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My horrific trip through detox.

By watchmaker in Op-Ed
Wed Aug 29, 2001 at 10:57:25 PM EST
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I sat on a cheap green plastic lawn chair provided by some misguided City parks department functionary. 72 degrees and sunny, a calm comfortable breeze floated across the square as I sat and watched children play at the base of the fountain, and old men throwing bread to the pigeons. Despite the Norman Rockwell like scene around me, I writhed in agony.


To call it a headache would be irresponsible. Needles of fire jabbed at my frontal lobes from just behind my eyebrows, radiating a pulsating pain up over my scalp and down the back of my neck. My breath was short. My heart palpitated pitifully in my chest. Acidic waves of nausea beat at my stomach.

Though the day was relatively cool and I hadn't moved from my seat in half an hour, my body was drenched in a cold sweat. I was in the throes of a the type drug detox you see in movies.

On the table in front of me was the very substance I was struggling so hard to expunge from my body. It sat there taunting me, daring me to ingest. Looking around the square I counted twenty people ingesting the same evil drug.

My resolve shattered, I grabbed the bottle, twisted open the cap, and drank the entire twenty ounce Mountain Dew without stopping.

In the days of my youth I was impervious to caffeine. I could drink as much or as little as I wanted without any odd side effects. In college I earned the nickname 'Dewhound' for a while after I drank 24 cans of Mountain Dew in 36 hours during exam week.

In early 1992 I got sick. Really sick. The doctors diagnosed it as Mononucleoisis. That's right. Mono. Six weeks flat on my back, the act of getting out of bed to stumble to the bathroom to pee was a major undertaking.

Why do I bring this up in a discussion about caffeine? Because something chemically changed in my body after mono. I no longer metabolized caffeine in the same way. And I needed more and more to stave off the fatique and headaches.

By 1995 my "habit" was up to five twenty ounce Mountain Dew's a day. Any less and I got a headache. I can't stand the taste of coffee, and at the time there wasnt a realistic alternative like Water Joe, so Mountain Dew it was.

Realizing the hold the chemical was exerting over me I decided to take a drastic step. In the fall of 1995 I gave up caffeine cold turkey. My body's reaction was quite amazing. It reminded me of movie depictions of hard core detox, such as the depictions of Sherlock Holmes detox from Cocaine in The Seven Percent Solution.

Piercing migraine headaches, cold sweats, heart palpitations, wild uncontrollable mood swings. For two full weeks I stuck it out through symptoms that trailed off all too slowly. And then, I was clean. And for the next five years I remained clean. The hardest part was restaurants, as few decent restaurants serve anything caffeine free other than the white soft drinks, and here in Ohio, most serve Slice. I'd rather go thirsty than drink Slice, so I ordered Ice Water. I still do.

In early 2000 I wanted to get in better shape and undertook an exercise and supplement program which included a fat burning pill that contained Ephedra and Caffeine. After five years clean it was a real moral dilemma for me, should I fall off the wagon and begin to take caffeine again? I decided that I could handle the caffeine in controlled doses and took it for five days.

Saturday, my first Off day on the program, I didnt take the fat burner. By noon I had a headache. Painfully I realized I was effectively hooked again.

For a myriad of uninteresting reasons the exercise program went away, and I was stuck again drinking Mountain Dew to feed my habit.

Gaining resolve in the arbitrary name of "The New Millennium", I detoxed again in early 2001, going through roughly the same symptoms. Of course, this time I have children. The rapid and unpredictable mood swings this time led me to ruin my birthday by screaming at my family, causing my five year old to avoid me. Ah, yes. Fun stuff caffeine.

Shortly after I was clean again I began to notice a real malaise settling over my life. Anger, depression, anxiety, whatever you care to call it, it was becoming harder and harder to do my job. As I was struggling to be one of the few who managed to avoid being dotcom downsized (I didn't. I'm part of your April layoff numbers.) I needed that illusory sense of clarity that caffeine provides. I was happy in January -- So the twisted logic goes -- and am unhappy now. And so, I made a conscious choice to "medicate" myself with caffeine.

This time, I decided to go about it scientifically. Instead of five mountain dew's a day, my drug of choice was now no-doz. 200mg of caffeine with my morning OJ. And, like all good gateway drugs, my step up into a world of harder pharaceuticals didnt go very well.

This time within a week I was not only hooked but craving. By the middle of week two it was a No Doz and a Mountain Dew (about 90ish mg in a 20oz). By the end of week four it was two Dews.

The amazing part of this trip through was the paranoia, anxiety and depression. If I was awake, I was in some form of anxiety. A cop pulling into traffic behind me was a true fight or flight adrenaline reaction. My life had effectively boiled down to a witty joke...

Why are you depressed?
-- I'm awake, aren't I?

And, while I was able to concentrate on my work better, it became obvious I needed to yet again detox. I'd made it before, I was sure I could make it again. What's a little pain?

For as difficult as my time on caffeine had become, the detox was the same tenfold. More anxiety, paranoia, raw fear, depression. Stronger, near-debilitating migraines. Cold sweats. Shortness of breath. Heart Palpitations. Acidic nausea. The pain in my chest strong enough that I wondered nihilistically to myself if I was going to die.

The scenario in the intro to this story actually happened. On a bright, sunny, breezy afternoon I sat on my lunch hour in misery on Cincinnati's Fountain Square in the heart of downtown. I sat and stared at a 20oz Mountain Dew the way an Alcoholic would a bottle of scotch. I hated the people around me for their happiness. I hated them for their bottles of Coke. And I hated myself as I drank.

Now, don't get me wrong, not everyone metabolizes caffeine the way my body does. And while the above may sound grossly melodramatic to those who can partake of caffeine with impunity (such as, unfortunately, my wife.) I assure you all of the above is true.

And so now, as I sit here after an almost five week detox my only question is this...

Why do people laugh knowingly with someone who says "I can't function without my coffee", when they would huddle in hushed, concerned, conspiratorial conversation about someone who said "I just can't function without my Scotch."?

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My horrific trip through detox. | 117 comments (115 topical, 2 editorial, 0 hidden)
Hrmmm (3.80 / 5) (#1)
by delmoi on Wed Aug 29, 2001 at 07:42:12 PM EST

Why do people laugh knowingly with someone who says "I can't function without my coffee", when they would huddle in hushed, concerned, conspiratorial conversation about someone who said "I just can't function without my Scotch."?

Well, being on caffine dosn't cause the same problems that being on Alcohol does. I mean it's not like people go around wife-beating and crashing cars while caffinated the same way they do when drunk.

Anyway, maybe you should see a doctor?
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How I beat the big C habit (3.80 / 5) (#2)
by X-Nc on Wed Aug 29, 2001 at 07:44:37 PM EST

Back 20 years ago when I was in collage my first semister was pretty much spent drinking Cokes. For three months I averaged 25 cans a day. No lie. I was able to bring that down to between 15 and 18 for 18 years. Then 6 years ago I came down with a very bad form of Fibromyalgia. Caffine is very bad for FM. I had to quit cold. I switched to Sprites (or 7 UP or Mist). It was not easy but I was able to beat the headaches and the shakes after a few weeks.

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A short addendum. (5.00 / 7) (#3)
by watchmaker on Wed Aug 29, 2001 at 07:54:50 PM EST

No, I don't think that what I went through is as bad or worse as what people go through with alcohol or drug addiction. Caffeine never made me rob a convenience store. I never physically assaulted anyone or passed out in a stupor under a highway overpass. I never sucked cock for a No-Doz fix.

But what I went through WAS in fact a drug detox. It WAS in fact excruciatingly difficult. I did in fact wonder if I was dying at one point.

This story was originally written as a comment to the earlier Red Bull story. When it became obvious that it was getting long, I cut and pasted it into a story submission.

And for those that care, I am now finally healthy again. No headaches. No anxiety. No depression. I consider this an abject lesson in the limits of my physiology. Sometimes the rat has to get shocked a few times before he stops hitting the red button.

Try ephedra without caffeine. (4.00 / 3) (#4)
by la princesa on Wed Aug 29, 2001 at 08:03:20 PM EST

There are diet pills/fatburners that contain just ephedra (as ma huang) and no caffeine. You may have to check a lot of bottles, but there is always at least one caffeine-free offering. Ephedra is MUCH stronger per dose than caffeine. The ratio is something like 20mg ephedra/400mg caffeine. Ephedra comes in 10 or 20mg pills generally. If your body primarily needs the stimulant effect, you could likely get away with one or two 10mg pills per day and over a couple of months wean down to half a 10mg pill a day or something similar. I've got ADD tendencies and I found that ephedra offers the same focus as caffeine without giving one caffeine nausea. Don't know if you have ADD or not, but ephedra without caffeine would be a smaller amount of chemicals in your body than all that mountain dew and you'd still have the same alertness benefits.

Perceptions (4.20 / 5) (#5)
by yosemite on Wed Aug 29, 2001 at 08:20:00 PM EST

Why do people laugh knowingly with someone who says "I can't function without my coffee", when they would huddle in hushed, concerned, conspiratorial conversation about someone who said "I just can't function without my Scotch."?
It wasn't that long ago that alcoholism was viewed with a wink and a nod, too. Some time, check out the old "Mary Tyler Moore" shows. The ones where Lou Grant keeps a bottle of booze in his desk, and comes into work hung-over. It's played for laughs.

Beyond that, I see two things that differentiate alcohol and caffeine:

  • Most people just don't seem to find the effects of caffeine as debilitating or as addictive as you do.
  • When people to get hopped up on caffeine and go crash their car, it's usually blamed on sleep depravation and not the caffeine.
The bottom line is this: it doesn't matter what society's attitude towards the substance of your addiction is. Until you realize that "just a little won't hurt" is a dirty lie, you'll never be free.

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Different types of addiction (3.40 / 5) (#6)
by mmcc on Wed Aug 29, 2001 at 08:23:11 PM EST

The difference is simply who i've met. I have met several alcoholics, and a few (hard) drug users, but of all the coffee drinkers i've met, never once have i seen someone who couldn't take their coffee. I've never thought about coffee as a truely addictive substance.

That being said, the human mind can be addicted to lots of stuff. I've met a sex addict... he was a married guy who needed to go out and pick up very regularly (eg. every night) to make himself feel good.

IMO, addiction alone doesn't stuff up one's life. Addicts already think they have a stuffed up life, and their addiction just make things worse for them.

Have you every met another caffine addict?



Caffeine addiction is no joke (4.00 / 5) (#14)
by cyclopatra on Wed Aug 29, 2001 at 10:48:38 PM EST

...I voted this +1 despite some rambling because I'm sick of people who don't drink caffeine regularly (or are lucky enough to somehow not get addicted to it) laughing when I describe the withdrawal symptoms I go through by...oh, starting around 10am or so - if I don't get my caffeine. People who haven't experienced it honestly think the rest of us are joking, or exaggerating.

Now, I'm not claiming that this is like quitting, say, heroin, but it's sure a lot more physically painful than quitting smoking was for me. When I quit smoking, I got jumpy, a little achy in the mornings, hungry, and I had a bit of a cough. That was it. When I tried to cut out the caffeine, I had splitting headaches, cluster stylie, blurred or double vision, nausea, the shakes, and generally felt like I was going to die. But no one who hasn't been through it believes that caffeine, that wonder drug, can do all this to you.

On another note, it seems as if there's something *else* in coffee that my body craves - I can drink Coke all day long, but if I don't have at least a cup of coffee, I still get headaches. Anyone have any guesses?

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Productivity (4.28 / 7) (#18)
by valency on Thu Aug 30, 2001 at 12:05:58 AM EST

The legality of a drug has nothing to do with addictivness, withdrawl, pleasure, or health hazards -- rather, it has everything to do with productivity. This is why doctors will prescribe SSRI's even to the people who don't need it (makes them more docile, cooperative).

As Terrence McKenna said,

Caffeine -- I hate to tell you this -- caffeine is a fairly dangerous drug. It isn't dangerous in that a cup of coffee will kill you, but a lifestyle built around caffeine is going to -- you're not going to live to be a hundred years old, or even seventy, unless you are statistically in the improbably group. Why is caffeine not only tolerated but exalted? Because, boy, you can spin those widgets onto their winkles just endlessly without a thought on your mind. It is *the* perfect drug for modern industrial manufacturing. Why do you think caffeine, a dangerous, health destroying, destructive drug, that has to be brought from the ends of the earth, is enshrined in every labor contract in the Western world as a right? The coffee break -- if somebody tried to take away the coffee break, you know, the masses would rise in righteous fury and pull them down. We don't have a beer break. We don't have a pot break. I mean, if you suggested, 'Well, we don't want a coffee break. We want to be a ble to smoke a joint at eleven,' they would say, 'Well, you're just some kind of -- you're a social degenerate, a troublemaker, a mad dog, a criminal.' And yet, the cost health benefit of those two drugs, there's no comparison. Obviously, pot would be the better choice. The problem is, then you're going to be standing there dreaming, rather than spinning the widgets onto the nuts. (laughter)



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I relate too well, but with a different drug... (4.33 / 9) (#19)
by kitznegari on Thu Aug 30, 2001 at 12:37:55 AM EST

I stopped taking my antidepressant and my Ritalin at the same time about this time last week in an act of cold defiance (my mental rage said "I've been taking this medication for 6 months now, I'm not better yet, so I've decided that it's time to end this form of treatment")and I've been outrageously paranoid about everything and have been an emotional basketcase (we've had 4 fights in the last week because I keep popping off due to the lack of "impulse controlling" medicine)... and then that bottle of Ritalin is still out in the kitchen calling me should I want to go back on it if this doesn't work (fortunately I'm out of the antidepressant now, so I'd have to go and get a new prescription to start that again). I've been tempted to split what's left of the prescription pills in half with a knife and take half every time I get that "ludicrous high" that comes with hyperactivity... the one that makes you feel like you can't calm down or control yourself, period, that your head might explode if you can't chill RIGHT NOW. It's like there's so much adrenaline pumping through your system that your head is pulsing and every sound is a scream. I'm not exaggerating to say that when I haven't had my medication I can hear someone crinkling a plastic bag for half a second and it will sound like a bolt of lightning going off over my head and I can't relax. What set me off today was that a local store was closing and my bf and I went to the sale, he came up behind me unexpectedly and clapped me on the back so hard that I nearly screamed... after that I couldn't chill at all and started to wish I had my Ritalin because every part of my body hurt from the tension and panic and everything else that was happening. It was as if the tint and volume of the entire universe had suddenly been turned up three notches too high.

The thing about Ritalin is that it starts working the second it hits your system, so it's kind of like caffine in the way that you *feel it* coming on. It's like taking a swig of pepsi after you haven't touched it all day and have been working like a dog. It's like friggin sex or something.

And there's also that paranoia and anxiety that come hand in hand with your detox experience. I couldn't count the times I've had a near-panic attack when a cop has pulled in behind me in traffic, panic to the point that I couldn't function properly... then to remember that I never felt that way when I properly took my Ritalin. Its terrifying to me that I've become dependant on stuff that keeps me from running a red light when I'm driving. I'm scared to drive now because I almost got us all killed the other day after not taking the stuff and becoming distracted musing over some smoke stacks on the hill and not seeing the the traffic light was red or that there were cars in the intersection.

The problem is that my ADHD wasn't this hard to manage before I started the Ritalin, I think. Now that I've had a taste of what it's like to have a "quiet brain"... a nice soft existance where you don't have to analyze things and where you don't have to care about every little detail... where it's okay if things go wrong and where you aren't anxious and worried and afraid all of the time... I wish I'd never taken the stuff because now I feel like I'm all messed up when I'm just plain old regular me.

If I hadn't said what the drug was someone might have guess I was talking about heroin. I really do feel that desperate at times though. I just sometimes really wish I had a half pill in my system so I wouldn't have to listen to my internal conversations; they're driving me fscking mad.

I guess my point was that I sympathize.

Ultimately I think you're doing the right thing by trying to stay away from it... but being there myself, I can only speculate.

Good luck. -kitz-
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I feel a bit better about myself now (3.00 / 4) (#21)
by pfaffben on Thu Aug 30, 2001 at 01:39:45 AM EST

I'd been feeling guilty about drinking as many as 1 or 2 cans of Coke a day, although some days I don't drink any at all. Now that I've read the comments here, I know that that's almost nothing.

At least someone's doing something ... (1.00 / 5) (#25)
by Herring on Thu Aug 30, 2001 at 04:04:20 AM EST

...
I spilled spot remover on my dog. He's gone now.
Sounds very serious... (3.00 / 4) (#26)
by gordonjcp on Thu Aug 30, 2001 at 05:04:11 AM EST

Wow. I never realised how so many people have problems with addiction.
I've often wondered about just how "normal" I am. All around me, people are having serious problems, and taking either prescribed drugs or illegal ones (or drinking). And here I am, no history of abuse, no addictions, about the right weight for my height (just under 6' tall - about average), no mental problems...
Does this mean I'm the most fscked-up person I know? It's all relative...

Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he'll bore you rigid with fishing stories for the rest of your life.


Water? (3.75 / 4) (#29)
by Jebediah on Thu Aug 30, 2001 at 06:21:48 AM EST

Has anybody tried drinking a sufficient amount of water after their caffeine fix? I am thinking part of the pain caused by quitting might be from dehydration (kinda like alcohol). Water should keep the caffeine from absorbing quite as fast and would provide some hydration.

now i'm glad I don't drink [caffeine] (3.33 / 3) (#30)
by dof on Thu Aug 30, 2001 at 07:03:45 AM EST


My mothers a coffee addict - she must drink at least 10 mugs of the stuff per day if not more.... I always found it kind of funny that she had to have a cup of coffee before doing xyz (and the fuss she'd make if i tried to stop her)

Thanks to her, i've stayed away from drinking caffeinated stuff - which is actually quite good as when i have to stay up late coding, one can of coke wakes me up quite well....


linux .. hmm that's another addiction altogether :)

dof.
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And I thought it was just me... (3.25 / 4) (#32)
by Nick Ives on Thu Aug 30, 2001 at 08:00:45 AM EST

Last time I tried to quit caffeine I stopped after 4 days. The nausea, migraine & vomiting were just too much for me, the only reason I managed to last even that long was because I was living with some friends and you dont notice headaches so much when your drunk. Waking up the next day with what feels like the mother of all hangovers, curling up into a ball and moving only to get to the bathroom to vomit, and when your stomaches empty retch up bile, well, I've never had a hangover that bad. The way it all magically went away within 15 mins of getting more caffeine into my system was scary too, even though the back of my throat was burnt from all the vomit & bile and it hurt to drink, I just drank as much caffeine as I could to get rid of that awful feeling.

I searched the net trying to find info about caffeine detox, I read that in some people in extreme cases of caffeine dependancy then theres a possability that you might develop a severe migraine which lasts a week and apparently the number of people who actually vomit whilst on a caffeine detox is tiny. I managed to be one of those unlucky/addicted pple tho, which isnt surprising since I've been consuming caffeine pretty much non stop since the age of 6 and I'm now 19.

Which brings me onto my next point. There should be an age limit to caffeinated drinks. There is no way I'd have such a dependancy on caffeine if it wernt for the fact that I started drinking it at such a young age. My parents didnt stop me drinking it because after all, it was "only caffeine". More needs to be done to make people aware of the danger of caffeine. Prolonged caffeine use can cause problems like irritable bowel syndrome (which is of particular interest considering that bowel cancer is pretty much one of the fastest growing forms of cancer in recent years) and anxiety attacks. That was actually the main reason why I tried to detox on caffeine in the first place, my caffeine useage had reached a level whereby to keep off the migraine associated with caffeine withdrawl I had to keep myself at a level of caffeine that was basically toxic, I was constantly feeling anxious and having to take a piss every 15mins which isnt really fun at all.

In the short term I've achieved my goal of lowered caffeine intake, I used to easily go through 4-6L of Dr Pepper a day + 15-20 coffees. I've cut that down to a max of 2L of Dr Pepper with maybe a few cups of coffee every other day or so. I'm trying to work it down slowly, but the way im going about it I could just as easily be scaling back up again. I'm pretty sure that at some point in the future I'm going to have to go cold turky on caffeine once again, and I know its not going to be fun.

--
Nick
I wonder if my old giving up smoking trick of getting stoned for a week (using a bong, of course =P) would work with caffeine? Like, weed is good to help you stop vomiting, and it definatly cures headaches, hurm.....

A thought (4.40 / 5) (#37)
by jd on Thu Aug 30, 2001 at 08:19:26 AM EST

There are plenty of people who will willingly argue that "caffeine is non-addictive" and "perfectly safe".

The only "accepted" complaints, with respect to caffinated drinks, are usually in respect to other hazards. Indian tea - the stuff the English drink by the bucketfull - will eventually cause gall stones, for example.

Caffeine's effects on medicines is also often side-lined. Even a trace of caffeine will negate medicines such as lithium. This can make life really interesting for the bipolar.

IMHO, the biggest problem is with the cultural need to seem to be the biggest and the baddest. As Olympic athletes discover on a regular basis, it's hard to be either, when the ones you're competing with are loaded with performance enhancers.

Sure, those "enhancers" will turn the body into something from Night Of The Living Dead. Eventually. In the meantime, though, those who cheat -do- "succeed", by society's standards.

You can't ban coffee. King Charles tried that, in England, when the English Unions met in Coffee Houses. (That's one reason tea became so popular.) You can't ban caffeine, it exists in -some- quantity just about everywhere.

What you -can- do is to start small. Start by not having caffinated sodas in the house. If you're a teacher, how about a school project on it? Inventer or Chemistry expert? Maybe you might want to think about those 1800's recipies for treating alchoholism by making alchohol unprocessable by the body, and whether something similar exists for caffeine. I'm sure there'd be some interest.

It's not possible to change the world, overnight. Even for K5 readers. But if -enough- people made even a tiny difference to their immediate world, then the world will end up changing itself.

Lightweights :) (3.00 / 2) (#43)
by stinkwrinkle on Thu Aug 30, 2001 at 08:53:46 AM EST

Coffee? Caffeinated beverages??

What's with kids today!? Aren't there any hardcore VivarinTM junkies around here?

I don't mean to make light of the author's problem. It sounds terrible. Yes, I get headaches for a couple of hours, 28 hours after my last fix. The lethargy is pretty bad for about a day. All in all, though, I like the time-shifting ability I get from caffeine. I would probably quit, or stay on a low maintenance dose, if withdrawal hit me like that. *shudder*

This is a really stupid article (1.89 / 28) (#46)
by theboz on Thu Aug 30, 2001 at 09:26:58 AM EST

Only some pansy ass dork would write something like this. How dare you compare yourself to people that have real drug addictions who can not easily quit.

You just want pity and attention so you post an article and make it sound like you had some horrible experience. I've never heard of anyone being desperate enough for caffeine to go out and rob people. I've never heard of side effects of it like you would get from smoking crack. The government doesn't throw people in jail for having enough caffeine for themselves only.

This is typical of the "geek" crowd, who blows their experience out of proportion and acts overdramatic in order to make it seem like they have a life. This was your attempt at showing that you are a "reformed bad-boy" type but it isn't working. All you have done is proceeded to make yourself look like a moron.

The only pity you get from me is that Mr. T "I pity the fool!" kind. This article was really stupid and I regret that I read through it searching for a shred of something to make it worthwhile. The fact that it made it to the front page only shows how stupid the average k5 user is.

Stuff.

The effects of caffeine (4.00 / 3) (#49)
by Langley on Thu Aug 30, 2001 at 10:04:13 AM EST

Here's an interesting page detailing the effect of certain drugs on a spider's ability to properly create their web. Caffeine seems particularly damaging.



A Prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded. -Abraham Lincoln (Sixteenth President of the United States of America)
Addictiveness of various drugs (4.71 / 7) (#58)
by DJBongHit on Thu Aug 30, 2001 at 11:02:51 AM EST

I had an interesting conversation with Signal 11 on IRC the other day about addictions, and I mentioned to him that caffeine was nearly as addictive as cocaine. He didn't believe me, so I googled for "cocaine addictiveness," and on the first page of results I found this, which supported my claim. Notice how the war on drugs has conditioned us to believe that illegal drugs are horrible and addictive, while in reality nicotine is the most addictive drug of all, caffeine is nearly as addictive as cocaine, and alcohol is more addictive than heroin (although less addictive than crack or crystal meth). Incidentally, and completely irrelevant to the current conversation (heh), alcohol is the only drug where withdrawal symptoms can actually be fatal in many cases.

Sorry, stories like this just make me feel the need to point out the hypocracy and complete logical failure of the war on (some) drugs.

~DJBongHit

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How to quit caffeine (4.33 / 6) (#74)
by NoNeckJoe on Thu Aug 30, 2001 at 01:13:00 PM EST

Cold turkey is usually a bad idea. Symptoms of caffeine withdrawl include:
  • headache,
  • nausea,
  • sensitivity to light,
  • irritability,
  • and fatigue.

    Those are all nasty things to feel, and it is possible to avoid them. I will recount the way that I manged to quit successfully. I started by accurately assessing how much coffee and soda I drank in a day. Two cups of coffee was the figure I came in at. On a monday I decided to drink one cup or regular coffee, and one cup of decaf. I did this for one week. The following week I drank just one cup. This progressed to 1 cup that was half regular, half decaf for a week. Then to half a cup regular for a week. Then to half a cup decaf for a week. Then none at all. Count the weeks up. This was a five week project, and I had to have a lot of self control. I didn't experience any of those symptoms during this process. I gradually brought my body off of caffeine, and went for several months before I fell off the wagon.

  • The difference between Will and Habit. (4.00 / 6) (#75)
    by Dialup on Thu Aug 30, 2001 at 01:25:33 PM EST

    I'm what you might consider to be a recreational drug user, though "experimentor" is a far more accurate description than "user". I don't use drugs because I'm bored, or to "get fscked up". I do all kinds of research- namely taking to friends and associates who've done whatever it is I'm thinking of doing- and I make it a point to know everything about a drug, inside and out, before I bother with it. From this standpoint, I'm an amateur heading for professional status, and have not allowed my experimentation or useage to interfere with my professional life.

    I also have very severe allergies to almost everything, which makes my mileage a bit different than most.

    I smoke (camel lights)- while I'll admit this has become more force of habit than anything else, I have found the experience to be incredibly useful. I eat less, for one. For another, I have made an *amazing* number of friends through various smoke benches at work and in school. And I haven't had a serious allergy attack since I started, as the smoking keeps my septum dried out. I smoke about a pack a day during the summer, sometimes two when I go to bars- oddly enough, if I smoke enough my sense of smell comes back. During the winter, my useage drops to about half a pack a day. Smoking combined with Ephedrine keeps my allergies in check, and works better than every allergy medication I have ever tried, with the added effect of not putting me to sleep. Out of every single drug on this list, cigarettes are easily the most addictive. They are also legal, and serve as a harmless way of making friends.

    Out of everything on this list, I would rank cigarettes (not Tobacco and Nicotine, but commercial cigarettes, additives and all) as being more addictive than heroine. The thing that makes any drug addictive is its availability, namely an abundance thereof. You can get smokes *anywhere*, whereas, for example, heroine is a lot harder to come by. It's real easy to break a heroine experience when you know you're not going to be offered the drug again for months, if not years.

    My Caffeine use is occasional. I'm virtually immune to the positive effects of the drug, though there's some additional ingredient in coffee that I have a chronic bowel allergy to. The tastes of colas and mountian dew is quite disgusting, and I've found that I greatly prefer Jones soda, which is caffeine free.

    I use Ephedrine, an over-the-counter amphetimine. Not to "wake up", not to "get a buzz", but to *breathe*. In addition to being a stimulant, Ephedrine is a bronchial dialator- while it doesn't make me jump around like a crack monkey, it makes severe allergy days bearable. One pill at a time- on the onset of allergies, and maybe another one later in the day for maintenance. I consider this drug to be optional, as I do not use it every day, or when I'm "feeling tired". I use it ONLY on the onset of allergy symptoms. I am an Ephedrine user, within a limit realm of specific applications.

    I cannot smoke marijuana- I'm allergic to some of the ingredients that are found in the most common (95%) of the variants. If I *do* smoke, my nose quite literally runs like a faucet. I am not a pot smoker.

    I tried Excstacy once. It was cut with heroine. Felt really good for thirty hours, then like ass for two weeks. And I was amazingly constipated. Not fun, not recommended. Friends of mine have had much better experiences with this drug, though I've met a few "etards" in my time and have no further interest in messing with it. I like my seratonin in the amounts I already recieve it in, thank you. I'm not an Exstacy user.

    I'm not a huge fan of Alcohol. I'm allergic to hops and malt liquor - the easiest way to describe these hangovers would be to picture being locked in an iron maiden that's been coated in itching powder and hydrochloric acid. They last ALL day, too. :P I can handle rum and coke and vodka, and occasionally schnapps. I can't do beer, and I have no stock of liquor in my house. I go out once or twice a week as a social thing, at which point I will have one or two (or sometimes, if someone else is buying, four) drinks and that's it. I can still get up and make it to work on time. I use Alcohol socially, as I find certain concepts easier to commute when my inhibitions- what few remain- are on coffee break.

    I've done enough cocaine to kill a horse. I strongly recommend that you never do it recreationally, just for shits and giggles, or out of boredom- or you WILL develope a dependency. My useage has been purely social and regulated, with experts present. After doing it twice I was aware of the effects of the comedown and knew how to deal with it without resorting to other stimulants. My useage is very occasional - no more than once every six or eight weeks or so, and even then, strictly regulated. Verily, I do like the effects- and I have no interest to speak of in these effects becoming a regular part of my life. Exert some willpower over it and you'll be fine- I never find myself craving the substance, and when it goes round, I'm usually amongst the last to partake. Cocaine is a wonderful social drug, particularly when mixed with a reasonable measure of alcohol.

    I tried LSD once, and at five dollars a tab with an 8-12 hour trip, it's easily the best bang for your drug dollar. I did a LOT of research on that one before I used it, and was sure to set up a contained, comfortable, and trusted environment with good music for the experiment. I went with two others, and we did artwork the entire night. I had a blast, though I've had a few flashbacks- when your imagination is as active as mine, these are nothing to write home about. In this case, environment is everything, as is a "control"- there were two people in the house who weren't having a trip and they kept half of an eye on us. It's a really, really fun drug under the correct circumstances. I may at some point do it again, but setting up the control lab at this point in my life would be rather difficult. I do not advocate using LSD as a recreational drug, but rather as a professional device- it is an excellent test utility for artists and writers. The caveat being that you should be relatively stable to begin with.

    In closing, if you do your research and find out what a drug can be used for, and actually USE it for something as opposed to just to get high, you will find that you have a much better grasp on the drug, and its hold on you is, at worst, tenuous, and at best, nonexistant.

    8x64 oz is 4 gallons, not 8. But it is excessive. (none / 0) (#78)
    by raygundan on Thu Aug 30, 2001 at 02:05:55 PM EST

    Since 128 fluid ounces = 1 US gallon. But it is still a LOT of water. I run quite a bit, and even on 10-mile days in the summer I only drink a couple of gallons worth. The general rule of thumb for runners is to drink until you're peeing clear-- otherwise you're dehydrated.

    Not harmless (none / 0) (#94)
    by ariux on Sun Sep 02, 2001 at 01:47:33 PM EST

    Five years ago, after drinking caffeine for about six years, I noticed some bad effects and quit. Avoiding tea, coffee, and chocolate has since been a constant low-grade nuisance, but I'm substantially healthier.

    From watching others, it's clear that most people aren't affected in the way I was.

    I'd say government is not the right tool for this job, but I wish the potential ill effects of caffeine were more widely known. ("You don't eat what??")

    Caffeine and ephedra (none / 0) (#96)
    by IriseLenoir on Sun Sep 02, 2001 at 02:07:42 PM EST

    Caffeine is indeed a very powerful drug. My mom developed osteoporosis largely because of it (prevents the assimilation of calcium). Very addictive, and even more so because it?s not considered harmful by society, as you said. Coffee machines in offices are a serious danger to social health. And soft drinks are even worst, since they contain so much white sugar too. Why don?t parents let their children drink coffee but give them Coke all the time? And then they?ll wonder why they are hyperactive and put them on Ritalin.

    I want to get back on the caffeine and ephedra pills you took. Ephedra sinica, the plant, can be a wonderful drug (against my allergies, asthma, cold and fever, amongst other things), but there are safety measures to be taken, the first one being never mix it with caffeine. Use the whole plant in tea, not just ephedrine in pills (the plant contains pseudo-ephedrine which enhance it?s effect while reducing side effects). While it does accelerate the metabolism and reduce appetite a little, it shouldn?t be used as a weight-loss cure. Just eat better and less and exercise! It may help a little, but most of the work is elsewhere. You need to get your eyes off the screen for 10 minutes every hour, so instead of drinking coffee, go take a small walk outside. You?ll see the sun (vitamin D) can give an equal boast while being good for you! It?s also cool to do some meditation on ephedra (Chinese monks have been using this for over 5000 years). Do some research on Ephedra sinica and Ma Huang (it?s Chinese name) before you take any (or keep taking it). Know that you shouldn?t take it for more than 1-3 months without taking a weeklong break as to not put too much in your blood.
    "liberty is the mother of order, not its daughter" - Pierre-Joseph Proudhon

    quitting caffeine (none / 0) (#106)
    by adridne on Tue Sep 04, 2001 at 08:26:10 AM EST

    My decision to quit caffeine was less of a choice than a necessity. Caffeine has never affected my in very normal ways. Until my freshman year of college, it barely affected me at all. I had to consume a huge quantity of it to see and result. However, my first year of college, that changed. I developed an allergy to caffeine. A cup of coffee would make me shake so badly that people thought I was having convulsions. If I had caffeine I couldn't concentrate on anything other than trying to control my breathing, which became ragged and hoarse as my whole body shook. I was horribly frightening, and I only had a few attacks before realizing what the problem was. I cut caffeine completely out of my life, which made me realize how prevalent it is. It was often hard to find anything to drink which didn't have caffeine or alchol (I don't drink) in it in a social setting. After a year and a half with no caffiene, I can now have some. My allergy comes and goes, and a can of Coke no longer means half an hour sitting down trying to be calm. Still, I worry about its image in America. I would no more put a commercial on TV about "the joy of Pepsi" than I would about "the joy of Heroin." Caffeine is a drug, and I think it needs to be regulated like one, not outlawed, but controlled.

    addiction... (2.00 / 1) (#110)
    by methoxy on Wed Sep 05, 2001 at 03:08:53 AM EST

    Maybe I would believe this if it was just one metabolic freak, but all these responses? Read www.erowid.org for interesting stories of drug use/abuse, but this sounds like middle class tittering. I broke a Methylphenidate/Carisoprodol habit that worked just fine. I masturbated and made art. I quit smoking. At least get your hands dirty if your going to write about it. See: 4-ACETOXY-DiPT, 2C-T-7, BZP

    Caffine is safe because of its overly generlized affect. Get funky.

    -lover

    www.nerve.com


    yeah... but (none / 0) (#111)
    by jpm165 on Wed Sep 05, 2001 at 01:53:11 PM EST

    did you ever suck somebody's dick for caffeine? i sucked somebody's dick for coke...well, not really..

    "But then, why should you listen to me? For I know nothing..."

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