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Get paid to look at porn!

By anon868 in Culture
Tue Oct 29, 2002 at 12:29:50 PM EST
Tags: Internet (all tags)
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I spent nearly a year selling porn over the internet, and actually made money at it. This article is a pseudo-how to, a glimpse into my experiences selling porn, and the reason I ultimately gave it up for a dead end IT job.

Warning: This story contains direct links to explicit pornographic images. It would probably be a bad idea to click on ANY of the links from work, unless you have a very understanding boss.


Disclaimer: I have no affiliation with Adult Webmaster School or any of the companies listed in this article. Some of the companies listed used to send me a paycheck, but no longer do. Any links to TGPs or TGP lists are examples picked at random and I have nothing to gain from them.

So you want to be an Online Pornographer? This was the title of the story on Slashdot, and it had a link to a story of the same name on Salon.com. The story is about many laid off 'dot-commers' who have started selling porn online to make ends meet. Part of the article is about Philip Brandes, the self appointed dean of Adult Webmaster School. He discusses how very easy it is to make money selling porn over the internet, and how you can do it with only 1 hour a night's work. The only catch is you have to pay them $140 (US) for access to their web site, to find out their secrets.

So I thought about it for days. It's probably a scam, I thought. It would just be a waste of money. Finally I decided- I've wasted a lot more than $140 before, I might as well give it a try. So I warmed up the Visa and paid the price.

I spent that whole evening reading through the web site, and it was exactly what was promised. You don't actually sell the porn yourself, your job is to entice potential customers into buying a subscription to a pay porn site through your TGPs (Thumbnail Gallery Posts). A TGP is simply a page with 15-20 thumbnails on it. When you click on the thumbnails, it takes you through to the actual picture (usually about 640*480 resolution). On the TGP, you also have several banners or text links to a pay porn site, using your referrer ID. Hopefully the person buys a subscription to that site. The payouts are quite good- a month's subscription cost $40, and I would get paid $35 of that (I see the amount has now gone down to $25 per signup). I even got $35 a few times for the purchase of a $3.95 3 day trial. And you get paid every week, by cheque. The site gives you step by step instructions for setting up TGPs (Thumbnail Gallery Posts), and also provide a web based discussion forum, where you can talk to other students, and the "experts".

Easy right? The devil is in the details. First, you have to buy 'content' (pictures). You can't just use pictures that you have downloaded from the web or newsgroups, even if they have no obvious copyright. This is very important- if you use this kind of material, it will likely end up with your web hosting account cancelled, your account with the porn site cancelled and any money owing to you voided (it's in the agreement) and serious damage to your reputation. Reputation is VERY important when selling porn. There is a small amount of legal, free content to be had, but you're unlikely to be able to make any sales off of that because of the poor quality and over use.

So, you have to buy porn from companies that sell it for specifically this purpose. This means you end up paying $1 or more per picture. You should be building one TGP every day, and many sites don't allow you to re-use pictures, so content is your major expense. A week can easily cost you $140 for content, and that's assuming that all the pictures you buy are worth using (they come in packs of 20, 40 etc). One more thing- there are a limited number of companies selling content, so it can take hours of searching to find "fresh content" (pictures that haven't been over-used) or pay big bucks for exclusive content. Remember there are thousands of people out there doing this and you have to have some way of differentiating yourself. You can also take your own pictures, but you need to get all kinds of releases signed, it quickly gets more expensive than buying content, and they do have to be very high quality pictures (cheap digicam snap shots need not apply).

Now that you have the pictures, all you have to do is create a page with 20 pictures, a few links, and that's it right? Nope. It takes a lot of thought, and even some psychology to make an effective TGP. The idea is to entice the web browser to click on a link to take him to the pay site, and eventually to subscribe. You have to get the surfer hot and wanting more. Here's where questionable practices can come in to play. Some people do what is called blind linking. This would involve taking one of your thumbnails, and instead of linking to the actual picture, it would link to the pay site. Other examples are exit consoles, and banners with audio. Most TGP list operators (webmasters) will not tolerate these practices and the punishment from doing this ranges from just having your TGP rejected, to being blacklisted from the TGP list forever. If for example you are banned from The Hun, it could literally mean the end of your porn selling career.

Now, you've created an enticing page with great content. You have to take take this TGP, and submit it to many (40+) TGP Lists. You've probably came across these before, they are sites like The Hun, and Persian Kitty, which are just big lists of TGPs submitted by people who are doing the same thing you are. TGP list owners make money from banner ads on the main page, and through 'selling positions'- more on that later as well. Most TGP List owners require that you have a link from your TGP back to their TGP List, so, once you've created your page once, you have to create a separate version for each TGP list you're submitting to with their logo at the top. This means over 40 different versions of your page. It's nice to have a program which automates this, but there's always some manual work that needs to be done.

Once you've created your TGP, you have to upload the pages and images to a web host. Of course, this is not as simple as you would think either (noticing a trend here?). You can't use a regular web host for this kind of thing. Bandwidth requirements run upwards of 10GB/day and even a slow day is going to be around 1GB (on average, for a 150KB total size TGP submitted to 40 TGP Lists). Even if it wasn't against geocities acceptable use policy, they wouldn't want you anyway. Regular commercial web hosts are no good either, as you'd be hard pressed to find a hosting company that would want you, at an average of 300GB/month without wanting a fortune from you. Fortunately, there are a number of free hosting companies out there who specialize in adult web hosting. They will usually give you unlimited bandwidth, storage space and (hopefully) great uptime. In exchange they put their banner ads at the top and bottom of your TGP. Uptime is particularly important, because even 5 minutes of downtime can mean being permanently blacklisted from a high profile TGP list. There are a few commercial hosts that will do this for a price, without the banner ads, but there's not much point in using them, as the extra banners are expected by TGP List operators. Yet another problem- free hosts come and go, like anything else on the internet. Every TGP has a list of free hosts which they have banned, usually due to problems with the hosting quality, or shady dealings with the banner ads (virtual girl, and any kind of popups are considered particularly evil). The host you're using today might be banned tomorrow (I used to use Bestsexhost.com).

The last step is submitting your TGPs to TGP lists. This is easily the most time consuming task. There have been attempts to automate this that work to varying degrees, but it's still mostly a manual process. All TGPs have a set of rules for submitting, and everyone is slightly different. You might need a 10, 30 or 2 word description. Certain words (lolita) in the description might be banned. You may need to enter a username and for some you even have to be pre-approved to submit. What you do is go to each site's submit page, put in the URL of your TGP, usually a description, how many pictures, and your name (or a handle to identify you by), and submit it. Genrally there's some automated checks, to verify that all the links work, your images are of an appropriate size, the server is up etc. If it doesn't get rejected outright, one of two things happen. If it's a fairly small site, your TGP will be posted to the TGP list immediately. For the majority of sites though, the TGP goes to an approver. A human being will look at your TGP and decide if it is worthy of being listed on their page. This is time consuming and can take anywhere from a day to several months, for big sites like The Hun. (It is very difficult to get listed on The Hun, I only ever got listed there 3 times. But due to the sheer volume, getting listed on The Hun means well over 100,000 page views & several sales at least) This is why you must submit every day, you have to build up momentum, a backlog of sites to be accepted each day. Occasionally, some owners will begin to recognize you and if they like your work, they will approve your TGPs right away, but this is not the norm.

Don't forget to repeat this process 40+ times, once for each TGP list (Adult Webmaster School provides you with a list of sites to submit to) because the more sites your TGP is shown on, the more potential sales. Don't like the whole submit routine? Are your TGPs being rejected by sites like The Hun? There's another option. The Hun sells his top 5 listings on the page. These are a major source of traffic, and you would probably get 500,000+ page views in 1 day. When I was selling, the top listing cost $500, for 24 hours. 2nd, 3rd 4th and 5th were 400, 300, 200, and 100 dollars respectively. It would be very unusual if you didn't make your money back on any of those. Other sites sell top listings for considerably less, but The Hun is the undisputed king of TGP Lists.

The last step is to wait. You will do a lot of this. I used to refresh my stats page so often I could practically see sales happening in real time. It's easy to get discouraged and it's not abnormal to go your whole first month without making a sale. You have to submit every night without fail, a missed day can mean a huge decrease in traffic and lost reputation with TGP List owners. Throughout the first few months you see your traffic slowly increasing. 100 page views per day. 2000. 3000. 5000. 25000. By the end of 3 months I was at over 1 million total page views. On a well designed page, you will probably get about a 1:1000 clickthrough rate; that is, one in one thousand viewers will click on your banner ads. About 1 out of 200 of those people actually will buy a subscription. The numbers are terrible. It took me over a month and about 100,000 page views to make my first sale. After that the sales slowly went up as my volume went up. I actually made 4 sales in 1 day once. Traffic was ramping up, and eventually, I hit a break even point, I had spent about $1000(US) and had earned $1000 in sales. I could have kept going, and probably made about $500 profit the next month.

Instead, I chose to quit. Why? Was it the ethical implications of selling porn, of convincing people to subscribe to pay sites that I had never even seen myself, the possible exploitation of the models? No. Once I had got my pattern down, it was taking me about 3-4 hours a night (every night) to get the content, create the pages, upload them, and submit them. And there was no such thing as weekends off, on weekends, I'd have to spend 8-9 hours looking for fresh content in addition to building pages. All of this was on top of a full time job- I'm a laid off dot-commer. It turns out, there's practically no limit to the amount of money you can make, but it's really hard work. Let me repeat that. It's really hard work. I could have gotten a part time job at McDonalds, and it wouldn't have taken me 3 months to be making a profit (and I could tell my parents I was working there).

Do I have regrets now? Most definitely. It's now been almost a year since I quit. When I think about the kind of money I could be making now, there would be little reason for me to have kept my (much hated) day job. The next logical step from doing TGPs is to create your own TGP List (They were working on instructions for this around the time that I left), and from there, the sky's the limit on how much money you can make. The owner of The Hun is a rich, rich man. I'm still tempted every now and then to get back into it.

So there you have it. You really can make money selling porn. It's really no different than being a consultant: you can make a lot of money and there are great tax advantages for working for yourself. Just don't ever kid yourself that it's easy, or something that can be done in an hour a night. It's damned hard work, especially if you already have a day job.

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Get paid to look at porn! | 266 comments (251 topical, 15 editorial, 0 hidden)
Cool (2.37 / 8) (#4)
by SanSeveroPrince on Tue Oct 29, 2002 at 09:55:56 AM EST

Different, well written. +1FP when it get out of edit...

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Hang on... (4.66 / 3) (#5)
by tombuck on Tue Oct 29, 2002 at 10:06:01 AM EST

So, you give, say, $500 to The Hun and you have a pretty good chance of making it back? Why not simply buy advertisements for the whole of the time?

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Give me yer cash!

Great article, but I'm still puzzled. (4.95 / 20) (#13)
by Rogerborg on Tue Oct 29, 2002 at 10:56:39 AM EST

I'm still finding it hard to get my head round... I mean, I'm struggling to accept... Sorry, start over.

I find it difficult to believe that people actually pay for porn, and still images at that.  $40 a month?  Billed to your credit card ("Honey, what's this charge to DaddysLittleGirl.com on your Amex bill?")?  Are you serious?  I mean, I know you are, and that people are (apparently) making big money at this, but who exactly is paying for it?  Someone with $40 a month to burn, that doesn't know about the plethora of video (and still, yawn) on gnutella or FastTrack or Kazaa?  Who are these people?

This really fascinates me.  I have a friend who paid for access to a porn site.  It was soft core garbage: empty eyed barbie clones doing solo shoots, basically Playboy with dildoes and no articles.  He knew about the availability of P2P porn (P2Porn?), but he actually preferred paying money to get galleries and thumbnails of stuff so tame that I'd rather beat off to a racy PERL manual.

Anybody out there paying for porn?  What's the attraction?  Convince me, or if you can't convince me, give me your credit card number.  I have many pictures of the horniest hottest Asian teens just waiting for you...

"Exterminate all rational thought." - W.S. Burroughs

Ah! (4.00 / 6) (#24)
by rdskutter on Tue Oct 29, 2002 at 11:53:00 AM EST

So the AutoPr0n listing is just links to TGPs.

It all beginning to make sense now.


If you're a jock, inflict some pain / If you're a nerd then use your brain - DAPHNE AND CELESTE

Wow (3.62 / 8) (#25)
by Rush Limbaugh on Tue Oct 29, 2002 at 12:05:30 PM EST

I haven't seen so many people vote almost unanimously for an article for a long time. It seems that a lot of Kuro5hin readers really are considering making a porn site.

Any questions? (3.85 / 7) (#27)
by anon868 on Tue Oct 29, 2002 at 12:13:03 PM EST

Sorry, I should have mentioned this before. I had to leave out at least 3 times as much as I actually put in the article. I've been trying to answer the questions as the come up, so if you have any questions, don't be afraid to ask.
Open a window. No, not that one! One made from actual glass, set in an acual wall, you dork.
who wants to be a millionaire? (4.00 / 7) (#29)
by nex on Tue Oct 29, 2002 at 12:20:54 PM EST

being both a software engineer and a web designer, i'm sure i could automate the processes described above fairly well and bring down the required human interaction to a minimum after about two or three weeks. even the descriptions can be automatically generated -- i mean, there's software out there that writes price-winning novels, it sure can compose three-liners for wankers.

and being a more or less talented photographer usign somewhat serious equipment, i surely could shoot pictures of sufficient quality myself.

so... are there some good-looking, unreserved models out there who'd like to make some money?

i guess i fill a niche, i'll do bullshit-eating parachuting amputated goth girls on crack, or something.

Supply side more profitable (4.16 / 12) (#31)
by bc on Tue Oct 29, 2002 at 12:30:14 PM EST

Farl is in the supply side, if you like - he takes thousands of pictures every week of naked women doing despicable acts.

I understand his main source of revenue is the TGP mugs, there are thousands of them desperate for content rights.

So although his margins are small, with thousands of sluts out there and a decent digital camera he can rack up a few thousand dollars a week, especially as he can liscence each pic multiple times for different rights and usages.

He was telling me about it once quite extensively, it's very interesting.

♥, bc.

The Hun (3.40 / 5) (#35)
by bayankaran on Tue Oct 29, 2002 at 12:39:01 PM EST

Wow...I am surfing porn for the last three or four years and I never got into The Hun...this proves that I have seen just a speck of dust in the universe of porn.

TGP lists (4.00 / 3) (#42)
by MotorMachineMercenary on Tue Oct 29, 2002 at 01:11:36 PM EST

So you're saying that these TGP lists are where the real money is at. Where does the money come from, the top 5 advertising TGPs, banner ads, where? Can you get free bandwidth from these adult webhosts on your own hornyredheadeddevilsminions.com, or do you have to buy the bandwidth and/or domain?

I would imagine going through all the submissions daily would be even harder (ahem) work than putting up TGPs, btw.

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How to get large chunks of porn free (3.88 / 9) (#44)
by Meatbomb on Tue Oct 29, 2002 at 01:37:24 PM EST

You are planning (wink, ahem, nudge) to become a TGP king, real soon. Any site you find that you like, well you want to promote and work for that site, right?

It's usually an easy automated process to sign up to be a TGP farmer, they'll send you your password and billing number, and the address that they'll send the cheques to, plus the address to their promotional content files. For now, until you get your TGP site happening, they can just send those cheques to 123 Anystreet USA. They want to know your website address, so before you actually have your site up, direct them to the Library of Congress. You can always let them know your real TGP list address later.

But for now, while you get your site organized, you can go log in to their place as a webmaster now, and download their thick MB of offerings, all in nice big zip files for quick easy download. No more page by page clicking and saving.

Now, before I get started on that website, let's just have a lookie at these materials I'll be working with. Hmmm, very interesting...



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Evil explained (4.50 / 4) (#48)
by tetsuwan on Tue Oct 29, 2002 at 01:58:22 PM EST

I now understand why there isn't any free findable non-P2P porn on the net anymore, why the things you find are always of lousy or annoying quality. Five years ago, you could find things at sites like fuzzbutt. The sheer amount of crap and pop-ups one encounters today has turned me away from porn-surfing.

Njal's Saga: Just like Romeo & Juliet without the romance

Way to destroy the mysticism (4.28 / 14) (#51)
by Tatarigami on Tue Oct 29, 2002 at 02:41:16 PM EST

Here I thought pornographers were modern gods, jetsetting around the world to exotic locations in private planes upholstered in mink fur, surrounded by women for whom the sight of a tuft of chest hair is an irresistable aphrodesiac.

Now I find out they're just ordinary people like me. One more treasured myth exploded...

TGP lists? (3.50 / 4) (#54)
by heng on Tue Oct 29, 2002 at 04:03:02 PM EST

Why not just set up a thumbnail list? It seems like far less hassle. All you have to do is get some banners up and some TGP sites to list (which apparently people are queing up to do).

ah, multilevel marketing (3.10 / 10) (#61)
by dr k on Tue Oct 29, 2002 at 05:04:44 PM EST

What, the guys on the bottom are doing all the hard work? No surprise there. Of course you can make money selling porn if you work real hard -- and you can make money stuffing envelopes, too. But if you think about it for just, oh, five seconds, you realize that a money making opportunity that doesn't take any real knowledge or talent -- like most of the real estate kits sold on infomercials -- means you will be competing against hordes of other untalented people and the odds just aren't very good. Work hard at it today, and you'll still have to work hard at it tomorrow.


Destroy all trusted users!

Naval intelligence? (4.61 / 13) (#62)
by seebs on Tue Oct 29, 2002 at 05:06:46 PM EST

A friend of mine works in U.S. Naval intelligence, and is forbidden from saying anything more about what he does than "I look at pictures."  (A relative does the same sort of thing, only her line is "I listen to the radio a lot.")

I think you've finally explained what he does.


homepage.nu (4.50 / 8) (#65)
by dipierro on Tue Oct 29, 2002 at 06:01:34 PM EST

One month in '98 (or maybe it was '99) I made $3000 providing people with a static webpage address (yourname.homepage.nu) and putting some crappy Fortunecity ad at the bottom. I used to shut down the really bad porn sites, and anyone who got accused of spamming. Damn, those were the days. Oh yeah, it must have been '99, cause that was the year I got screwed to hell in income taxes. I don't even own the address any more, but the people who do are doing basically the same thing as I was.

You forgot to mention the hidden dangers (3.37 / 8) (#69)
by mayo on Tue Oct 29, 2002 at 07:21:34 PM EST

You forgot to mention the hidden dangers like RSI, severe dehydration and bruising that result from excsessive, well ridiculous really, amounts of masturbation. Wow that's really kinda kinky, it never even occurred to me to jerk the gherkin at work before, probably because I work in the IT section...

Models (4.00 / 4) (#72)
by egg troll on Tue Oct 29, 2002 at 08:05:37 PM EST

I know that you may not have done this directly, but what's the average rate to hire a model for adult photos?

He's a bondage fan, a gastronome, a sensualist
Unparalleled for sinister lasciviousness.

Similar personal tale of working in porn (4.00 / 5) (#82)
by fraying on Tue Oct 29, 2002 at 10:00:50 PM EST

Just wanted to chime in with a link to an old {fray} story about working in the porn biz from the personal angle: Interesting by Alex Massie.

Stealing your hard work (4.90 / 10) (#85)
by luserSPAZ on Tue Oct 29, 2002 at 11:18:38 PM EST

Yeah, I steal from people like you.  I wrote a nice perl script to scrape The Hun and its ilk for links, filter based on description, and download the contents of the TGPs.  It then thumbnails and categorizes them, and presents a clean interface for viewing.  I can view some 100+Mb of porn a day without so much as seeing your banner ads.  Still working on image matching technology to filter out duplicates (It uses MD5 checksums right now, but that won't handle differently compressed jpegs).

I almost feel bad, except I don't.  If you didn't want me to view it, you wouldn't put it up on the web.

It seems (3.66 / 3) (#95)
by auraslip on Wed Oct 30, 2002 at 01:58:59 AM EST

to me that as making money on the internet (and the rest of the world) goes following a set path will only get you what everyone else makes.
The real money makers, those are the people that do new and differant things that fill a niche so to speak.
Following the path tread by thousand of other "entreupneaurs"(sp) will get you just what they promised, and not much more. Much like in real life.
Go to college so you can get a job, but don't think it'll make you a millioner
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Kind of missing the moral to the story (3.50 / 16) (#100)
by kholmes on Wed Oct 30, 2002 at 02:30:29 AM EST

"Instead, I chose to quit. Why? Was it the ethical implications of selling porn, of convincing people to subscribe to pay sites that I had never even seen myself, the possible exploitation of the models? No."

Somehow I was hoping you'd discover the evil in the whole business, but instead fretted on how hard the job was and how much money we could all be making.

Its very disturbing, in the same way that people willingly taking jobs as phone telemarketers is disturbing--the trend that enough money justifies all evils.

If I might be offtopic for a bit, what form of ethics allows one to be comfortable in this?

If you treat people as most people treat things and treat things as most people treat people, you might be a Randian.

it is said... (1.50 / 16) (#101)
by johwsun on Wed Oct 30, 2002 at 02:35:00 AM EST

..that all sins are against others, but porn is the only sin that is against yourself....

anyway...what else can I say about porn? I think I cant say anything else...

interesting to learn (1.77 / 9) (#115)
by mami on Wed Oct 30, 2002 at 05:24:11 AM EST

that geek pimps have to work hard to become dysfunctional.

had to change my mouse to left handed... (1.64 / 14) (#116)
by obyteme on Wed Oct 30, 2002 at 05:37:17 AM EST

cause the right hand is busy!

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Actually an encouraging picture... (4.66 / 3) (#133)
by rkent on Wed Oct 30, 2002 at 10:03:57 AM EST

I actually found this story to be *encouraging* about the prospects of making money as a porn-pusher. Sure, it's "hard work," but let's look at the details:
  1. it cost you all of $140 for the "training" necessary to break into the biz, and
  2. you had to go "over a month" without seeing any return on your investment.
Now, I know if you're otherwise jobless, that could hurt, but it's a DAZZLING rate of return as businesses go. Thing about starting a restaurant, where you almost certainly won't profit for at least 3 years, and then very little. This is WAY better! Basically you give up 2 months of nights and weekends to learn the ropes, and then you start breaking even and can pay off the expenses incurred over the first couple of months.

Also, a real entrepreneur would seriously consider hiring a $20-per-hour lackey to do the repetitive manual submission to the various lists. Of course this cuts into your profits, but it virtually eliminates your time obligation and enables you to pursue other opportunities while you're still making (admittedly just a little) money.

I wouldn't (2.50 / 4) (#135)
by karjala on Wed Oct 30, 2002 at 10:12:30 AM EST

I would get paid to look at corn. But porn? No, thanks...

Click Through (4.00 / 2) (#136)
by craigtubby on Wed Oct 30, 2002 at 10:26:55 AM EST

So am I right in thinking that only 1 out of 200,000 page impressions will result in you making a sale.

A sales site that I help look after (not porn related at all) converts maybe 1 out of every 30 unique hosts into a sale - Just out of curiosity what purchase rate do other people get?

try to make ends meet, you're a slave to money, then you die.

* Webpage *

Nice Piece. (3.75 / 4) (#139)
by a2800276 on Wed Oct 30, 2002 at 10:43:53 AM EST

All the obvious joking about getting paid to wank off, having a go with the models, getting rich etc. etc. aside, this was really an excellent story. One of the best I've read here in a long time. Nicely written, grabs your attention, keeps you interested. A topic that most people (well most guys anyway) have probably wondered about to some extend and about which very few insightful articles exist. Too bad this kind of thing isn't of much use on your CV if you're still out looking for a job. Good Luck with that and keep up the good writing.

Usenet, people! (4.85 / 7) (#143)
by JohnnyBolla on Wed Oct 30, 2002 at 12:15:41 PM EST

Anyone who pays for porn is either in a hurry or not very knowledgable in the ways of the net. With a news robot you can get as much porn as you want, free, everyday.

Business suggestion (4.33 / 3) (#144)
by ebatsky on Wed Oct 30, 2002 at 12:29:13 PM EST

Seeing as you have a lot of information and are able to put into a nice, readable form, why don't you create a new website, www.superioradultwebmasterschool.com which will charge $100 instead of $140 for access and become rich that way?

AHAHAHAHAHA (4.42 / 7) (#153)
by autopr0n on Wed Oct 30, 2002 at 03:16:57 PM EST

If you thought you were selling porn, you were sadly mistaken. What you were selling was traffic. From TGPs to pay porn sites (or other services), woven though an army of TG monkies.

I can't belive you spent $140 to learn that stuff. I set up two or three TGs back in highschool (with stolen images I guess) on XOOM once and got over 20k hits. When I only got one conversion, I realized it was a waste of time.

(This was after I ripped off Xpics for about $3600 by setting up my computer to log off the 'net and back on, getting a new IP each time and 'clicking' a bunch of ads. It didn't violate their TOS so what the hell :P)

Anyway, that process should have been obvious to anyone who ever surfs for porn. For $150 you could have hired a hooker, taken pictures of her, and sold them to some pay sites or TGP monkies or something.

No. Once I had got my pattern down, it was taking me about 3-4 hours a night (every night) to get the content, create the pages, upload them, and submit them. And there was no such thing as weekends off, on weekends, I'd have to spend 8-9 hours looking for fresh content in addition to building pages. All of this was on top of a full time job- I'm a laid off dot-commer. It turns out, there's practically no limit to the amount of money you can make, but it's really hard work. Let me repeat that. It's really hard work.

See, TGP monkey. This a job for a computer, not a person.


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What a load of crap (2.50 / 2) (#159)
by dirvish on Wed Oct 30, 2002 at 04:54:00 PM EST

The real way to do it is to have the crappiest site possible. Just throw up a couple really lame pics.

The keys are to carefully select your banner ads and to somehow drive massive amounts of traffic to the site.

The shittier the site is, the more likely it is that visitors will click on the banner ads. You don't want them to stay on your site!

If you are worried about repeat visitors you can change up your lame pics every day (it easy to create a script to do this for you).

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Interesting links... (4.50 / 2) (#165)
by faustus on Wed Oct 30, 2002 at 06:54:39 PM EST

...in the realm of porn.

God forbid you have to work hard. (3.50 / 4) (#168)
by tacomacide on Wed Oct 30, 2002 at 08:34:55 PM EST

I've "dabbled" in internet porn previously. I wrote widely used TGP and CJ scripts, and ran a TGP that was getting appx. 50k unique hits a day with a conversion ratio (one sponsor) of 1:500 at $5/pop. The internet porn industry is very saturated, so how could I get those kind of numbers? It's called niche porn. Target your audience and they will target their money. But I doubt they tought you this at porn school. Of course, providing tips and tricks to adult webmasters is as much of a niche as ebony anal. You're a consumer.

God forbid you actually have to work hard for the money you bring in. Heaven forbid you have to sit on your ass, surf the net, and look at porn 8 hours a day. After all, what would mommy think?

She would think "Wow, my son is making 6 figures. Nice BMW, son, and thanks for the daimond earrings."

*** ANONYMIZED ***

skip the middle man (3.00 / 1) (#170)
by bofn101 on Wed Oct 30, 2002 at 08:54:13 PM EST

What is keeping someone from putting up his/her own site with quality content leeched from other sites ?
putting in a credit card members area.
and become an 'independant' porn site making money of the monkeys, with out putting much efford into maintainting the garbage bin.

Or will the cyber maffia knock on your gateway telling you they will strangle your T3 and kill all your family laptops !?

//bofn

I Make Porn Sites and make alot of $$$ (3.00 / 6) (#183)
by BBoyStance on Thu Oct 31, 2002 at 07:50:33 AM EST

Hey everyone.. this thread was pointed out to me by a friend so id thought id input in to the conversation since i'm in the industry and im doing very well for myself.

Firstly, id just like to say that TGP traffic IS the worse possible traffic that you can every have for an adult site. All the surfers that go to TGP sites are all there looking for FREE porn and it is very unlikely that they would pay for it. Same with all the people that get porn from newsgroup. They all know about free porn and are very unlikely to buy a membership.

Theres no point in sending 10 millions unique hits to a site when none of them want to buy porn or even want the porn that is displayed on your site.

The way to actually make more money from adult sites is to get traffic that is more likely to convert. Some of my best sites convert at 1:60. The only problem is getting that converting traffic and this is what sets good adult webmasters a part from others.

You'll also need content that will convert people. No one wants to see the same old pics that have been posted everywhere all over the net for free. Take this site for example M.I.L.F Search. It converts very well.

Once you understand the market that you are selling your porduct to, you then will start making money.

Some people that I use to work for now drive around in BMW M3s all day and live in VERY nice penthouse suits. I know the potential of the market and there is no way that im gonna stop.



why this story sucks goats (2.80 / 10) (#191)
by turmeric on Thu Oct 31, 2002 at 12:51:10 PM EST

i am not against sexuality, i am not against pictures of people having sex, i am not against love and kindness and eroticism and spirituality and marriage and good male-female relations.

however, i am disturbed by this story as well as the comments. the story and the comments are completely focused on tgp and porn galleries. not only do they fail to address any sort of issues involving the first amendment, hypocrisy, etc etc etc, they even go so far as to say 'who gives a shit'. even the most basic consideration, the most basic 'question asking', the foundation of logic, science, and philosophy themselves, the ability and right and respect for the asking of questions, for the analysis and the 'digging deep' into a subject, they have all be trashed and treated badly by this story and by the comments here.

it is like any boss in a factory, there are those who could care less about their workers toiling on the line: in this case the workers are women. or better it is like someone trading chinese goods in a western port: they could care less where the goods come from or how they were made? or best: it is like lenin, who when was challenged on his orders to slaughter thousands of people, was not only dismissive, but acted 'puzzled', as in 'why would you give a crap about death? what is the matter with you'?

and here i sse the same attitude displayed towards the people who do the work: the porn models.

not only do they get crapped on by society for being 'dirty' and 'low', they also get crapped on by not being payed in any relation to the revenue they generate. 'the hun' boss is nothing more than andrew carnegie or so forth, reaping huge profits by exploiting labor.

furthermore there is a big issue in the industry about age, and consent, and so forth. drugged out people in porn movies are not consenting, and in fact are being assaulted. it is no different than extras on a movie being hurt unwittingly. this issue is important and if you go into the business without givign a crap then guess whose side you are supporting? the evil one. a drug addict whose dealer/whoever makes her pay back by doing porn, that is not consent either, and taking part in that 'transaction' is not some innocent consumerist act. . . but in reality arent we are all connected to each other. . .

. perhaps industrialization and automation can fool our senses andour instincts to make us feel separate but arent we really just like we were there in real life?



Funny how this scorched to the front page (1.00 / 4) (#210)
by S1ack3rThanThou on Thu Oct 31, 2002 at 06:16:02 PM EST

Guess we can all see now how "the migration" has affected K5.

It's not particularly challenging in any manner nor does it raise any issues or arguments, except by their omission. It is no better or worse than any other "introduction to", yet it appeared on the front page through the democracy of K5. As I have said before,though maybe not on K5, democracy only works when the right people vote. (I hope the "right" people are people that don't just vote with their penis.) The argument is how to determine who is right. I'm not concerned by this story being voted up, I think it is fine as a section story, my concern is how fast and without competition it appeared.

"Remember what the dormouse said, feed your head..."

Has anyone considered.... (3.80 / 5) (#215)
by psyconaut on Thu Oct 31, 2002 at 06:55:29 PM EST

...that the links on this might be a deeply trolled form of advertising for said sites? ;-)

-psyco

Bait N' Switch - Value Added (4.50 / 4) (#229)
by Blarney on Fri Nov 01, 2002 at 04:01:00 AM EST

I think I understand this. Your job is to drive traffic to various adult sites by creating and distributing attractive, effective advertising. Now, if it was my job to create a commercial for Product X I'd generally get some Product X from my employer, take pics and video of Product X, and design some written or spoken slogans and exhortations to purchase Product X. Yet you don't do that!

Instead of creating Thumbnail Galleries out of material from the sites which you are paid to promote, you have to go out and buy OTHER pornography to use in your ads. This cheats the customers because they might buy a membership expecting to see more stripping cheerleaders and find nothing but old ladies making coffee while naked or similarly unexciting material.

Why don't the people who you advertise for give you promo material? Because their photos are not in infinite supply - they want to keep at least a few to sell for themselves without giving them out to hordes of entrepreneurs like you - and they'd end up giving out the same ones to 100 TGP posters and not getting good advertisement variety. I see why - but you end up basically tricking people into buying a pig in a poke, an undisclosed commodity. That might be part of the reason for the low conversion rate - you've already given out your quality, new photos for free, and why waste money on something that is being sold sight unseen?

This reminds me of the Boomtime stories of "turnkey" businesses - you could contract a website builder, an advertising agency, an order fullfillment company, and an outsourced customer service facility. Put them all together and it's instant e-commerce business for you! But none of this ever made anybody money, because the people who were doing this weren't adding any value. Sure, the contractors made money, but competition forced the margins down to zero for the entrepreneur who bought into this scheme. Your instant-porn business sounds a lot the same. Yeah, you can make a little money, but you could make a little money at a crummy retail job and not work yourself to death.



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