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Crystal Meth Will Lift You Up Until You Break

By m0rzo in Culture
Sun May 05, 2002 at 01:49:00 PM EST
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Methamphetamine is swiftly beginning to infiltrate the dance-floors of the world. The drug, known to induce psychopathic tendencies in its users, is thought to be more dangerous than crack and heroin. Originally confined to Bangkok clubs, its use has rapidly spread across Asia and the USA but it has yet to conquer Europe.

Donald Macintyre takes investigative journalism to the most extreme level. His series of exposé documentaries for the BBC, aptly entitled 'Macintyre Undercover', have put him in the most precarious situations imaginable and earned him the loathing of some of the world's most despicable characters. Macintyre's documentaries are well-planned and often take months of preparation; this is a man with apparently no regard for his own safety. In his last documentary, he spent months infiltrating the fiercely racist and sadistically violent 'Chelsea Headhunters' - a small, organised cell of Neo-Nazi football hooligans bent on the disruption of football matches and the destruction of rival 'firms'. His recognisable face and mellow Dublin intonation made it difficult to hide when the documentary was aired and the thugs were rightfully exposed. To some he's just an agent provocateur but to others he is a herald of truth and justice.


Donald Macintyre returned to UK screens a fortnight ago. Last week, he travelled to Thailand to uncover the menacing prevalence of the dance floor drug, Methamphetamine, known locally as 'Yaba' (pron. Yar-Bar). His journey took him from the traffic-clogged Khao San Road in Bangkok (made famous by Alex Garland in his book, 'The Beach'), to the dense jungles of Burma as he strived to trace the drug from its dealers to its producers.

Methamphetamine was invented by the Nazis in the 1930s and was intended for use by soldiers so they could fight for days without sleep. Methamphetamine is a derivative of synthetic amphetamines such as speed and the drug's main ingredients include salt, distilled cold medicines, petrol and lithium. Methamphetamine's production is supposedly easy, and its ingredients readily available. Its transformation from the icy cold killing fields of the Eastern Front to its adoption as a recreational drug is uncertain but it's a Nazi legacy that many wish had died with Hitler. Street methamphetamine is referred to by many names, such as 'crystal', 'meth' and 'chalk'.

Methamphetamine is incredibly addictive; regular use of the drug has been linked to lung and kidney disorders, hallucinations and paranoia. Use of the drug causes the brain to flood with a substance called dopamine, causing huge exhilaration but then terrible lows. The use of 'meth' has, in the past, been attributed to a high proportion of Thailand's murders.

In Thailand it is known simply as 'Yaba' and its increasingly wide-spread use in Bangkok has wreaked havoc with the Thai police force who is struggling to contain the problem. Yaba abuse, in Thailand, has reached epidemic proportions; in 2001, Thai authorities estimated that over 2.5 million people were regular users and its ever-increasing availability, particular to students, means that number is increasing no end.

Armed with a hidden camera, and a team which included narcotics experts tracking his every move, Donald Macintyre took to the bustling streets of Bangkok in search of Yaba. Within moments he had located a Yaba source and was driven across the city to meet with a shady-looking drug pusher. He found Yaba similarly available at a bike-taxi rank ran by fresh-faced yet stony-eyed teenagers but Bangkok's stringent drug laws made it too risky to score on the street.

In his book, `The Beach', Alex Garland vividly describes a beautiful well-kept secret - white sands circling a lagoon hidden from the sea, coral gardens and freshwater falls surrounded by jungle. These days, Phi Phi Le Island is one of Thailand's most frequented party islands, swamped yearly by thrill-seekers hoping to relive the utopian bliss brought to life by Garland. Phi Phi Le Island is also a hotbed of drug consumption and an ideal place to report on Thailand's new drugs plague. Macintyre arrived with his crew by boat in search of Yaba. His first score, three crude looking brown pills, turned out to be nothing more than Ecstasy - he could have stayed at home to get that. Sauntering along the beach, weaving in and out of drugged-up revellers, one of the Macintyre team came across his next source. A slight-looking Thai woman greeted him and reacted warmly to his enquiries about Yaba but she was clearly afraid (Phi Phi Le Island is rumoured to be swarming with undercover cops). 'Yaba, Yaba!' she shouted, trying her hardest to project her voice over the loud, thumping music. After indicating he would like to obtain some Yaba pills, the woman took him inside and beckoned him to smoke with her to which he politely declined. He did, however, film her smoking and observed the dismal look which shrouded her face. For her, Yaba smoking had become more of an act of necessity than pleasure.

The pill obtained from this dicey transaction, small and red in appearance, bared the ubiquitous stamp of its Burmese producers - The Wa - an insurgent rebel group granted substantial autonomy by the government in Rangoon. Burma has always been infamous for its drug manufacturing and is understood to be Asia's largest producer of opium, which eventually gets changed into heroin destined for the streets of London or New York. Whilst publicly the Burmese government seems to take a hard line on drug manufacturing, as Macintyre discovered, production of Yaba continues openly with the apparent full knowledge and backing of those in Rangoon. This year alone, 800 million Yaba pills are estimated to be produced in Wa-held laboratories along the Burmese/Thai border.

At this point in time, Burma is still entrenched in a civil war which has been raging for over 25 years. The Burmese government is extremely hostile to Western media intrusion and the area along the border with Thailand is particularly forbidden. Crossing into Thailand, Macintyre rendezvoused with a small rebel group in opposition to the government. Hacking their way through thick, dense jungle in sweltering heat to avoid government road-blocks, the BBC crew followed the heavily-armed rebels to their stronghold. There they were shown conclusive evidence of Burmese government involvement in the Yaba trade; videos shot of soldiers caught carrying thousands of pills destined for Bangkok, and of the huge drug-making facilities occupied by the Wa. A reconnaissance mission to see the facilities for themselves provoked an angry response and a skirmish ensued which culminated in both the rebels and BBC crew dodging bullets and being pursued throughout the night by government troops.

Recently, enormous batches of Yaba have been intercepted making their way into Europe by boat and plane. But as Macintyre discovered, Ecstasy still remains the drug of choice in Britain's clubs. Ecstasy has received its fair share of defamation in the press despite the fact that millions of people take it every Friday night with no ill-effects. Is methamphetamine different? Is it really the pernicious drug that we're led to believe? Or is it just the latest victim of scaremongering anti-drug rhetoric in the continuing futile war against drugs?

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Done Yaba?
o Yeeeaa, sweet. 9%
o Yes. Nasty stuff. 9%
o No, but I would. 5%
o No, and I wouldn't. 62%
o Eh? I kill you! 13%

Votes: 107
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Crystal Meth Will Lift You Up Until You Break | 109 comments (83 topical, 26 editorial, 0 hidden)
Intresting... (4.70 / 17) (#1)
by SvnLyrBrto on Sun May 05, 2002 at 08:53:07 AM EST

I always thought that northern California was the meth capital of the world.

Certianly, meth labs are a dime a dozen in countys like Humbolt... hell... pretty much ANYWHERE outside the cities.  (Meth manuefacture, while easy from a non-chemist POV, has some REALLY nasty and toxic waste products... that also stink up the place and everything around it... making it necessary for meth labs to be rathar isolated).

Incidently, it's called "tweak" here.  And one who uses it is a "tweaker".  Not many people around here have heard of "YaBa".  And if they have, they think it's some exotic SUPERmethamphetemine coming out of some special labs in eastern europe.  (The rumors about YaBa vs. tweek usually include false info like how it's as good a high, but not nearly so addictive or dangerous..... sigh)

You can imagine the dismay of the tweaker, when you clue him in to the fact that YaBa is just another name for plain old crystal meth.

I really don't believe it's quite as addictive as the scare stories claim tho.  I've tried it a few times myself.  Certianly, it can be fun for a while.  But it's a twitchy, nervous high; not what I like at all.  And the comedown... well... it's not something you'd wish on even someone you don't like.  My experiences with it left me with no particular desire to do it again.

What I found REALLY funny, was the fact that someone went shopping for meth, but got "plain old ecstasy"!  In my experience, if you're getting fake pills, it's almost ALWAYS the other way around... people looking for Ecstasy (which usually has to be imported from Amsterdam) get fake pills containing meth (made, in great quantity, right here in California).

That, and from a Californian's POV, it's pretty odd that the guy went looking for meth in pill form.  Usually the only reason, here, that it finds its way into a pill is to be sold as fake ecstasy.  People here who do tweak on purpose usually smoke or rail it.

(editorial)
nifty look at a particular drug from an alternate viewpoint +1 section
(/editorial)

cya,
john

Imagine all the people...

Ask a Cop (4.10 / 10) (#3)
by slick willie on Sun May 05, 2002 at 09:02:51 AM EST

One of my good friends is a cop, and has to deal regularly with people hopped up on crank.

He has told me about the physical deterioration of people who are habitual users, and the experience of having to arrest one of these individuals.

I agree that our so-called War on Drugs is, for the most part, an utter waste. However, if half of what he tells me is true, meth is something that should be uninvented.

"...there is no limit to what a man can do or where he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit."
--Ronald Reagan, First Inaugural Address

-1 needs research... (3.75 / 4) (#14)
by lurker4hire on Sun May 05, 2002 at 11:42:00 AM EST

As noted by others your article is needlessly sensationalistic. Methamphetamine, and other CNS stimulants, are complex drugs and as easy as it is to demonize them that attitude helps no one.

Perhaps some reseach is in order on your part, to start methamphetamine isn't some new scary drug as even a cursory search on the web for information would reveal.

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/meth/meth_timeline.php3

Although much of the information available regarding drugs is skewed (either excessively pro - or excessively anti) one should at least look at multiple sources of information and try to find a middle ground.

On the topical side:

All that being said, I agree with the central premise that methamphetamine is dangerous. The potential for abuse is high, and the long term effects are not pretty. When you consider that most people learn to consume drugs through the consumption of alcohol you perhaps see how easy it is to act irresponsibly. Irresponsible alcohol use for a couple of years during college generally won't kill you (well, I guess if you consider the stats on drunken driving deaths for people in their 20s it will), however with highly addictive chemicals this type of use can develop into serious problems, ranging from physical health effects, to mental psychosis and addiction.

Powerful psychoactive chemicals must be treated with respect, and education regarding their true effects is the only way to gain that respect. Unfortunately, for most people dabbling, education is purchased through experience at a considerable cost.

Gahhh (3.83 / 6) (#15)
by MMcP on Sun May 05, 2002 at 11:46:09 AM EST

>>Ecstasy has received its fair share of
>>defamation in the press despite the fact that
>>millions of people take it every Friday night
>>with no ill-effects.

ARGHHHHHH

If you consider loss of valuable serotonin receptors with as little as one use to be "no side effects" then I don't think you know what long-term medical problems exactly are.  All these chumps take ecstasy because they either don't know or don't believe the people that tell them that they WILL have problems with depression and mood swings later in life if they regularly use this drug.  We can half blame the government(s) for neglecting to offer the truth and instead opting for the quick "JUST SAY NO" campaign.  Educate yourself about drugs.  Try and find REPUTABLE sources for information.  Sometimes .gov sites can be as bad as drugsruleohyeah.com with misinformation.  Look in medical journals, ask your doctor - and then tell me that there are no ill-effects.  

Other then that gaffe this is a really well done article.  

meth is stinking old (2.50 / 2) (#17)
by MFS on Sun May 05, 2002 at 12:05:44 PM EST

if anything, its having an illicit renaissance, so to speak.


Nope, not me. I must be someone else.

crystal (4.00 / 3) (#18)
by jann on Sun May 05, 2002 at 12:07:12 PM EST

Crystal has been around as a common drug for yonks ... and easily availible. It was in common usage in the 80's ... so common it was a noticible part in the feature move "boogie nights" which was a reasonably accurate look at the life of dirk diggler.

And as far as the big exposee of finding crystal in foreign locals ... all I have to do is wander down to my local "blue light" area (I live in sydney ... so Oxford St is where I have picked this stuff up before) and it is availible ... not as easily as e's or speed ... but still availible.

Point is ... as others have mentioned ... this is not exactly late breaking news. Nor is it a problem about to "suddenly arrive on our shores." It is Old News in "drug land." In fact I think crystal was even one of the drugs you could trade in the old 80's drug trading computer game "drug wars" (avail on PC and Unix ... possibly apple as well).

J

Former meth addict (4.66 / 12) (#20)
by Zara2 on Sun May 05, 2002 at 12:14:00 PM EST

As a former meth addict I can say with no equivication that METH IS A BAD DRUG. I wish this article had more data on this. First off, Hard-core meth users would not go to many clubs. Maybe when U first get a habit its fine but after a while it gets ur heart beating too fast and you feel like your heart is going to explode out of your chest.

The physical effects are not the worst tho. Whether it is due to the drug itself or the weeks of staying up you become a paranoid asshole. I very literally lost every friend that I had in the world after being addicted to meth. After multiple years of being clean I still have certian defects of my personality that I attribute to meth. Certian ways of thinking that I would not have if I hadnt been a addict for so long. I also still occaisionally get cravings for it, especially if I smell it.

I wish I had the time to go into more detail, maybe later tonight i'll do a longer write-up. However, I cannot even reccomend Meth as a occaisional/club drug. It is one of those substances that IS stronger than you and not even close to being worth it.

By the by, meth has been a club drug for 20 years. (4.50 / 2) (#32)
by la princesa on Sun May 05, 2002 at 01:26:09 PM EST

It was likely slightly gothique and industrial music-oriented clubs and clubgoers, but the meth freak goth for one was a common plaint through the 80s and early 90s. It is an interesting reversal that you pen a scare-tactic article about the horror of meth once it's begun to hit the third world after being common in the first world for decades as a party drug. It is so often the other way round.

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A movie you all should see (4.25 / 4) (#34)
by strlen on Sun May 05, 2002 at 01:42:14 PM EST

For an example of "lift you up untill you break", you should see how speed (related to meth, not as pure) was shown in Clint Mansell's (yes, _the_ Clint Mansell of Pi-fame) movie Requiem for a dream. Before you claim it as "war on drugs" propaganda, don't blow it off, as it isn't. It's quite critical of the war on drugs (let's throw em in prison and let 'em rot) attitude, which is quite evident in the last part of the movie. Their description of speed, which is used by a woman to raise the metabolism rate to lose weight, is quite realistic, and has been confirmed by people that I know that have actually used the drugs. Though the movie isn't entirely about drugs, but more like addiction, goals, and many other factors. But again, I think it provides a good description of "lift you up and break you" affect of meth and speed (and perhaps epherdrine, if abused).

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Meth in the UK (4.77 / 9) (#36)
by spiralx on Sun May 05, 2002 at 02:37:30 PM EST

But as Macintyre discovered, Ecstasy still remains the drug of choice in Britain's clubs.

This would probably be because meth is still next-to-impossible to get over here. Out of all of the thousands of people I've met out at parties across London I know one person who gets the stuff; I'd have an easier time getting hold of things like DMT. While it may be up and coming it's not in the clubs yet because most people just won't be able to get hold of it.

But as I'm writing this I've just woken up after going out last night and having some nice crank - not proper ice, but it's still crystal. It's lovely stuff to start with - better than coke in many ways. But I've spent a long time as a speed addict before, and I won't do that again.

I think the key here is whether it becomes a club drug; if it's associated with clubs then there won't be such huge problems of addiction, because people will do it at the weekend and not during the week. And it'll be less likely people will be smoking the stuff as well rather than doing pills, which will make it less intense and less addictive.

Meth is addictive; all amphetamines are. But is it any worse than crack or heroin? Although it might not have their "dirty" image as street drugs, I'd still say the majority of people who would become meth addicts already have chemicals out there they can abuse. Meth is huge in rural USA - here the rural areas are already flooded with cheap heroin. I'm just not sure that there's going to be any endemic of meth use in this country.

You're doomed, I'm doomed, we're all doomed for ice cream. - Bob Aboey

I don't think (2.25 / 4) (#39)
by medham on Sun May 05, 2002 at 04:25:11 PM EST

That the correlation between psi powers and crank-use is to be ignored. Sometimes time-dilation isn't an illusion, and I'd pay close attention to what those Nazis were doing. They weren't all chocolate and sunshine.

The real 'medham' has userid 6831.

BBC folks have balls (2.50 / 2) (#40)
by Ben Welsh on Sun May 05, 2002 at 04:32:20 PM EST

You'll never see American news media being that aggressive in getting the story. Even out in the warzones in Afghanistan, they only go on planned excursions with the military to see what the Pentagon wants them to see.

Wouldn't want Ashley Benfield to break a nail.

Christianity Meme
BBC folks have balls (2.00 / 5) (#42)
by Ben Welsh on Sun May 05, 2002 at 04:36:05 PM EST

You'll never see American news media being that aggressive in getting the story. Even out in the warzones in Afghanistan, they only go on planned excursions with the military to see what the Pentagon wants them to see.

Wouldn't want Ashley Benfield to break a nail.

Christianity Meme
Drug quality -- from an experienced person (5.00 / 13) (#44)
by Cal Bunny on Sun May 05, 2002 at 04:57:04 PM EST

I lived in San Francisco, and I have done my share of crystal in the past.  I have done some incredibly clean ice and prope-dope to dirty redish crank.  I have produced a few batched, recrystalized, and cleaned meth, too.

Drug Quality

If you are getting reddish pills there is something wrong with the quality of the drug that you are intaking.  Many negative effects from drugs can often be associated with the impurities rather that the drug itself.  In the past, when I have had very clean, pure crystal to the point that it always tastes sweet the high has been incredibly good, the comedown is very clean, and it doesn't leave you with massive cravings for more.  Not just my experience, but from friends too, we have all noticed that the lower quality crystal is what makes you feel jittery and crave more.  Also, in pill form you have to deal with binders to hold the pill togther and that is stuff that you do not want to smoke.  It is very physically hard on your body and sometimes will even make you feel lethargic which leads to wanting more of the dugs since you are not getting the high that you want.

Production

There are a couple different production methods.  With many of the methods there is a time/yield versus quality tradeoff.   In one of the more common methods, refered to as the push-pull method, the smell can be contained and the byproducts released afterwards.  the method I used was a steam distillation, but it is rarely used because it takes about twice the time, it requires constant supervision, and it will yield less.  However, it will give you the cleanest product without the smell.

More information is available at The Hive (unsecured, [secured https://www.the-hive.ws]) which is a message board dedicated to the production and issues related to production of mind altering substances.

Ecstacy sold as speed?

I find this highly unlikely and it even makes me doubt this reporter's credibility.  It is always the other way around for simple economic reasons: crystal is much cheaper that ecstacy (this is also why the story of buy ecstacy but it turned out to be heroine is an urban myth and has never been proved).  If the reporter is in a place supposedly flowing in meth then this story even make less sense.

Sensationalisam

The article is incredible sensationalistic and seems to pride itself on it, even bring up the completely unrelated information on previous stories the investgator uncovered.

I find it interesting that the reported would need to venture to another country to find dirty drugs.  He could probably fine very clean drugs right at home.  It is very obvious that the reporter didn't do his research ahead of time or why would he have bought probably the dirties pill he could find... oh, wait, that's right.  He needed sensationalism.

Cause and effect

There is a tremendous jump in logic between seeing people on meth steal and murder to blaming meth for stealing and murdering.  I think that it is more likely the case that people with certain personality traits or in lower social situations tend to use the drug.

Personally, for me I turn into a puppy dog on good crystal.  And many people that I have known have had the same effect.

People should also know that the long-term feeling of taking meth is different from the short-term feeling.  It starts to make you feel more normal instead of absolutely dead, sitting on the couch, unable to move.  When I took a long vacation from work I started doing too much meth for a few months.  It was very difficult to come off of it after that.  I have had good friends be meth addicts for years, and it took them multiple attempts to come off of it.

If anybody is thinking of trying crystal, some of the best advice is to buy a little and do it, save a little for a few hours later if you wish, but make sure you do it.  Don't let it sit around your house.  Then do not do it again until it is jsut a whim and you really could do without it.  Do not do it if you feel a craving for it.  I know many people that can leave it around their house, but this is just the safest method until you discover your propensity for meth addiction.

Final Thoughts

Yes, this is a very addictive drugs, but the hardline stance on consumption has only made issues worse.  They cause the meth coming in to have horrendous quality and the people in it only for the money that don't care about their end user start to dominate the market.  In a perfect world everybody would be able to control themselves.  Then we wouldn't these harsh drug policies.  However, at some level I do see the necessity of these drug policies.

I wish somebody would write a nice unbiased article about drug consumption someday.

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Odd... (3.50 / 2) (#46)
by Captain_Tenille on Sun May 05, 2002 at 05:31:10 PM EST

I thought methamphetamine was invented in 1893 by Japanese chemists. The "Nazi" meth only refers to a certain receipe that the Nazi's did develope.
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The Sincerest Form of Flattery (none / 0) (#47)
by Baldrson on Sun May 05, 2002 at 05:58:49 PM EST

From the kuro5in article:

...causes the brain to flood with a substance called dopamine, causing huge exhilaration but then terrible lows...

From a BBC News article:

...causes the brain to flood with a substance called dopamine, causing huge exhilaration but then terrible lows...

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Originally confined to Bangkok clubs (4.00 / 1) (#52)
by TON on Sun May 05, 2002 at 06:54:35 PM EST

If you are a BBC correspondent, or any other foreigner, I guess you would see it as a club drug in Bangkok. It worked the other way around though. Yaba came up through working-class Thai society, and then hit the dance clubs. Industrial workers, truck drivers, students burning the midnight oil, cabbies, etc. are pretty well known to be cranked up. Hey, you get paid by the piece/delivery, and anything that will let you go the extra mile starts to look good. Of course, I've seen a few trucks in crumbled messes far from the roadway.

I suspect this isn't too different from meth in the States or elsewhere. Speed comes and goes. It turns up where you least suspect it. I was rather surprised to see how popular (relatively speaking) it was in Japan.

"First, I am born. Then, the trouble begins." -- Schizopolis

Ted


Let's not get carried away! (4.00 / 1) (#56)
by phliar on Sun May 05, 2002 at 07:50:40 PM EST

Methamphetamine is incredibly addictive ... causing huge exhilaration but then terrible lows.
For one thing, everyone is different; we all have different susceptibilities not just to the effect of the drug, but also to its addictive potential.

I know quite a few people who use meth to varying degrees. It's true some of them might fit the stereotypes of crazed tweaker, but others find it much more mellow, both the up and the down. I know people who found it frighteningly addictive and pretty much quit; others who have trouble with the stigma associated with "hard" drugs; and others who have no problems. Some people find that it helps them focus on a task and not get distracted. Others get distracted really easily and start a lot of projects and finish none.

Using it every day is definitely not something to recommend since then you end up tired and listless all the time, and it's hard to deal with life -- job, family, etc. -- if you're that way. It's powerful, and if you decide to do it, it's definitely something that deserves respect.


Faster, faster, until the thrill of...

Meth vs. Ecstasy? (4.75 / 4) (#61)
by delmoi on Mon May 06, 2002 at 12:05:48 AM EST

Macintyre arrived with his crew by boat in search of Yaba. His first score, three crude looking brown pills, turned out to be nothing more than Ecstasy - he could have stayed at home to get that.

Um, Isn't Esctasy much more expensive, harder to produce, and more enjoyable then crystal meth?

Also, why go all the way to Thailand? I live just 40 minutes away from the "Crystal Meth Capital of the World", Des Moines, Iowa. The labs are easy to set up, and the drug can even be set up in a van. The components are also not hard to get ahold of. You don't need a global conspiracy to get ahold of meth. (and, btw, I doubt "the wa" is going to be filing any trademark disputes. It's entirely possible that someone stuck that logo on their stuff to help it sell.

Finally, It's my opinion that the rampant CM use is a direct result of the war on drugs. People can't get their hands on stuff like Heroin or Ecstasy, which require industrial production (especially in places like the Midwest) but Meth is easy to produce, so even though it's way worse for you people still use it.
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in Japan... (none / 0) (#67)
by auraslip on Mon May 06, 2002 at 06:30:37 AM EST

I remeber my world Geo teacher saying something about how big a problem speed is in Japan. And that it's almost excepted. Mostly by workers who are trying to do well, becuase the competion is so great.

Apparently people will get drunk and sleep in the parks, and this too is excepted. Something to do with stress.

of course...my world geo class, was the type you woke up in only to correct the teacher.
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Possible translation of "ya ba" (none / 0) (#75)
by rwa2 on Mon May 06, 2002 at 12:16:29 PM EST

"ya ba" probably translates literally to:

ya = "Medicine/drug"
ba = "crazy" (or maybe "forest" depending on how "ba" is pronounced).

I didn't hear anyone talk about it the last time I went to Thailand (Dec 01).  But I did hear that the gang violence and murders have gotten a lot worse.

Heh (4.50 / 2) (#76)
by trhurler on Mon May 06, 2002 at 12:28:23 PM EST

Well, I think I'll skip the ecstasy until they figure out just WHICH brain functions it is crippling in long term users as viewed through a 3D imaging system, thank you kindly, but meth is certainly much, much worse. I live a short distance from the meth capital of the known universe(the cops bust more labs in a year than have been busted in the entire histories of most places, and seize absurd quantities of meth,) and oddly enough, of the few people I know who've tried it, a grand total of two aren't habitual users, and one of those only tried it once.

I always get chewed up in drug discussions, because the prohibition crowd is pissed that I favor legalization, and the drug crowd is pissed that I am unwilling to aid and abet their fantasies of completely safe party fun, where drugs never hurt anyone addicts and only other people ever become addicted. :)

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