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The Solid Steel Cockpit Door

By EdFox in Op-Ed
Fri Oct 05, 2001 at 10:51:26 PM EST
Tags: Technology (all tags)
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After the tragedies of September 11th, all eyes focused on a problem that had worried airline pilots in the backs of their minds for decades: cockpit security. Calls for a solid wall between the cockpit and the passenger cabin have been heard from the media and from the public by the thousands.

However, there are some major problems with such a scheme.
Second in an (unintentional) series. Please see part one, here.


The cockpit door of a modern airliner is there to keep the pax from seeing into the cockpit and becoming alarmed by the many warning lights that come on during a perfectly normal flight. While somewhat cynical, this statement is mostly true. By Federal Aviation Regulation [FAR] a cockpit door must be weak enough to be kicked open by a normal person in the event of an emergency. It must also have allowances to open by itself in the event of a depressurization.

Despite media reports to the contrary, there are airline aircraft currently flying that have no door at all. Small, 19-seat commuter aircraft typically have nothing more than a curtain to keep the pax from seeing the aforementioned lights. In these tiny planes, which also lack a Flight Attendant, a galley, and a bathroom, there is room for little else. I should know, I used to fly one...

FAR requires that aircraft with 20 passenger seats or more have a Flight Attendant. The regs also mandate a solid cockpit door that can be locked. The door used to remain unlocked and in some cases open, dependant on the whim of the Captain. These were the days when kids could come up and visit with the pilots while enroute and curious adult passengers could be treated to a brief lecture on the miracle of modern aviation and make some small talk with the guys up front.

The rash of non-terrorist hijackings in the late 70's by disgruntled office workers, tax protesters, and the like put an end to all that. By FAR, the cockpit door must be closed and locked prior to takeoff and remain so thorough the flight, unless it was opened so a FA could provide food service to the pilots, or if one of the pilots had to leave the cockpit for physiological reasons. However, the security was mostly a ruse. The door remained weak but it was assumed--in some cases correctly--that a nonprofessional hijacker could be convinced that there was no way into the cockpit and therefore kept out.

The door also remained weak as it was thought--also correctly--that pilots or rescue personnel might need to kick the door open to evacuate in an emergency. During an emergency landing deformation of the doorframe could make opening the door by normal means impossible so the pilot would be required to simply force his way out. There are other ways out. The cockpit windows of all modern transport category aircraft can be either pulled out and removed or cranked far enough back to allow a pilot to crawl out. Escape ropes are provided for the pilots to use to shimmy down to the ground and in some cases (Airbus) the ropes are even equipped with inertia reels so the pilots can execute spectacular bungee-jump style rappels where they just grab the end of the rope and leap. (Yes, there have been cases where pilots tried this on aircraft not so equipped by mistake, with spectacularly painful results...) Of course, the main problem with all of this is that it requires your average out of shape and slightly rotund airline Captain like me to stuff himself through a window roughly 2' by 3'. If the flames were rising, I have no doubt that I could accomplish this feat, but throughout the airline world the window exits are regarded as tools of ultimate last resort.

In addition, the cockpit door is not secure because it must allow for a rapid depressurization. Most depressurizations, despite the movies, are not violent events where hapless passengers are sucked out through gaping holes. Yes, there have been spectacular cases, such as the United over Hawaii, but most are more annoying than dangerous. In a depressurization, the pressure in the entire cabin must equalize with the lower atmospheric pressure. Cockpit doors are designed to open completely or have pressure fuses (small doors built into the main door) that will open to allow the pressure to equalize. If the door did not, 12 psi of pressure would quickly cause the bulkhead the door was mounted in to fail.

However, in light of recent events, it is imperative that something be done to increase the security of the flight deck. There are several possible strategies to accomplish this, each with some attendant problems.

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It has been widely suggested to just seal the cockpit completely, removing the door and replacing it with a solid bulkhead. This would make hijacker access totally impossible but has a host of problems.

Any pressure relief fuse in the cockpit/cabin bulkhead would render it non-secure so it would have to be designed to withstand the pressure of a decompression. If it did not, than the cabin/cockpit bulkhead would fail, possibly crushing the pilots, severing control cables, or deforming the fuselage to such a degree that it would fail. This would require the instillation of a pressure bulkhead and the division of the aircraft into two separate pressurized compartments. This would require total rebuilding of the aircraft and in many cases would be simply impossible.

Modern transport aircraft have maximum pressure differentials ranging up to 12 psi. The fuselage is designed to support this pressure and to withstand thousands of cycles, which is defined as one takeoff and one landing, without failure. The best possible shape for the fuselage would therefore be a sphere, which is the strongest possible shape. However, there are *problems* with a spherical airliner such as an awful coefficient of drag, a tendency to be highly unstable in crosswind landings and ground maneuvering, and the fact that it would be damn ugly. The cigar shape of an airliner is a good compromise that allows for an aerodynamic shape with a low center of gravity that still has spherical end caps.

With this in mind, it is easy to see the difficulties of installing a pressure bulkhead between the cockpit and the passenger cabin. This bulkhead would require spherical, or at least partially spherical, pressure walls. The sacrifice of precious internal volume would be exacerbated by the massive void space between the opposing spherical end caps. In addition, the fuselage structure is not designed to support these two additional pressure walls and would have to massively strengthened. Even more structural mass would be required as the aircraft must be designed to not fail even with one of the pressure vessels depressurized and the other at maximum differential. This is even more complex than it seems because a pressure vessel expands when pressurized. Having one "blown up" and the other at unpressurized size would generate massive forces on the structure.

This is all quite possible with modern construction techniques, however, the addition of such massive structure would completely destroy the weight distribution of the aircraft, rendering it unable to fly. To rebalance, weight would have to be added to the tail. This would add even more weight to the airframe. This weight would require a stronger wing box (the fuselage/wing root complex that supports the weight of the aircraft inflight) and stronger landing gear which would also add weight. Every extra pound of fuselage and internal structure means one less pound of fuel and revenue cargo that can be carried. It is quite possible that the installation of the pressure bulkhead and the tail ballast to rebalance would completely displace the useful load of the aircraft, making it unable to fly with any passengers at all.

Therefore, walling off the cockpit could require the replacing the entire commercial aviation fleet with new designs. This is simply unacceptable. Transport aircraft have a design and certification cycle of at least five years and the cost would be almost unimaginable. In the United States alone it would require a government subsidy of some 2-3 trillion--yes, with a T--dollars, which is a substantial percentage of the gross domestic product.

Of course, there are other problems with a solid cockpit/cabin bulkhead, such as egress in an emergency, pilot incapacitation, and most importantly, the fact that pilots are people too and need to occasionally use the restroom. These difficulties, while important, however pale in comparison to the necessity to replace the aircraft.

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A much more workable solution would be to armor the cockpit door yet still allow pressure relief. Such schemes are already underway. The aim in this case is not to totally deny cockpit access to a terrorist or unbalanced passenger but to delay it.

While it would be possible to break into a cockpit secured with locking bars and/or massive deadbolts, such an effort would generate a great deal of noise and take a while. During this time, the pilots could alert ATC and/or violently maneuver the aircraft to make the terrorist's task more difficult if not impossible. After the events of September 11th, many passengers could also be convinced to rise up and attack those trying to gain access to the cockpit. The pilots would also have time to draw and prepare any weapons they may have.

This is by far the better method to secure a cockpit.

I will not go into great detail on strategies to armor the cockpit door, as it could pose a security risk and I implore commenters and other posters to do likewise.

Thank you.

-- EdFox

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Correction (3.75 / 4) (#1)
by GreenCrackBaby on Fri Oct 05, 2001 at 02:32:08 PM EST

It has been widely suggested to just seal the cockpit completely, removing the door and replacing it with a solid bulkhead. This would make hijacker access totally impossible but has a host of problems.

This would not, in fact, block hijacker access. It would stop passengers from entering the cockpit, but would do nothing to prevent a looney or terrorist who is the pilot from doing the same thing as in the WTC attacks. In fact, what this would do is ensure that the passengers would be helpless sheep, unable to stop (or help) the pilot if needed.

-1 - Too much knocking down a strawman (3.42 / 7) (#4)
by DrHow on Fri Oct 05, 2001 at 02:47:44 PM EST

I do not believe that the engineering problems of a secure barrier/bulkhead which admits pressure relief are so insurmountable.

Side note on decompression. (4.40 / 5) (#5)
by Hillgiant on Fri Oct 05, 2001 at 02:50:32 PM EST

If you are interested in violent decompression of commercial airlines, a better example would be Aloha Airlines 243. Fatigue cracks near the rivets holding two sheets of the skin together let go, unzipping 1/3 of the fuselage.

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"It is impossible to say what I mean." -johnny

Pressure considerations are irrelevant (4.46 / 13) (#6)
by DesiredUsername on Fri Oct 05, 2001 at 02:55:53 PM EST

"Any pressure relief fuse in the cockpit/cabin bulkhead would render it non-secure..."

You have about four paragraphs that hinge on this one statement. Which is false. If you have a number of smallish holes it is still secure but pressure is now irrelevant (exact hole size number and placement varies with pressure and area). If you fear terrorists using sleeping gas, remember that a) they still can't pilot the plane once the pilots are knocked unconscious so all they've done is crash it and b) you can over-pressurize the cockpit to keep any gas out.

Put a bathroom in there (on a 747 this could be done by building the wall aft of the existing forward bathroom) and you lose another objection. Make it out of aluminum and lose the front row or two of seating and you remove the weight problem.

Pilot incapacitation is a problem I suppose. But then again, how often does it happen (remember that all flights have at least two pilots)? And when it does, how often does a passenger solve the problem?

The only real issue here is redesign. And with a simplified design as detailed above, I think a retrofit would be easily possible. It certainly wouldn't cost even $1 trillion.

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I remember... (3.00 / 3) (#10)
by rebelcool on Fri Oct 05, 2001 at 04:09:44 PM EST

When I was a little kid (around 5 years old) they let me into the cockpit and look around. The captain told me some of the dozens of buttons were for pacman (I think he was just joking), but it was definately something cool for a youngin :)

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With the recent concerns about safety (3.25 / 4) (#13)
by Wing Envy on Fri Oct 05, 2001 at 05:12:49 PM EST

Both in airplanes and buses (yesterday there was an attack on a greyhound bus-driver in Memphis, Tennesee that at last count killed 6 people- the driver lost control and the bus overturned) I'm sure cabbies around NY and other cities are thinking "Thank god we have bullet proof glass between us and the passengers."


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The Aerosphere! (2.50 / 4) (#14)
by delmoi on Fri Oct 05, 2001 at 05:18:26 PM EST

The best possible shape for the fuselage would therefore be a sphere, which is the strongest possible shape. However, there are *problems* with a spherical airliner such as an awful coefficient of drag, a tendency to be highly unstable in crosswind landings and ground maneuvering, and the fact that it would be damn ugly.

Ugly? What are you talking about? That would kick ass. Modern jumbo jets are ugly anyways.
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Question (4.88 / 9) (#16)
by Simon Kinahan on Fri Oct 05, 2001 at 06:15:39 PM EST

Why does the bulkhead between the passenger cabin and the cockpit have to be airtight ? It would be quite possible to allow the pressure of the two cabins to equalise in the event of a depressurisation, but still make the barrier impenetrable to passengers in the main cabin.

Simon

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Pressure containment (4.00 / 2) (#17)
by sigwinch on Fri Oct 05, 2001 at 06:24:16 PM EST

This (editorial) comment says: It is obvious to me that you know very little about pressure vessels. Keep in mind that 12psi is not an especially high pressure differential in engineering terms.
Approximating the surface to be sealed as a 8 foot by 8 foot square (9 216 square inches) gives a total force of 110 000 pounds. By comparison, the Pratt and Whitney PW4098 engine -- the most powerful commercial engine in use -- produces 98 000 pounds of thrust.

While a tank or pipe for 12 psi is a modest engineering challenge, retrofitting a containment wall into a space less than an inch thick would be a considerable effort, and probably not worth it. You are also overlooking the fact that the cargo hold often extends under the cockpit and is held to the same pressure as the passenger cabin. Therefore the cockpit floor would also have to withstand tremendous forces.

Moreover, any containment retrofit would have to be extremely light. A big part of aeronautics design is shaving away unnecessary material. A pressure wall on the ground is permitted to be made of 1 cm steel, but to coin a phrase, that type of design won't fly.

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Double Steel Cage (3.00 / 2) (#19)
by kref1 on Sat Oct 06, 2001 at 01:40:06 AM EST

Why not install a double steel cage in front of the cockpit door. For some one to enter the cockpit the outer door would have to be closed and the pilot would be able to see if the person in the cage should be let in, if so the inner door would be opened, otherwise the attacker would be trapped in the cage. I would only take up 3 feet, which is just some closet space on any large passanger aircraft.

One-track mind (4.00 / 7) (#20)
by Kasreyn on Sat Oct 06, 2001 at 01:46:06 AM EST

As before, I bring up the same issue. People looking at this thing are thinking too single-mindedly, forgetting that the pilots are not robotic plane-flying machines, but real people. The terrorists have shown an ability to "think outside the box" (we certainly weren't expecting them to use commuter planes as flying bombs, now were we?), so we have to learn to think equally creatively to defend against them.

If the hijackers commandeer a stewardesses' walkie-talkie or whatever is used to communicate with the cockpit, then they can still fulfill many of their goals. They can make their demands known, they can make threats, and they can terrorize others into obeying them. Imagine you the pilot hear a male voice coming over the stewardesses' walkie-talkie, informing you that the rest of the plane has been hijacked and unless you do thus-and-such they will begin executing one passenger every minute. What could you do about it? How would you feel, knowing some random innocent middle-aged woman, mother of two and devoted wife let's say, would get her throat slit in the next 60 seconds if you don't obey? Sure, they can't get you, but they can terrorize, they can threaten, they can make demands, and they can be effective in many of the goals of terrorism.

I think all these discussions of armed guards and impenetrable bulkheads are ridiculous. The passengers on the plane are breathing in a controlled atmosphere, oxygen carefully pressurize to keep them from dying rather gruesomely of the "bends". The airplane is in control of the atmosphere. What in the world prevents us from installing sleeping gas or some such into the air circulators, to be released at the push of a button in the (reinforced) cockpit? Knock them all out and sort it out on the ground.

And what could be the counter to this? Boxcutters can be smuggled aboard, but can gas masks? Can anyone see a flaw in this? Because I can't.


-Kasreyn


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security rant (4.85 / 7) (#24)
by davepease on Sat Oct 06, 2001 at 02:18:35 AM EST

It is important to understand what the crew of the aircraft has to deal with as far as the terrorists go. Let's take any of the September 11th hijack crews as an example: 3-6 very lightly armed individuals (boxcutter knives aren't very good weapons if the target is at all coherent and defending themselves; I'd take a Samsonite briefcase anytime) and a box that they say is a bomb. This is versus 3 pilots with a crash axe and a locked (if flimsy) cabin door.

I'm not sure there need to be any changes to any policies or procedures at all except for the severity of the hijackees' reactions. Can a crew with an axe hold off four guys with ultra-short-bladed knives? I don't see why not. Maybe throw in some Tasers to really level the playing field.

The important thing is that the pilots cannot surrender control of the plane for any reason.

Terrorist: "we have the cabin under control. We will begin killing people at random until you put down your weapons and let us in."

Pilot: "Killing anyone will increase the chances that you are capitally punished once we get to the nearest airport."

Terrorist: "we have a bomb. Let us in or we'll blow up the plane."

Pilot: "You might as well set that bomb off because there's no $#%(*&ing way you're getting in here."

The fact is, some really-deep-cover wackos could, given enough time and patience, probably get a flight crew into service with an airline. What happens when the armored door is locked for the last time as the crazy bastards in the cockpit fly the plane into a 60000 seat stadium filled to capacity?

Building stronger walls and such isn't the point. The point is, you've got around 100 or more passengers on each flight, many of them able-bodied men. Getting these people the information they need to make informed decisions will nullify any hostage situation much more effectively than sealing off the cockpit or controlling planes from a central location. Wire the passenger cabin as well as the cockpit to transmit and recieve audio from the control tower, and keep people informed. Cheap, and if we can condition ourselves to do the right thing for others in an extreme situation, effective as well.

Here's one solution (3.25 / 4) (#28)
by Tau on Sat Oct 06, 2001 at 07:38:29 AM EST

How's about this. Every cockpit has a panic button of sorts. Hit this, and an armoured box embedded into the fuselage will boot up, commandeer all flight controls (it's all fly-by-wire these days right?) then start broadcasting an SOS message like crazy and attempt to land at the nearest airport. Even given some nasty weather I doubt there's anything computationally unfeasible about landing an aircraft, particularly given a totally cleared airspace as a result of the distress beacon.

Basically the idea is that after that button is hit there should be no way at all for any human being to regain control of the plane (or even external computer system for that matter). A hijacker could kill everyone in the plane for all the system would care, it would still land the aircraft and thus make it for all intents and purposes impossible to turn the aircraft into a flying battering ram. Given a good implementation, it'll make it ludicrously difficult to get control of the plane again (like, patch your own flight computer into the control circuits difficult). Widely publicize this fact and you'll have a lot of terrorists scratching their beards on how to get round this one ;)

Of course there could be some serious problems if, as others have suggested, the cabin crew all happen to be terrorists but in such a scenario there really is very little one can do, especially if there's also terrorist engineers about however you have to wonder if there's easier ways of getting the job done if they're going to go to such extremes. (That and the panic system could be remote-triggered or something but that's probably going to be very hard to implement securely)

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Cryptogram newsletter (4.00 / 2) (#29)
by pointwood on Sat Oct 06, 2001 at 08:30:36 AM EST

Bruce Schneier (Founder and CTO of Counterpane Internet Security, Inc.) is the creator of a monthly newsletter about security and he has created a special issue about the terrorist attacks.

He has some (IMHO) insightful comments about airline security.

You can find the newsletter here: Cryptogram newsletter.


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Some planes let kids into the cockpit.... (4.00 / 4) (#30)
by WhizzKidd on Sat Oct 06, 2001 at 09:04:04 AM EST

I remember when I was about 9 or 10 (which would make the year something like 91/92) and a flight attendant offered my sister and I a view of the cockpit. We only got to view it for a few minutes, I think the pilot was dealing with some turbulance or something (and probably a hangover from the Guinness, it was Aer Lingus =) ). Then again, this was an Irish plane and I think we were in international airspace at the time ('twas my first transatlantic flight I think) so I dont think FAR apply.

BTW, great couple of articles. They make for very interesting reading. As for asking people to not go into detail about strategies to armour cockpit doors, well, I think anyone who sits down and plans a hijacking can probably come up with all the same ideas and then some as we can talking out of our arses here. Just a thought...

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The best solution ever. (2.25 / 8) (#32)
by Desterado on Sat Oct 06, 2001 at 12:55:15 PM EST

Dont fly in a fucking plane. If you dont fly in an airplane, you cant crash as a passenger. Take the boat. Then again, Busses are slow as hell, so I dont know.

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decompression (4.00 / 3) (#35)
by Signal 11 on Sat Oct 06, 2001 at 01:41:43 PM EST

If all that is necessary is that the pressures on each side of the bulkhead be equal, why not have a way to vent to the atmosphere on both sides, and some electronics to control the valves on each side to keep them within tolerances?

I mean, is it really absolutely necessary to use such sophisticated measures when something simple will do?


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Everyone is fixated on "safety on airplanes&q (4.85 / 7) (#43)
by vanbo on Sat Oct 06, 2001 at 03:09:48 PM EST

Here is a quick thought that no one seems to have stated

"What happened on Sept. 11 of using a plane as a flying bomb, will never again happen regardless of any changes we do or do NOT make..."

Think about what happened plane with over 60+ people were over taken by a few with only very small knives. It's pretty easy to see how this happened, you make all 60+ people completely defenseless by disarming any weapons they could have had to defend themselves and then blame the hijacking on the terrorists or "lack of security"

If you were on the ground and 3 guys were attacking some person and there was 60 people around them, I think the 3 guys would be taken care of pretty quick.

What if the passengers had knives? Sure maybe someone could get on the plane with one and the intent to take it over, but if the plane also had that guy over numbered by 30:1 I don't think he will be successful. Even if the passengers are still not allowed to carry weapons at this point they are going to try to retake the plane! No hijacker is going to try this again unless they can be sure that they can instantly disable the whole aircraft.

They are done with planes as bombs. Any good general knows you don't use the same attack plane twice, and since we taught these "terrorists" with our military I feel pretty confident in knowing they have already started working on the next attack.

The point is you are giving up your rights to the terrorists. You are letting your politicians give away your rights for the guise of security. If you really think that any of these laws they are writing are going to make you safe you are just nieve.

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You can throw all the money you want at the problem and it won't be fixed. If you did fix "airtravel" then they will find some other way to attack us. Giving up your rights won't stop someone who doesn't care about US laws.
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The french built a huge and impressive defense that should have stop any German advances, but in the end German took over a weaker nation and went around it. Same deal here, spend as much as you want on securing X and the attackers will just find another way to attack you. In the mean time you have spent tons of money and given up your freedoms for no real benifits.

Ben Franklin said it best:
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Terrorism is about forcing one to change the way they live by instilling fear. Sounds like they did a good job. I am sickened by how much this country fears death.

I also don't think of what the terrorists did as "cowardly" They have just attacked the greatest military power on earth. Muggers are cowards. They want to scare you into you giving them the money. I have been mugged twice. The first time was a single guy and after I kicked the crap out of him, he ran away. The second time I was out numbered 3:1. After I kicked the crap out of the first guy the other to ran. Why? They had me out numbered? The reason is they were cowards, and not prepared to fight. These "terrorists" are prepared to fight to their own death for what they value. Kind of sounds like some of the people that started this nation. Remember one country's terrorist is another's "freedom fighter".

We are no longer the land of the free, but the land of the "please don't kill me, I'll give you all my rights"

By the way I have written all my representatives TWICE telling them what I think about them "making me safe" I encourage you to write yours and tell them that the way to make America safe is to stop picking fights with others. If we are the land of the free, why are we pushing our beliefs on others? Why are we supporting Isreal when they are commiting such acts of violence? Some say we have the right to be the "world police" but I ask do we have the right to write the "world's laws" as well?

</end rant> (And hopefully some of it made sense...)

Remove the pilots completely? (4.50 / 2) (#45)
by Brett Viren on Sat Oct 06, 2001 at 04:39:54 PM EST

Serious question. Would be technically possible today to have a fully automated airliner? What about one controlled from the ground?

A few ideas. (3.00 / 1) (#46)
by kitten on Sat Oct 06, 2001 at 08:06:08 PM EST

A few days ago, I asked my father (has been a pilot with Delta for the past 20 years, and is now an internationally operating Captain) why cockpit doors are so flimsy. He gave the same answer you did: They're designed so that they can be kicked out if necessary. In fact, they're designed to collapse under a kick.

So, I thought about it, and I still don't see why they don't make cockpit doors more like the doors on a bank vault. The lock to this door could be an electric solenoid that remains secure as long as power flows to it. In the event of electrical loss of power to the solenoid, the lock is released.
In the event of an emergency such as depressurization, the power to the solenoid could be cut automatically (or vents on the door could open, allowing the pressure to equalize). The lock could also be killed by means of the pilot hitting a switch that disconnects the solenoid. Failing that, he could rip the fuse or circuit breaker out of the panel, breaking the circuit's continuity, and allowing the lock to disengage.

This would prevent a terrorist from just waltzing into the cockpit, and I can't see any "safety" issues with a lock that requires electrical power to be engaged. But unfortunately, it does nothing to prevent a hijacker from taking hostages and using the intercom to make his demands to the pilot: "We will begin executing one passenger a minute until you open that door."

Does anyone recall the Star Trek episode "Space Seed", where we are introduced to Khan? In this episode, we find out that the Enterprise is equipped with devices that, upon command, release some type of knockout gas into the atmosphere, rendering everybody unconcious.
I don't see why there couldn't be a similar system on board aircraft. If a hijacker starts making demands to get into the (newly secured) cockpit by threatening to kill passengers, the pilot smacks a button that floods the passenger compartment with some sort of gas (I have no idea what the technical names for knockout gases are).

I don't see any way a terrorist or hijacker (not all hijackers are terrorists, remember) could get a gas mask on board an aircraft.

On the other hand, they might find a way to circumvent even this system. What about arming the pilots? No, I'm not talking about guns per se, but how about Tasers? Stun guns? Guns that fire rubber bullets?

So - the hijacker has no access to the cockpit, can't really take hostages, and if all else fails, faces an angry crew of airline pilots armed to the teeth.

Thoughts?
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Secured cockpit (4.66 / 3) (#51)
by I Robot on Sun Oct 07, 2001 at 01:48:52 AM EST

I have spent too many years as a machinist to buy into some of the "it can't be done" claims in this thread. It is a simple matter to engineer a mechanical pressure latch that would allow the plane pressure to remain stable within a very narrow range, no matter which side of the bulkhead the pressure was on. Moreover, as was previously mentioned, the pilots get the same air as everyone else. I think the pressurization matter can be solved well away from prying fingers.

Lock that bulkhead.

Allow the pilots to inject CO2 into the passenger cabin whilst dropping down oxygen masks. Terrorists can't breathe CO2 either and it isn't flammable. They would either have to put a mask on or take a nap. Combine the CO2 with a steep dive (keeping them away from the masks for a minute or two) and I think their big adventure is over. Terrorism is a tough job with only one lungfull of air to work with.

20/20 was right. More needs to be done regarding background employment checks and security training.The guys doing the screening don't know what they are looking for.The service personell aren't adequately scrutinized and existing security policies regarding badges and secured area access aren't being enforced very well. Possibly we need to look into paying a little more in wages to get people with a few more brain cells ... I dunno. A fresh ticket tax of a couple bucks per trip to pay for additional security seems reasonable. It can't be any worse than having to pay a hotel tax coming back into my home town (Detroit) of $24.

There really isn't much you can do about a renegade pilot. Or dentist. Or doctor. You just have to trust that they have family too and that they want to see them again as badly as you want to see your own family again. Only once, that I know of, has that been a losing bet in an airliner.

I used to work for the railroad and think pilots are probably a lot like railroad conductors ... they are family men who do a dangerous job extremely well. All they want is their paycheck and a chance to spend it.



"Knock-out Gas" and You - Fun Facts! (4.50 / 2) (#52)
by MightyTribble on Sun Oct 07, 2001 at 02:22:21 AM EST

There's been a lot of talk about equipping planes with sleeping gas. Guess folks have been watching too much Star Trek (TOS ep. 'Space Seed' - the one with Kahn in).

Dream on, folks. Sleeping gas don't work like that. ;-)

[Background : my SO is a doctor. So are many of my friends. We've talked about this. They laughed. A lot.]

Anesthetics work by depressing your central nervous system. If you take too much, your nervous system gets too depressed and shuts down. Then you die.

In any uncontrolled environment (say, an airline cabin with 100 passengers of different ages, weights and physiologies) for any given dosage of anesthetic administered (be it thru the vents, in the food, sprayed on the peanuts, whatever) some people will be unaffected. Some people will get drowsy. Some people will be knocked out. And some people will die. There is NO anesthetic that will knock you out but won't let you die if it keeps being administered. Drugs just don't work like that. That's why, in the medical world, you get the personal attention of an anesthesiologist to put you under, keep you under, and bring you out.

So I'm afraid knockout gas isn't the solution. Depresssurising the passenger compartment would be preferable, but that still runs the risk of killing passengers (those with heart conditions, for example).

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