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Where is all the Holistic Porn?

By greenrd in greenrd's Diary
Tue Oct 01, 2002 at 08:33:54 PM EST
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I'm sure I'm not the only one who'd like to know.

Let me explain what I mean by Holistic Porn. What it would be is porn that would appeal strongly to both genders, and would encompass both visual titillation, passionate romance, and whatever it is in textual sex stories that is so popular with certain women (apart from passionate romance - I understand it's not just that?)

I understand that not everyone finds romance a plus point for porn, so some holistic porn could leave out the romance aspect, but still keep the other two bits.
Holistic porn, if it [could be / is being] done, would address four issues (in no particular order):

Sex educators complain that porn gives people a skewed view of real relationships. Holistic porn could have more realistic depictions of relationships that are still arousing, and could even be educational. As Judith Levine points out perceptively in her sterling book Harmful to Minors: The Perils of Protecting Children From Sex, remarkable for its uniform absence is any discussion, let alone celebration, of pleasure in even "progressive" sex education.

Some men (and I know I'm not the only one), while not necessarily denigrating ordinary porn, would like to find more porn that combines visual titillation with romantic "mushiness", or whatever you want to call it. It would have to be watchable and well-done, of course, not some ham acting rubbish.

Many women say that most/all porn that they've seen is boring/unarousing for them. It would be nice to have a whole genre of porn that straight couples could enjoy watching/viewing together, without having to search through mountains of junk for something interesting. (Some gay porn might be very arousing for some women, but it's not really suitable for viewing with a straight boyfriend).

If it portrayed a realistic story and portrayed women with great respect, it would stand as a concrete counterexample to the argument that porn is inherently degrading to women. (OK, gay male porn is already a counterexample to that, surely! - but still, I would appreciate having a highly compelling straight counterexample as well.)

Any suggestions? Where would those of us who are interested in this sort of thing find it? (And which keywords would we search for to find more of it?) Is it simply uneconomic to produce (eh? really?), or is it an untapped market, or is tapped and we're just looking in the wrong place? Maybe these are stupid questions, but like I said, I know I'm not the only one who'd like to know, and I'm sure others would be grateful to find out as well if it is available.
I don't care if you call it "erotica" or "porn" or something else - or whether it's produced by Hollywood or by two lovers in their back garden - none of that really enters into my definition. To me, porn is anything that is intended primarily to sexually arouse - so even fully-clothed cam godesses flaunting their stuff on camrecord.com can count as pornographic. I know that's a very broad, transgressive definition, but that's what I mean for the purposes of scoping out what "Holistic Porn" is.
_{P.S. No predictable infantile jokes based around the word "hole", please.}

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Poll

What is your gender, and would you be interested in Holistic Porn?

Male, yes 70%

Male, yes, I already watch it 5%

Male, no 15%

Male, I never look at porn 0%

Female, yes 10%

Female, yes, I already watch it 0%

Female, no 0%

Female, I never look at porn 0%

Votes: 20
Results | Other Polls

Where is all the Holistic Porn? | 13 comments (13 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Generalized, homogenized crap (5.00 / 1) (#1)
by DesiredUsername on Tue Oct 01, 2002 at 08:42:06 PM EST

Would I be able to buy this "everybody likes it, nobody objects to it" porn at WalMart?

I like to get my porn at specialty Mom & Pop establishments that support the local economy.

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On the contrary by greenrd, 10/01/2002 09:07:12 PM EST (5.00 / 1)

Would this "holistic porn" by DesiredUsername, 10/01/2002 09:13:41 PM EST (5.00 / 1)

for the love of God, yes. (5.00 / 2) (#2)
by regeya on Tue Oct 01, 2002 at 08:42:49 PM EST

I'm male, and I find most pornography I've seen to be boring. Ultimately arousing, yes, but boring nonetheless. Lots of shots of genitals, lots of monotonous pounding, lots of moaning (screaming also) to try to fool the audience into thinking the woman (I'm narrowing this to hetero couples--I know there's a lot more out there than just that ) is enjoying it, and then -- wait for it -- the cumshot. Yeesh. There's no romance, and not even what I'd call sex -- just fucking.

A teacher at my wife's school is losing her job over showing porn in her classroom. No, really. At a small school in a small town. Yeah. She sent a note home to parents asking permission to show a "sex ed" video -- and showed a porno. Her defense is that she was showing kids what the sexual act was. If she got something suitably bad, maybe she'll scare a few preteens out of quickies. ;-D

I've seen some porn that claims to be "for women" and really, it's cheesy and basically what separates it from "regular" porn is that there's less focus on tight shots of some dope pounding away, less focus on oral sex (why do my fellow men -- myself included -- get turned on by images of women giving blowjobs? seems like some porn has longer blowjobs than actual sex) and none of the goofy cumshots. It's still porn with bad acting, though.

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"than actual sex" by the, 10/01/2002 08:55:29 PM EST (5.00 / 2)

hehehe by regeya, 10/01/2002 09:04:14 PM EST (5.00 / 1)

Blow jobs by leviramsey, 10/01/2002 09:03:46 PM EST (none / 0)

Makes you think by regeya, 10/01/2002 09:06:03 PM EST (5.00 / 2)

People with talent don't do porn by paxtech, 10/01/2002 09:27:50 PM EST (5.00 / 1)

Candida Royalle (5.00 / 2) (#4)
by leviramsey on Tue Oct 01, 2002 at 09:01:09 PM EST

A former pr0n actress turned director, Royalle's films have a reputation for being appealing to both genders. I cannot say that I have seen any of her work, though.

The industry was headed toward that in the late-70s and early-80s. As the budgets climbed, the producers began to see the need for greater appeal to women, having saturated (so they thought) the male market.

Then videotape came along and slashed the production and distribution costs. With no need to court both genders and with little difference in sales (face it, when one's looking to jack off, it don't really matter what tape you rent (within reason)), the market favors the tapes that can be made the cheapest and appeal to the lowest common denominator.

I don't have any suggestions except... (5.00 / 1) (#11)
by superdiva on Tue Oct 01, 2002 at 09:35:06 PM EST

I would maybe like to see a very good remake of Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence.

It's amazing how Lawrence contrasts Lady Chatterley's and Mellors lovemaking against the stifling and deadening effects of class boundaries, intellectualism, and the Great War.
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I've wondered about this (none / 0) (#12)
by Simon Kinahan on Sun Oct 06, 2002 at 12:51:25 PM EST

I find most porn - especially video porn, but it goes for a lot of static pics too - very boring, and not very titillating. There's too much moaning, too many close-ups of genitals and fluids, and the people involved don't really seem to be enjoying themselves. There's not enough ... well, tenderness, actually.

Interestingly, I came across a book of pornographic Victorian photo plates, and the emphasis on mechanics and lack of human contact apparent on most modern porn didn't seem to be present there.

I wonder about how this dehumanisation of sex in pornography affects people's (especially men's) sex lives. I certainly wouldn't say it was a positive influence on mine. I also wonder how it relates to not talking about pleasure from sex. Maybe the taboo around sex itself has been replaced by a taboo on emotional involvement in it ?

Simon

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Dude, there is porn for people like you. (none / 0) (#13)
by la princesa on Sun Oct 06, 2002 at 03:03:30 PM EST

It's called 'Skinemax'. Some of it even has decent acting. Most of it is written and directed by girls, with girls behind the cameras fairly often. Also, according to the cable stats, about half the viewers are chicks. So really, as usual, it is out there but you have failed completely to find what others can quite easily. Ta.

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Where is all the Holistic Porn? | 13 comments (13 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

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