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Libby Hoeler - Accidental Porn Celeb

By greenrd in greenrd's Diary
Sun Apr 07, 2002 at 07:48:53 PM EST
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Continuing on the "mastubation ethics" diary theme started by another user (not me): I downloaded one of the infamous "Libby Hoeler" videos recently, ignorant as to the backstory. Now feeling guilty. (yeah, yeah, I know, that's probably nothing compared to how the poor girl felt when she found out!)

Apparently, in a nutshell: these very hot porn vids were produced for her boyfriend's eyes only. But "somehow" they "leaked out" onto Morpheus/Kazaa and onto the web. Read below for a sample of theories as to what happened. And a poll on the ethics of watching this kind of "unintended" porn.


First quote from a Google search:

posted by Devante Swing at 12:15 PM I've recently had my eyes opened wide and starry by an amazing video starring a girl called Libby Hoeler. Apparently she went to University of Wisconsin and made these home videos with her webcam for her boyfriend who was away. Like I said, they were for her boyfriend's eyes only. Something must have happened between the two of them because he leaked the clips with her name, address and phone number genlocked at the start. Before long, they had circulated far and wide and poor Libby Hoeler became an involuntary internet legend. There are supposedly 10 or so clips in circulation, and the one I watched is called "The Complete Libby Hoeler.mpg" even though it is only a merge of 5 of them. They all have sound and she sings as she dances to a various songs.

I am a strong advocate for the "some things should remain sacred" school of thought. Nothing the girl did to him could have justified his actions. I started feeling pissed off on her behalf when watching it. It was so personal and here it was for the world to see. What really made me mad was the way she kept pointing to the camera everytime the word "you" came up in the song lyics. (eg. "i love YOU", "... for YOU", etc). She ended each clip by blowing a kiss at the camera. Her jerk of a boyfriend sure didn't deserve her. He apparently received a 12 month jail sentence, mild consolation for Libby who probably had her life ruined.

That's the dominant story in my crude search engine investigations. Another theory was that her bf's roommate found and released the clips.

I probably should have stopped watching as soon as i realized what the clip was and who it was meant for and you're probably wondering why I didn't. I did say earlier in this post that the video was amazing and indeed it was. I do not exaggerate.

On a slightly more positive note though, a different take from another page:

as a first hand source i just wanted to let you know that libby's boyfriend did not receive any kind of jail sentence. he also did not put her name and address on the videos. that happened later after they had been circulating for a few weeks.

Posted by madison student - 10:38am December 5, 2001

Here's another take on it.

to whom it may concern:

i know libby hoeller's ex-boyfriend... videos got uploaded accidentally... were in his download folder, and people uploaded it over Scour back in the day... he did not get a 12 month prison sentance... he is alive and well, attending university of indiana, highly amused by it... they broke up but maintained a sex relationship for seven more months...

Posted by Raul Duke [of fuckedcompany.com] - 3:27pm December 24, 2001

No word on how "Libby" (if that is her real name) feels about the whole thing though. :(

I'm not sure whether to believe Mr. Duke of fuckedcompany.com - but if he's right, it sounds like she wasn't too shattered by the experience if she continued having sex with the guy. Which is a relief, I suppose.

[As an aside: when I was in my first year at university, there was one incident when the girls on my floor got pissed off with a couple of the boys (not me) who were staring out the first-floor window, blatantly staring up the skirt of a girl lying on the grass outside and laughing about it. I didn't see what all the fuss was about, but the girls on our floor were really annoyed about it, especially when I said I couldn't see a major problem with it. They said "it's pervy - yes it's in public, but she doesn't know she's showing them", and "how would you like it if a girl was secretly staring at you in your underpants??" (This was a rather comical question since I really couldn't imagine that happening!)]

Please vote in the poll: is it ethical to watch the Libby Hoeler videos, knowing the alleged backstories?

I'm sure there'll be more Libby Hoeler's in future, as the usage of digital cameras and filesharing services continues to increase. It's only a matter of time...

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Poll
Now I've got it, it is ethical to continue to watch it?
o No way, delete it at once! 9%
o Feel guilty - but there's no harm in watching it again, now you've seen it once 32%
o You have nothing to feel guilty about. 51%
o You will burn in hell, fornicator!!! 6%

Votes: 31
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Libby Hoeler - Accidental Porn Celeb | 38 comments (38 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
Really, now (2.33 / 3) (#1)
by qpt on Sun Apr 07, 2002 at 07:53:08 PM EST

You sound almost surprised to learn that pornography exploits women.

Domine Deus, creator coeli et terrae respice humilitatem nostram.

In his download folder? (5.00 / 1) (#3)
by DesiredUsername on Sun Apr 07, 2002 at 07:56:12 PM EST

So she made vids of herself and then sent them over the Internet? That assuages my guilt a little (assuming I had any, but I've been unable to get a successful download).

On a related topic: What's the ethicality of posting her full name here? The story would be identical if you used a pseudonym but her privacy might start to heal itself...

Play 囲碁

I feel sorry for her but it was her idea (none / 0) (#7)
by Hot For The Teacher on Sun Apr 07, 2002 at 08:03:50 PM EST

The whole business of snapping polaroids of your nude self and making movies just for your SO is risky almost by definition. And it's not like this kind of leak hasn't happened in the past.

So yes, I feel sorry for her. But she should've been a little wiser. Regardless of how these movies were leaked, the number of bad things that can happen to your integrity when there's footage of your naked self out there is just too great to be ignored.

For those that don't do the kazaa (5.00 / 1) (#11)
by Hong Kong Phooey on Sun Apr 07, 2002 at 08:11:16 PM EST

You can find a few vidcaps here. I belive this would be classified as softcore pornography in the US. Something to think about if you're at work.

*sigh* (3.50 / 2) (#15)
by snugglebunny on Sun Apr 07, 2002 at 08:20:21 PM EST

Copyright violations.. sexual exploitation.. and you're hoping that someone will tell you that it's somehow okay and ethical?

No snuggles for you today.



differences (4.66 / 3) (#18)
by ucblockhead on Sun Apr 07, 2002 at 08:40:24 PM EST

What is the difference between sex and rape?

Consent.

What is the difference between watching porn and watching this?

Consent.
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Fact or urban legend? (5.00 / 2) (#19)
by My Dupe Account on Sun Apr 07, 2002 at 08:50:32 PM EST

One of the problems with the Libby Hoeler saga is that none of the sources are trustworthy. For instance, whenever a site puts up a "Who is Libby Hoeler?" forum, someone answers and says "This is what happened. I should know, because my email address is from University of Wisconsin." Don't you think it is kind of weird that only one UW student is telling this story and always prefacing their tale with the same disclaimer?

Also, there is no University of Indiana.

There's enough background showing in each clip that one could probably verify the time/place of the Libby filming. You could compare dorm room configurations and there's a Jay Leno monolougue playing in the background of Part 4. Ah ha, it took me a whole two minutes to find a reference to one of the Leno jokes: pictures of minnie mouse. There's also a blurry clock showing in that clip, but I believe the image has been horizontally reversed because what should be the hour digit changes way too frequently. Yes, I realize none of this sluething amounts to anything, but I really need an excuse to watch these clips over and over again.

Also suspicious is the fact that the UW Madison part of the MPG titles didn't appear until Libby had spent some time on Scour (which is where I first found her.)

--

"Very funny, Scotty. Now beam up my clothes."

Consent and all that... (none / 0) (#38)
by Neoscape on Sun May 12, 2002 at 07:01:09 AM EST

It's all too easy to say that she didnt consent to it being across the net, so it's her right to privacy - and in many ways that is true, but the best analogy I can think of for it is if one of those girls outside had sat so her boyfriend could see up her skirt from the first floor, then been suprised when others saw too. It wasn't her fault and it wasn't his fault either, but others could still see. It wasn't necessarily the others fault because she knew that someone on the net could see her, so it was also possible for others to see her too.

Mail me...

(-o-) Obi Wan >-o-<

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