity and it may be illegal lots of places if I'm right it would explain why there is a monopoly.

    Apparently snuff (the snorted tobacco) is the most addictive.
    Gore Vidal is cool.
    Red Man [TM] (4.00 / 7) (#45)
    by Da Unicorn on Wed May 08, 2002 at 07:49:35 AM EST

    Wow, that was very interesting, funny, entertaining, etc.

    I just bagged a 3 pack a day Camel Filters habit.

    Before I got on those I smoked cigars and chewed RedMan chaw. You didn't mention it or I missed it in there.

    Redman was so unlike regular snus that its more of a class of its own. Super long cut? It didn't migrate in the mouth much and looked more like shredded wheat than "normal" chew.

    My grandfather always said chewing tobacco ensured your stomach would remain free of parasites. He chewed Copenhagen Gold and I never saw him spit or remove a chaw. He even ate with it in his lip.

    While I enjoyed the story I would be a very happy man if no one ever took up the tobacco habit again. It is a nasty habit regardless of the delivery system. After 35 + years of tobacco addiction at one level or another I can truly say it was not worth it and advise anyone to waste your money on wild women faster horses and good whiskey. Shit forgot I don't drink anymore, either.

    Now where did I put that heat gun?

    Da



    A poem that my father used to say (4.77 / 9) (#46)
    by pyramid termite on Wed May 08, 2002 at 07:57:00 AM EST

    Love is sweet
    But oh, how bitter
    When you kiss the lips
    Of a tobacco spitter
    On the Internet, anyone can accuse you of being a dog.
    Amusing anecdote (4.26 / 15) (#48)
    by eann on Wed May 08, 2002 at 08:35:46 AM EST

    Apparently, some airlines interpret regulations to ban the use of all tobacco products on domestic flights within the U.S. A dedicated chewer I once worked with had this to say to the flight attendant: "Okay, I understand smoking, because it smells bad and there's a health risk. But I've never heard of anyone getting cancer from secondhand spit."


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    yeah, better than cigarettes... (3.54 / 11) (#50)
    by skermit on Wed May 08, 2002 at 09:09:54 AM EST

    because instead of losing your lungs in 10-20 years, you first lose your taste, sense of smell, and then parts of your tongue/lips/gums until you look like a heroin'ed out addict with lesions and sores worse than a case of the gift that keeps on giving (herpes). oh yeah, but that CHEW... mmm... tastes good! assmonkies...
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    Good article (3.33 / 3) (#51)
    by CrazyJub on Wed May 08, 2002 at 09:39:00 AM EST

    Being an ex-smoker, I can relate to this guy's POV. Chewing isn't as popular here in Canada as the US, must be a southern thing.

    Trust me kids, this is NOT something you want to start....try heroin, it's easier to quit!

    The side mouth.. (4.66 / 6) (#53)
    by farmgeek on Wed May 08, 2002 at 09:54:40 AM EST

    I've found that holding it in the side mouth works much better for me.

    It doesn't make your lower lip bulge out giving the monkey man look, and the surface area is larger, so you can pack more in there.

    The unfortunate side effect of this, is that I've stretched a pocket in one side of my mouth, so food likes to sneak down there when I'm eating.

    Fine cut (snuff) is the only way to go.  You just have to make sure you get a FRESH can.  Which means it's no more than a week old, or it has been stored in a freezer (as my local gasoline/smokes/liquor store does).  This is especially important for those brands that use cardboard cans (Copenhagen).  If for some reason you get stuck with a stale can, a thimble full of whiskey will give the can some renewed life.

    You also missed the other method of using snuff, which involves getting a twig from a black gum tree, chewing the end of it up until it's fuzzy and then dipping the end into a large can of Peach Tree brand snuff.  That's the way my grandmother did it, back when real men smoked and only women used snuff.

    Dippers Anonymous... (4.33 / 3) (#54)
    by kb3edk on Wed May 08, 2002 at 09:55:59 AM EST

    I've been dipping for three years now - did it because I didn't like cigarettes. I'm addicted to nicotine, but I also have been known to exercise from time to time and the shortness of breath that smoking causes is much more annoying than a sore lip now and then. I don't dip at the office - I dip at home, two or three times a day. I find it a much more manageable form of addiction then smoking - when I smoked, it was half a pack a day and I used to take "smoke breaks" all the time. My girlfriend doesn't know I dip and I'm currently undecided as to whether to actually tell her or not...

    Great Article (4.58 / 12) (#57)
    by Wah on Wed May 08, 2002 at 10:16:36 AM EST

    I had no idea there was so many holier-than-thou people around here. Oh, wait, yea I did.

    Anyway, as a smoker (who will quit or die, and then die anyway) it's always nice to see people who hold no illusions about their habits. And if you're going to do something wrong you might as well do it right.

    Anyway, thanks for the informative article. Maybe next time we should have a primer on how to go out, get blasted (in public, no less), and hook up with a nice fine lady (or so she looked last night). Then the holy rollers around here will have some more ammunition to fuel their jealousy guns.
    --
    Choas and order, flowing down the drain of time. Ain't it purdy? | SSP

    I can't imagine (3.42 / 7) (#58)
    by Dphitz on Wed May 08, 2002 at 10:16:37 AM EST

    taking up a habit where the downsides can range from nasty-ass breath to having part of my head removed because of cancer.  But then again, it is so appealing watching people spit smelly brown crap into a cup or bottle, or finding someone's old spit cup or wad of chew on the ground, sink or fountain.  

    I imagine the author doesn't enjoy being addicted to nicotine.  I would have liked to have seen some examples of the negative side of this habit.


    God, please save me . . . from your followers

    It's all about the nicotine, baby (4.50 / 4) (#60)
    by Sir Rastus Bear on Wed May 08, 2002 at 10:23:50 AM EST

    Nicotine is one of the most addictive things I've ever run across. To get it out of my life, I had to redefine my entire lifestyle.

    I started dipping to quit smoking. I figured it would be was easier to quit chewing cold-turkey than it would be to quit cigarettes. It worked for me, but if I had to do it over again I'd use the nicotine gum, or walk around with about 15 of those patches on my arm.


    "It's the dog's fault, but she irrationally yells at me that I shouldn't use the wood chipper when I'm drunk."

    It's official. (2.87 / 16) (#66)
    by Mr. Piccolo on Wed May 08, 2002 at 11:41:28 AM EST

    With this story K5 has jumped the shark.

    The BBC would like to apologise for the following comment.


    Sounds... (2.87 / 8) (#67)
    by m0rzo on Wed May 08, 2002 at 11:45:35 AM EST

    ..like the most vile, uncouthe habit known to man. Disgusting.


    My last sig was just plain offensive.

    Speaking from experience as an ex-smoker (4.54 / 22) (#72)
    by pexatus on Wed May 08, 2002 at 12:35:34 PM EST

    I think a lot of people get in to habits like this as part of some sort of empty rebellion.  You find new smokers (or chewers) bragging about smoking the way college undergraduates brag about drinking.  Then they get hooked, then some decide they'd rather not be doing it, but can't quit, so the empty rebellion stays on board as an excuse.  I remember my fellow smokers in classes going out and smoking with me after a long test, and all the nonsmokers would walk by with those looks on their faces that said, "you dirty bastards".

    So we'd talk about what brands of cigarettes were better, and we'd practice blowing smoke rings, and tell cute stories about how our lack of aerobic ability gives us trouble walking up the stairs.  We'd see those "Just Eliminate Lies" commercials on TV and everyone would chuckle and say, "That makes me feel like having a cigarette," and we'd go outside and smoke and pat ourselves on the back for demonstrating that the commercials didn't work.  Anything to convince ourselves that we really meant to be doing this, that it was still a choice we made, and the people who thought it was a dirty habit, they were just narcs who wanted to trample our rights.

    I saw some comment below that said it's "nice to see people who hold no illusions about their habits," and how someone should do an article about picking up girls, and then all the holy-rollers could have ammunition for their "jealousy guns" again.  Hold no illusions about this:  people not addicted to nicotine are not jealous of people who are addicted.  I spent most of my time as a smoker jealous of people who didn't smoke.  I actually wanted cigarettes to be outlawed, because if smoking required the same expense and effort of hiding from view that smoking pot did, it would have been easier to quit.

    Tobacco is poison, and it should be outlawed.  People can talk all the shit they want about how they should be allowed to make their own choices, and they aren't harming anyone else.  The fact remains that people do not have the free will they think they do.  I saw a Seinfeld episode opening once where he talked about "morning guy" and "night guy," and how "morning guy" really hates "night guy" for making him stay up and be tired in the morning.  We are slaves to our situations and to the emotional and physical pressures that our body exerts on us.  Tobacco delivers a chemical, nicotine, that exerts a STRONG pressure to make us do something stupid like inhaling smoke.  You'll never see a lung doctor walk around behind his car and take a hit off the exhaust pipe, but you'll see plenty of them light up a smoke.  The reason he doesn't do the former is the same reason he shouldn't do the latter, and yet he does anyway.  He's not stupid; it's an addictive drug, i.e. a leash.

    I hate to think what the young readership of K5 is taking from this article.  Intelligent though I was, I probably would have read this when I was 16 and thought it was a great article, and it was something I ought to do despite The Man and his attempts to curb my free will.  Because after all, addiction is only something that happens to those with weak mental discipline.  I had the willpower to do anything.

    Well, that was in the nighttime of my life, and now the cold light of morning is here.  And though I was finally able to quit, morning guy is still rather pissed at night guy for all the money wasted ($3/pack * 1 pack/day * 365 days/year * 5 years = $5475), all the 24-hour colds that took 72 hours to get over, all the hacking fits in the morning, all the workouts cut short because I couldn't breathe worth a damn.  Should we be allowed to make free choices?  Of course.  Are we always able to make free choices, even when their is no authority there to order us around?  Unfortunately, our biochemical nature means that a chemical can have more authority than any government.

    Dave

    The reason I chewed. (3.80 / 5) (#74)
    by cicero on Wed May 08, 2002 at 01:19:37 PM EST

    I attened a boarding school, one of those places that re-define privacy and introduce you to shitty cafeteria food at a horrendously young age. At that school, it was very difficult to get away with actually smoking. Sure, we had our ways (one such way required the cover of dark and involved an empty soda can, with the top spun around), but they were involved, and only managed to provide for cover during the actual act of smoking. they did nothing for the smell to our clothes, skin, and room in general once we were done.

    anyway, chew was just so easy to get away with. Chew in the showers, just spit down the drain. Chew on the toilet, just flush it down the toilet. Chew in the room, just be sure to empty your spitter before room-check. easy as cake.

    I can't count the number of times I've popped pusy cancerous little things in the inside of my lips though. And my teeth. My mouth is crowed enough already, but after chewing for a month I always felt my bite changing.

    But if you are addicted to nicotine, I would suggest using this stuff over any sort of inhalent. For me at least, it was easier to quit.


    --
    I am sorry Cisco, for Microsoft has found a new RPC flaw - tonight your e0 shall be stretched wide like goatse.
    Request for Clarification (3.00 / 1) (#96)
    by Canar on Thu May 09, 2002 at 01:03:00 AM EST

    It's like a carcinogenic Baskin Robbins
    For the ignorant among us, myself included, what is a Baskin Robbins?

    As Norm MacDonald once said.. (4.00 / 2) (#106)
    by Your Moms Cock on Thu May 09, 2002 at 03:07:07 PM EST

    In reference to cigarettes and cigars...

    "I'd rather be sucking on the small white cocks than the large brown cocks."


    --
    Mountain Dew cans. Cat hair. Comic book posters. Living with the folks. Are these our future leaders, our intellectual supermen?

    Idle Minds (4.00 / 1) (#110)
    by blacklite on Thu May 09, 2002 at 10:51:47 PM EST

    I did chew a few times, one boring summer, over drinks and roleplaying games. It's horrible stuff, but I enjoyed it at the time. A few weeks later I discovered some sort of bump on the inside of my lower lip and deep down I wondered if I was going to die or something. Wonderfully written stuff. Observations on weird phenomena of modern-day life are exactly what I like in the culture section.
    If you'd like to e-mail me, don't laugh.
    Copenhagen freak! (none / 0) (#119)
    by birdsintheskytheylooksohigh on Sun May 19, 2002 at 08:26:01 AM EST

    Repulsed in the past from pictures of damaged gums and mouths, chewing tobacco was something I always refused when offered. After reading this article, however, I happily rushed out and bought my first tin of Copenhagen the day following my grin reflecting from the surface of the monitor,  the chew article underneath. I'm switching to chew. It's very nice! Not only does it pack a punch as far as nicotine is concerned, but it's very easy to bring into environments where smoking would not be allowed. When I bought my first can from a freezer section, I carried it around during the day and put it into the freezer at home to keep it fresh, removed it during use and again returned it (repeat process). Do I have to worry about mold growing in this since it's very moist in a closed container? My concern about this possibility (and freshness factor) led me to this ritual.

    I'm very surprised at the small amount of chew it takes to provide a very intense rush of nicotine. A very good article, Mr. or Ms. P.M. Thank you for sharing your addiction with us, as well as the disgusting consequences of such a nasty habit. In closing, I'd like to say that I'll be thumping my can of Copenhagen with a smile and sneer about whatever crowded room I'm in, slurping my nico-treat until I'm able to quit one day.

    (While I may be cheering about this new found treat, this is NOT a recommendation to those reading this to try this or any tobacco product if you do not already do so. Don't be stupid, don't start!)

    Chewing tobacco is a safe alternative to smoking (none / 0) (#124)
    by slkyk on Sat Jul 06, 2002 at 05:26:45 PM EST

    For the record, I am not a user of tobacco of any kind, but I do have a interest in studying the cause of cancer and cancer research in general.

    It seems evident to me that there is no proof that the use of chewing tobacco products causes cancer of any kind.

    The study most often used in anti-tobacco sites to back up the claim is a a 1981 study published in The New England Journal of Medicine. The study found an oral-cancer rate of 26 per 100,000 among long-term users of smokeless tobacco, compared to 6 per 100,000 among nonusers. Thus, the argument that "one is 4 times more likely to develop oral cancer using chewing tobacco.."
    Not only is this study highly critized for using questionable scientic methods; They also fail to mentioned that oral cancer is in fact EXTREMELY rare, both in users and non-users.

    Even more interesting, later studies in Sweden (1997) and UK (1999) found NO increased oral cancer rate in users of chewing tobacco and snuff.
    In fact, the Swedish study found FEWER cases of oral cancer among snuff users than non-users. The disparity was withing the margin of error, but it suggested again the chewing tobacco products do not cause oral cancer.

    Longevity studies in Sweden has also shown that even a heavy user of snuff has an life expectancy of 80.9 years, vitually IDENTICAL of that with non users.

    I find it extremely intellectually DISHONEST when anti-Tobacco organizations claim there is a link between oral cancer and snuff use.
    For instance, when the show photos of people suffering of oral cancer, they claim that is proof of the effects of snuff use.

    The fact is that it the photo is just of an individual who also happened to use chewing tobacco products, but with NO scientic link btween the cancer and the fact that he did use these products.
    Even an innocent child can develop oral cancer, but is a extremely rare and relativly highly treatable cancer.

    So I am yet to see any conclusive evidence that chewing tobacco is cancer causing at all.
    In fact, for individuals already addicted to nicotine, I would suggest that the government encouraged switching over from smoking to chewing tobacco, the latter being a far healthier product.

    Warning labels on chewing tobacco has been REMOVED in several European countries, and for good reasons. The same should be done here in the US.  

    chewing tobacco is NOT safe (none / 0) (#125)
    by xzap on Mon Dec 30, 2002 at 06:51:45 AM EST

    I live in India, and tobacco is THE item of choice (as against ciggies etc) here and has been for centuries, especially in rural India, where about 7/10 males use tobacco.

    There are 2 cancer surgeons in my family and a cancer physician. My uncle was recently diagnosed with oral cancer and had to have his jaw removed. During this time,when I was with him, I had a chance to interact closely with the said doctors and specialists. Apparently oral cancer constitutes a huge majority of cancer cases in all Indian cancer hospitals and invariably (the doctors said 9/10 cases) are people who have been using tobacco.

    If you google around, you will probably find enough data to prove this. Later maybe, I will write a story about it. Tobacco is not that widespread in the U.S and that is why people think it is safer that ciggies. But in India, it is the other way round. Believe me I have seen my uncle suffer before, during and after the operation. It is hard for him to take down any solid food now and his speech has distinctly deteriorated. Tobacco is as unsafe as ciggies, probably more, and while I do not know much about the effects of lung cancer, let me tell you that it cannot be any worse than oral cancer.


    Remember the unique wonder and terror of life, and knowing it, live. - adequate nathan

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